Why is there a stigma attached to wanting to own "fancy cars" on SDN?

[Kurk]

Many young people have this idea that Medicine is a fast track to riches and luxury, it is not, but you have to thank the media for distorting the image of the medical profession. That being said there was a time when being a physician was very lucrative, I was only a toddler when that was the case, it has not been for a long time.

I'm not one them. You would know this if you read my posts.

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[Mad Jack]

If you don't have the time to raise the kids in their youth and monitor them in their teens it doesn't matter. Parenting is the most important job one will ever have; you'll need to decide whether or not medicine will take that spot.

Meh, my dad worked extremely hard on the road for 25 out of 30 days a month. He was a great father that did everything he could to support us, and really led by example, teaching myself and my sisters the values of hard work and dedication. We loved him no less for not being there- hell, could be said we loved him more because we knew how much he was giving up for us. And we all turned out fine- a doctor, an engineer, and a ?????????? that's still in high school (I have a feeling she'll turn out alright though).

 

[Kurk]

Meh, my dad worked extremely hard on the road for 25 out of 30 days a month. He was a great father that did everything he could to support us, and really led by example, teaching myself and my sisters the values of hard work and dedication. We loved him no less for not being there- hell, could be said we loved him more because we knew how much he was giving up for us. And we all turned out fine- a doctor, an engineer, and a ?????????? that's still in high school (I have a feeling she'll turn out alright though).

I'm glad that you had a father like that who really emphasized the importance of hard-work and discipline. I'm a bit skeptical of how that would work if BOTH parents were working full time, leaving their children to basically be raised by day care and what not. Also with the technology of today (iphones, internet) it has become much easier for children to be influenced by negative outside influences that full-time working parents may not be aware of. It's these children who grow up to be really screwed up from what I've seen.

 

[Kurk]

Definitely not. Personally I can't stand them in any color but black myself

Everything else just looks too tryhard. In black, it looks no worse than a Porsche 911, but will run you about a third to half the cost. And really, cars like this aren't so much about looks as they are performance and being fun to drive- depending on the model, this thing goes 0-60 in 4.4 seconds.

I've had mostly negative experiences with British cars to be honest.

 

[Skydive Fox]

If you don't have the time to raise the kids in their youth and monitor them in their teens it doesn't matter. Parenting is the most important job one will ever have; you'll need to decide whether or not medicine will take that spot.

My siblings and I were raised by doctors and had an incredible childhood, and so did most of the kids I know who grew up with doctor parents. We lived very comfortable lives, went on vacations, and our parents got us in with specialists at the click of a button whenever any of us fell ill. Among those kids are now doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, businessmen, a UN Ambassador, a Goldwater Scholar, etc.

Take a moment to venture outside the sheltered life you're living...

 

[Mad Jack]

I'm glad that you had a father like that who really emphasized the importance of hard-work and discipline. I'm a bit skeptical of how that would work if BOTH parents were working full time, leaving their children to basically be raised by day care and what not. Also with the technology of today (iphones, internet) it has become much easier for children to be influenced by negative outside influences that full-time working parents may not be aware of. It's these children who grow up to be really screwed up from what I've seen.

Meh, I had free reign on the internet from about 11 years old forward, it was fine. And the internet was in many ways a darker place back then.

Simple solution though- get a spouse that doesn't work. Or work alternating shifts so that someone is always with the kids. You can't have everything no matter what career you enter, so choose what you will sacrifice.

 

[Mad Jack]

I've had mostly negative experiences with British cars to be honest.

It's built on a Toyota platform. Extremely reliable and cheap to fix.

 

[Toutie]

I've had mostly negative experiences with British cars to be honest.

You're how old? Just how many British car experiences have you had?

 

[Kurk]

My siblings and I were raised by doctors and had an incredible childhood, and so did most of the kids I know who grew up with doctor parents. We lived very comfortable lives, went on vacations, and our parents got us in with specialists at the click of a button whenever any of us fell ill. Among those kids are now doctors, lawyers, pharmacists, businessmen, a UN Ambassador, a Goldwater Scholar, etc.

