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[medgator]

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Your first paragraph is true. But its then a matter of balancing the rights of law abiding gun owners with stopping criminals.

Your second paragraph is not: Lindsey Graham Is Writing A Bill To Take Guns Away From People Deemed Dangerous

What's the point if Republicans won't sign it?

A lot of ground to gain back anyways

Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns

In 2017, Trump quietly rolled back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illness to buy guns.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[medgator]

Joe Biden was the one who extorted the Ukrainian government, not his son.

Proof?

 

[Mikkel]

Proof?

😆

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

What's the point if Republicans won't sign it?

A lot of ground to gain back anyways

Trump made it easier for the mentally ill to get guns

In 2017, Trump quietly rolled back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illness to buy guns.

www.nbcnews.com

Yeah I remember that. Are there any mass shooters that would have been stopped by that law? Its a genuine question as I have no idea.

 

[medgator]

Yeah I remember that. Are there any mass shooters that would have been stopped by that law? Its a genuine question as I have no idea.

Certainly doesn't seem kosher to let people who can't even manage their own finances secondary to mental illness go out and by a gun.

Then again, we aren't going to see RCTs proving the effectiveness of parachutes out of airplanes either

 

[medgator]

😆

He helped get a corrupt official out of there. Good for him. Hopefully he can clean up the swamp in the white House next.

Btw, the Ukrainians cleared Joe too

Former Ukrainian prosecutor: I'm not aware of 'any possible violation of Ukrainian law' by the Bidens

Former Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko also said that he had been in spoken with Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani "maybe 10 times.”

www.usatoday.com

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

Certainly doesn't seem kosher to let people who can't even manage their own finances secondary to mental illness go out and by a gun.

Then again, we aren't going to see RCTs proving the effectiveness of parachutes out of airplanes either

Yeah that part doesn't bother me in the slightest. Its the banning of anyone on disability for mental illness.

And I'm not asking for a RCT, I'm literally just asking if a single mass shooter was on SSD for mental illness. That's hardly a high bar. To use your analogy, I just want to see a single video of a parachute keeping someone alive when they jump out of a plane.

 

[Mikkel]

He helped get a corrupt official out of there. Good for him. Hopefully he can clean up the swamp in the white House next.

Btw, the Ukrainians cleared Joe too

Former Ukrainian prosecutor: I'm not aware of 'any possible violation of Ukrainian law' by the Bidens

Former Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko also said that he had been in spoken with Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani "maybe 10 times.”

www.usatoday.com

It's an abuse of power and corruption for the American vice president... gaffe-prone Joe admitted it, on video.

 

[d9sccr]

He helped get a corrupt official out of there. Good for him. Hopefully he can clean up the swamp in the white House next.

Btw, the Ukrainians cleared Joe too

Former Ukrainian prosecutor: I'm not aware of 'any possible violation of Ukrainian law' by the Bidens

Former Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko also said that he had been in spoken with Trump’s personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani "maybe 10 times.”

www.usatoday.com

Direct quote from your article:

"President Donald Trump has repeatedly, without evidence, claimed that Biden as vice president threatened to withhold “billions of dollars to Ukraine” unless it removed prosecutor general Viktor Shokin, who was investigating the oligarch behind Burisma Group. Hunter had served on Burisma's board of directors. "

In one post you have summed up why no one trusts the media. There's literally a video of Biden openly talking about his extortion of Ukraine and an article saying "there's no evidence".



You're going to have to forgive people that don't blindly believe most of the mainstream "news" and would rather critically examine and think about issues.

How much of what you posted is actually true vs alternative facts. That's the real question you should be asking yourself

Hunter Biden 'did not violate anything,' former Ukrainian prosecutor says

Trump is facing allegations that he tried to pressure the Ukrainian government to investigate the former vice president's son.

www.nbcnews.com

And let's not get started with the number of convicted criminals in the Trump campaign who had connections to Russia.... Inconvenient truth for you MAGA folk

Why not take a "wait and see" approach to the origins of the Russia probe? Why be so dismissive of the fact that something was going on here? We already know that two of them lead agents were incredibly unprofessional in their handling of the situation. Do you not want to know the truth behind this? You're obviously quite partisan, but remember the old adage "What goes around, comes around." I personally believe regardless of political affiliation all this is ugly and needs to be rooted out of the intelligence agencies and government in general. We're all Americans, none of us are/should be the enemy. If the buck stopped with Page and Strzok, great--maybe all Americans will start believing in the intelligence agencies again.

