Why do people go to the carribean when they can do D.O?

[ronmillsey]

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Hi guys,
I know not a lot of people are good enough to get into MD Schools in the States.. so they decide to fly all the way to the carribean and study there... but why not just do DO? I heard getting into DO is as easy or maybe even easier than getting into the Carribean. Why not just go to an american DO school instead, rather having to fly all the way to the carribean? Am I missing something here?

 

[HOPFROG]

If a graduate from a DO school decides to practice in a predominantly MD area, they will forever be explaining what exactly is the difference between an MD and a DO. That is not to say that a DO graduate is inferior, but perception is hard to fight. Also, in some areas it may be easier to get a residency with an MD irrespective of whether it is obtained out of the country or not.

 

[time md]

R&R on Caribbean beaches or staying here? Its a no brainer.

 

[xanthomondo]

Hi guys,
I know not a lot of people are good enough to get into MD Schools in the States.. so they decide to fly all the way to the carribean and study there... but why not just do DO? I heard getting into DO is as easy or maybe even easier than getting into the Carribean. Why not just go to an american DO school instead, rather having to fly all the way to the carribean? Am I missing something here?

If a graduate from a DO school decides to practice in a predominantly MD area, they will forever be explaining what exactly is the difference between an MD and a DO. That is not to say that a DO graduate is inferior, but perception is hard to fight. Also, in some areas it may be easier to get a residency with an MD irrespective of whether it is obtained out of the country or not.

Double troll fail 👎

 

[JonathanMD]

Hi guys,
I know not a lot of people are good enough to get into MD Schools in the States.. so they decide to fly all the way to the carribean and study there... but why not just do DO? I heard getting into DO is as easy or maybe even easier than getting into the Carribean. Why not just go to an american DO school instead, rather having to fly all the way to the carribean? Am I missing something here?

Carribean schools actually have lower requirements than DO.

Most students would go for a DO if they could.

 

[redsquareblack]

I'd have no problem with D.O., except for the whole OMM part. That's just woo.

 

[BlueElmo]

Probably because they want a MD degree.

 

[whatuthinkin]

Just woo?

I'd have no problem with D.O., except for the whole OMM part. That's just woo.

 

[n618ft]

Because Caribbean schools are easier to get into than DO schools. DO schools have MD+++ standards when it comes to acceptance but there just aren't as many schools and recognition... therefore less applicants and less high-stat applicants. Have you seen the Caribbean board pass rates... abysmal. Those students are no longer in pursuit of a medical degree for the sake of medicine - they just want those 2 letters by their name at all costs. Despicable. Not to mention most of those schools are FOR PROFIT.

And redsquareblack, OMM? Get off your high horse. You're ignorant. How much OMM have you observed? Do your research buddy, there's plenty of MD schools offering OMM as an elective and it's a proven technique that both MD's and DO's respect... but not ignorant know-it-all premeds for some reason have NO clue what it is.

Ignorant trolls like some of you guys on here is why there's such a misconception of DOs. DO = MD and some of the best primary care schools in the US are DO. PCOM, LECOM to name a couple can run circles around most MD schools... not to mention places like LECOM-B had years with 100% pass rates on their boards. Compare that to any Caribbean school.

 

[JonathanMD]

Because Caribbean schools are easier to get into than DO schools... Those students are no longer in pursuit of a medical degree for the sake of medicine - they just want those 2 letters by their name at all costs. Despicable.

You're ignorant... ignorant know-it-all premeds for some reason have NO clue what it is.

Ignorant trolls like some of you guys on here is why there's such a misconception...

Please, look yourself in the mirror.

You point about pass rates is true. Your point about motivation is assumption passed off as knowledge--almost the definition of ignorance.

 

[jiayo]

Because Caribbean schools are easier to get into than DO schools. DO schools have MD+++ standards when it comes to acceptance but there just aren't as many schools and recognition... therefore less applicants and less high-stat applicants. Have you seen the Caribbean board pass rates... abysmal. Those students are no longer in pursuit of a medical degree for the sake of medicine - they just want those 2 letters by their name at all costs. Despicable. Not to mention most of those schools are FOR PROFIT.

And redsquareblack, OMM? Get off your high horse. You're ignorant. How much OMM have you observed? Do your research buddy, there's plenty of MD schools offering OMM as an elective and it's a proven technique that both MD's and DO's respect... but not ignorant know-it-all premeds for some reason have NO clue what it is.

