Will Trump win again???

[Twiggidy]

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I don’t understand why we don’t just have a flat rate tax system. For everyone. This would mean that everyone, no matter how rich or poor would contribute equally depending on their income level. And then we can talk about equal access to basic healthcare without the rich complaining that they are subsidizing the “lazy” poor people and the poor people would contribute as well without just taking taking taking. You can’t take forever. Eventually you have to contribute.

I was poor once when I was a kid. We got handouts. But we had insurance thru my dads janitor job and when he finished school we got off the handouts.
That’s one thing I agree with about the republicans. There needs to be a limit to free stuff. A time limit. In order to motivate people.

As far as the illegal immigrants, most of the ones who I knew growing up worked with fake or stolen SSN. Meaning they were contributing taxes that they coukd never use, besides going to the ER for emergencies. The field workers, the nannies... those are the ones making money under the table without paying taxes.

While I don't necessarily disagree, the first argument is that a flat tax puts a heavier burden on poor people. That's just from a quick skim and a fast non-economist hot take. I'm sure a smarter economist can should me how it would work and i believe it actually does a positive for GDP, but in simplest terms, even if it were 9% as Herman Cain suggested, the 9% hits a poor person harder than it does you or I. While 9% is really an insignificant rate across the board, can you imagine if you or I's income tax was 9%? Honestly everyone should've voted for Cain for that alone but in reality it's technically "unfair" while also technically being "fair"

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

While I don't necessarily disagree, the first argument is that a flat tax puts a heavier burden on poor people. That's just from a quick skim and a fast non-economist hot take. I'm sure a smarter economist can should me how it would work and i believe it actually does a positive for GDP, but in simplest terms, even if it were 9% as Herman Cain suggested, the 9% hits a poor person harder than it does you or I. While 9% is really an insignificant rate across the board, can you imagine if you or I's income tax was 9%? Honestly everyone should've voted for Cain for that alone but in reality it's technically "unfair" while also technically being "fair"

You realize that the marginal rate for someone making $500 per year is currently 10%, right?

 

[Twiggidy]

You realize that the marginal rate for someone making $500 per year is currently 10%, right?

You could've said 30% and I would believe you. I'm in no way claiming I'm a tax expert, I'm must making the (yes probably weak) argument that flat tax is fair but not fair. That's just my opinion and I don't expect too many to agree. As I said, I would love to pay 9% income tax.

 

[deleted87051]

So y’all get any good deals on Prime Day? I got this...

Doin my part😉

 

[MoMoGesiologist]

Yes.. I am

I’m surprised you admitted that considering that several people here would find it acceptable to tell you to go back to your country when they disagree with you. Here’s lookin at you Mikkel!

 

[Planktonmd]

I’m surprised you admitted that considering that several people here would find it acceptable to tell you to go back to your country when they disagree with you. Here’s lookin at you Mikkel!

I have only one country... it's the good old US of A and I have no where else to go!

 

[pgg]

I was neutral on Kamala Harris until she started the race-baiting with Biden just to score some “base points.” Disgusting.

The progressive left's enthusiasm for her will cool off once they realize how progressive she isn't.

She'll be with us for the next 30 years as a terrible California Senator.

 

[Planktonmd]

The progressive left's enthusiasm for her will cool off once they realize how progressive she isn't.

She'll be with us for the next 30 years as a terrible California Senator.

I unfortunately agree!

 

[vector2]

I don’t understand why we don’t just have a flat rate tax system.

The Flat-Tax Fraud, and the Necessity of a Truly Progressive Tax

Herman Cain’s bizarre 9-9-9 plan would replace much of the current tax code with a 9 percent individual income tax and a 9 percent sales tax. He calls it a "flat tax." Next week Rick Perry is set to...

robertreich.org

 

[chocomorsel]

I'm not an immigrant nor was my family.

Amen!