 

[pgg]

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I'd be fine bringing back the AWB personally. Certainly better than ignoring the issue which is what Republicans prefer. People still owned guns in the 90s after it was passed

Yeah. People still owned guns in the 90s after it was passed. People still owned "assault guns" as ridiculously defined by that law after it passed too, as pre-ban guns already owned weren't confiscated.

It's only effect was to infringe upon the rights of people who were too young to buy, too poor to buy, or simply not interested in buying guns before it was passed.

And when it sunsetted in 2004 ... violent crime kept dropping. And when the best gun salesman of all time (President Obama) took office in 2008 and the number of firearm sales exploded ... violent crime kept dropping in the USA.

We are safer than we have even been in the history of humankind. Be happy. These are good times.

 

[medgator]

Direct quote from your article:

"President Donald Trump has repeatedly, without evidence, claimed that Biden as vice president threatened to withhold “billions of dollars to Ukraine” unless it removed prosecutor general Viktor Shokin, who was investigating the oligarch behind Burisma Group. Hunter had served on Burisma's board of directors. "

In one post you have summed up why no one trusts the media. There's literally a video of Biden openly talking about his extortion of Ukraine and an article saying "there's no evidence".



You're going to have to forgive people that don't blindly believe most of the mainstream "news" and would rather critically examine and think about issues.



Why not take a "wait and see" approach to the origins of the Russia probe? Why be so dismissive of the fact that something was going on here? We already know that two of them lead agents were incredibly unprofessional in their handling of the situation. Do you not want to know the truth behind this? You're obviously quite partisan, but remember the old adage "What goes around, comes around." I personally believe regardless of political affiliation all this is ugly and needs to be rooted out of the intelligence agencies and government in general. We're all Americans, none of us are/should be the enemy. If the buck stopped with Page and Strzok, great--maybe all Americans will start believing in the intelligence agencies again.

Why should anyone entertain yours or any right wing conspiracy theories.

Both Bidens was thoroughly investigated and nothing was found. They were cleared by the Ukrainian prosecutor

Let me guess, you still don't trust Obama's Birth certificate either. Maybe you should ask yourself why your beloved liar in chief decided not to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary and her email server.

But that doesn't fit your narrative

 

[medgator]

. Be happy. These are good times.

Yup, who cares about the victims of Mass shootings

It's easier to just lump them in with everything else

Northwestern Research Shows US Mass Shootings on the Rise

There were eight mass shootings last year in the U.S. But with six mass shootings so far in 2019, the country is on track to match or surpass last year’s record, according to a Northwestern Medicine researcher.

news.wttw.com

 

[pgg]

And is completely irrelevant to what is happening all over the country at schools, festivals etc

You really don't have to be afraid. Your risk of dying in a random shooting is background noise. It makes for good TV news and internet clickbait, but there's really nothing to worry about.

You don't have to be afraid.

Suicide by handgun and onesy-twosy handgun murders are the vast, vast, VAST majority of "gun deaths" ... not that there's really any point in separating death by the tool of choice. Suicide and homicide can and should be reduced though social, cultural, and economic shifts. Hopeful, naive, tool restriction strategies are a fool's path.

 

[medgator]

. Hopeful, naive, tool restriction strategies are a fool's path.

Working fine in many, many other countries. But Japan doesn't fit your narrative so you ignore it

 

[FiremedicMike]

Why should anyone entertain yours or any right wing conspiracy theories.

Both Bidens was thoroughly investigated and nothing was found. They were cleared by the Ukrainian prosecutor

Let me guess, you still don't trust Obama's Birth certificate either. Maybe you should ask yourself why your beloved liar in chief decided not to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Hillary and her email server.

But that doesn't fit your narrative

Same can be said about the lefts obsession over the investigation into Russian collusion..

But I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative

 

[medgator]

Same can be said about the lefts obsession over the investigation into Russian collusion..

But I guess that doesn’t fit your narrative

Mueller didn't exonerate Trump for a reason. And plenty of convictions have come out of that dirty administration.

But that doesn't fit yours

 

[pgg]

Yup, who cares about the victims of Mass shootings

It's easier to just lump them in with everything else

Northwestern Research Shows US Mass Shootings on the Rise

There were eight mass shootings last year in the U.S. But with six mass shootings so far in 2019, the country is on track to match or surpass last year’s record, according to a Northwestern Medicine researcher.

news.wttw.com

I care about those victims exactly as much as I care about everyone else who dies before reaching the age of 80.

