Will Trump win again???

[medgator]

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So I seriously don’t want Trump to win but he will use the same playbook from his first campaign and it will work. He is going to belittle and degrade Warren in front of the media. He will use the Pocahontas joke ad nauseam and his followers will eat it up. Evangelicals will come out in droves knowing he will likely sway the court. He will continue to paint illegals as bands of rapists and murderers coming to kill in droves. He will paint the Dems as giving away all your hard earned dollars and ruining your country. And in the end it will work because fear and hate are the most powerful and mind-numbing emotions, and they can make one suspend reality.

But now he actually has to run on his record. Trumpcession ain't going to be pretty.

Deep down the average Republican would rather have a regular rwnj like pence as president, they just don't have the guts to publicly oppose Trump

Jeff Flake’s foolish plea for honor from soulless senators

Why else would 35 Republican senators vote secretly to impeach Trump but not speak up about it?

www.azcentral.com

 

[deleted643396]

lol... What number counts? Electoral votes or popular votes? But I do not know, please ask that to our founding fathers. In the mean time, I think we all should please accept the result and move on. OR go and vote to amend the Constitution in / by Congress.

Anyway, regarding the entire 3M+ extra votes came from one place, common sense tells me that is rather suspicious or at the minimum "something more is going on"... If I looked, I might probably see something really ugly... so no... lol

I’m having a hard time following your logic that all the extra votes came from California. What does that mean? So every state had a dead tie except for California? Or all the “blue” states exactly canceled all the “red” states and the extra Democrat voters came from California? I’m not good at math and am really having a hard time with it. What if we counted California first against all the Republican voters? Wouldn’t the excess votes then come from places like WA, MN, NY, CT, MA, etc?

 

[medgator]

Come an actual recession...more people willing to take chances on the left.

2008 redux

 

[Mikkel]

The fired prosecutor at the center of the Ukraine controversy said during a private interview with President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani earlier this year that he was told to back off an investigation into a natural gas firm that was linked to Joe Biden’s son, according to details of that interview that were handed over to Congress by the State Department’s inspector general Wednesday.



Biden campaign is over.

Sanders campaign is over.

 

[deleted941485]

2008 redux

In spades, except more radical and more redistribution and less income.

The voters on the left cannot wait to get their hands on all your expertise for free.

 

[medgator]

In spades, except more radical and more redistribution and less income.

The voters on the left cannot wait to get their hands on all your expertise for free.

I've always believed that Trump would accelerate a real populist getting into office and so far it is looking like a real possibility now.

Going to miss the Obama and Clinton years....

 

[deleted941485]

I've always believed that Trump would accelerate a real populist getting into office and so far it is looking like a real possibility now

That was my hang up about him in 2015/16. Looks like I was right.

That the left would say “well if Americans vote in a right wing populist we don’t wanna get left behind let’s throw up a left wing populist”

 

[deleted643396]

I like Elizabeth Warren. She seems smart and she has a record of standing up to big businesses and the fact that Mark Zuckerberg is scared of her possible presidency is enough for me to vote for her. With that said, she has absolutely no chance to beat Trump. Like it’s going to be a landslide. To the point that Trump could flip a few more blue states. She is not cool enough to get black people out to vote. She will get crushed by Trump at the debates, and there is a large portion of this country that won’t vote for a woman no matter what.

If for some reason it’s Pence running instead of Trump, she might win. I can’t tell if Pence reminds me more of that weird uncle you don’t want to leave alone with your kids or that guy that rings your doorbell during dinner hour to give you a pamphlet about Jesus...or both.

 

[deleted941485]

I like Elizabeth Warren. She seems smart and she has a record of standing up to big businesses and the fact that Mark Zuckerberg is scared of her possible presidency is enough for me to vote for her. With that said, she has absolutely no chance to beat Trump. Like it’s going to be a landslide. To the point that Trump could flip a few more blue states. She is not cool enough to get black people out to vote. She will get crushed by Trump at the debates, and there is a large portion of this country that won’t vote for a woman no matter what.

If for some reason it’s Pence running instead of Trump, she might win. I can’t tell if Pence reminds me more of that weird uncle you don’t want to leave alone with your kids or that guy that rings your doorbell during dinner hour to give you a pamphlet about Jesus...or both.

Idk recessions do funny things to people. I remember 08 well going to talks where the libs were “certain” BO was gonna loose and they were already getting their conspiracy theories together. Market crashes and all of a sudden he wins.