 

[deleted50478]

While I don't necessarily disagree, the first argument is that a flat tax puts a heavier burden on poor people. That's just from a quick skim and a fast non-economist hot take. I'm sure a smarter economist can should me how it would work and i believe it actually does a positive for GDP, but in simplest terms, even if it were 9% as Herman Cain suggested, the 9% hits a poor person harder than it does you or I. While 9% is really an insignificant rate across the board, can you imagine if you or I's income tax was 9%? Honestly everyone should've voted for Cain for that alone but in reality it's technically "unfair" while also technically being "fair"

I think Cain was for the fair tax under which everyone would receive a tax rebate equal to the taxes for $50,000/yr income. Therefore people making less than 50k would have net negative taxes. People making over 50k would have net taxes equal to income - 50k x tax rate (21% or whatever). I haven’t read about this in 20 years but it’s something like that.
It’s hard to argue against from a fairness or simplicity perspective. The negative would be all the out of work accountants and irs agents.
I think the main reason the government will never pass it is that they are in the business of selling tax breaks to wealthy people and businesses. Our corrupt congress wouldn’t get those lucrative consulting and lobbying jobs once they’re out of office if they weren’t able to give their future employer money while in office. With the fair tax, there are not tax breaks or tax loopholes for congress to sell.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

You could've said 30% and I would believe you. I'm in no way claiming I'm a tax expert, I'm must making the (yes probably weak) argument that flat tax is fair but not fair. That's just my opinion and I don't expect too many to agree. As I said, I would love to pay 9% income tax.

It can be fair-ish with one easy fix. Have a standard deduction still apply. That way anyone making less than $X doesn't pay income tax. Everyone else pays the same rate no matter what.

It's not completely fair, but no income tax plan ever is.

 

[deleted171991]

I’m not sure I understand, why can’t immigrants advocate for changes? If she wants to advocate for Medicare for all or higher minimum wage, that sounds reasonable. Even if she was advocating against gay marriage or is pro-life, she can have that opinion. She’s been here since childhood, America is basically all she knows and remembers. If she’s advocating to become the next Somalia then that is different.

What role exactly do you feel immigrants or their children can play in politics?

I think that zero-generation immigrants are minorities by default, and minorities should be smart about staying out of the limelight, and just be the grey eminences in the background. Why? Because otherwise they will induce intolerance. Just see the reactions to the 4 congresswomen (and 3 of them were actually born here). The first couple generations may also be culturally unadjusted, however assimilated they think they are. If they want to contribute to their community in an elected or power position, do it at a level where everybody knows and appreciates them (I think there is a foreign mayor in a Swiss village, and there was one in France), but definitely not nationally.

Many of the immigrant attendings or supervisors I had were worse than American-born ones. Immigrants bring with them their biases, and it takes a couple of generations for the biases to disappear, or at least to become less detectable, in the American tradition. Many other countries are intolerant towards various groups, and immigrants bring this baggage with them, and transmit it to their children. There are always exceptions, but, the more important the person, the more I care about the baggage. If they become lawmakers, that baggage becomes even more important.

When I elect somebody, I look at their background. Childhood matters much more than people give it credit for. Listen at Kamala Harris speak about busing. Listen at Ilhan Omar tell stories about how immigrating to America was a disappointment. These people are marked for life by their childhoods, which include the influence of their parents. So I also look at the parents, and think about their experiences and biases, and whether they are the same as mine or different. Just look at Trump, and see his father's biases in him; most of his intolerance has been there since childhood.

tl;dr Immigrants are more intolerant and breed more intolerance than the average natural-born American.

And if you want something friggin' naive, read this:

Why They Fear Ilhan Omar

Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson don’t think she’s dangerous. They hate that she’s full of potential.

slate.com

 

[deleted171991]

The progressive left's enthusiasm for her will cool off once they realize how progressive she isn't.

She'll be with us for the next 30 years as a terrible California Senator.

Reading her life story she sounds like a world-class opportunist. She will do whatever is good for Kamala Harris.