The only real difference is that when someone dies in traffic, no one singles me out as a target for infringement of my civil rights.

 

[medgator]

Sounds like there are a lot of

I care about those victims exactly as much as I care about everyone else who dies before reaching the age of 80.

The only real difference is that when someone dies in traffic, no one singles me out as a target for infringement of my civil rights.

You actually had to get a license to drive. And get insurance. Take a test etc.

Analogy fail.

 

[FiremedicMike]

Mueller didn't exonerate Trump for a reason. And plenty of convictions have come out of that dirty administration.

But that doesn't fit yours

The smoking gun wasn’t there, the investigation was a profound waste of money and time. Mueller didn’t exonerate him because of lawyer speak and pressure from the left.

 

[d9sccr]

Mueller didn't exonerate Trump for a reason. And plenty of convictions have come out of that dirty administration.

But that doesn't fit yours

Because it wasn't his job to exonerate Trump. End of story. Being critical of all this and wanting more information is in no way a partisan issue.

 

[medgator]

Mueller didn’t exonerate him because of lawyer speak and pressure from the left.

And the orange God could have shot someone on 5th Ave and you'd still support him.

Strong koolaid

 

[FiremedicMike]

And the orange God could have shot someone on 5th Ave and you'd still support him.

Strong koolaid

typical, lets resort to making fun of his appearance when the facts aren’t on your side.

 

[medgator]

typical, lets resort to making fun of his appearance when the facts aren’t on your side.

At least you're honest about your unwavering support for him

 

[pgg]

Working fine in many, many other countries. But Japan doesn't fit your narrative so you ignore it

86% of the weird **** in the world comes from Japan. It is known. Careful what you wish for - pass some Japan-style gun laws, next thing you know, Times Square is going to be plastered with anime tentacle porn.


Seriously, you cut the sentence I wrote immediately prior to that one: "Suicide and homicide can and should be reduced though social, cultural, and economic shifts."

And then you bring up Japan, which is socially and culturally about as different from the US as any place in the universe.

But yeah. Must be the guns.

 

[pgg]

All formal firearm sales already require background checks.

It's not commerce to sell an old gun to a family member.

It is commerce, however, if you make a job out of selling guns.

Selling guns commercially without a license is a Federal felony.

I would ask that you consider the possibility that playing semantic games like this ("formal firearm sales") weakens our argument.

We both know that the "gun show loophole" is a deliberate misnomer perpetuated by gun control activists because all dealer sales at gun shows require background checks. We know that individual person-to-person sales in some states do not require background checks. We also know that these sales are a tiny, tiny fraction of all gun sales. And we also know that guns sold in this manner are no more likely to end up used in crimes than guns purchased through dealers.

We know these things and we should educate bystanders on these points.

Leave the half-truths, deceptions, and misrepresentations to the other side. Those and appeals to emotion are all they have.

 

[FiremedicMike]

At least you're honest about your unwavering support for him

Calling the investigation a joke demonstrates unwavering support?

Im out bro. You do you.

 

[radsisrad]

Sounds like the liar in chief's Twitter account

Don't deflect.

That's what they do, so they're the enemy of the people. He isn't wrong about this.

 

[medgator]

And then you bring up Japan, which is socially and culturally about as different from the US as any place in the universe.

But yeah. Must be the guns.

Or their stronger background check system.

Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths — here's how

A recent spate of mass shootings has prompted renewed calls for gun control in the US. Japan may offer some insight into preventing future attacks.

www.businessinsider.com

But that would make too much sense. I'd take some anime porn in TS to solve the problem, personally

 

[medgator]

That's what they do, so they're the enemy of the people. He isn't wrong about this.

Divider in chief lies and divides far more often than media. No president has ever called for violence against protesters at his rallies or journalists in general. And I doubt any future president will.

He has a special talent for gaslighting and campaigning like a populist while enacting policy like a corporatist.

He hates the media because they call out his lies. Which he does quite often... If only he lied as often as a politician

 

[pgg]

Or their stronger background check system.

I'm not really opposed to improving background checks* but it won't make any difference. Most guns used in crimes are purchased by people without criminal histories.


* Of course, the longer we can resist the low-hanging background fruit of background checks, the longer it'll be before we have to resist the next great idea from the gun control crowd ... so it makes some strategic sense to fight even that.

I'd take some anime porn in TS to solve the problem, personally

And this here is the American Gun Control Plan, accidentally but perfectly summarized.