 

[medgator]

Idk recessions do funny things to people. I remember 08 well going to talks where the libs were “certain” BO was gonna loose and they were already getting their conspiracy theories together. Market crashes and all of a sudden he wins.

In any other election, I think McCain would have won.

Still don't get how many in the GOP give Trump a free pass after the way he's treated him when he was alive and beyond. He saved the ACA which imo is was probably our last chance to avoid M4A

 

[deleted643396]

Idk recessions do funny things to people. I remember 08 well going to talks where the libs were “certain” BO was gonna loose and they were already getting their conspiracy theories together. Market crashes and all of a sudden he wins.

I’m going under the assumption that the economy keeps chugging along as is. Economic recessions and wars changes things.

 

[PainDrain]

The fired prosecutor at the center of the Ukraine controversy said during a private interview with President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani earlier this year that he was told to back off an investigation into a natural gas firm that was linked to Joe Biden’s son, according to details of that interview that were handed over to Congress by the State Department’s inspector general Wednesday.



Biden campaign is over.

Sanders campaign is over.

If you believe anything Giuliani puts out you are a *****.

 

[deleted941485]

I’m going under the assumption that the economy keeps chugging along as is. Economic recessions and wars changes things.

Impeachment proceedings can as well I suppose.

 

[Mikkel]

If you believe anything Giuliani puts out you are a *****.

Sure, I'll only believe Adam Schiff.

Oh wait, turns out Adam Schiff knew the whistleblower details, said he didn't, then a month later turns out he coordinated with the whistleblower before they submitted to the IG.


So yeah.....😆

 

[vector2]

While I want your statement to be true I can't agree with it. Social Democracy is popular among about 1/3 of voters. Warren just needs to pivot a little to the middle and she will capture enough Independents this time around to beat Trump.

While I like most of Trump's policies (except for most of his environment policies) I do not like him as a person. He isn't nice, kind, considerate, tolerant or very bright.

Not very bright? How dare you insult our POTUS like that, blade. I mean, only a galaxy level genius could come up with a plan like building a snake and alligator filled moat to keep the Mexicans from stealing all our hamberders

 

[deleted643396]

Impeachment proceedings can as well I suppose.

Nah. The news cycle will forget about this in a few months. Teflon Don will use it to his advantage to push conspiracy theories about Deep States. His base loves that he bucks norms and possibly breaks laws to “stick it to the libs.” Plus the wild card is the fake Russian websites that will continue to whip his base into a frenzy. Elections come down to voter turnout and the impeachment proceedings will backfire in this regard.

 

[medgator]

Sure, I'll only believe Adam Schiff.

Oh wait, turns out Adam Schiff knew the whistleblower details, said he didn't, then a month later turns out he coordinated with the whistleblower before they submitted to the IG.


So yeah.....😆

Dementia Don and now Giuliani

 

[PainDrain]

Sure, I'll only believe Adam Schiff.

Oh wait, turns out Adam Schiff knew the whistleblower details, said he didn't, then a month later turns out he coordinated with the whistleblower before they submitted to the IG.


So yeah.....😆

So unless Schiff had his hand up Trump’s @ss and was using him as a ventriloquist doll it really doesn’t change much does it. Trump made the call and the call regarded trying to dig up dirt of his most feared political opponent. Also, it now appears the “rough transcript” is leaving a lot out. Read at a normal pace the transcript is 10 min in length for a supposed 30+min phone call and according to experts contacted by the WashPo it appears some markings are not standard. Something tells me this isn’t the entire transcript, as is alluded to in the whistleblower complaint.

 

[Mikkel]

So unless Schiff had his hand up Trump’s @ss and was using him as a ventriloquist doll it really doesn’t change much does it. Trump made the call and the call regarded trying to dig up dirt of his most feared political opponent. Also, it now appears the “rough transcript” is leaving a lot out. Read at a normal pace the transcript is 10 min in length for a supposed 30+min phone call and according to experts contacted by the WashPo it appears some markings are not standard. Something tells me this isn’t the entire transcript, as is alluded to in the whistleblower complaint.

So investigating Biden is forbidden because he's a politician?

Gosh, I should run for office (as a Democrat of course), I'll forever be off limits from prosecution.

Nevermind the fact that Obama and Clinton both used foreign governments to dig up false dirt on Trump, and subsequently leak it to the media for maximum pre-election damage.

 

[DrGasPasser]

No one is talking about banning trucks. Or guns for that matter.