Ignorant trolls like some of you guys on here is why there's such a misconception of DOs. DO = MD and some of the best primary care schools in the US are DO. PCOM, LECOM to name a couple can run circles around most MD schools... not to mention places like LECOM-B had years with 100% pass rates on their boards. Compare that to any Caribbean school.

That seems a bit harsh...I know lots of successful doctors who graduated from Caribbean schools who really did want to practice medicine, not just to be able to put MD after their name like you said. There's different reasons for entering Caribbean schools, but few that are as extreme as the reason you put.

On a side note...I love your signature.

 

[greatnt249]

DO. PCOM, LECOM to name a couple can run circles around most MD schools...

Really now...most schools? They're good schools, but methinks you inflate their qualifications.🙄

 

[whatuthinkin]

Maybe an a priori judgment but come on!!! If you would rather go to the Caribbean and spend way more money trying to get the M.D. instead of the D.O. what does that say?

Anyone who blows off OMM is ignorant. It disgusts me.

Please, look yourself in the mirror.

You point about pass rates is true. Your point about motivation is assumption passed off as knowledge--almost the definition of ignorance.

 

[schrizto]

I would likely rather travel to another country to get an MD than a DO. It's just my personal preference. Doesn't mean I'm ignorant or anything.

If you would rather go to the Caribbean and spend way more money trying to get the M.D. instead of the D.O. what does that say?

Do you have proof that it's much costlier to get an MD in the Caribbean than a DO in the US?

 

[whatuthinkin]

Mind if I ask why? Just out of curiosity.

I would likely rather travel to another country to get an MD than a DO. It's just my personal preference. Doesn't mean I'm ignorant or anything.

 

[Lokhtar]

Some people just want two letters after their name. DOs overall would give you more opportunities to practice what you want, but some people would rather take the higher risk route.

In my case, if I had to choose, I would chose DO over Caribbean, with OMM as the only thing that would give me pause. Other than that, I'm sure I'd get a really good education at a DO school, and I wouldn't have to worry about the attrition and other issues of going overseas.

And redsquareblack, OMM? Get off your high horse. You're ignorant. How much OMM have you observed? Do your research buddy, there's plenty of MD schools offering OMM as an elective and it's a proven technique that both MD's and DO's respect... but not ignorant know-it-all premeds for some reason have NO clue what it is.

Actually, I've done research. Cranial is pure, unadulterated quackery. It's practiced by quacks, and it is a disgrace that any legitimate school in the country is spending one second teaching it.

Some other parts of OMM has been shown to be beneficial for in a limited scope (back problems, pain relief).

 

[schrizto]

Mind if I ask why? Just out of curiosity.

I don't have any interest in OMM. I'm not saying it's not effective or anything, because I still have respect for those who practice it. And there is also the very real stigma. After you practice for many years with an MD, people stop asking where you went for medical school.

I think people in this thread are getting too defensive about DO.

 

[redsquareblack]

And redsquareblack, OMM? Get off your high horse. You're ignorant. How much OMM have you observed? Do your research buddy, there's plenty of MD schools offering OMM as an elective and it's a proven technique that both MD's and DO's respect... but not ignorant know-it-all premeds for some reason have NO clue what it is.

Did it ever occur to you that sometimes, people disagree with you because you're wrong, not because they're ignorant. Of course I know what OMM is; why do you think I mentioned that specifically? It's woo, plain and simple. The fact that OMM is offered as an elective is not evidence that it works; it's evidence that it's popular, nothing more.

As for proven: That word you're using; I do not think it means what you think it means.

But please, by all means, if it makes you feel better to call me ignorant, then go ahead.

Ignorant trolls like some of you guys on here is why there's such a misconception of DOs. DO = MD and some of the best primary care schools in the US are DO. PCOM, LECOM to name a couple can run circles around most MD schools... not to mention places like LECOM-B had years with 100% pass rates on their boards. Compare that to any Caribbean school.

There you go again, labeling people with whom you disagree trolls. I will concede the point that DO schools tend to produce some pretty damn good clinicians, in my experience (one of the best ER docs at my local hospital was a DO). Circles around most schools...? I'd have to look at some objective measure here, 'cause that just sounds downright dubious to me.