1) Do something completely pointless, perhaps unethical, definitely distasteful
2) ~~~ magical thinking ~~~
3) Problem solved!

Seriously man, hacking the billboards in Times Square to show cartoon tentacle porn would prevent exactly as many deaths as any of the gun control proposals out there. Probably more, since people would be really distracted by it, and I bet even our jaded squirrel-attention 24 hour news cycle would take a break to cover it for a day or two.

 

[medgator]

Seriously man, hacking the billboards in Times Square to show cartoon tentacle porn would prevent exactly as many deaths as any of the gun control proposals out there. Probably more, since people would be really distracted by it, and I bet even our jaded squirrel-attention 24 hour news cycle would take a break to cover it for a day or two.

So best to just ignore it and let the next random group of people end up 6 feet under.

Great strategy. Should campaign well for Republicans in 2020

 

[deleted162650]

Working fine in many, many other countries. But Japan doesn't fit your narrative so you ignore it

And Switzerland doesn’t fit your narrative so you just ignore it.

 

[medgator]

And Switzerland doesn’t fit your narrative so you just ignore it.

You want agencies to talk to your psychiatrist before you get a gun license and the cops to keep a log of everyone who owns a gun?

Sign me up

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

Here's what the US can learn from Switzerland, which has nearly eliminated mass shootings while maintaining a high rate of gun ownership.

www.businessinsider.com

The US is pretty much anarchy, gun regulation wise, compared to Switzerland

 

[pgg]

So best to just ignore it and let the next random group of people end up 6 feet under.

Yeah, I ignore it. There are solutions to reduce them (they'll never be eliminated), but they're boring economic things, and they'll take a generation or two to work. I actually think Democrats may be more likely to get that done than the Republicanish frankenparty thing we've got today. But it has nothing to do with gun control.

In the United States, about 100 people die in traffic every day. Those deaths are tragic, and we accept them as the cost of living in a world that needs roads and speedy metal boxes.

I would suggest to you - in all seriousness - that a few random deaths per year is an acceptable cost to bear, in return for preserving for all Americans the fundamental human right to armed self defense that is enumerated by the 2nd Amendment. The cost is not zero. It is painful. It is lower than the alternative cost that would one day be paid if we gave up that right.

Great strategy. Should campaign well for Republicans in 2020

I'm not a Republican, though I have voted for them in the past.

If you're bored and are curious about my political leanings and voting habits, you can read through one of our 2016 election threads. You could start with my amazingly wrong prediction in this post and then skip ahead to this post ...

 

[radsisrad]

You want agencies to talk to your psychiatrist before you get a gun license and the cops to keep a log of everyone who owns a gun?

Sign me up

Switzerland has a stunningly high rate of gun ownership — here's why it doesn't have mass shootings

Here's what the US can learn from Switzerland, which has nearly eliminated mass shootings while maintaining a high rate of gun ownership.

www.businessinsider.com

The US is pretty much anarchy, gun regulation wise, compared to Switzerland

In a country with almost 350 million people, stratification can be useful.

Racial and ethnic patterns in firearms deaths - PubMed

In the United States, there is currently an epidemic of firearms violence. Among victims of this violence, there are striking racial and ethnic patterns in the manners and circumstances of death. This study was conducted to explore and quantitate some of these differences. Autopsy and...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BLADEMDA]

I have a Permit/license to carry a weapon in my state. I oppose gun registries because I don't trust the govt. any more than the founders did. In addition, the vast majority of owners of AR15s and AK47s are legally permitted to carry in my state. Why not simply make the purchase and ownership on an AR15 or AK47 require a license to carry? But, certain states restrict the second amendment and don't allow the average citizen the right to carry even a simple revolver on their person.

My point here is that SCOTUS has established the right to bear arms many times including in its latest decision. That "right" needs to be respected when discussing confiscating my legally purchased rifles. I support reasonable 'assault weapons" legislation but I don't think it will make an impact on gun related deaths in the USA. My main reason for supporting some sort of legislation is that I'm tired of hearing liberals complain about assault weapons.

 

[radsisrad]

Divider in chief lies and divides far more often than media. No president has ever called for violence against protesters at his rallies or journalists in general. And I doubt any future president will.

He has a special talent for gaslighting and campaigning like a populist while enacting policy like a corporatist.

He hates the media because they call out his lies. Which he does quite often... If only he lied as often as a politician

Oh, I didn't realize Leftists were still doing the whole pretend-there's-no-such-thing-as-a-joke bit.