The Activist Left Already Knows Who It Wants for President

Many of the MSNBC moms and energized youths at the annual Netroots Nation conference have already settled on their top candidate—with a surprising second choice.

www.theatlantic.com

Oh, gods, the demorons!

 

[vector2]

In other news, our commander-in-chief doesn't know how to spell Al-Qaeda

'Alcaida': Al Qaeda spelled wrong on Trump's notes for remarks attacking Ilhan Omar and other freshman Democrats

Trump was using the notes to defend racist tweets he sent the day before about four Democratic lawmakers, including Rep. Ilhan Omar.

news.yahoo.com

 

[Mikkel]

I think that zero-generation immigrants are minorities by default, and minorities should be smart about staying out of the limelight, and just be the grey eminences in the background. Why? Because otherwise they will induce intolerance. Just see the reactions to the 4 congresswomen (and 3 of them were actually born here). The first couple generations may also be culturally unadjusted, however assimilated they think they are. If they want to contribute to their community in an elected or power position, do it at a level where everybody knows and appreciates them (I think there is a foreign mayor in a Swiss village, and there was one in France), but definitely not nationally.

Many of the immigrant attendings or supervisors I had were worse than American-born ones. Immigrants bring with them their biases, and it takes a couple of generations for the biases to disappear, or at least to become less detectable, in the American tradition. Many other countries are intolerant towards various groups, and immigrants bring this baggage with them, and transmit it to their children. There are always exceptions, but, the more important the person, the more I care about the baggage. If they become lawmakers, that baggage becomes even more important.

When I elect somebody, I look at their background. Childhood matters much more than people give it credit for. Listen at Kamala Harris speak about busing. Listen at Ilhan Omar tell stories about how immigrating to America was a disappointment. These people are marked for life by their childhoods, which include the influence of their parents. So I also look at the parents, and think about their experiences and biases, and whether they are the same as mine or different. Just look at Trump, and see his father's biases in him; most of his intolerance has been there since childhood.

tl;dr Immigrants are more intolerant and breed more intolerance than the average natural-born American.

And if you want something friggin' naive, read this:

Why They Fear Ilhan Omar

Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson don’t think she’s dangerous. They hate that she’s full of potential.

slate.com

Is this just an American phenomenon? To make a comparison, one could argue that the people of France are xenophobic and racist because they loathe Americans who visit their country acting obnoxiously and superiorly. How dare the French be upset that Americans crap all over French culture and way of life.

I can't wait to travel to other countries and treat everyone there like crap, and then accuse them of being racist when they get upset.

 

[Mikkel]

 

[MoMoGesiologist]

I think that zero-generation immigrants are minorities by default, and minorities should be smart about staying out of the limelight, and just be the grey eminences in the background. Why? Because otherwise they will induce intolerance. Just see the reactions to the 4 congresswomen (and 3 of them were actually born here). The first couple generations may also be culturally unadjusted, however assimilated they think they are. If they want to contribute to their community in an elected or power position, do it at a level where everybody knows and appreciates them (I think there is a foreign mayor in a Swiss village, and there was one in France), but definitely not nationally.

Many of the immigrant attendings or supervisors I had were worse than American-born ones. Immigrants bring with them their biases, and it takes a couple of generations for the biases to disappear, or at least to become less detectable, in the American tradition. Many other countries are intolerant towards various groups, and immigrants bring this baggage with them, and transmit it to their children. There are always exceptions, but, the more important the person, the more I care about the baggage. If they become lawmakers, that baggage becomes even more important.

When I elect somebody, I look at their background. Childhood matters much more than people give it credit for. Listen at Kamala Harris speak about busing. Listen at Ilhan Omar tell stories about how immigrating to America was a disappointment. These people are marked for life by their childhoods, which include the influence of their parents. So I also look at the parents, and think about their experiences and biases, and whether they are the same as mine or different. Just look at Trump, and see his father's biases in him; most of his intolerance has been there since childhood.

tl;dr Immigrants are more intolerant and breed more intolerance than the average natural-born American.