Sure they are. Just ask the Robert Francis O’Rourke - aka, the Irish candidate who identifies as a Mexican. If you didn’t want to take all the guns, then you would be a really bad socialist. How else will you keep your constituents from hunting you for sport once you run out of somebody else’s money?

I suggest that you take a look at all the other great socialist experiments - they all start with strict gun control and end with gun confiscation. I’d call that a clue, not a coincidence.

 

[DrGasPasser]

But life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness shall be?

These debates were so much easier when people understood the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

 

[Mikkel]

These debates were so much easier when people understood the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

B-b-b-but the Statue Liberty says we have to give free healthcare to all illegal immigrants! Do you dare contradict Lady Liberty?

 

[PainDrain]

So investigating Biden is forbidden because he's a politician?

Gosh, I should run for office (as a Democrat of course), I'll forever be off limits from prosecution.

Nevermind the fact that Obama and Clinton both used foreign governments to dig up false dirt on Trump, and subsequently leak it to the media for maximum pre-election damage.

I seriously am starting to think you are insane. Obama did no such thing. As a matter of fact Obama was remarkably restrained considering that all indications in the months leading up to the election were that Russia was attempting to influence and swing the election. The news of the dossier came out just before the election but the contents were largely unknown and it hadn’t completely blown up until McCain got a hold of it. Let’s not forget the dossier started as a conservative hit piece but once Trump was the nominee the Free Beacon stopped funding it.

 

[Mikkel]

The news of the dossier came out just before the election

He actually admitted it!

Let’s not forget the dossier started as a conservative hit piece but once Trump was the nominee the Free Beacon stopped funding it.

You're wrong, Michael Steele was subcontracted by FusionGPS only after Hillary Clinton started paying for it, masked through a law firm. Michael Steele's Russian agent sources were the basis for the dossier.

"How a Sensational, Unverified Dossier Became a Crisis for Donald Trump" in nyt.



Don't forget that it was Obama's DOJ that gave Hillary the pass on her emails, it was Obama's DOJ that pushed through the FISA warrants.

 

[vector2]

I seriously am starting to think you are insane. Obama did no such thing. As a matter of fact Obama was remarkably restrained considering that all indications in the months leading up to the election were that Russia was attempting to influence and swing the election. The news of the dossier came out just before the election but the contents were largely unknown and it hadn’t completely blown up until McCain got a hold of it. Let’s not forget the dossier started as a conservative hit piece but once Trump was the nominee the Free Beacon stopped funding it.

There's some utility in arguing with mikkel in that you may do some fact checking or pose some cogent arguments which persuade a lurker to think about an issue differently, but please don't fooled into thinking you're going to convince him of anything. When pressed on whether he had a single grievance with Trump, the only thing he could even come close to offering was maybe something about ?tweeting or something similarly superficial and perfunctory if I recall correctly.

Now, if that's the only criticism that someone can come up with of a president who will almost certainly go down in history as a bottom 5 president according to professional presidential scholars and likely the general public, the only logical conclusion is that that person must be quite delusional and/or under the influence of Trump's personality cult. It's no surprise to anyone who's read my posts that I swing left, but I had and do have serious policy disagreements with Obama, Warren, Bernie, Harris, Beto and others when it comes to the extent of economic, healthcare, gun policy change that is reasonable or even feasible given the current circumstances (i.e. overnight M4A implementation, heavy middle class tax increases, gun confiscation etc).

I give great credit to blade and pgg because even though we disagree on many issues, I know they are informed, pose mostly logical arguments, are willing to listen to reason, and at least consider the other side of an issue even if it doesn't ultimately sway their opinion. Talking to mikkel on the other hand is like talking to a brick wall- you look stupider for continuing your conversation while the IQ of the brick wall remains at its baseline.

 

[radsisrad]

Trump deserves to be re-elected for this alone:

 

[medgator]

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These debates were so much easier when people understood the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

Ok guns > lives. Got it

 

[medgator]

Trump deserves to be re-elected for this alone:

Niet, comrade

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article214959765.html

 

[olabrador23]

I believe that some of the liberal dems are actually fairly non-corrupt ... just very misguided in their policies.

Same with some of the moderate republicans.... unfortunately civility, moderation and honesty seem to disqualify candidates on either side in today’s world.

We are literally choosing between the worst nut-jobs on either side.

I truly believe we need to get rid of the primary system (and probably the two party system as well).

People would rather wish / risk for recession, war, and socialism / communism / fascism / nazism than vote for Trump.

