Will physicians be taxed out the a** if Bernie Sanders is president?

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All politicians are dogs on corporate leashes. They're not acting in interest for the people or even their own ideals, but for the large "donors" who give them money.
It doesn't really matter who's who and what they stand for. They're all the same, really.

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All politicians are dogs on corporate leashes. They're not acting in interest for the people or even their own ideals, but for the large "donors" who give them money.
It doesn't really matter who's who and what they stand for. They're all the same, really.
Sanders has no large donors/super PACs.
 
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Yeah and historically there have been both periods of great corruption but also countermeasures to restrict huge industries. I'd say the war surrounding cigarretes was good evidence that you can eventually beat the $$$!
 
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Yes, free healthcare exists. In Canada, it's paid by the corporate taxes, state owned companies and the like. If you don't agree, well, pay for it yourself. UK, France, Germany, Canada, Sweden, Australia all have free health care program, paid maternity leave, higher minimum wages, low/free tuition universities. America, stop living in 1950! (wait... actually in 1950, our colleges didn't cost a dime! but you know what I meant).

As a country, we should also get over this manufactured paranoia around having a public healthcare system. We are already doing as much with insurance companies as this is no longer "insurance" but "health maintenance" no matter what policy you have. Paying cash for all but the most rudimentary care is impossible for anyone but the wealthy. So we can pay middle men who profit handsomely at several points while limiting our choices for arbitrary cost reasons, or we can modernize the relatively efficient medicare system to handle payments spread out fairly among the entire population. The reduction of the drain on our economy alone would be worth the switch.

Well, next time your house is on fire, don't call the "socialist" fire department, or better yet, put it out yourself, but don't use the socialist sanitation and water department.
If someone set fire on your house on purpose, don't call those "socialist" cops, or go on socialist roads, socialist bridges and socialist train tracks.
If you want to start a business, don't use any "socialist" anti-monopoly laws when a bigger business tries to squash you unfairly.
Forget about "socialist" workplace safety regulations; risks should be the employees' problem, just like in China... the true capitalist utopia.
By all means, don't educate yourself or your children in a socialist school and do not learn the definition of the word "socialist."

I believe you need to look up the word "socialism" and see what its definition really is. Socialist nations appear to be clipping along at a wonderful pace. Don't think so? You need to look at Sweden, France, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Germany, to name a few. Citizens in those countries fare much better than us Americans in terms of quality of life. Has Fox News been telling you boogey stories?
 
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For those supporting Sanders,

If you want big redistribution after falling into 6 figure debt, be my guest.
 
For those supporting Sanders,

If you want big redistribution after falling into 6 figure debt, be my guest.

I'm sure I'll manage to feed myself and my family. It's not that big a deal if I don't get to buy myself a Tesla.
 
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I hope anyone voting for Trump realizes medicine has a **** ton of immigrants (especially from Asia) so good luck explaining away that you are not somehow a bigot.


Lost ass generation I swear...
 
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I hope anyone voting for Trump realizes medicine has a **** ton of immigrants (especially from Asia) so good luck explaining away that you are not somehow a bigot.


Lost ass generation I swear...
East Asian countries (especially Japan) have some of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world. Why don't you go explain to the Japanese how they need to "enrich" their monolithic culture by letting thousands of illiterate peasants flood their country and become dependent on state welfare?
 
East Asian countries (especially Japan) have some of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world. Why don't you go explain to the Japanese how they need to "enrich" their monolithic culture by letting thousands of illiterate peasants flood their country and become dependent on state welfare?
Your posts are always entertaining.
 
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East Asian countries (especially Japan) have some of the most restrictive immigration policies in the world. Why don't you go explain to the Japanese how they need to "enrich" their monolithic culture by letting thousands of illiterate peasants flood their country and become dependent on state welfare?
Oh, because immigrants are illiterate peasants. I get it.
 
Oh, because immigrants are illiterate peasants. I get it.
The controversy is surrounding illegal aliens from Mexico. Is an illegal Mexican going to be splitting the atom any time soon? I think not.
 