Take a moment to venture outside the sheltered life you're living...

If I'm not mistaken, I thought the previous generations of physicians were living a completely different life style with different work hours, income, and resources in general. Like I said, children now-a-days are subjected to the negative influences on the internet which makes the job of the parent more difficult.

 

[Kurk]

You're how old? Just how many British car experiences have you had?

My dad is a used car dealer.

 

[Skydive Fox]

If I'm not mistaken

You're mistaken.

 

[Kurk]

It's built on a Toyota platform. Extremely reliable and cheap to fix.

I'll keep that in mind. I like the look of it but it seems a bit too pricey right now. I'd probably go for a Mazda Miata myself as a fun, sporty car to drive.

 

[mcloaf]

I'm glad that you had a father like that who really emphasized the importance of hard-work and discipline. I'm a bit skeptical of how that would work if BOTH parents were working full time, leaving their children to basically be raised by day care and what not. Also with the technology of today (iphones, internet) it has become much easier for children to be influenced by negative outside influences that full-time working parents may not be aware of. It's these children who grow up to be really screwed up from what I've seen.

You're skeptical that households with two parents working full-time can adequately raise children...? Pretty much everyone I know my age falls in this category and they all turned out fine.

If I'm not mistaken, I thought the previous generations of physicians were living a completely different life style with different work hours, income, and resources in general. Like I said, children now-a-days are subjected to the negative influences on the internet which makes the job of the parent more difficult.

No. Incomes were probably better in most cases but hours were unequivocally worse for most.

 

[Kurk]

Pretty much everyone I know my age falls in this category and they all turned out fine.

And I know many people my age who fall into this category and take part in illicit activities.

I guess this really just associated with the degradation of society in general more so than it is parents working full time. Not something I wish to get into at this time. I would never want my kids to be raised by some stranger at a daycare or a school teacher.

 

[Skydive Fox]

And I know many people my age who fall into this category and take part in illicit activities.

I guess this really just associated with the degradation of society in general more so than it is parents working full time. Not something I wish to get into at this time. I would never want my kids to be raised by some stranger at a daycare or a school teacher.

bruh, correlation does not equal causation.

 

[mcloaf]

And I know many people my age who fall into this category and take part in illicit activities.

I guess this really just associated with the degradation of society in general more so than it is parents working full time. Not something I wish to get into at this time. I would never want my kids to be raised by some stranger at a daycare or a school teacher.

 

[typhoonegator]

And I know many people my age who fall into this category and take part in illicit activities.

I guess this really just associated with the degradation of society in general more so than it is parents working full time. Not something I wish to get into at this time. I would never want my kids to be raised by some stranger at a daycare or a school teacher.

You're unbelievably insulting, and yet you're so wise and insightful. Pardon me while I give my kids up for adoption lest they fall into illicit activities, and before my career at Harvard spirals out of control because I chose to try to have a family (which of course I now see is impossible if I want to do even one of them right).

Now I have no doubt that you deserve a really fancy car. With no stigma attached. You've earned it.

And kudos on leaving the door open to someday having a carefully curated stay-at-home wife. So enlightened and open-minded of you.

 

[Toutie]

My mom used to have a great poster hanging in her office. It said "Hire a teenager while they still know everything!". Seems to fit OP to a tee.

 

[Kurk]

You're unbelievably insulting, and yet you're so wise and insightful. Pardon me while I give my kids up for adoption lest they fall into illicit activities, and before my career at Harvard spirals out of control because I chose to try to have a family (which of course I now see is impossible if I want to do even one of them right).

Now I have no doubt that you deserve a really fancy car. With no stigma attached. You've earned it.

And kudos on leaving the door open to someday having a carefully curated stay-at-home wife. So enlightened and open-minded of you.