Open border, welfare / free-everything / voting rights for illegals, no more cars, airplane or cheese burgers, cow cannot even fart now, etc.
If that is not pure nut jobs / lawlessness, I do not know what is...

Yet Warren has just come on and endorsed AOC saying those ideas are bold and we should need more ideas like those... Who are in the right mind would vote for that???

I came to this country as a refugee trying to escape all those things that Warren and AOC are advocating for... guess I cannot... seems like deja vu all over again (sigh)

The choice is just clear. If people do not see that, then God please help us all (praying)

The smart populists would vote for her.

The dumb ones vote Trump

be careful what you vote for... I guess only by then you could really tell for sure who is / are the dumb ones but it is all too late 🙂

So basically the Bernie supporters will just shift over to Warren basically putting her over the top. Biden will fight but it’s not clear he can clinch it.

Come an actual recession...more people willing to take chances on the left.

WTH??? (sigh)

 

[olabrador23]

I’m having a hard time following your logic that all the extra votes came from California. What does that mean? So every state had a dead tie except for California? Or all the “blue” states exactly canceled all the “red” states and the extra Democrat voters came from California? I’m not good at math and am really having a hard time with it. What if we counted California first against all the Republican voters? Wouldn’t the excess votes then come from places like WA, MN, NY, CT, MA, etc?

this kind of math is 3rd grade math (addition / subtraction). I guess the MCAT you took back then did not require that kind of math... jk 😉

Anyway, if you had taken the time to read the little article I quoted in my previous post (or do a little research) then you might not have needed to ask me that,

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-official-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

"... If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes. And if California voted like every other Democratic state — where Clinton averaged 53.5% wins — Clinton and Trump end up in a virtual popular vote tie. (This was not the case in 2012. Obama beat Romney by 2 million votes that year, not counting California.)..."

"Popular vote total outside California:
Trump: 58,474,401
Clinton: 57,064,530
_________________
Trump: + 1.4 million"


and here is my post again for your preference 🙂

I keep hearing people saying Trump lost the popular votes by ~ 3M votes again and again.

But people seem to conveniently forget to mention this,

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-official-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

hmmm....




I do not think I can find anyone like that looking at the left. (sad)

I like Elizabeth Warren. She seems smart and she has a record of standing up to big businesses and the fact that Mark Zuckerberg is scared of her possible presidency is enough for me to vote for her. With that said, she has absolutely no chance to beat Trump. Like it’s going to be a landslide. To the point that Trump could flip a few more blue states. She is not cool enough to get black people out to vote. She will get crushed by Trump at the debates, and there is a large portion of this country that won’t vote for a woman no matter what.

If for some reason it’s Pence running instead of Trump, she might win. I can’t tell if Pence reminds me more of that weird uncle you don’t want to leave alone with your kids or that guy that rings your doorbell during dinner hour to give you a pamphlet about Jesus...or both.

I really like what you are saying there. But guessing by the little information I have, probably Native Americans are going to be out in droves voting for her, compensating for the lack of black votes you are mentioning 🙂

 

[medgator]

People would rather wish / risk for recession, war, and socialism / communism / fascism / nazism than vote for Trump.

Open border, welfare / free-everything / voting rights for illegals, no more cars, airplane or cheese burgers, cow cannot even fart now, etc.
If that is not pure nut jobs / lawlessness, I do not know what is...

Yet Warren has just come on and endorsed AOC saying those ideas are bold and we should need more ideas like those... Who are in the right mind would vote for that???

I came to this country as a refugee trying to escape all those things that Warren and AOC are advocating for... guess I cannot... seems like deja vu all over again (sigh)

The choice is just clear. If people do not see that, then God please help us all (praying)




be careful what you vote for... I guess only by then you could really tell for sure who is / are the dumb ones but it is all too late 🙂




WTH??? (sigh)

Wth are you talking about? If Bernie/Warren were an authoritarian statist like Trump when it came to the economy (talking about forcing US companies out of China, delisting Chinese stocks etc), the right would be going nuts. But the destructive trade war and all of that authoritarian nonsense is a-ok under the current deranged GOP.

And let's ignore the skyrocketing debt/deficits, white nationalism, ignorance on GW etc. Trump is the most anti science president we've had in generations, funny how many on a medical forum are defending him for trying to gut the nih, pbs etc while spending worse than a liberal on the military.