Ignorant... Heh. Whatever floats your boat.

 

[BlueElmo]

Why do these threads always degenerate into flame wars?

 

[JonathanMD]

Maybe an a priori judgment but come on!!! If you would rather go to the Caribbean and spend way more money trying to get the M.D. instead of the D.O. what does that say?

Anyone who blows off OMM is ignorant. It disgusts me.

As I said in my earlier post, Caribbean MD programs actually have lower requirements than DO. Most students would go the DO route if they were to be accepted. Many students have actually applied, were rejected, waited a year, and eventually applied off-shore.

Statistically speaking, many off-shore students will never make it. You could make the argument that many of them should never have been in medical school in the first place because GPA and MCAT requirements exist for a reason. On the other hand, many off-shore students do make it. You could make the argument that many of them will become excellent physicians, despite prior academic problems.

I'm not assuming this. I've worked with dozens of doctors, one of them in particular that was a Ross graduate. And he was one of the best doctors I've ever met. You could say that he's the exception to the rule. I'd add on to that and say, he among others are the exception to the rule. As for the other Caribbean students who never graduate, they aren't part of that exception and they failed out for a reason. But without the opportunity, these exceptions would never have had the chance.


(I'm not blowing off OMM. I've never mentioned it in any of my posts here.)

And it's not about choosing Caribbean MD over DO. If I had the choice, I'd definitely take DO over Caribbean MD. But sometimes you don't have a choice.

 

[anxiousteen]

i think people choose caribbean over DO because they are not well-informed. DO is clearly better than caribbean

i personally would choose a school in australia instead because DO and caribbean have reputations of being back up schools for people who can't get into US allopathic.

 

[Lokhtar]

Anyone who blows off OMM is ignorant. It disgusts me.

Which part? Why?

I frankly don't want to be treated by any person who puts the slightest stock in cranial...

 

[MSUSpartan642]

Some people on SDN place far to much stock into the letters that follow your name once your done with medical school. There are many people that will graduate from both MD and DO schools and make fantastic doctors. OMM is just a little part of the DO curriculum. If someone finds it a little 😴 then thats fine. You don't have to practice it. I personally like it and have seen DO's implement it into their practice and it works wonders for the patients. They like it, it makes them feel better. Ultimately isn't that what we are all wanting to do, "help people"?

I hope that this whole MD vs DO thing is not an issue later on in my own life. It seems oh so petty, if you are knowledgeable as a PHYSICIAN that is all that should matter.

 

[Lokhtar]

OMM is just a little part of the DO curriculum. If someone finds it a little 😴 then thats fine. You don't have to practice it. I personally like it and have seen DO's implement it into their practice and it works wonders for the patients. They like it, it makes them feel better. Ultimately isn't that what we are all wanting to do, "help people"?

Depends what it is for. I do have a big issue with being taught pseudoscience. I don't want to learn creationism in science class, and I don't want to learn cranial in medical school. It's very fair enough that I don't have to pay attention, but why is it taught as a legitimate treatment modality?

 

[MSUSpartan642]

Depends what it is for. I do have a big issue with being taught pseudoscience. I don't want to learn creationism in science class, and I don't want to learn cranial in medical school. It's very fair enough that I don't have to pay attention, but why is it taught as a legitimate treatment modality?

Obviously a DO school would not a good fit for you. If it is not a technique that you are interested in learning I cannot/will not be able to change opinion. My point is that I hope these views that many premeds bring with themselves into medical school do not cause resentment of peers in the work place. Having an open mind and accepting that other people may find something other than what is being preached often rubs premeds and physicians wrong because we believe we are so well educated.

OMM is a small portion of the DO curriculum and I'm sure you will find some material in the MD school that you attend to be equal amounts hogwash.

 

[F4 Phantom]

the carribean isnt as bad as people make it sound, St. georges is a pretty good school from what ive heard from actual doctors...

 

[Lokhtar]

Obviously a DO school would not a good fit for you. If it is not a technique that you are interested in learning I cannot/will not be able to change opinion.

It's very easy to change my opinion. Prove cranial works - show me some legitimate studies.

My point is that I hope these views that many premeds bring with themselves into medical school do not cause resentment of peers in the work place. Having an open mind and accepting that other people may find something other than what is being preached often rubs premeds and physicians wrong because we believe we are so well educated.

