Why do preceptors/attendings like to ask percentage questions?

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I've seen it on all of my rotations so far...preceptors and attendings love to ask percentage questions....for example... what percentage of patients experience ________? It always seems like they are obscure statistics that you may read in a textbook or article, but would not remember unless you decided to memorize that single fact specifically. It seems like those questions have no practical applications. I don't understand how we are expected to regurgitate these minuscule details. Very seldom do I get asked high yield or board relevant topics. It's frustrating because I feel that I am unable to express my knowledge. It seems like attendings size you up based on how you answer questions, and with percentage questions you have a 1/100 shot at getting them right...Not a great opportunity to impress an attending.
 
I was told you can pretty much always guess one of the following:

20%
50%
80%

You'll be in the ballpark with one of those figures. Guess well.
 
Because a computer can diagnose something off of text book symptoms. If every person with appendicitis showed up with migrating abdominal pain, fever, Anorexia and Vomiting, positive Obturator/Rovsing's/psoas signs, then no one would ever miss the diagnosis, we wouldn't spend thousands of dollars irradiating people with CT's of the abdomen, surgeons wouldn't accept a 10% false positive rate upon surgical investigation and you could become a board certified physician just by reading a book.

Here's the key, they don't actually expect you to know the answers. Yes, you're being pimped. Get over it. Being pimped isn't about allowing you show off your knowledge or being board relevant. % questions about incidence of symptoms or response to medications is about showing the limitations of text book knowledge.

Demonstrate your knowledge by what you DO. Create good treatment plans, demonstrate that you've shown some thought to the problem and how your choices might affect other issues your patient has. Know how to differentiate the important details from those that absolutely don't matter. Go from being a reporter to an interpretor of patient data.

Lastly, for % questions, it's idiotic to think you're trying to get the number exactly right. Play the game. Your answers should always be either 5%/95% (for something that NEVER happens or ALWAYS happens), 20%/80% (for reasonably uncommon or common items), and 40%/60% (to cover the middle ground). You've gone from 100 choices to SIX, and you're close enough to ANY answer that people will give you the benefit of the doubt (Assuming you don't guess 80% for something that really only happens 5% of the time).

For example, the % of 4 month old infants that sleep through the night is 75%. If you were to guess 80% or 60% and I was the resident you were following in the Peds clinic, you've essentially given the answer I want - that at a 4 month well-child check, it's reasonable to expect the baby to sleep 6 or 7 hours at a time, but if they aren't, no big deal.

Once you get over the mental block that it's okay not to know everything, that it's okay to say "I don't know", you'll feel better and life as an M3/M4/Intern/Resident will be a touch less stressful.
 
For example, the % of 4 month old infants that sleep through the night is 75%. If you were to guess 80% or 60% and I was the resident you were following in the Peds clinic, you've essentially given the answer I want - that at a 4 month well-child check, it's reasonable to expect the baby to sleep 6 or 7 hours at a time, but if they aren't, no big deal.

I think it is nice to be able to say to a parent things like that.
Patients like easy stats and little facts from docs. Sort of a finesse thing.
 
I always equated percentage questions to getting at whether you understand the gestalt of an issue. i.e. is this a very common, common, rare, or exceedingly rare thing? is this a great test, a good test, an average test, or a worthless test? Are the side effects to this medication prevalent enough to make you think twice about prescribing it? etc, etc. Those are the important things to know as they impact your differential diagnosis, workup, and treatment; not the actual numbers.
 
We ask because:

1) they ARE asked on shelf and board exams
2) we want to know if you know how common/rare these things are
3) patients will ask
4) because we can

And yes, the answers are:

1-2%
20-25%
33%
50%
75-80%
95%
 
I've seen it on all of my rotations so far...preceptors and attendings love to ask percentage questions....for example... what percentage of patients experience ________? It always seems like they are obscure statistics that you may read in a textbook or article, but would not remember unless you decided to memorize that single fact specifically. It seems like those questions have no practical applications. I don't understand how we are expected to regurgitate these minuscule details. Very seldom do I get asked high yield or board relevant topics. It's frustrating because I feel that I am unable to express my knowledge. It seems like attendings size you up based on how you answer questions, and with percentage questions you have a 1/100 shot at getting them right...Not a great opportunity to impress an attending.

Man that sucks... Maybe if you're attending KNEW that 66% of statistics are made up anyways. But apparently only 33% of people know that fact.
 