And if you want something friggin' naive, read this:

Why They Fear Ilhan Omar

Donald Trump and Tucker Carlson don’t think she’s dangerous. They hate that she’s full of potential.

slate.com

I wasn’t planning on responding to your post because I didn’t have strong feelings, but then seeing @Mikkel ’s response to your post, I feel I had to comment on your point that minorities should stay out of the limelight nationally otherwise they will induce intolerance. I feel you are giving people fuel to say minorities should be happy with whatever crumbs they get and how dare they speak up for themselves.

Are you from an Asian background? That culture encourages staying quiet and not making waves to appease authority and for social cohesion, which I feel your comment is doing. It hurts advocacy and advancement. It’s one of the reasons minorities make less and are less likely to reach positions of power in their department compared to white males; we are less likely to ask for a raise or brag about our achievements, which doesn’t work in the American workplace. We should know our worth and ask for what we deserve, not just accept whatever the boss gives us (easy to say, hard to do).

Imagine if Rosa Parks stayed in the background. Imagine if gays tried to stay as “grey eminences in the background”. Black, women, and gay rights would not be where they are today if not for minorities speaking up and being visible. Yes they induced intolerance, but they also became more mainstream and eventually became normalized, while discrimination became illegal and marginalized. I think it’s important to have minorities, including immigrants and their children, in positions of power, in media just so they can be visible and gain acceptance.

You can be in the background and quiet all you want, when someone comes to disagree with you or you mess up, they will not hesitate to tell you to go back to your country or some other racist slur. We can’t give these people an inch. We belong in this country and are American just as much as anyone else. Being more visible and involved prevents our marginalization and being “other” or “less than”.

I think your posts are among the most educational in this forum, and maybe I’m misinterpretating, but the way you speak about immigrants and their children make me feel you don’t think they are “true Americans” and have an equal right to say or do anything any other American would say. You can disagree with the four congressmen, but they belong here, can advocate for their beliefs as much as any other American citizen. Your comment that minorities should stay in the background hurts our standing in this country. I’m assuming you are an immigrant who is an American citizen. You belong here dude. So do I and my family. TBH, Your comment made me feel otherwise.

 

[olabrador23]

In other news, our commander-in-chief doesn't know how to spell Al-Qaeda

'Alcaida': Al Qaeda spelled wrong on Trump's notes for remarks attacking Ilhan Omar and other freshman Democrats

Trump was using the notes to defend racist tweets he sent the day before about four Democratic lawmakers, including Rep. Ilhan Omar.

news.yahoo.com

I understand that many people do not like Trump. But this misspelling is just being blown out of proportion. Nobody is perfect.

I write notes (phonetic) to make sure I pronounce words correctly all the time. Not a big deal.

On the other hand, I think the photographer / media (and many other people) are borderline on stalking, being obsessed on nitpicking Trump. Some psychological issues there I guess (TDS???) 🙂

 

[Twiggidy]

I understand that many people do not like Trump. But this misspelling is just being blown out of proportion. Nobody is perfect.

I write notes (phonetic) to make sure I pronounce words correctly all the time. Not a big deal.

On the other hand, I think the photographer / media (and many other people) are borderline on stalking, being obsessed on nitpicking Trump. Some psychological issues there I guess (TDS???) 🙂

But that tan suit though.....

 

[olabrador23]

But that tan suit though.....

He is our current POTUS. Gotta keep up with the appearance, right? 🙂

 

[Twiggidy]

He is our current POTUS. Gotta keep up with the appearance, right? 🙂

I'm only point out the "media nitpicking" isn't exactly something new. The media has always nitpicked the President.

 

[olabrador23]

I'm only point out the "media nitpicking" isn't exactly something new. The media has always nitpicked the President.

I agree. But probably never at this level imho.