Open mind = being open to evidence. Open Mind != Being so open your brain falls out.

OMM is a small portion of the DO curriculum and I'm sure you will find some material in the MD school that you attend to be equal amounts hogwash.

And I'd be equally against that. Could you give me an example though? Because I'm looking at the topics for USMLE and I don't see anything here.

And small or large is really semantics. I don't care if it's a paragraph on the final chapter of your book - like that little statement peddling creationism in science class. If it's not science, it has no place in science.

Perhaps you can dismiss alchemy in chemistry class or astrology in astronomy class, as long as 'it's a small part', but I think it would be a big issue.


Of course, I would easily take it over Caribbean, but I do have an ethical issue with some of the curriculum.

 

[BlueElmo]

the carribean isnt as bad as people make it sound, St. georges is a pretty good school from what ive heard from actual doctors...

Really? I heard the exact opposite.

 

[MSUSpartan642]

Sorry but I'm unfamiliar with the term cranial for one? Synonymous for OMM maybe?

Anyway. Here is an article that I believe shows that OMM does have a use.

http://www.jaoa.org/cgi/content/full/105/suppl_4/S29#FIG2

Obviously you will not use OMM for everything but you cannot deny that OMM and other manipulation techniques have been proven to help with cervicogenic headaches and musculoskeletal problems.

Back to the OP. I have a friend that is VERY smart who went to a Caribbean school. I think that whatever is a good fit for you will be best. If that is Caribbean, DO, or MD so be it.

 

[F4 Phantom]

Back to the OP. I have a friend that is VERY smart who went to a Caribbean school. I think that whatever is a good fit for you will be best. If that is Caribbean, DO, or MD so be it.

👍 cant be hatin on peoples dreams

 

[n618ft]

Really now...most schools? They're good schools, but methinks you inflate their qualifications.🙄

Look up the USMLE scores of LECOM-B for example... they're here somewhere I don't remember where but you'll be when you see them.

 

[MaryLennox]

I don't have any interest in OMM. I'm not saying it's not effective or anything, because I still have respect for those who practice it. And there is also the very real stigma. After you practice for many years with an MD, people stop asking where you went for medical school.

I think people in this thread are getting too defensive about DO.

Exactly. I am not applying DO because I don't have interest in OMM. I'm also not particularly interested in research, so I am not applying to Harvard or Yale either. (not that I could get in anyway, but even if my GPA was higher I still wouldn't apply to research heavy schools.) That's all it really comes down to for most people. I respect DO and have no problem with it.

And I don't think that people who choose the Carib can be lumped into one category. Sure, I know kids whose parents are paying for the MD and they don't care so much so they just go to Carib because they think it's easier. But I also recently met a Carib graduate who is practicing here now and he went there because he was nontraditional and had a hard time getting into US schools. He is doing really well now. I think it is what you put into it. If you are very serious about becoming a doctor and put in the effort at a Carib school, and do well on step exams it will be ok. It's harder, but not impossible.

Also correct me if I am wrong but I dont think these schools are exactly like luxury resorts. I heard that some of them are in pretty crappy areas.

 

[Lokhtar]

Sorry but I'm unfamiliar with the term cranial for one? Synonymous for OMM maybe?

Cranial Osteopathy

 

[Lokhtar]

even if my GPA was higher I still wouldn't apply to research heavy schools.)

As an aside, University of Chicago is pretty darn research heavy. Just as much as the other schools you mentioned. 🙂

 

[MSUSpartan642]

Cranial Osteopathy

Osteopathy is not to be confused with the historically related but now distinct field, osteopathic medicine in the United States.[1]

 

[MaryLennox]

As an aside, University of Chicago is pretty darn research heavy. Just as much as the other schools you mentioned. 🙂

Yeah i know, i think thats why i got rejected, not convincing enough 🙂 actually the main reason i applied there was because a) it's local and b)they just got a HUGE donation to the school so they are helping out their students with mucho financial aid. also they claim to be interested in helping out the underserved communities of chicago, which is what i am interested in and wrote about in my essay. but- rejected!

i might have applied to CCOM for the same reason (it's local) if not for the fact that it would require a separate application service.