The controversy is surrounding illegal aliens from Mexico. Is an illegal Mexican going to be splitting the atom any time soon? I think not.
What's the point of this statement? To imply that Murika split the atom? It was actually Lord Rutherford of Nelson, a British New Zealander.
 
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What's the point of this statement? To imply that Murika split the atom? It was actually Lord Rutherford of Nelson, a British New Zealander.
I'm not anti-immigrant. I simply see no reason to let in armies of individuals who have nothing to produce for society (except menial labour, which our own youth can do.) Ask Florence Nightingale (@efle) back there how he plans to handle all the weak, unproductive members of society (which no one can keep track of) putting massive pressure on the healthcare system in his socialist paradise.
 
I'm not anti-immigrant. I simply see no reason to let in armies of individuals who have nothing to produce for society (except menial labour, which our own youth can do.) Ask Florence Nightingale (@efle) back there how he plans to handle all the weak, unproductive members of society in his socialist-healthcare paradise.
(Undocumented) immigration poses a major issue to both capitalistic and socialist nations, as both rely on tax dollars to provide emergency care etc while not being able to tax them. Unless you're saying you'd like to see poor immigrants that pull up to an ER with with bone sticking out of their leg left to die? No resources spent on someone who doesn't produce resources?
 
Xenophobia (which was apparently there but not cool to talk about) brought up by Trump and picked up by the rest of the GOP is sickening. It will do nothing but agitate millions of Latino AND Asian voters to go and vote against this bigotry.
 
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(Undocumented) immigration poses a major issue to both capitalistic and socialist nations, as both rely on tax dollars to provide emergency care etc while not being able to tax them. Unless you're saying you'd like to see poor immigrants that pull up to an ER with with bone sticking out of their leg left to die? No resources spent on someone who doesn't produce resources?
Yes, it would be the lesser of two evils. One option results in saving one life but leads to societal and moral decay. The other is simply a personal tragedy. We are not children to sacrifice our principles simply because we really, really feel bad.
 
For those supporting Sanders,

If you want big redistribution after falling into 6 figure debt, be my guest.
There would likely have to be either federal loan forgiveness or a grandfather era in which medical school becomes far more affordable (or free!) for ~a decade. Nobody is going to think it's a great idea to make a critical profession financially impossible for everyone overnight
 
(Undocumented) immigration poses a major issue to both capitalistic and socialist nations, as both rely on tax dollars to provide emergency care etc while not being able to tax them. Unless you're saying you'd like to see poor immigrants that pull up to an ER with with bone sticking out of their leg left to die? No resources spent on someone who doesn't produce resources?
And frankly, it is of very little consequence to our society.
 
I'm not anti-immigrant. I simply see no reason to let in armies of individuals who have nothing to produce for society (except menial labour, which our own youth can do.) Ask Florence Nightingale (@efle) back there how he plans to handle all the weak, unproductive members of society (which no one can keep track of) putting massive pressure on the healthcare system in his socialist paradise.


Lets do some critical thinking here. Turns out, our youth and other poor Americans aren't doing said labor allowing for businesses to hire illegals. How about we push businesses to all have E-Verify and take the carrot off the stick? That way they gotta hire American labor.

Oh right... it's American politics aka common sense policies don't work b/c big business and corporations would rather have us talking about anchor babies instead of how the American Dream is essentially a farce now due to the past 30 years of pillaging the middle class.

Again... lost ass generation. Smh.
 
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Yes, it would be the lesser of two evils. One option results in saving one life but leads to societal and moral decay. The other is simply a personal tragedy. We are not children to sacrifice our principles simply because we really, really feel bad.
Do you have evidence of societal and moral decay stemming from all altruistic acts? We long ago passed the point in which society had advanced enough to provide everyone with basic survival needs.

What is your ethical axiology btw? Would you say anyone unable to contribute to society (like the severely mentally disabled, or a child with a terminal illness guarunteed to kill them before they get anywhere near adulthood) should also be left to die if nobody can afford to provide their care?


And frankly, it is of very little consequence to our society.
I grew up in a city very near Mexico. This is just a false statement.
 
