will they find out?

[Literati81]

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BTW I caught the part about "knowing enough to reword your sentences", that is a problem, but so is the fact that you edited it when you realized what you were saying. 😉

Ahh. You are very clever to notice. Well done.

It is a problem to edit or rephrase your words? I suppose you're not a big fan of erasers either. 😉 I apologize. Next time I will not be so anal to check my grammar nor, as you called it, semantics.

Cheers! 🙂

 

[BONAFIED]

It is a problem to edit or rephrase your words?

No, I do it all the time. It's just funny that in the middle of your declaration of academic honesty you inadvertently disclose that you plagiarize. Then, realizing what you've said, you go back to "edit and rephrase". Don't worry the irony is not lost on me.

I apologize. Next time I will not be so anal to check my grammar nor, as you called it, semantics.

The strange thing about most cheaters is that most of them probably don't think they're cheating. The entrenched self-justification can always boil it down to some benign matter like semantics.

 

[Literati81]

No, I do it all the time. It's just funny that in the middle of your declaration of academic honesty you inadvertently disclose that you plagiarize.

Ahh, always good to see you back.

Bonafied, I would go back and read that post again. And if you're still not convinced, I offer you my sincerest apologies. So to answer your question again--No, I have never knowingly borrowed intellectual property without providing a citation.

But to spare the groans of polite readers, if you would like to continue discussing my supposed "academic dishonesty," please be so kind to send me a private message.

Good luck with the application process.

 

[Al-Qahhar]

I have just found out that the AADSAS counts both grades in retaken classes. This troubles me because I was involved in an automobile accident and subsequently my grades suffered greatly my first semester. (4 classes, 1.75 gpa) Right now I have a 3.23 GPA but if that first semester was eliminated, it would be a 3.6. Even if I kept at the same pace, my GPA would only rise to a 3.35 by the time I send my application in. (I will not keep the same pace because my American University is much more difficult)

I have three questions:
1. Is there any way possible to eliminate those grades or stop them from being calculated in my overall GPA? (Thankfully, those classes don't factor into my BCP or Science gpa)
2. Should I tell the Admissions Committee about my accident or leave it out? (I do not want to appear I am seeking sympathy and besides, will they doubt that it actually happened?)
3. Should I just accept it and hope that my non-academics will carry me through the process?

 

[trypmo]

I have just found out that the AADSAS counts both grades in retaken classes. This troubles me because I was involved in an automobile accident and subsequently my grades suffered greatly my first semester. (4 classes, 1.75 gpa) Right now I have a 3.23 GPA but if that first semester was eliminated, it would be a 3.6. Even if I kept at the same pace, my GPA would only rise to a 3.35 by the time I send my application in. (I will not keep the same pace because my American University is much more difficult)

I have three questions:
1. Is there any way possible to eliminate those grades or stop them from being calculated in my overall GPA? (Thankfully, those classes don't factor into my BCP or Science gpa)
2. Should I tell the Admissions Committee about my accident or leave it out? (I do not want to appear I am seeking sympathy and besides, will they doubt that it actually happened?)
3. Should I just accept it and hope that my non-academics will carry me through the process?

I had a similar situation, actually. What I did was to include the crappy grades, and then under the section labelled something like "do you have any special circumstances," I put down what happened and explained how that resulted in one really abysmal semester. It doesn't make you look like you're trying to get sympathy; in fact, it only came up in one of my interviews, when someone asked whether there were any residual effects that might interfere with my performance as a dental student. There's nothing to worry about; they see this kind of thing regularly. Actually, showing you've been through some hard times will show them your determination to press onward and succeed, which is to your advantage. Also, being able to include anything unusual in your application sets you off from the crowd a bit, and with so many other applicants that's probably a good thing.

Best of luck! 👍

 

[msf41]

Hey I have some questions too....

Is it wrong that I quadrupled my community service hours? I mean will they ever call the homeless shelter and actually check the numbers?

Also I wrote my own letter of recommendation and signed my dentists name to it, oh yeah and I had to "borrow" some of his practice stationary to write it on. I would have just asked him for a LOR, but he didn't like me much and I just have to do what ever it takes to get into dental school right?

Also, I put in my application that I discovered life on mars. I think it will give me a leg up on the competition, and since they probobly wont be able to prove me wrong until I'm already out of dental school, I think it was okay.

Everything above was a joke if you missed it....

Hey for all you guys trying to justify hiding part of your past...you are ROBBING respect for the application process from every guy/gal out there who has really sacraficed to put together a great application. If you have a LEGITIMATE problem that affected you academically than there are plenty of places on the application that you can account for those deficiencies (personal statement, secondary applications, or letters written to ADCOMS directly). Maybe you feel its okay to "hide" or "fudge" the truth to get into dental school, but in my opinion one day you will realize that you didn't deserve what you got in life and your psudo-accomplishments won't mean anything to you.