 

[deleted171991]

I wasn’t planning on responding to your post because I didn’t have strong feelings, but then seeing @Mikkel ’s response to your post, I feel I had to comment on your point that minorities should stay out of the limelight nationally otherwise they will induce intolerance. I feel you are giving people fuel to say minorities should be happy with whatever crumbs they get and how dare they speak up for themselves.

Thank you for your answer. It's my fault for not expressing myself more clearly. I was not speaking about minorities in general, just about the immigrant generation, and maybe the one after. I was just using minorities as example, because immigrants are also minorities, and induce the same feelings.

Are you from an Asian background? That culture encourages staying quiet and not making waves to appease authority and for social cohesion, which I feel your comment is doing. It hurts advocacy and advancement. It’s one of the reasons minorities make less and are less likely to reach positions of power in their department compared to white males; we are less likely to ask for a raise or brag about our achievements, which doesn’t work in the American workplace. We should know our worth and ask for what we deserve, not just accept whatever the boss gives us (easy to say, hard to do).

I am definitely not the nice and quiet guy. My native culture is not quiet and submissive, so I have a big mouth unfortunately.

Imagine if Rosa Parks stayed in the background. Imagine if gays tried to stay as “grey eminences in the background”. Black, women, and gay rights would not be where they are today if not for minorities speaking up and being visible. Yes they induced intolerance, but they also became more mainstream and eventually became normalized, while discrimination became illegal and marginalized. I think it’s important to have minorities, including immigrants and their children, in positions of power, in media just so they can be visible and gain acceptance.

Again, my point was only about generation zero, the true immigrants. I think people who were done the favor of being accepted in any country should be grateful, and behave accordingly. Americans are more tolerant than most other peoples, but nobody is perfect, and even their patience has a limit.

Let me put it in a different way: as long as one's family has not contributed meaningfully to the progress of this country, one has a debt to this country, and not the other way round.

You can be in the background and quiet all you want, when someone comes to disagree with you or you mess up, they will not hesitate to tell you to go back to your country or some other racist slur. We can’t give these people an inch. We belong in this country and are American just as much as anyone else. Being more visible and involved prevents our marginalization and being “other” or “less than”.

I totally agree with that.

But I also can't fault the person who tells Ilhan Omar to go back to Somalia if she doesn't like the US. I think that it's a very legit answer to a person who criticizes the country while holding another citizenship, especially one who hasn't done anything significant for this country yet. The other 3 are natural-born Americans, so they belong in this country as much as anybody else.

I think your posts are among the most educational in this forum, and maybe I’m misinterpretating, but the way you speak about immigrants and their children make me feel you don’t think they are “true Americans” and have an equal right to say or do anything any other American would say. You can disagree with the four congressmen, but they belong here, can advocate for their beliefs as much as any other American citizen. Your comment that minorities should stay in the background hurts our standing in this country. I’m assuming you are an immigrant who is an American citizen. You belong here dude. So do I and my family. TBH, Your comment made me feel otherwise.

This is a country of immigrants, no doubt about that, founded as British colonies. The Constitution and many other values we celebrate and hold dear are British and protestant Christian in origin. One should acknowledge and respect that.

And thank you for pointing out what I actually wanted to say (the emphasized part, emphasis on American). Hence an immigrant should try to assimilate, not remake America after his/her country/culture of origin. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. That's what I was trying to say.

 

[radsisrad]

Democrats: Nobody is above the law! Not even the President!

Also Democrats: Legalize tens of millions of people who crossed our border in flagrant defiance of national law!

 

[olabrador23]

Democrats: Nobody is above the law! Not even the President!