I apologize if I insulted you. I'm not saying that one shouldn't have children if they work full time; just that some individuals may have difficulties in trying to pour their hearts and souls into both. My philosophy says that you can only truly master one area by directing all your energy into it. There are probably too many variables that go into determining why certain children from many different socio-economic backgrounds turn out the way they do than I can understand at this period of time.

On a side note, I did say a few posts back that I would NOT want to marry a stay-at-home housewife. I admire strong, independent, self-sufficient, professional women.

Sorry if I'm coming off as an ignoramus.

 

[Mad Jack]

I apologize if I insulted you. I'm not saying that one shouldn't have children if they work full time; just that some individuals may have difficulties in trying to pour their hearts and souls into both. My philosophy says that you can only truly master one area by directing all your energy into it. There are probably too many variables that go into determining why certain children from many different socio-economic backgrounds turn out the way they do than I can understand at this period of time.

On a side note, I did say a few posts back that I would NOT want to marry a stay-at-home housewife. I admire strong, independent, self-sufficient, professional women.

Sorry if I'm coming off as an ignoramus.

Your philosophy is incorrect.

 

[Kurk]

Your philosophy is incorrect.

It is completely subjective.

 

[Ferrous]

Your philosophy is incorrect.

I agree.

Habituation. Its fundamentally why money, cars etc. mean nothing in the grand scheme of life.

I suggest Kurk read Meditations of Marcus Aurelius.

 

[Kurk]

I agree.

Habituation. Its fundamentally why money, cars etc. mean nothing in the grand scheme of life.

I suggest Kurk read Meditations of Marcus Aurelius.

Thanks for the suggestion. I have added it to my list.

I'm not quite sure why my philosophy would be incorrect.
A doctor (hypothetically speaking) who specializes in pathology and ophthalmology will never be able have the same mastery as a doctor who specializes solely in one those areas. This is assuming both individuals put in the same amount of time and possess similar intellects.
Similarly, a person who puts all their energy into their career is going have a better mastery of their profession than someone who has to deal with a family on top of it.

Money means nothing in life? In an ideal utopia sure, but this is the real world. I could argue that having a family is equally meaningless in the grand scheme of life. It is completely arbitrary to say that something is meaningless.

What I value the most in order:
1.) Health - One of the few things money can't buy. Without it you can't do anything.
2.) Education - education teaches you to think independently and objectively; The best way to stimulate the mind; A foundation for meaningful ideas to be formed.
3.) Money/resources - What good is that meaningful idea if you don't have the resources required to implement it?

 

[Mad Jack]

I agree.

Habituation. Its fundamentally why money, cars etc. mean nothing in the grand scheme of life.

I suggest Kurk read Meditations of Marcus Aurelius.

Meditations is fantastic, one of my favorite works of Stoicism. It's an excellent philosophy, got me through a really rough time in my life, but one that is not without its flaws.

 

[Skydive Fox]

Thanks for the suggestion. I have added it to my list.

I'm not quite sure why my philosophy would be incorrect.
A doctor (hypothetically speaking) who specializes in pathology and ophthalmology will never be able have the same mastery as a doctor who specializes solely in one those areas. This is assuming both individuals put in the same amount of time and possess similar intellects.
Similarly, a person who puts all their energy into their career is going have a better mastery of their profession than someone who has to deal with a family on top of it.

Your philosophy is incorrect because it assumes having a family draws away from a person's ability to "master their profession." Having a family doesn't require intense intellectual capacity the way having two specializations would require. In fact, having a family often bolsters a person's motivation to be the best they can at what they do. Does it consume time to have a family? Of course, but most don't see it as wasted time- it's their support system and motivation.

A huge chunk of people who've "mastered their profession," (pioneers in their fields, Nobel Laureates, etc.) have had families...

I would expect someone touting education, intellect, and critical thinking to speak more rationally. You're the perfect example of a "hyper-educated *****."