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This election is THE epitome of what Obama was talking about a few years ago when he talked about how ignorant Americans will cling to their guns etc....

A significant segment of pale shaded people are scared to death that their monopoly on policy making in this country is eroding away to what they deem "un-American" people aka minorities.

To see people jumping through hoops to deny this is priceless.

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Do you have evidence of societal and moral decay stemming from all altruistic acts? We long ago passed the point in which society had advanced enough to provide everyone with basic survival needs.
If individuals want to give away resources to help those that can't help themselves, they are free to do so, though I think it is a bad idea.
What is your ethical axiology btw?
If I told you, this thread would blow up. I think you're smart enough to know what I mean by that.
Would you say anyone unable to contribute to society (like the severely mentally disabled, or a child with a terminal illness guarunteed to kill them before they get anywhere near adulthood) should also be left to die if nobody can afford to provide their care?
I don't enjoy the suffering of others, but society should not prolong weakness. It stunts our growth as a people.
I grew up in a city very near Mexico. This is just a false statement.
It is only an issue when we allow it to become one by making that individual society's problem. People die every day and you don't hear about it.
 
A significant segment of pale shaded people are scared to death that their monopoly on policy making in this country is eroding away to what they deem "un-American" people aka minorities.
Said "pale-faces" built this country my sinful friend.
 
Said "pale-faces" built this country my sinful friend.

On the backs of black and Irish-American slaves. Luckily, for the Irish.. the term "white" started to become a thing to denigrate black people even further.

Read a history book not located in Texas.
 
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But if individuals want to band together and say all participants in this society must give some to help the needy, they become wrong? Do you see a problem with child labor protection laws?

Everyone is entitled to their "intrinsic value" ideology. Unless you said something like "murdering immigrants is the only act of value in this universe" I think you'll be fine, though perhaps challenged.

Many would say the entire point of progress and growth is to reach ever-diminishing levels of suffering for all mankind. Is value found in the act of growth itself, it is the end not the means?

This is a very old fallacy. The existence of even infinite evil out in the world does not forgive the smallest of immoral actions.
 
Said "pale-faces" built this country my sinful friend.
You don't get his/her point in the slightest. Or perhaps you do and you're persisting in hard headedness.
What's being said is that the majority is scared of loosing the power which it traditionally enjoyed and used to (largely) benefit the majority, to minorities or to minority interests. They would therefore be forced to share more of the pie that they were previously allowed to keep for themselves with impunity.
 
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But if individuals want to band together and say all participants in this society must give some to help the needy, they become wrong? Do you see a problem with child labor protection laws?
No, because said child has not grown into a productive (or unproductive) member of society yet. And in theory, I would not have a problem with altruism if it were kept on a small scale; it never is. The welfare state is inevitable with such a mentality. Which is why I advocate society only "lifting" those who give back to the tribe, even if that "something" is only monetary in nature. We have to allow for the suffering of a few to avoid the greater evil of welfare.
Everyone is entitled to their "intrinsic value" ideology. Unless you said something like "murdering immigrants is the only act of value in this universe" I think you'll be fine, though perhaps challenged.

Many would say the entire point of progress and growth is to reach ever-diminishing levels of suffering for all mankind. Is value found in the act of growth itself, it is the end not the means?
We will reduce our suffering in the long run. Weakness is, frankly, the greatest sin to mankind.
This is a very old fallacy. The existence of even infinite evil out in the world does not forgive the smallest of immoral actions.
You are going to have to explain this one. There are quite a few evils in history that I think were justified, for the betterment of the tribe.
 
You don't get his/her point in the slightest. Or perhaps you do and you're persisting in hard headedness.
What's being said is that the majority is scared of loosing the power which it traditionally enjoyed and used to (largely) benefit the majority, to minorities or to minority interests. They would therefore be forced to share more of the pie that they were previously allowed to keep for themselves with impunity.
The majority benefits the minority too. Move to West Africa or South America if you want to see the conditions of "minorities" in other countries.
 
On the backs of black and Irish-American slaves. Luckily, for the Irish.. the term "white" started to become a thing to denigrate black people even further.