For all the bogeyman you've listed, Trump embodies at least half of them. Trillion dollar annual deficits so corporations can get the permanent Tax cuts. And no the snake oil didn't work... tax cuts did NOT pay for themselves, GDP growth IS slowing to 2%. Inequality is at record highs under Trump

U.S. Income Inequality Worsens, Widening To A New Gap

The gap between the richest and the poorest U.S. households is now the largest it's been in the past 50 years, the U.S. Census Bureau says.

www.npr.org

Yeah I think most of us moderates are pretty sick of all that BS and gaslighting.

Btw illegals commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens.

Personally, I'd be much more fearful of a locked and loaded angry right winger than an illegal trying to escape persecution/violence...gilroy, El paso, parkland, Charleston etc were all committed by right wingers. Nik Cruz loved his MAGA hat. The El paso shooter quoted Trump's words on "Invaders". Please feel free to list all those Mass shootings committed by illegals at music festivals, churches, schools etc.

Fact Check: Trump's claims on undocumented immigrant crime rates. Here's what the numbers show.

President Donald Trump claims there are high undocumented immigrant crime rates. There is no national database that tracks those numbers.

abcnews.go.com

Warren won't get a fraction of what she wants through Congress, but at least she will stop inciting right wing violence and stop making our country look foolish on the national stage.

If history is any guide, she will also be more fiscally conservative like Obama and Clinton

 

[deleted643396]

this kind of math is 3rd grade math (addition / subtraction). I guess the MCAT you took back then did not require that kind of math... jk 😉

Anyway, if you had taken the time to read the little article I quoted in my previous post (or do a little research) then you might not have needed to ask me that,

https://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/its-official-clintons-popular-vote-win-came-entirely-from-california/

"... If you take California out of the popular vote equation, then Trump wins the rest of the country by 1.4 million votes. And if California voted like every other Democratic state — where Clinton averaged 53.5% wins — Clinton and Trump end up in a virtual popular vote tie. (This was not the case in 2012. Obama beat Romney by 2 million votes that year, not counting California.)..."

"Popular vote total outside California:
Trump: 58,474,401
Clinton: 57,064,530
_________________
Trump: + 1.4 million"


and here is my post again for your preference 🙂





I really like what you are saying there. But guessing by the little information I have, probably Native Americans are going to be out in droves voting for her, compensating for the lack of black votes you are mentioning 🙂

That’s called massaging the numbers to fit a narrative, but whatever. You didn’t link an article, you linked an opinion piece...a bad one, at that.

Let’s pretend we’ll play by your alternate universe math rules. “If you take California out of the popular vote...” WTF does that even mean? If you ignore the largest state in the country.

 

[medgator]

That’s called massaging the numbers to fit a narrative, but whatever. You didn’t link an article, you linked an opinion piece...a bad one, at that.

Let’s pretend we’ll play by your alternate universe math rules. “If you take California out of the popular vote...” WTF does that even mean? If you ignore the largest state in the country.

MAGA followers ignore facts that do not fit their agenda or worldview as often as the president himself

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

That’s called massaging the numbers to fit a narrative, but whatever. You didn’t link an article, you linked an opinion piece...a bad one, at that.

Let’s pretend we’ll play by your alternate universe math rules. “If you take California out of the popular vote...” WTF does that even mean? If you ignore the largest state in the country.

I think this argument is used because of the way our system is set up. First, candidates aren't likely to actually campaign much in states where they have no chance since the popular vote doesn't matter - Trump for example did not visit California a single time after the Convention. Second, voter turn out in the party that isn't going to win will likely be lower than in a contested state.

 

[deleted643396]

I think this argument is used because of the way our system is set up. First, candidates aren't likely to actually campaign much in states where they have no chance since the popular vote doesn't matter - Trump for example did not visit California a single time after the Convention. Second, voter turn out in the party that isn't going to win will likely be lower than in a contested state.

No. That’s not what the poster was saying. He was not discussing the pros and cons of the electoral college, but rather making flippant remarks about how only hippies in California accounted for popular vote totals.

 

[VA Hopeful Dr]

No. That’s not what the poster was saying. He was not discussing the pros and cons of the electoral college, but rather making flippant remarks about how only hippies in California accounted for popular vote totals.

That's why I didn't address the specific poster but the over-arching argument he/she was trying (poorly) to make.