Also Democrats: Legalize tens of millions of people who crossed our border in flagrant defiance of national law!

and free health care, free tuition, free everything for illegals while our citizens are still homeless and sick... And you are a Nazi if you do not let them in and do whatever they want or give them "freebies".... yet those same people if someone broke in their homes would call the police and press charge on the burglar almost immediately... lol

 

[deleted87051]

and free health care, free tuition, free everything for illegals while our citizens are still homeless and sick... And you are a Nazi if you do not let them in and do whatever they want or give them "freebies".... yet those same people if someone broke in their homes would call the police and press charge on the burglar almost immediately... lol

Most people who don’t care about refugees also don’t care about sick and homeless citizens. They are more likely to blame them for their frailties than help them.

 

[GaseousClay]

Most people who don’t care about refugees also don’t care about sick and homeless citizens. They are more likely to blame them for their frailties than help them.

Nice assumption but I think a majority of people who do care for our homeless and needy citizens still believe in a border. See i can make a blanket statement too.

 

[deleted87051]

Nice assumption but I think a majority of people who do care for our homeless and needy citizens still believe in a border. See i can make a blanket statement too.

Just my personal experience. They are blamed for being lazy or addicted or crazy and don’t get much sympathy from rich doctor types.

 

[Twiggidy]

All I have to say is thank goodness I work for a company that pays me well no matter what patient hits my OR. Insured, non-insured, citizen, or non-citizen.....I still get paid. This way I focus on caring for the patient instead of focusing on their "status".

 

[deleted50478]

Thank you for your answer. It's my fault for not expressing myself more clearly. I was not speaking about minorities in general, just about the immigrant generation, and maybe the one after. I was just using minorities as example, because immigrants are also minorities, and induce the same feelings.


I am definitely not the nice and quiet guy. My native culture is not quiet and submissive, so I have a big mouth unfortunately.


Again, my point was only about generation zero, the true immigrants. I think people who were done the favor of being accepted in any country should be grateful, and behave accordingly. Americans are more tolerant than most other peoples, but nobody is perfect, and even their patience has a limit.

Let me put it in a different way: as long as one's family has not contributed meaningfully to the progress of this country, one has a debt to this country, and not the other way round.


I totally agree with that.

But I also can't fault the person who tells Ilhan Omar to go back to Somalia if she doesn't like the US. I think that it's a very legit answer to a person who criticizes the country while holding another citizenship, especially one who hasn't done anything significant for this country yet. The other 3 are natural-born Americans, so they belong in this country as much as anybody else.


This is a country of immigrants, no doubt about that, founded as British colonies. The Constitution and many other values we celebrate and hold dear are British and protestant Christian in origin. One should acknowledge and respect that.

And thank you for pointing out what I actually wanted to say (the emphasized part, emphasis on American). Hence an immigrant should try to assimilate, not remake America after his/her country/culture of origin. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. That's what I was trying to say.

The Constitution is in no way Christian.

I otherwise basically agree with your comment about complaining immigrants (which in fairness is a small minority of immigrants).

 

[deleted171991]

The Constitution is in no way Christian.

I otherwise basically agree with your comment about complaining immigrants (which in fairness is a small minority of immigrants).

But the values were, British and protestant (or Judeo-Christian if you want to be more inclusive). Even the Declaration of Independence speaks about God and The Creator.

P.S. I am not a religious person, and not a protestant, but I feel the protestant work ethic (and other "side effects") has done wonders for this country (and others in Western Europe). I also feel that, while this country belongs to all its citizens, regardless of ethnic origin or religion, one has to know and respect its roots, especially as an immigrant.

 

[vector2]

I understand that many people do not like Trump. But this misspelling is just being blown out of proportion. Nobody is perfect.

I write notes (phonetic) to make sure I pronounce words correctly all the time. Not a big deal.

On the other hand, I think the photographer / media (and many other people) are borderline on stalking, being obsessed on nitpicking Trump. Some psychological issues there I guess (TDS???) 🙂

You're right, nobody is perfect, but I guess it's too much to ask that the President of the United States be able to read and write better than a junior high schooler. Maybe it was too much to ask that the Secretary of Energy continues to be a nuclear physicist, but we couldn't do better than a guy who got a D in the class called Meats? Honestly, your guys' apologetics are mind boggling. And sure, lol, a photographer taking pictures at a White House press event is somehow stalking the president.