 

[Ferrous]

Thanks for the suggestion. I have added it to my list.

I'm not quite sure why my philosophy would be incorrect.
A doctor (hypothetically speaking) who specializes in pathology and ophthalmology will never be able have the same mastery as a doctor who specializes solely in one those areas. This is assuming both individuals put in the same amount of time and possess similar intellects.
Similarly, a person who puts all their energy into their career is going have a better mastery of their profession than someone who has to deal with a family on top of it.

Money means nothing in life? In an ideal utopia sure, but this is the real world. I could argue that having a family is equally meaningless in the grand scheme of life. It is completely arbitrary to say that something is meaningless.

Your philosophy is typical of a teenager yet clearly overly thought out. To reference what I stated previously, I was not directing that at you. Its a general statement that no matter what car you have or how much money you make, you will eventually get used to your situation and want more. That feeling of wanting more consumes you and... I should not need to elaborate further. I must admit, I am ignorant to the business world and it is likely that people enjoy earning money just for the sake of earning it. Medicine, however, is not the field to do it.

 

[Kurk]

Your philosophy is incorrect because it assumes having a family draws away from a person's ability to "master their profession." Having a family doesn't require intense intellectual capacity the way having two specializations would require. In fact, having a family often bolsters a person's motivation to be the best they can at what they do. Does it consume time to have a family? Of course, but most don't see it as wasted time- it's their support system and motivation.

A huge chunk of people who've "mastered their profession," (pioneers in their fields, Nobel Laureates, etc.) have had families...

I would expect someone touting education, intellect, and critical thinking to speak more rationally. You're the perfect example of a "hyper-educated *****."

Your argument is flawed in that it expects one's family to remain ideal throughout their career. With a family comes all the accompanying problems. Say your spouse divorces you or a child is harmed; this is going to have a detrimental effect on your health which hinders productiveness at work. Can we expect to go home everyday expecting to see a smiling family looking back at you? Conflicts will arise due to factors out of your control. For every good thing that might come out of a family there will also be something negative. It is ultimately up to the individual to decide whether or not the risk is worth taking. As for me, my primary motivation comes from other things (not cars or anything material).

I will respect your stance; I ask that you respect mine.

 

[Skydive Fox]

Your argument is flawed in that it expects one's family to remain ideal throughout their career. With a family comes all the accompanying problems. Say your spouse divorces you or a child is harmed; this is going to have a detrimental effect on your health which hinders productiveness at work. Can we expect to go home everyday expecting to see a smiling family looking back at you? Conflicts will arise due to factors out of your control. For every good thing that might come out of a family there will also be something negative. It is ultimately up to the individual to decide whether or not the risk is worth taking. As for me, my primary motivation comes from other things (not cars or anything material).

I will respect your stance; I ask that you respect mine.

I did respect your stance (notice how I was one of the first and only person to say it wasn't anyone's business how you chose to spend your own money) up until you started making egregious generalizations and oversimplifications about people and things you have absolutely no experience with or knowledge of.

Notice how I said "most" and "often." I wasn't dealing in absolutes, unlike you. I'm living in the real world and understand family situations can cause quite the stress. I was merely giving examples of how having a family can be beneficial and doesn't necessarily equate to being unable to "master a profession," like you've said. Notice also how you didn't actually respond to the bombshell of illogical thoughts and gross oversimplifications in your stances that everyone has brought up (having doctor parents equaling faulty upbringing of kids, having a family equaling inability to master a profession, etc.). I'm unfollowing this thread now, but feel free to reach out and continue this conversation when you crawl out of the sheltered, single-minded private school mindset and have a more mature, experienced outlook on life.