 

[Thaxil]

There is no way in hell you have worst grades then me. My first semester was 0.5 GPA avg and first year 1.0 GPA. After that first year, I made some changes and improve year by year. That year killed my GPA, but I reported the grades. If you are a strong applicant, it will show in your academic record or DAT, and you will be accepted. In addition, having failed course is a good experience. There are a lot of people who never receive a C in their lives and do not know how to overcome challenges by seeing help and analysis the problems for adaptation. My poor grades were address during my interviews, and explain the situation and how I changed. While the poor grade did not help me, they also did not hurt me because I was able to give the impression that I am resourceful and strong will enough overcome the challenges of D-school.

If you don?t report your grades, I doubt it will be discovered, but I feel it is a unnecessary.

 

[Joon1]

no one has yet answered the big question.... (does anyone really know??)

"how does AADSAS find about ALL the classes you'd taken?" 😕

 

[msf41]

Joon

I attended a community college for 1 semester then transfered to a university. When I transfered to the university I had to give the university registrar copies of my community college transcript. Now those grades from the community college appear on my UNIVERSITY transcript, so even if I tried to be a liar and not submit my community college transcript, AADSAS and the Dent schools would know that I omitted the cc transcript because it would be seen on my university transcript.

CC transcript >> University transcript >> aadsas

Therefore aadsas KNOWS you took the cc classes.

However, I think if you took cc classes, never told your university about that, then put down whatever you wanted on your aadsas, I don't think there is any way that aadsas would ever find out. But then again they do charge us a friggin rediculous amount of money to process our application, so perhaps they do do a nation wide search by your ss# or something.

Long story short...if you NEVER have told ANY other schools about your cc classes I think you are likely okay, but if you submitted a copy of your transcripts from your cc to your new university, than you DEFINATELY better report EVERYTHING because they will see it in your university transcript.

 

[dyarhea]

no one has yet answered the big question.... (does anyone really know??)

"how does AADSAS find about ALL the classes you'd taken?" 😕

from your transcript???
you gotta send them the transcript right?
i didn't really read the prior posts...so lengthy..
how do you cover-up for ANYTHING on your transcript?
how do you explain courses on your transcript that's not listed in your aadsas application? you know, the aadsas dude I called back in may told me that they DO cross-check the application with the transcript...i took his word for it. I mean, in the application they stressed the applicants MUST list the courses in chronological order....what for? i think it's required so it's easier for them to validate the app info.

obviously, honesty had been discussed.
we have this commercial in cali for the super lotto, upside and downside:

a dude climbs up the ladder to screw a light bulb: by stepping on the top most and narrowest ladder, he gains a bit more height to screw the lightbulb that's the upside. the downside is he loses balance, falls, ends up in full body cast....this analogy (did I spell it right?) really doesnt apply to the integrity issue at hand...but just think logically

 

[msf41]

lightbulb what????

 

[vertical bite]

Unfortunatley they will find out whetther you transfer them or not. When you apply on AADSAS you enter EVERY class you ever took at EVERY college, and that gets you your AADSAS gpa, for example in my case I had a lower grade in a 100 level course that I re-took and the grade was replaced for the calcualted gpa from my school, but for AADSAS and on my application the grade was factored in and showed up on the transcript.

WELL DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH

He just wont put them on the application.


AM I the only person that has a brain in these forums ?????

 

[vertical bite]

So are we still talking about 2 classes at a CC that he wants to sweep under the rug or did I miss that he also cannibalizes small children?

Considering the audience, I must say that his question was incredibly stupid. However, I will assume that everyone who is condemning him is beyond reproach on the subject of academic honesty.

I am a post-bac student approaching 160 semester credit hours. The one universal observation I have from my embarassingly extensive undergrad experience is that cheating is rampant. From honor code Jesus-freak universities to party schools, cheating in all its forms is carried out with a nonchalance and pervasiveness, that when taken as a whole, is pretty disgusting.

Maybe you think you're honest Abe because you never used a crip sheet on a test, or you didn't omit an institution on your apps, but have you ever colluded with students from another section to get gouge on a test, quiz, or a lab? Have you ever looked at someone else's test? Have you used assignments from students who previously completed the course? Have you ever faked a source for a paper? Do you know what plagiarism is and have you done it? Have you exaggerated extra-curricular involvement, leadership, or work experience on your resume? Do you fill that TI-86 with stuff you shouldn't?

Before we point the plastic finger we should check ourselves first. I think everyone (myself included) could find a way to be a little more upright, honest, and fair in our school work. Okay this is really folksy, but integrity matters. I think we should all try harder in this department.

Sorry but your post had no value whatsoever.

very bad....

 

[vertical bite]

I know for a fact that the dental schools will find through your social security number what schools youve gone to. If you fail to mention them, they will find out sooner or later and your integrity at that point will come under scrutiny. Trust me on this one I know someone this happened to.

