Why so many IMG’s at Eisenhower?

[nn0401]

6/10 EM spots for Eisenhower Health filled by IMG’s.
1/10 US MD.
3/10 DO.

(Sorry if this is the wrong forum to post this on. Please direct me to a better place if there is one.)

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[DrMetal]

6/10 EM spots for Eisenhower Health filled by IMG’s.
1/10 US MD.
3/10 DO.

(Sorry if this is the wrong forum to post this on. Please direct me to a better place if there is one.)

Uhhh . . .maybe b/c Americans don't want to be doctors any more. Amongst my high-school aged kids, their friends and social networks (some kids now in early college), say maybe a N=500 total . . . not one of them is interested in becoming a physician (4 years of hard pre-med + 4 years of med school + 3-7 years of training = 10-15 years total of your adult life as a student, you finally start making an adult paycheck at 35 yo).

These kids just don't have the patience for it, and they're too smart, would rather do other things and get there faster.

 

[DarkBluMage]

Maybe it’s a terrible program. Also EM hasn’t been looking good for the past few match cycles as well due to issues with job outlook and where the field is going. Lots of unfilled spots in the past few cycles. They’ve been having to fill with mostly IMGs because US grads are steering clear of EM in general.

 

[j4pac]

Uhhh . . .maybe b/c Americans don't want to be doctors any more. Amongst my high-school aged kids, their friends and social networks (some kids now in early college), say maybe a N=500 total . . . not one of them is interested in becoming a physician (4 years of hard pre-med + 4 years of med school + 3-7 years of training = 10-15 years total of your adult life as a student, you finally start making an adult paycheck at 35 yo).

These kids just don't have the patience for it, and they're too smart, would rather do other things and get there faster.

This is just not true. There are just USMD and DO going into more competitive specialties or more competitive programs.

 

[GoSpursGo]

6/10 EM spots for Eisenhower Health filled by IMG’s.
1/10 US MD.
3/10 DO.

(Sorry if this is the wrong forum to post this on. Please direct me to a better place if there is one.)

Because nobody wants EM.

 

[nimbus]

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[DrMetal]

This is just not true. There are just USMD and DO going into more competitive specialties or more competitive programs.

I don't know that it's completely untrue. I mean, we all know there are plenty of American kids applying to medical school (though I hear there's been a decline). I just don't get the vibe that they're all that interested. What's different now too, is that kids have way more access to information, they can better research a career path before they embark on it.

30 years ago, if I had known that I'd study and train for 15 years, only to admit and dispo the same Meth-head night in and night out,

 

[Konigstiger]

I don't know that it's completely untrue. I mean, we all know there are plenty of American kids applying to medical school (though I hear there's been a decline).

According to the AAMC, there has overall been a steady increase in applicants since the 1980s, which adds up because getting into a medical school just gets more and more competitive every year.

I do agree that premeds need to be doing more research before committing their career to medicine, though. It makes no sense that becoming a physician is continually becoming a worse and worse job and yet the competitiveness of medical school admission (and residency placement on top of that) is only increasing. It's completely backwards because premeds still see medicine as a highly prestigious, well-paying job when in reality both of those qualities are on a steady decline.

 

[GoSpursGo]

I don't know that it's completely untrue. I mean, we all know there are plenty of American kids applying to medical school (though I hear there's been a decline). I just don't get the vibe that they're all that interested. What's different now too, is that kids have way more access to information, they can better research a career path before they embark on it.

30 years ago, if I had known that I'd study and train for 15 years, only to admit and dispo the same Meth-head night in and night out,

You're entitled to your opinion. However, it really has absolutely nothing to do with the OP's question, and there are plenty of other threads on SDN where you can pontificate about the state of medical education.

 

[DrMetal]

I do agree that premeds need to be doing more research before committing their career to medicine, though. It makes no sense that becoming a physician is continually becoming a worse and worse job and yet the competitiveness of medical school admission (and residency placement on top of that) is only increasing.

It does seem paradoxical. In the end, it doesn't matter how many we graduate from DO/MD schools, the real bottleneck is residency spots.

You're entitled to your opinion. However, it really has absolutely nothing to do with the OP's question

Insofar as I surmised (right or wrong, is just an opinion) that the dearth of Americans at Eisenhower is maybe a facet of a larger problem, that many American kids aren't choosing medicine as a career profession, I did address the OP's question.

Ok, excuse me if the thread went a little off topic. Of course, that never happens on SDN. [And I'm sorry the Spurs are having the worst season in their history, sorry Wembanyama's a bust.]

 

[GoSpursGo]

Wembanyama's a bust

Instaban

 

[calas]

Eisenhower is fairly unique in my opinion, so may not have appeal to a lot of students. It is in Palm Springs, which in the 50's or whenever, was a place Hollywood used to visit to play golf, and treat as their own country club.

There are still today some older white people who have retired there. A lot of gated communities. Nothing to appeal to younger people.

No homeless, no psych, and very few Spanish-speaking only people.

The hospital looks good on paper, that is has some awards or whatnot, but the range and depth of pathology is insufficent for trainees. I passed through there, and it seemed the most admitted patient-type was an old white person with a cancer detected by their doctor. So they would be admitted to the hospital to expedite their cancer work-up.

There are clinics in urban areas that see greater acuity and pathology. Training programs there are not worth their salt, from what I saw.

 

[Goro]

Eisenhower is fairly unique in my opinion, so may not have appeal to a lot of students. It is in Palm Springs, which in the 50's or whenever, was a place Hollywood used to visit to play golf, and treat as their own country club.

There are still today some older white people who have retired there. A lot of gated communities. Nothing to appeal to younger people.

No homeless, no psych, and very few Spanish-speaking only people.

The hospital looks good on paper, that is has some awards or whatnot, but the range and depth of pathology is insufficent for trainees. I passed through there, and it seemed the most admitted patient-type was an old white person with a cancer detected by their doctor. So they would be admitted to the hospital to expedite their cancer work-up.

There are clinics in urban areas that see greater acuity and pathology. Training programs there are not worth their salt, from what I saw.

Doesn't it get hot enough to melt lead in the summer in Palm Springs?

 

[Angler]

Nothing to appeal to younger people.

Actually, for a couple of weekends in April, it becomes the center of the world for young (and old) music lovers! Just try getting accommodations during that time!

Doesn't it get hot enough to melt lead in the summer in Palm Springs?

I think it was over 120F this summer, but it isn't too bad in April. Still too hot for me.