 

[ConfusedChemist]

If one shouldn't be motivated by material possessions nor out of their altruism, I can't imagine what else it would be. The job function for me is appealing; I would hate a repetitive job. Also, if I were on Facebook (which I wouldn't as I believe all social media is a waste of time) for every successful classmate I saw in business, I would see at least two others who may be smart but are unemployed/holding a low pay job. This goes back to the whole high basement, low ceiling aspect of medicine compared to the incredibly low basement in business.


I'm open to suggestions; specifically careers that are money-rich, time-poor with a stable income above 200k.

So based on that, medicine doesn't fit your requirements AT ALL.

5 years making 40-50K working 80 hours a week? Welcome to medicine. It's called residency. After your 8+ years of school

You're looking for Investment Banking

 

[Kurk]

So based on that, medicine doesn't fit your requirements AT ALL.

5 years making 40-50K working 80 hours a week? Welcome to medicine. It's called residency. After your 8+ years of school

You're looking for Investment Banking

I don't have the people skills required for "investment banking" nor am I going to Harvard so that rules out Goldman Sachs.
5 years of residency? That's not enough. Seven years would be more like it if I was trying to sub-specialize.
Working hard early in life to enjoy the fruits later is how I roll. No other field offers the same level of job security with that kind of income.

 

[Mad Jack]

I don't have the people skills required for "investment banking" nor am I going to Harvard so that rules out Goldman Sachs.
5 years of residency? That's not enough. Seven years would be more like it if I was trying to sub-specialize.
Working hard early in life to enjoy the fruits later is how I roll. No other field offers the same level of job security with that kind of income.

IB is largely about mathematics and research, not so much people skills.

Your argument is flawed in that it expects one's family to remain ideal throughout their career. With a family comes all the accompanying problems. Say your spouse divorces you or a child is harmed; this is going to have a detrimental effect on your health which hinders productiveness at work. Can we expect to go home everyday expecting to see a smiling family looking back at you? Conflicts will arise due to factors out of your control. For every good thing that might come out of a family there will also be something negative. It is ultimately up to the individual to decide whether or not the risk is worth taking. As for me, my primary motivation comes from other things (not cars or anything material).

I will respect your stance; I ask that you respect mine.

Having lived a good long while, nearly twice as long as you, with friends that have lived far longer than I from whom I have drawn a great deal of experience, I can assure you that many of your fears are unfounded. You need to chill and stop being so afraid of living- clearly, you're so far focused on the future that you're very likely to miss what the present is offering you. Such an unbalanced mentality is quite unhealthy, and very liable to leave you with a lifetime of regrets.

 

[ConfusedChemist]

I don't have the people skills required for "investment banking" nor am I going to Harvard so that rules out Goldman Sachs.
5 years of residency? That's not enough. Seven years would be more like it if I was trying to sub-specialize.
Working hard early in life to enjoy the fruits later is how I roll. No other field offers the same level of job security with that kind of income.

That's medicine that requires people skills, not IB

IB, you get results=you get money and promotions. Medicine? I think you're forgetting about the main focus of medicine. Your patients. Who happen to be people.

 

[jerfer]

My favorite part is that the free market does not care for the reasons one might pursue medicine.

lolz. the adcom of the schools you'll be applying to certainly will. please don't apply, you're going to be miserable and also going to make a terrible doctor

 

[ConfusedChemist]

Your argument is flawed in that it expects one's family to remain ideal throughout their career. With a family comes all the accompanying problems. Say your spouse divorces you or a child is harmed; this is going to have a detrimental effect on your health which hinders productiveness at work. Can we expect to go home everyday expecting to see a smiling family looking back at you? Conflicts will arise due to factors out of your control. For every good thing that might come out of a family there will also be something negative. It is ultimately up to the individual to decide whether or not the risk is worth taking. As for me, my primary motivation comes from other things (not cars or anything material).

I will respect your stance; I ask that you respect mine.

So just money and prestige? Same deal

 

[Kurk]

IB is largely about mathematics and research, not so much people skills.