Retake the classes or explain your situation. At this point you'll have to bear the burden of your past and be responsible enough to demonstrate maturity to the ADCOM regarding your situation. There's no hiding it. Unfortunately this is the way things work academically. Once you commit to taking a class and accepting the grade they give you, it's like a bad divorce. The ex screws you. Only in this case your ex is your academic institution taking u to court for half your money.

OMG you are making the ADCOMS sound like detectives. ARE YOU SERIOUS ????

Searching by your ID #???? JEsus, classes dont show up on a credit report.



THERE IS NO WAY IN HECK THIS GUY SHOULD REPORT THESE GRADES TO THE APP SERVICE.

NO ONE WILL EVER FIND OUT.

JESUS, the ADCOMS are professors and dentists not C.S.I.

I am sorry but gettin in dental school is not so important that they do such a background check on you like that.

THINK PEOPLE THINK.

Once again, that is all I can ask.

 

[F*R*I*E*N*D*S]

i took a class from a cc couple of years ago and went to korea for a language program as well. my transcript included both courses as credit and without the gpa.

i would suggest you add in the courses in aadsas regardless of the grade you got b/c there's always the factor of "what if you get caught???" is it really worth it?

 

[vertical bite]

Shame on you and your friends. Start your professional lives by cheating. I f*cking hate these people. I'm sorry if you don't like my voice, but I f*cking hate cheating people.
I hope you hide your secret well. No matter when they find out, your life/career will be over.

I dont like u at all.

 

[angeeeeee]

Thank you luder & DRE! Hey if it was a rough time in your life, that just might be some kind of conversation starter at your interview. Don't lie...cheaters never prosper.

 

[lionelhutz]

ok...... morals and ethics aside....... They just can't find out... there is no way in the world they can find out. Make your own decision about reporting it or not.....

 

[Dentalist]

Honesty is the best policy. 🙂

 

[angeeeeee]

ok...... morals and ethics aside....... They just can't find out... there is no way in the world they can find out. Make your own decision about reporting it or not.....

what if they do find out? there's always a chance...never say never

 

[helix]

Hey guys, I donno if this is an appropriate question for this thread, but thought this would be a good place to ask. I completed my undergraduate degree in Biochemistry, last year and am working with IBM now 😱
I am preparing for DAT and was wondering if I should put my IBM work experience in the AASDAS. I donno what plus point would it have towards dentistry...plus if they ask me in the interview as to why I switched fields and started working in IBM..I don't have a good reason 🙁
So?? What should I do??

 

[DMD_hopeful]

Hey guys, I donno if this is an appropriate question for this thread, but thought this would be a good place to ask. I completed my undergraduate degree in Biochemistry, last year and am working with IBM now 😱
I am preparing for DAT and was wondering if I should put my IBM work experience in the AASDAS. I donno what plus point would it have towards dentistry...plus if they ask me in the interview as to why I switched fields and started working in IBM..I don't have a good reason 🙁
So?? What should I do??

If I remember correctly all work experieice goes on the AADSAS application. I would not hesitate putting down the IBM experience. There are plenty of change of career people on SDN (myself included), so you are not alone.

The best reason why you switched fields is the real reason. Just make sure that reason isn't about money, fast cars or women. 😀

Just be prepared for that question and be able to answer it in a way that shows your enthusiasm for dentistry, ie. your dental experience, your personal statement, etc.

 

[drat]

Hey guys, I donno if this is an appropriate question for this thread, but thought this would be a good place to ask. I completed my undergraduate degree in Biochemistry, last year and am working with IBM now 😱
I am preparing for DAT and was wondering if I should put my IBM work experience in the AASDAS. I donno what plus point would it have towards dentistry...plus if they ask me in the interview as to why I switched fields and started working in IBM..I don't have a good reason 🙁
So?? What should I do??

You will have a plethora of opportunities to include your work experience at IBM on the AADSAS application. I felt like I was saying everything 2x on that application because my work experience was the same my research experience. 😉 If you're doing research at IBM you can include that in the research and work experience questions.

Don't worry -- your schools will know abou IBM. 👍 In many secondary applications, ADCOMs inquires about work experience as well...

EDIT: Definitely include your IBM experience on your application! Fo' sure! Don't even question it. 🙂

 

[wammmy]

im debating on whether or not i should transfer courses from a comm. college where i did quite bad. it was only two classes and im thinking of just retaking them at my school. will dental schools ever find out about those transcripts? they have yet to be transferred.

Just by asking this question you have revealed a lot about who you are. Sure cheat to get in, and once in, do you realy think you'll change? Cheat to get through D school, cheat in your practice, but in the end it will be your patients who suffer.

Just steer clear of me with the narcs and power tools.

 

[wammmy]

I am preparing for DAT and was wondering if I should put my IBM work experience in the AASDAS. I donno what plus point would it have towards dentistry...plus if they ask me in the interview as to why I switched fields and started working in IBM..I don't have a good reason 🙁
So?? What should I do??

I would let them know. For one it wont hurt you at all, and two, you'll most likely get a question like "So what have you been doing with your life for the past year?"