 

[Painted]

I like Elizabeth Warren. She seems smart and she has a record of standing up to big businesses and the fact that Mark Zuckerberg is scared of her possible presidency is enough for me to vote for her. With that said, she has absolutely no chance to beat Trump. Like it’s going to be a landslide. To the point that Trump could flip a few more blue states. She is not cool enough to get black people out to vote. She will get crushed by Trump at the debates, and there is a large portion of this country that won’t vote for a woman no matter what.
[/QUOTE
I’ve read that Stacey Abrams declined a run for Senate seat in GA because she feels she has more to offer. Possibly being on the ticket of whoever the nominee is as VP? That could up the voter turnout.

 

[deleted643396]

That's why I didn't address the specific poster but the over-arching argument he/she was trying (poorly) to make.

The drawbacks of the electoral college get brought up every single election. It happened when Obama was elected and again with Trump. It’s not going to change. What should be learned from 2016 is to not assume that certain states are going to vote a certain way.

 

[deleted643396]

I’ve read that Stacey Abrams declined a run for Senate seat in GA because she feels she has more to offer. Possibly being on the ticket of whoever the nominee is as VP? That could up the voter turnout.

I don’t know much about her, but two women on a ticket? I don’t think so. That’s not happening.

 

[Mikkel]

I don’t know much about her, but two women on a ticket? I don’t think so. That’s not happening.

Intersectional dream team: Stacey Abrams + Lori Lightfoot.

 

[Mikkel]

 

[PainDrain]

One thing Trump supporters don’t seem to understand is the risk of Trump winning the next election to their party. Trump’s policy positions are likely to absolutely destroy the GOP in the long run. The economy is headed for a downturn and almost all of Trump’s policy positions will likely exacerbate the problem. You can’t cut taxes and regulations more than already done without some serious pains for the majority of average Americans. Combine his trade policy with massive deficit spend and he could do long term damage to the economy. If he appoints a conservative judge and Roe is overturned then the culture war will reignite. Combine all this with environmental degradation and failing social programs and you will get a hard swing toward the left.

Trump’s immigration policy, and more so his rhetoric, will likely push a changing electorate away from the GOP.

 

[PainDrain]

I’ll just leave this here for you to digest.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office

A newly unearthed letter from 2016 shows that Republican senators pushed for reforms to Ukraine's prosecutor general's office and judiciary, echoing calls then-Vice President Joe Biden made at the time.

www-m.cnn.com

 

[agammaglobulin]

Republican disgust with Obama ramming his agenda through with no bipartisan support got Trump elected. Trump is now doing the same, and the result will likely be a Democrat becoming president. Not sure when the cycle will stop. I’m not a fan of Biden, but I think he’d at least be able to work across the aisle. Not sure about Warren. Maybe some of the democrats on here can give me some reassurance...

 

[Mikkel]

One thing Trump supporters don’t seem to understand is the risk of Trump winning the next election to their party. Trump’s policy positions are likely to absolutely destroy the GOP in the long run. The economy is headed for a downturn and almost all of Trump’s policy positions will likely exacerbate the problem. You can’t cut taxes and regulations more than already done without some serious pains for the majority of average Americans. Combine his trade policy with massive deficit spend and he could do long term damage to the economy. If he appoints a conservative judge and Roe is overturned then the culture war will reignite. Combine all this with environmental degradation and failing social programs and you will get a hard swing toward the left.

Trump’s immigration policy, and more so his rhetoric, will likely push a changing electorate away from the GOP.

The big fear is that the Democrats will give citizenship to illegal immigrants, stop border enforcement, and give welfare checks to whoever comes into the country.

If taxes are raised to pay for expanding welfare programs, economic expansion will collapse.

If another liberal justice is put on the supreme court, expect the Constitution to be shredded to promote liberal dystopia.

If the Left wins, there will be widespread suppression of "hate speech".

There will be confiscation of firearms.

There will be entrenching of the deep state, with no hope of ever controlling it again.

If the Left wins, there will be capitulation to Iran, North Korea, Russia, and China.


The USA will be just another country.

No more exceptionalism.


That might be what you want, but not most Americans.

 

[medgator]

Republican disgust with Obama ramming his agenda through with no bipartisan support got Trump elected. Trump is now doing the same, and the result will likely be a Democrat becoming president. Not sure when the cycle will stop. I’m not a fan of Biden, but I think he’d at least be able to work across the aisle. Not sure about Warren. Maybe some of the democrats on here can give me some reassurance...