Read a history book not located in Texas.
"And then all the Indians gave their land to President Jackson and gladly moved out to Oklahoma where they all lived happily ever after. God bless America."
 
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The majority benefits the minority too. Move to West Africa or South America if you want to see the conditions of "minorities" in other countries.

Ahhh yes the good ole "if you don't like it then move!" shtick. Sorry some of us would rather make our own country better for our own people than put our heads in the sand going lalalalala over some stupid nostalgic past that never existed.

Check your behind, that's probably our corporate overlords laughing their way to the bank b/c people like you exist allowing them to do w/e.
 
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You don't get his/her point in the slightest. Or perhaps you do and you're persisting in hard headedness.
What's being said is that the majority is scared of loosing the power which it traditionally enjoyed and used to (largely) benefit the majority, to minorities or to minority interests. They would therefore be forced to share more of the pie that they were previously allowed to keep for themselves with impunity.
Well to be fair, it is one of the tiniest minorities of all that would lose a lot, even your typical surgeon comes nowhere near the megawealthy 0.1% that would face the big losses.

No, because said child has not grown into a productive (or unproductive) member of society yet. And in theory, I would not have a problem with altruism if it were kept on a small scale; it never is. The welfare state is inevitable with such a mentality. Which is why I advocate society only "lifting" those who give back to the tribe, even if that "something" is only monetary in nature. We have to allow for the suffering of a few to avoid the greater evil of welfare.

We will reduce our suffering in the long run. Weakness is, frankly, the greatest sin to mankind.

You are going to have to explain this one. There are quite a few evils in history that I think were justified, for the betterment of the tribe.
But you can be certain they never will, and so you have no grounds to ever expend resources on them. It isn't their fault they are weak and useless, but they are. Or do you believe only the bad luck of being born into a wartorn ****hole allows you to condemn people for their weakness, not the bad luck of being born with disease?

And like I already said, we are way past reaching the ability to reduce suffering now. Nobody is going to be held back from splitting the atom by growing up in a comfortable middle class lifestyle, and in fact providing free education at undergrad and grad levels will allow many more people to take up the truly society-progressing work.

I read your point to be "why should we care about evil act X, many more evil acts Y occur every day". That's broken logic, whether something merits action from a moral perspective doesn't depend on how much good or evil exists everywhere else.
 
Ahhh yes the good ole "if you don't like it then move!" shtick. Sorry some of us would rather make our own country better for our own people than put our heads in the sand going lalalalala over some stupid nostalgic past that never existed.
My point was simply that the minority have it pretty damn good here.
 
Well to be fair, it is one of the tiniest minorities of all that would lose a lot, even your typical surgeon comes nowhere near the megawealthy 0.1% that would face the big losses.


But you can be certain they never will, and so you have no grounds to ever expend resources on them. It isn't their fault they are weak and useless, but they are. Or do you believe only the bad luck of being born into a wartorn ****hole allows you to condemn people for their weakness, not the bad luck of being born with disease?

And like I already said, we are way past reaching the ability to reduce suffering now. Nobody is going to be held back from splitting the atom by growing up in a comfortable middle class lifestyle, and in fact providing free education at undergrad and grad levels will allow many more people to take up the truly society-progressing work.

I read your point to be "why should we care about evil act X, many more evil acts Y occur every day". That's broken logic, whether something merits action from a moral perspective doesn't depend on how much good or evil exists everywhere else.
What do you want me to say? That the moral arc of the universe bends towards justice? Individual loses, that is bad. Society loses by helping said individual, that is bad for all of us. Yes, altruism is bad for society (see every welfare state everywhere). I don't believe in being irrational.

More like X creates and reinforces Y. See post-WWI Germany (or even post-WWII Germany) if you want to see what leftism does to a once-great nation.
 
The majority benefits the minority too. Move to West Africa or South America if you want to see the conditions of "minorities" in other countries.
The majority may very well create a rhetoric vilifying the minority in order to consolidate more power for itself and maintain the status quo. Makes sense for its own short term perpetuation (or at least how the in-group might perceive self perpetuation), but it in no way benefits the whole to the greatest possible degree. Take for instance the the top 1% which owns the bulk of the wealth and therefore the bulk of power. We're talking about power majorities here, not literal majorities.