 

[deleted171991]

You're right, nobody is perfect, but I guess it's too much to ask that the President of the United States be able to read and write better than a junior high schooler. Maybe it was too much to ask that the Secretary of Energy continues to be a nuclear physicist, but we couldn't do better than a guy who got a D in the class called Meats? Honestly, your guys' apologetics are mind boggling. And sure, lol, a photographer taking pictures at a White House press event is somehow stalking the president.

If he speaks at the level of a fourth grader, why would you expect him to write better? Also, A players hire A players, B's hire C's.

 

[chocomorsel]

The Flat-Tax Fraud, and the Necessity of a Truly Progressive Tax

Herman Cain’s bizarre 9-9-9 plan would replace much of the current tax code with a 9 percent individual income tax and a 9 percent sales tax. He calls it a "flat tax." Next week Rick Perry is set to...

robertreich.org

Good points.
But the people at the top need to pay their taxes in capital gains. As in no breaks for capital gains.
That’s what tends to bother me the most more than the bottom not paying their share obviously. The super wealthy who play the tax games and pay nearly nothing. It’s BS.

 

[radsisrad]

Most people who don’t care about refugees also don’t care about sick and homeless citizens. They are more likely to blame them for their frailties than help them.

I think you're conflating nationalists and libertarians.

 

[deleted87051]

I think you're conflating nationalists and libertarians.

There’s a lot of overlap.

 

[deleted50478]

But the values were, British and protestant (or Judeo-Christian if you want to be more inclusive). Even the Declaration of Independence speaks about God and The Creator.

P.S. I am not a religious person, and not a protestant, but I feel the protestant work ethic (and other "side effects") has done wonders for this country (and others in Western Europe). I also feel that, while this country belongs to all its citizens, regardless of ethnic origin or religion, one has to know and respect its roots, especially as an immigrant.

These roots?

Anyway we can agree to disagree to avoid derailing the thread further. Or start a new thread and I’d be happy to discuss the subject in depth.

 

[deleted171991]

These roots?

Anyway we can agree to disagree to avoid derailing the thread further. Or start a new thread and I’d be happy to discuss the subject in depth.

Let's just agree to disagree. I am not a religious person, so we may be disagreeing less than you think. 🙂

 

[deleted171991]

This doesn't bode well for our democracy:

Republican support for Trump rises after racially charged tweets: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Support for U.S. President Donald Trump increased slightly among Republicans after he lashed out on Twitter over the weekend in a racially charged attack on four minority Democratic congresswomen, a Reuters/Ipsos public opinion poll shows.

www.reuters.com

And these people were upset when called deplorables...?

 

[olabrador23]

This doesn't bode well for our democracy:

Republican support for Trump rises after racially charged tweets: Reuters/Ipsos poll

Support for U.S. President Donald Trump increased slightly among Republicans after he lashed out on Twitter over the weekend in a racially charged attack on four minority Democratic congresswomen, a Reuters/Ipsos public opinion poll shows.

www.reuters.com

And these people were upset when called deplorables...?

You probably mean the Democrats 🙂

 

[olabrador23]

You're right, nobody is perfect, but I guess it's too much to ask that the President of the United States be able to read and write better than a junior high schooler. Maybe it was too much to ask that the Secretary of Energy continues to be a nuclear physicist, but we couldn't do better than a guy who got a D in the class called Meats? Honestly, your guys' apologetics are mind boggling. And sure, lol, a photographer taking pictures at a White House press event is somehow stalking the president.

That is how our democracy is set up. Voice of the majority of the people. They vote what they want. You might want a PhD or A+ student but they might want a high schooler for a change. Trump cannot be POTUS by wish.

All kidding asides, I personally judge things by the results, not words.