On trade, China, and probably non-interventionist foreign policy, Warren = Trump = Bernie

 

[pgg]

One thing Trump supporters don’t seem to understand is the risk of Trump winning the next election to their party. Trump’s policy positions are likely to absolutely destroy the GOP in the long run. The economy is headed for a downturn and almost all of Trump’s policy positions will likely exacerbate the problem. You can’t cut taxes and regulations more than already done without some serious pains for the majority of average Americans. Combine his trade policy with massive deficit spend and he could do long term damage to the economy. If he appoints a conservative judge and Roe is overturned then the culture war will reignite. Combine all this with environmental degradation and failing social programs and you will get a hard swing toward the left.

Trump’s immigration policy, and more so his rhetoric, will likely push a changing electorate away from the GOP.

The dumb ones don't care. I think the smart ones understand they're on the losing end of a nationwide demographic shift that strongly favors the Democratic party. This president, whether he wins re-election or not, is going to be the last one who can run on anything resembling Trump's platform. But if he gets one more term the judicial branch will be firmly conservative, and will be a very strong counterbalance to the inevitable run of left-leaning candidates.

It's something of a scorched earth plan, politically speaking, but there's a certain amount of rationality to it.

As for igniting a culture war ... from their perspective, the culture war has been going on almost half a century, ever since Roe vs Wade was decided in 1973. If President Trump appoints another Justice and R v W is overturned, their view will be that the culture war will have been won. They're not worried about 2024 because they think they'll cross the finish line before then.


As for future Republican electoral chances, the country has a short memory. The Trump Republican party will at some point fizzle and die out, but that doesn't mean that half of the country suddenly isn't conservative. Something will rise from its ashes. If nothing else, the Democratic party will splinter into a truly wacky far left fringe and a more moderate wing.

I think Republicans could have, and should have, embraced the population of migrants coming from Mexico and beyond. A whole bunch of hard working people from Catholic-dense cultures should've been a perfect fit for a generally conservative, religious party. Instead they were systematically driven to the Democratic party. Rather than treating them like an enemy, they could have welcomed them with any number of guest worker programs or paths to legal citizenship. But that ship has sailed.

 

[olabrador23]

That’s called massaging the numbers to fit a narrative, but whatever. You didn’t link an article, you linked an opinion piece...a bad one, at that.

Let’s pretend we’ll play by your alternate universe math rules. “If you take California out of the popular vote...” WTF does that even mean? If you ignore the largest state in the country.

the numbers in that article (or what you call opinion piece) are not true or fact? Is that not true that, if we took away the Cali vote just for a moment , then Trump won the rest of the country on popular votes to the tune of 1.4M? Please dispute that for me if you could!

BTW, what do you think of most of the what-so-called "news" on mainstream media these days? If those are not opinion, biased, misleading junks, then I do not know what is 🙂

well, again you only hear or read you want to hear or see. The issue is that all that 3M+ vote margin, again, ahem, is entirely from California. Does it smell a fish to you???? I guess not.

BTW, I am sick of the hypocrisy and double standard when people talk about Trump.

I watched the joined news conference of Trump and the Finish president, Sauli Niinistö, yesterday. I only heard Trump said the word, "damn" once, soon the media reported that the conference was full of Trump's profanity. But when the other side says, "Let's impeach tha M****F*cker", then no one bats an eye and everything is just all good????

I can go on but well, everything about Trump is profanity, violent, discrimination, facist / nazi, etc.

The so-called "moderate" or left that you may identify with is holding the monopoly on being all-saint, peaceful / non-violent, loving, well-mannered, all-inclusive.

I am sure this below is not race discrimination according to the left,

Tlaib: Use only blacks as Detroit’s facial recognition analysts

Detroit police Chief Craig replied: “I trust people who are trained, regardless of race; regardless of gender. It’s about the training.”

www.detroitnews.com

WTF???

yeah, lol 🙂



P.S. anyway, since you called the article I linked in my previous post, an "opinion piece" that massaged the numbers, I include below some other articles here for you that are from what I guess that could be your favorite "news" media,

California Presidential Race Results: Hillary Clinton Wins

California election results from the 2016 general election.

www.nytimes.com

"
California Presidential Race
Results: Hillary Clinton Wins

By The New York Times Aug. 1, 2017, 11:23 AM ET

Hillary Clinton has won California’s 55 electoral votes. Clinton has 4,269,978 more votes than Donald J. Trump, with 100 percent reporting. Hillary Clinton is up by 30 points with all precincts reporting.

Below are detailed results for the race. View other California election results on our full California results page. See all states on our presidential map."