 

[Lokhtar]

Osteopathy is not to be confused with the historically related but now distinct field, osteopathic medicine in the United States.[1]

I never claimed otherwise, but cranial osteopathic techniques are tested on the COMLEX, and so they are taught in osteopathic schools.

 

[EBKame]

I went to an allopathic school outside of the US. I have M.D. behind my name now and am practicing at an Ivy League residency program that does not accept D.O. candidates. I loved my time outside of the US, I had no overnight call, and I got to learn about innovative low budget solutions to medical problems. I don't regret it. To read more on my blog empudate.blogspot.com

 

[Longshanks]

Hi guys,
I know not a lot of people are good enough to get into MD Schools in the States.. so they decide to fly all the way to the carribean and study there... but why not just do DO? I heard getting into DO is as easy or maybe even easier than getting into the Carribean. Why not just go to an american DO school instead, rather having to fly all the way to the carribean? Am I missing something here?

For the same reason people buy large fancy cars/SUVs, or why they market viagara, or cosmetic surgery: Ego.

Alternatively, ignorance of what osteopathic medicine is or whatever prejudices people have developed over time.

 

[schrizto]

I went to an allopathic school outside of the US. I have M.D. behind my name now and am practicing at an Ivy League residency program that does not accept D.O. candidates. I loved my time outside of the US, I had no overnight call, and I got to learn about innovative low budget solutions to medical problems. I don't regret it. To read more on my blog empudate.blogspot.com

I went and tried checking out your link to your blog and it doesn't work.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Because Caribbean schools are easier to get into than DO schools. DO schools have MD+++ standards when it comes to acceptance but there just aren't as many schools and recognition... therefore less applicants and less high-stat applicants. Have you seen the Caribbean board pass rates... abysmal. Those students are no longer in pursuit of a medical degree for the sake of medicine - they just want those 2 letters by their name at all costs. Despicable. Not to mention most of those schools are FOR PROFIT.

And redsquareblack, OMM? Get off your high horse. You're ignorant. How much OMM have you observed? Do your research buddy, there's plenty of MD schools offering OMM as an elective and it's a proven technique that both MD's and DO's respect... but not ignorant know-it-all premeds for some reason have NO clue what it is.

Ignorant trolls like some of you guys on here is why there's such a misconception of DOs. DO = MD and some of the best primary care schools in the US are DO. PCOM, LECOM to name a couple can run circles around most MD schools... not to mention places like LECOM-B had years with 100% pass rates on their boards. Compare that to any Caribbean school.

take a dang chill pill.

 

[womp]

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Huntington Memorial Hospital
Tripler Army Med Ctr-HI

Orthopedic Surgery (14)
U Washington x2
Harbor-UCLA x2
Wake Forest
Vanderbilt
Dartmouth
USC
Mayo Clinic
Case Western
Univ South Carolina
UCSD
U Minnesota
Northwestern U

Emergency Medicine (13)
USCx5
Northwestern U x2
Yale
UC Irvine
Case Western
Univ of Buffalo
Einstein/Jacobi Med Ctr NY
Harvard/Brigham & Women's Hosp

Psychiatry (10)
USC x3
Harbor-UCLA x2
Stanford x2
UCLA
UCSD
Northwestern U

Dermatology (8)
U Colorado
Harvard/MGH
Harbor-UCLA
Brown
U Mich
USC
Mt. Sinai
UCLA

Radiology-Diagnostic (8)
USC x4
Baylor
Cedars-Sinai
Westchester Med Ctr NY
Maricopa Medical Center AZ

Ob/Gyn (8)
USC x2
UCLA x2
U Mich
UC Davis
Kaiser Permanente So Cal Region
Kaiser Permanente Oakland

ENT (7)
USC x4
U Mich
UC Davis
Harvard/Mass Eye and Ear Infirmary

Ophthalmology (5)
USC
U Iowa
Mt. Sinai NY
U Cincinnati
U Washington

Anesthesiology (5)
NYU
U Colorado
UCLA
Stanford
USC

Family Medicine (5)
Ventura County Med Ctr x2
Scripps Mercy Hosp
Kaiser Permanente So Cal Region
Naval Hospital Camp Pendleton

Medicine-Preliminary (4)
Kaiser Permanente So Cal Region
UCSD
Olive View-UCLA
UC Irvine

Neurology (4)
Stanford
UC Irvine
USC
Jackson Memorial-FL

Urology (2)
USC
UC Davis

Neurosurgery (2)
USC
Baylor

Oral & Maxillofacial Surgery (2)
USC x2

Plastic Surgery (1)
U Chicago

Pathology (1)
Cedars-Sinai

Radiation Oncology (1)
USC


The USC match list absolutely crushes PCOM's (the nation's top 1 or 2 DO school). They aren't remotely in the same league. And USC is not a top 25 MD school.