Having lived a good long while, nearly twice as long as you, with friends that have lived far longer than I from whom I have drawn a great deal of experience, I can assure you that many of your fears are unfounded. You need to chill and stop being so afraid of living- clearly, you're so far focused on the future that you're very likely to miss what the present is offering you. Such an unbalanced mentality is quite unhealthy, and very liable to leave you with a lifetime of regrets.

Cute video, but to no effect. I watched the movie Click with Adam Sandler too and I had the biggest smirk on my face the entire time. Isn't it tempting to join the hippies and let it all go. It'd probably be satisfying for a few days but then I'd get back on my feet after I experience how unfulfilling it is. Overall, I didn't really want the thread to get this personal; it has already deviated from it's original path quite a bit.

 

[Kurk]

So just money and prestige? Same deal

Nope. Nothing I can really explain.

 

[Kurk]

lolz. the adcom of the schools you'll be applying to certainly will. please don't apply, you're going to be miserable and also going to make a terrible doctor

You can't just fake your way through interviews? I do it all the time very effectively—kind of like Ted Cruz.

 

[ConfusedChemist]

You can't just fake your way through interviews? I do it all the time very effectively—kind of like Ted Cruz.

Then you have all the people skills you need for Banking.

 

[Toutie]

And you're wondering what to talk to patients about while wheeling them around the hospital? Seems to me you have

You can't just fake your way through interviews? I do it all the time very effectively—kind of like Ted Cruz.

Then why can't you just fake your way through talking with the patients you'll wheel around the hospital while volunteering?

 

[Kurk]

And you're wondering what to talk to patients about while wheeling them around the hospital? Seems to me you have

Then why can't you just fake your way through talking with the patients you'll wheel around the hospital while volunteering?

Because that requires you to be emotional.

 

[Mad Jack]

Because that requires you to be emotional.

lol...

 

[da8s0859q]

Mods, can we lock this abortion of a thread yet?

 

[ConfusedChemist]

Because that requires you to be emotional.

Seriously. Do the poor people of whatever state you want to work in a favor and don't be the person they rely on during the most diffiuclt, emotional time of their life

 

[Kurk]

Mods, can we lock this abortion of a thread yet?

I second that. We've deviated from the original topic to an unbelievable degree.

 

[deleted274002]

Again, OP is a junior in high school. I suggest you all take his/her declarations and opinions about life, family, and medicine the same way I have with his/her politics: with a HUGE grain of salt.

 

[Ferrous]

I second that. We've deviated from the original topic to an unbelievable degree.

Hey man, we are all just opposed to your naïveté.

Oh yeah and you also seem to be very close minded about IB or rather business in general.

 

[Kurk]

Hey man, we are all just opposed to your naïveté.

Oh yeah and you also seem to be very close minded about IB or rather business in general.

I'm not the person to take risks. That's all what business is. My parents have invested too much time and money into me to gamble it away on business. I know a guy in his 40s with a MENSA level IQ who went into business; he's making less than what a medical resident makes. Nothing is certain. I have a business orientated mind, but I would like to apply it to medicine.

 

[deleted688154]

OP if you're looking for high job security and income, have you thought about going into Data Science?

 

[Ferrous]

I'm not the person to take risks. That's all what business is. My parents have invested too much time and money into me to gamble it away on business. I know a guy in his 40s with a MENSA level IQ who went into business; he's making less than what a medical resident makes. Nothing is certain. I have a business orientated mind, but I would like to apply it to medicine.

1. Medicine is risky in several respects.
2. IQ is not correlative to success in business and anecdotal evidence shouldn't guide you.
3. Playing it "safe" in life will get you nowhere anyways.

Your post has been invalidated.

 

[jerfer]

I second that. We've deviated from the original topic to an unbelievable degree.

indeed. but mostly because you've been writing arrogant, uninformed, and tasteless responses to users who actually CARE about helping other human beings via medicine. seriously, take your "talents" to another field and who celebrates your shallow motives.