California Election Results 2016

California election results from the 2016 general election.

www.nytimes.com

"
President


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Candidate	Party	Votes	Pct.	E.V.
	Hillary Clinton	Democrat	8,753,788	61.5%	55
	Donald J. Trump	Republican	4,483,810	31.5	—
	Gary Johnson	Libertarian	478,500	3.4	—
	Jill Stein	Green	278,657	2.0	—
	Others		243,129	1.7	—

100% reporting (24,849 of 24,849 precincts)

President Map »



Race Preview: With 55 electoral votes, California is the biggest prize in the Electoral College. Mrs. Clinton had a commanding lead heading into Tuesday. Barack Obama won California in 2012 by 23.1 percentage points."

Final Tally: Clinton Defeats Trump In California By 4.2 Million Votes

Hillary Clinton defeated Donald Trump in California by more than 4.2 million votes, according to the final election tally by the California Secretary of State's Office.

sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com

"

Final Tally: Clinton Defeats Trump In California By 4.2 Million Votes


December 16, 2016 at 3:27 pm
Filed Under:California, Campaign 2016, Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton

SACRAMENTO (CBS SF) – Hillary Clinton defeated Donald Trump in California by more than 4.2 million votes, according to the final election tally by the California Secretary of State’s Office.

Secretary of State Alex Padilla certified the election results on Friday.

Clinton received 8,753,788 votes (61.7 percent) compared to Trump’s 4,483,810 votes (31.6 percent), the largest winning margin for a presidential candidate in California since 1936, when Franklin D. Roosevelt defeated Alfred Landon to win his second term.
"


**** https://transition.fec.gov/pubrec/fe2016/2016presgeresults.pdf **** (NOTE: you are going to do some 3rd grade math. HINTS: 4.2M - 1.4M = 2.8M or ~ 3M 🙂 )

 

[olabrador23]

No. That’s not what the poster was saying. He was not discussing the pros and cons of the electoral college, but rather making flippant remarks about how only hippies in California accounted for popular vote totals.

I do not know, say or make any claim about hippies or hippies in California. Please do not put your words in my mouth. But again, please tell me if that 3M votes are not entirely from California. Anyway I give up !!!! 🙂

 

[olabrador23]

The dumb ones don't care. I think the smart ones understand they're on the losing end of a nationwide demographic shift that strongly favors the Democratic party. This president, whether he wins re-election or not, is going to be the last one who can run on anything resembling Trump's platform. But if he gets one more term the judicial branch will be firmly conservative, and will be a very strong counterbalance to the inevitable run of left-leaning candidates.

It's something of a scorched earth plan, politically speaking, but there's a certain amount of rationality to it.

As for igniting a culture war ... from their perspective, the culture war has been going on almost half a century, ever since Roe vs Wade was decided in 1973. If President Trump appoints another Justice and R v W is overturned, their view will be that the culture war will have been won. They're not worried about 2024 because they think they'll cross the finish line before then.


As for future Republican electoral chances, the country has a short memory. The Trump Republican party will at some point fizzle and die out, but that doesn't mean that half of the country suddenly isn't conservative. Something will rise from its ashes. If nothing else, the Democratic party will splinter into a truly wacky far left fringe and a more moderate wing.

I think Republicans could have, and should have, embraced the population of migrants coming from Mexico and beyond. A whole bunch of hard working people from Catholic-dense cultures should've been a perfect fit for a generally conservative, religious party. Instead they were systematically driven to the Democratic party. Rather than treating them like an enemy, they could have welcomed them with any number of guest worker programs or paths to legal citizenship. But that ship has sailed.

that is so misleading what you are saying....

Since when the Hispanic communities, Mexican, Cuban, and the like who are legal in this country are not embraced???

So you are saying that legal immigrants afrom Mexico and beyond are not being embraced by the Republicans?

The key word I think is "LEGAL".

Well, I think we could agree that a guest is a person who comes to your house on your invite or permission? Yes?

A person who comes to your house, instead of asking for your permission, breaks your doors and enters your house to live there without your consent or permission, is still a guest? Is it still your house or that person's house now? What are you going to do then?

A person who comes to this country and the first thing he / she does is breaking the laws, then he / she is not a guest or immigrant as immigration means "lawful immigration". Go and break immigration laws in other countries around the world, including Mexico, and see how you would be treated?

But I guess, nobody's house needs doors now, nobody needs permission from the house owner to live there anymore, it is all open and belongs to all. Who needs laws anymore??? 🙂

I am really amazed to see "dumb" and "smart" flying around that easily. Not sure what the definitions for those words would mean anymore 🙂