 

[BLADEMDA]

PGG, where do you stand on Trump vs Warren? Will you vote for Trump to keep SCOTUS conservative? Or, will you vote for Warren then give up your AR15 per her Executive order in 2020?

I know socialism is a failed policy from the past. It hasn't ever worked and won't work under Warren. What it will do is inflict a great deal of pain on the most successful people in the USA in order to give a few more crumbs to those who voted for Warren.

Warren will blow an even bigger hole in our deficit while raising taxes to a level we haven't seen in decades. The results of these programs will be mostly govt. waste with little to show for it.

 

[medgator]

Oh, I didn't realize Leftists were still doing the whole pretend-there's-no-such-thing-as-a-joke bit.

Joke. Right

Trump supporter attacks BBC cameraman at El Paso rally

Mr Trump saw the attack and confirmed the cameraman was well with a thumbs up after it happened.

www.bbc.com

Trump May Pay Legal Fees of Man Who Sucker-Punched Protester

“He obviously loves his country"

time.com

I guess just another day for the deplorables, right?

 

[medgator]

PGG, where do you stand on Trump vs Warren? Will you vote for Trump to keep SCOTUS conservative? Or, will you vote for Warren then give up your AR15 per her Executive order in 2020?

Hoping tulsi can surge in the polls and get the draft dodging Putin comrade out of office

Tulsi Gabbard accuses Trump of being ‘Saudi Arabia’s b----’ over response to attacks on oil fields

Democratic presidential candidate Rep. Tusli Gabbard, D-Hawaii, on Sunday took President Trump to task over his response to attacks on Saudi oil fields, likening his wait-and-see approach to being “Saudi Arabia’s b----.”

www.foxnews.com

 

[deleted87051]

I'm starting to think you're not actually interested in a discussion on this.

So you think all these mass shooters are going to say "well damn, I can't get an AR-15. I guess I won't go shoot up the school/church/movie theatre/whatever after all"?

They will switch to handguns since those work almost as well.

They are also saying, “I’m going to go to a crowded venue and shoot as many people as possible as quickly as possible. What’s the best weapon for the job?” And as recently demonstrated, they are acting on that line of reasoning.

 

[deleted87051]

Of course not, but banning semi-automatic rifles won't accomplish that. Lest we forget, the 3rd deadliest mass shooting in our history (Virginia Tech) was done with handguns.

But what about the 1st, 2nd, and 4th deadliest?

 

[radsisrad]

Hoping tulsi can surge in the polls and get the draft dodging Putin comrade out of office

Tulsi Gabbard accuses Trump of being ‘Saudi Arabia’s b----’ over response to attacks on oil fields

Democratic presidential candidate Rep. Tusli Gabbard, D-Hawaii, on Sunday took President Trump to task over his response to attacks on Saudi oil fields, likening his wait-and-see approach to being “Saudi Arabia’s b----.”

www.foxnews.com

A consequence of being beholden to neocon foreign policy - which, interestingly, is almost a penchant of the never-Trumpers.

 

[BoolaHI]

You have no rebuttal. Your every argument has failed.

You want truth, one based in history and fact, how about the fact that the NRA has changed from its very own inherent policy positions and statements—oday, the NRA is the unquestioned leader in the fight against gun control. Yet the organization didn’t always oppose gun regulation. Founded in 1871 by George Wingate and William Church—the latter a former reporter for a newspaper now known for hostility to gun rights, The New York Times—the group first set out to improve American soldiers’ marksmanship. Wingate and Church had fought for the North in the Civil War and been shocked by the poor shooting skills of city-bred Union soldiers.

In the 1920s and ’30s, the NRA was at the forefront of legislative efforts to enact gun control. The organization’s president at the time was Karl T. Frederick, a Princeton- and Harvard-educated lawyer known as “the best shot in America”—a title he earned by winning three gold medals in pistol-shooting at the 1920 Summer Olympic Games. As a special consultant to the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws, Frederick helped draft the Uniform Firearms Act, a model of state-level gun-control legislation. (Since the turn of the century, lawyers and public officials had increasingly sought to standardize the patchwork of state laws. The new measure imposed more order—and, in most cases, far more restrictions.)

Frederick’s model law had three basic elements. The first required that no one carry a concealed handgun in public without a permit from the local police. A permit would be granted only to a “suitable” person with a “proper reason for carrying” a firearm. Second, the law required gun dealers to report to law enforcement every sale of a handgun, in essence creating a registry of small arms. Finally, the law imposed a two-day waiting period on handgun sales.