Lastly, for % questions, it's idiotic to think you're trying to get the number exactly right. Play the game. Your answers should always be either 5%/95% (for something that NEVER happens or ALWAYS happens), 20%/80% (for reasonably uncommon or common items), and 40%/60% (to cover the middle ground). You've gone from 100 choices to SIX, and you're close enough to ANY answer that people will give you the benefit of the doubt (Assuming you don't guess 80% for something that really only happens 5% of the time).
About 80% of the time, this works all of the time.
 
Thanks for the good advice in this thread
 
No they're not.

You must have taken board and shelf exams in med school that were very different from the ones we take now.

Board examinations are not taken in medical school.

You are referring to the USMLE or COMLEX which are licensing examinations. These are commonly referred to as "the boards" but only by medical students - it is an incorrect use of the term. Board examinations (administered by the relevant board, not the NBME) and in-service examinations are taken during and after residency. When a resident or attending is referring to the boards, they are not talking about USMLE or COMLEX.

And while your shelf examinations may not have had percentages on them, mine did as I still have my notes that I jotted down afterwards. My examinations were the same ones you take now...but YMMV.
 
Board examinations are not taken in medical school.

You are referring to the USMLE or COMLEX which are licensing examinations. These are commonly referred to as "the boards" but only by medical students - it is an incorrect use of the term. Board examinations (administered by the relevant board, not the NBME) and in-service examinations are taken during and after residency. When a resident or attending is referring to the boards, they are not talking about USMLE or COMLEX.

And while your shelf examinations may not have had percentages on them, mine did as I still have my notes that I jotted down afterwards. My examinations were the same ones you take now...but YMMV.

I've had residents and attendings refer to the Steps as boards (the are, after all, administered by the National BOARD of Medical Examiners). Generally speaking, lots of big national tests are referred to as boards. I've heard the MCAT referred to that way, and people of a certain generation call the SATs the boards too. It's not incorrect, per se, it's just not the specialty boards.
 
No they're not.

You must have taken board and shelf exams in med school that were very different from the ones we take now.

Maybe not directly.... at least I can't recall a question that simply asked for a percentage.

BUT, I had many 2nd/3rd order questions in which it helped to have a general idea of percentages as it relates to whether the disease or a specific etiology among the answer choices was more common than the others. Sometimes you just have to play the odds if the other details don't lead you to a specific answer.
 
Probably because it's most likely you won't know the answer and it is still relevant to medicine - unlike the surgeon I worked with who would constantly ask me who the singer / band was playing on the radio in the OR.
 
Probably because it's most likely you won't know the answer and it is still relevant to medicine - unlike the surgeon I worked with who would constantly ask me who the singer / band was playing on the radio in the OR.

Haha...I know the answer to that one...it's gotta either be lady gaga or katy perry.
 
I've seen it on all of my rotations so far...preceptors and attendings love to ask percentage questions....for example... what percentage of patients experience ________? It always seems like they are obscure statistics that you may read in a textbook or article, but would not remember unless you decided to memorize that single fact specifically. It seems like those questions have no practical applications. I don't understand how we are expected to regurgitate these minuscule details. Very seldom do I get asked high yield or board relevant topics. It's frustrating because I feel that I am unable to express my knowledge. It seems like attendings size you up based on how you answer questions, and with percentage questions you have a 1/100 shot at getting them right...Not a great opportunity to impress an attending.
1. They want to know if you know how common something is. People are more likely to have common diseases than uncommon ones.
2. Occasionally because they know the answer and want to show off.
3. Think about it from a psychological point of view. We are always seeing people with disabling conditions, fatal diseases, etc. If I am a 40-year-old female and I can say that this condition primarily strikes people in their 30's, or it only occurs in 1% of the population, or it is more common in an ethnic group other than my own, then I am, in a way, reassuring myself that I will not get this condition.
 
Haha...I know the answer to that one...it's gotta either be lady gaga or katy perry.
No, he always listened to bands that I never listen to, like Steely Dan or The Who. I can at least recognize some Led Zeppelin and the Beatles, and I know a decent amount of Ozzy and all of Metallica. But Steely Dan? Guess that's why I only got a high pass.
 
Probably because it's most likely you won't know the answer and it is still relevant to medicine - unlike the surgeon I worked with who would constantly ask me who the singer / band was playing on the radio in the OR.

This is actually a quite common phenomenon I've encountered with several surgical attendings. Personally, I never felt "pimped" by it... it's more of a lighthearted way to pass time during the more mundane parts of an operation. Plus it reiterates the attendings superior taste in music 😉
 
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