 

[d2305]

The left would be happy with a 1984 dystopian society. The language of the far left today looks strikingly similar to Orwell's vision.

 

[deleted171991]

The left would be happy with a 1984 dystopian society. The language of the far left today looks strikingly similar to Orwell's vision.

And the right is not much different, just in a nazi way. Don't forget that nazi came from national(ist).

 

[Mikkel]

And the right is not much different, just in a nazi way. Don't forget that nazi came from national(ist).

Nazis were socialists, so that's two strikes against the left. Third strike against the left is Communism and the tens of millions killed to promote that failed political system.

The best you can criticize the right for is religiosity, but that was only a thing of the early 2000s.

 

[deleted50478]

Let's just agree to disagree. I am not a religious person, so we may be disagreeing less than you think. 🙂

Trump is terrible and a racist.
Aren’t ‘the squad’ racist and sexist to form a group based on race and gender? that came together to try to oppose border security to let in more illegal immigrants to make the country less white? What about all the racist comments they’ve made?
Trump is a racist but so are the squad. I’m more concerned about how one side gets an uproar for his racist comments and the other gets a total pass. Both sides should get an uproar.

 

[deleted171991]

Trump is terrible and a racist.
Aren’t ‘the squad’ racist and sexist to form a group based on race and gender? that came together to try to oppose border security to let in more illegal immigrants to make the country less white?
Trump is a racist but so are the squad. I’m more concerned about how one side gets an uproar for his racist comments and the other gets a total pass.

You still don't tell an American citizen to go back to her "origins". Not if you're the president of the United States, who swore to uphold the Constitution, which, by the way, says that every person born in the United States is a citizen, as per the Fourteenth Amendment, adopted 150+ years ago.

A congressperson is worth electorally less than 1/500 of the president. It's like comparing the mouse with the elephant. Noblesse oblige.

Also, one doesn't put a peasant on a throne worthy of a king, unless one is as dumb as the Philippines or some other "****hole country" (my apologies to the smart Filipinos).

Whatever happens in 2020, I would be surprised if there still is a politically significant Grand Deplorable Party in 10-20 years. I know I won't be sending their people to Congress for a very long time, and my guess is many independents feel the same way.

 

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You still don't tell an American citizen to go back to her "origins". Not if you're the president of the United States, who swore to uphold the Constitution, which, by the way, says that every person born in the United States is a citizen, as per the Fourteenth Amendment, adopted 150+ years ago. Noblesse oblige.

Also, one doesn't put a peasant on a throne worthy of a king, unless one is as dumb as the Philippines or some other "****hole country".

you’re making my point. these days you can’t even talk about minorities being racist.

I said Trump is terrible and a racist.

Can we even acknowledge that ‘the squad’ are racists?

 

[Mikkel]

you’re making my point. these days you can’t even talk about minorities being racist.

I said Trump is terrible and a racist.

Can we even acknowledge that ‘the squad’ are racists?

Affirmative action is racist.

Segregating student dorms is racist (but being promoted by leftists).

Saying black people are not truly black if they vote Republican is racist.

Saying that there are too many white people in leadership is racist.

Saying the Democrat nominees are too white is racist.

Saying that black Republicans are Uncle Tom's is racist.

Saying white people need to pay reparations to black people is racist.

 

[deleted171991]

you’re making my point. these days you can’t even talk about minorities being racist.

I said Trump is terrible and a racist.

Can we even acknowledge that ‘the squad’ are racists?

Can we acknowledge that many blacks/Asians/Latinos/whites are racist, or that many Muslims hate Jews? Or that some women literally hate men? Etc. Of course I can; I am not an idiot in denial, living in a dreamworld, like the far left.

What this country needs is to talk about all these issues, not deny them, because it's not politically correct (on the left) or they don't like being called appropriate names (on the right). Lack of intelligent dialogue only leads to extremism.

We also need not to let lowlifes and con men take over the political arena, the (social) media, and ultimately the country. That's our duty as citizens.