DO is certainly a viable option to becoming a physician, but we don't need to hear shameless hyperboles of DO schools "running circles around most MD schools" either. Reality tells us that's not the case, not even close.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Look up the USMLE scores of LECOM-B for example... they're here somewhere I don't remember where but you'll be when you see them.

i find it ironic that someone who's this ddefensive over DO is that concerned with "numbers."

 

[schrizto]

idk really what you're trying to show by posting the match lists but it looks like USC's match list is stronger based on the number of people matching into highly competitive fields like derm, optho, and plastics compared to none on PCOM's list.

 

[xanthomondo]

Really? Did this really resort to posting match lists?

Why do you idiots fall for these obvious flame-war starting questions?

Don't you notice that the OP hasn't returned to this thread? Give me a break.

 

[redsquareblack]

idk really what you're trying to show by posting the match lists but it looks like USC's match list is stronger based on the number of people matching into highly competitive fields like derm, optho, and plastics compared to none on PCOM's list.

Well, he did mention at the bottom of the post:

The USC match list absolutely crushes PCOM's (top 1 or 2 DO school). They aren't remotely in the same league.

So I'm guessing that's what he's trying to show. 😉

 

[Rogue Synapse]

Obviously a DO school would not a good fit for you. If it is not a technique that you are interested in learning I cannot/will not be able to change opinion. My point is that I hope these views that many premeds bring with themselves into medical school do not cause resentment of peers in the work place. Having an open mind and accepting that other people may find something other than what is being preached often rubs premeds and physicians wrong because we believe we are so well educated.

OMM is a small portion of the DO curriculum and I'm sure you will find some material in the MD school that you attend to be equal amounts hogwash.

The bottom line about OMM or any allopathic treatment is evidence-based medicine. There is some good controlled evidence that OMM is useful for musculoskeletal complaints, although I agree that cranial OMM (using "Cranial Rhythmic Impulse" or CRI) has been thoroughly discredited, but CRI is not really in the mainstream of osteopathic medicine. However, there are many treatments in medicine - both allopathic and osteopathic - that are not based in controlled studies showing efficacy. A lot of the most basic things we do is just "best practice" without good evidence backing it up. You would be shocked at some of the things we routinely do and believe to make a difference when in fact there is no positive evidence, like antibiotics for sinus infections.

 

[tkim]

I went to an allopathic school outside of the US. I have M.D. behind my name now and am practicing at an Ivy League residency program that does not accept D.O. candidates. I loved my time outside of the US, I had no overnight call, and I got to learn about innovative low budget solutions to medical problems. I don't regret it. To read more on my blog empudate.blogspot.com

Uh, you went to Sackler/Tel Aviv. You did *not* go to the Carib. Let's get serious, that's not in the same league as the carib schools, and while island life might be more dangerous than the states, Israel might not be considered all that safe, either. Congrats on Brown not taking any DO's. Must be an incredible place to exclude an entire class of applicants based on two letters. Mazel tov.

 

[RogueUnicorn]

Uh, you went to Sackler/Tel Aviv. You did *not* go to the Carib. Let's get serious, that's not in the same league as the carib schools, and while island life might be more dangerous than the states, Israel might not be considered all that safe, either. Congrats on Brown not taking any DO's. Must be an incredible place to exclude an entire class of applicants based on two letters. Mazel tov.

but DO-only residencies are peaches and cream?

 

[schrizto]

Congrats on Brown not taking any DO's. Must be an incredible place to exclude an entire class of applicants based on two letters. Mazel tov.

Brown is kind of weird IMO. For example, they only accept applicants from their undergrad to their MD/PhD program >_>.

Well, he did mention at the bottom of the post:



So I'm guessing that's what he's trying to show. 😉

Yeah, that part was edited in later, so that makes my post irrelevant now.