The NRA today condemns every one of these provisions as a burdensome and ineffective infringement on the right to bear arms. Frederick, however, said in 1934 that he did “not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.” The NRA’s executive vice president at the time, Milton A. Reckord, told a congressional committee that his organization was “absolutely favorable to reasonable legislation.” According to Frederick, the NRA “sponsored” the Uniform Firearms Act and promoted it nationwide. Highlighting the political strength of the NRA even back then, a 1932 Virginia Law Review article reported that laws requiring a license to carry a concealed weapon were already “in effect in practically every jurisdiction.”

 

[medgator]

A consequence of being beholden to neocon foreign policy - which, interestingly, is almost a penchant of the never-Trumpers.

Yet Trump has been the one who pledged to be locked and loaded for MBS, without even a nod to Congress.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

They are also saying, “I’m going to go to a crowded venue and shoot as many people as possible as quickly as possible. What’s the best weapon for the job?” And as recently demonstrated, they are acting on that line of reasoning.

Sure, my point is that taking away AR-15s isn't going to prevent mass shootings.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

But what about the 1st, 2nd, and 4th deadliest?

They still would have happened

 

[radsisrad]

Yet Trump has been the one who pledged to be locked and loaded for MBS, without even a nod to Congress.

His tweets suggest that, but he uses Twitter very deliberately - including when he misspells words so as to attract attention to a particular tweet's content. His tweets shouldn't always be taken at face value. I think that he's used to dealing dynamically and flexibly, as opposed to most officials/politicians, who tend to be more rigid and coached.

He knows that his base is highly war-averse.

 

[agammaglobulin]

You want truth, one based in history and fact, how about the fact that the NRA has changed from its very own inherent policy positions and statements—oday, the NRA is the unquestioned leader in the fight against gun control. Yet the organization didn’t always oppose gun regulation. Founded in 1871 by George Wingate and William Church—the latter a former reporter for a newspaper now known for hostility to gun rights, The New York Times—the group first set out to improve American soldiers’ marksmanship. Wingate and Church had fought for the North in the Civil War and been shocked by the poor shooting skills of city-bred Union soldiers.

In the 1920s and ’30s, the NRA was at the forefront of legislative efforts to enact gun control. The organization’s president at the time was Karl T. Frederick, a Princeton- and Harvard-educated lawyer known as “the best shot in America”—a title he earned by winning three gold medals in pistol-shooting at the 1920 Summer Olympic Games. As a special consultant to the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws, Frederick helped draft the Uniform Firearms Act, a model of state-level gun-control legislation. (Since the turn of the century, lawyers and public officials had increasingly sought to standardize the patchwork of state laws. The new measure imposed more order—and, in most cases, far more restrictions.)

Frederick’s model law had three basic elements. The first required that no one carry a concealed handgun in public without a permit from the local police. A permit would be granted only to a “suitable” person with a “proper reason for carrying” a firearm. Second, the law required gun dealers to report to law enforcement every sale of a handgun, in essence creating a registry of small arms. Finally, the law imposed a two-day waiting period on handgun sales.

The NRA today condemns every one of these provisions as a burdensome and ineffective infringement on the right to bear arms. Frederick, however, said in 1934 that he did “not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.” The NRA’s executive vice president at the time, Milton A. Reckord, told a congressional committee that his organization was “absolutely favorable to reasonable legislation.” According to Frederick, the NRA “sponsored” the Uniform Firearms Act and promoted it nationwide. Highlighting the political strength of the NRA even back then, a 1932 Virginia Law Review article reported that laws requiring a license to carry a concealed weapon were already “in effect in practically every jurisdiction.”

Interesting for sure. It does appear the NRA's position has changed since that time. That said, the NRA represents its members. Therefor, you are essentially saying the members and their interests have changed. I think the crazier the left has become with presidential candidates saying 'Hell yes, we're going to take away your ar-15' the more zealous gun rights advocates become. There is no trust anymore on either side. No reasonable compromise because both sides don't want to give away any ground in fear the other side will never stop.

 

[medgator]

He knows that his base is highly war-averse.

Yup. So much so that after declaring the NK threat over the first summer summit with Kim, he's letting him launch missiles left and right nowadays without a peep. Minus asking for a nobel peace prize of course.

Obama didn't deserve one and neither does Trump.

Nonetheless, Trump's constant Twitter lies/gaslighting are nothing short of fascinating