How does alluding to conditions in less developed nations strengthen your position?
 
Weakness is the greatest sin to mankind? LOL NO, that would be being a selfish a-hole leaving the weak out to die. That sort of person doesn't belong in the medical field.
 
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Check your behind, that's probably our corporate overlords laughing their way to the bank b/c people like you exist allowing them to do w/e.
He may very well be from an extremely wealthy family though. Would explain his moral code and how he can feel alright paying for carib med school
 
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Well to be fair, it is one of the tiniest minorities of all that would lose a lot, even your typical surgeon comes nowhere near the megawealthy 0.1% that would face the big losses.

That is why the mega-wealthy are doing everything in their power to create a culture war. It's not the old days anymore where information can be kept secret so chit like how they came up with the DEA, prison complex, CIA etc can be kept in the dark...
 
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He may very well be from an extremely wealthy family though. Would explain his moral code and how he can feel alright paying for carib med school
I'll give you this one. Frankly, if residency doesn't happen (and I am nearly at the top of my class), then I will still be totally fine and in fact already own a few businesses.
 
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How does alluding to conditions in less developed nations strengthen your position?
He's a big fan of flawed argument from comparison


That is why the mega-wealthy are doing everything in their power to create a culture war. It's not the old days anymore where information can be kept secret so chit like how they came up with the DEA, prison complex, CIA etc can be kept in the dark...
Well, I don't know about all that, poor black males aren't exactly a politically active threat that need to be kept down. More a case of misguided power tripping, greed, and misguided power tripping again imo

I'll give you this one. Frankly, if residency doesn't happen (and I am nearly at the top of my class), then I will still be totally fine and in fact already own a few businesses.
I figured.
 
What do you want me to say? That the moral arc of the universe bends towards justice? Individual loses, that is bad. Society loses by helping said individual, that is bad for all of us. Yes, altruism is bad for society (see every welfare state everywhere). I don't believe in being irrational.

More like X creates and reinforces Y. See post-WWI Germany (or even post-WWII Germany) if you want to see what leftism does to a once-great nation.
Naziism was a far right fascist system. Germany is a soundly left wing nation and is the economic and defense powerhouse of Europe.
 
He's a big fan of flawed argument from comparison



Well, I don't know about all that, poor black males aren't exactly a politically active threat that need to be kept down. More a case of misguided power tripping, greed, and misguided power tripping again imo


I figured.
I don't know how you can be so calm talking to this dbag. I find it extremely disturbing that this individual may take care of patients one day.
 
I was referring pre-Nazi post-WWI Germany.

Lol
Soooo, you're making the super profound observation that a country which just lost a ground war and has been invaded and placed under new governance isn't in the best shape economically.


Why the dismissive "lol". Is that a dig at Germany?
 
I don't know how you can be so calm talking to this dbag. I find it extremely disturbing that this individual may take care of patients one day.
Lol if a residency will even touch a Carib grad with a 39.5' pole by then, I guess we'd have something to worry about.
 
I don't know how you can be so calm talking to this dbag. I find it extremely disturbing that this individual may take care of patients one day.
It's not easy to get my jimmies rustled, too much exposure to the internet


Lol if a residency will even touch a Carib grad with a 39.5' pole by then, I guess we'd have something to worry about.
Don't half match?
 
Lol if a residency will even touch a Carib grad with a 39.5' pole by then, I guess we'd have something to worry about.
We are not at this point, yet. A Carib grad with stellar scores may or may not get a residency.
Don't half match?

Half fail out, half of the remaining half land a residency. Assuming he doesn't fail out, he's got
~ 50/50 shot.
 
It's not easy to get my jimmies rustled, too much exposure to the internet



Don't half match?
I'm speaking more to the very sketchy situation they may find themselves in sometime in the near future, presumably around when our buddy here will graduate. I've read some predictions that have chilling implications for Carib kids.
 
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