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Will Trump win again???
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Yes. I agree with you here. Biden will beat Trump in 2020 but he won't get the nomination.
I've been mostly following along with this thread. I consider myself pretty moderate. I voted 3rd party last election. Couldn't bring myself to vote for Trump or Hilary. I'm not in a swing state, and am of the belief that my vote isn't that powerful because of that, so I voted third party to display my disdain.
That being said, Biden might be the only candidate with realistic chances of winning the nomination (sorry, Yang) I'd consider voting for. Trump's disgusting personality has driven me even further from potentially voting for him. And I think Bernie and Warren both have potential to destroy this country and my livelihood with it, with their policies, so again, no. But as much as I agree that Biden is "wishy washy" and often stumbles over his own dentures and tongue when speaking, he's centrist enough that I would strongly consider voting for him over Trump. I think if others with my political mindset in states where votes DO matter feel that way, Biden could indeed beat Trump.
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Wishy-washy also means "open for compromise". I have 30 years of votes to know what the man stands for, good and bad, and I don't doubt the man's character. What do I know about the others, except that many look like a bolshevik radical crossed with a woke Millennial?
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SDN Anesthesiology subforum isn't exactly the most varied voting bloc, though. I would venture that most of us are some mixture of socially liberal and fiscally conservative (or at the very least we as a bloc have enough debt and/or have high enough incomes that we dont want increased taxes or significant changes to healthcare insurance and billing).
It's just a hypothesis, but I think that for every you, or VA, or FFP that comes out for Biden, you're going to have 1.5 leftists stay home and another 1.5 people like blade who encourage dems to nominate a moderate like Biden saying they'll consider him but who pull the lever for Trump because they likes his economic or immigration or healthcare policy better.
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More food for thought:
www.santacruzsentinel.com
Fareed Zakaria | Why I now support the impeachment inquiry
NEW YORK — I have long opposed the various efforts to impeach Donald Trump. Overturning an election should be a rare event, undertaken in only the most extreme circumstances. The process would create deep wounds in an already divided…
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Yea, I can see the logic in that. But...
Biden gets the nomination. Centrist enough that he pulls votes away from Trump, but not "exciting" enough to bring the extreme left out to the polls.
Warren or Sanders gets the nomination. The extreme left comes out to vote, but many/most moderates aren't voting for either of them over Trump.
I'm not knowledgeable enough to know which is the better opportunity to get rid of Trump, but I hope it's the former.
The guy had an MI on the campaign trail. Someone needs to pull him aside and rub that hair with a balloon until the gravity of what happened to him sinks in. If he was to withdraw and endorse Warren tomorrow, maybe do a couple of campaign events, for her the primary would be over.
It's definitely the former, no question imo
Howard Schultz could get me to vote for him. The guy is brilliant and a moderate to boot. He was the most impressive person I have ever heard at a Town Hall meeting in my lifetime. He was the Bilionaire we needed in the white House.
Never know. Things have changed so much politically in a few decades.
Remember Cali voted to ban gay marriage last decade with prop 8. Crazy to think that, right?
FL voted to let felons who serve their time and restitution vote again per the most recent amendment. FL passed medical marijuana. And FL only picked Trump's pick for FL governor by a razor thin 30k vote margin last election over the black socialist. And we all know how important FL is to any election...
So the bottom line is, you never know. Personally I would have never even consider voting for Warren pre 2016.... But Trump (and the GOP honestly these days) made a straight ticket Dem....
Even if Warren makes it into office, my guess is all her grandiose plans will end up becoming something actually palatable, and that's only if dems take Senate. If not, mostly pure gridlock will occur. Nobody believed trump was actually going to build a physical barrier and stop all illegal immigration by the end of his first term, and no one really should believe that insurance companies will be made illegal and M4A goes into effect overnight. My prediction with her:
1. The addition of a public option and further gradual expansion of medicaid and medicare.
2. Moderate tax increase for us say back to Clinton levels. People with 100 million plus wealth and high capital gains may have it rough. Corporate tax cut will be reevaluated
3. 5-10 yr military style semiautomatic rifle ban. Background checks. No confiscation or buybacks.
4. Parts of green new deal passed gradually starting with some kind of carbon tax and strengthening emission laws.
5. Large infrastructure bill.
Ok what data can you provide in regards to rape and sexual assault in this country? (Just like we answered your questions I hope you will do the same).
Are you ok with 1 in 10 women being raped? What about 1 in 100?
Have you read about toxic masculinity? Do you not believe that exists?
But I’ll wait for your statistics on rape and sexual assault.
And I never said everyone is racist, so again we are never going to have a civil conversation if you don’t read and comprehend what people say and facts they present.
I actually specifically said I am not calling all white people racist, but there is a long history of racism in this country, the KKK is still alive and well to this day, so that does shape society currently. Do you not believe slavery happened? Do you not believe Jim Crow laws happened? Do you not believe that anyone is racist in this country? Do you not believe that the KKK still exists? I’m 100% sure the KKK themselves would tell you that they believe the white race is superior, so do you think they are lying? Do you not believe that I’ve been called the N word within the recent past by more than 1 person including a patient? So again, I never said that everyone in this country is racist, but the history of this country makes it so that black people and women specifically have been marginalized since the beginning and you can’t just wipe out history with a tap of a magic wand.
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Some links. I would link directly to the racist websites but I was told by a mod that is against SDN TOS.
Hate Map
The Southern Poverty Law Center’s interactive map has been available to track hate across the United States since 2000.
www.splcenter.org
White Nationalist
White nationalist groups frequently claim that white people are persecuted by society and even the victims of a racial genocide.
www.splcenter.org
“Adherents of white nationalist groups believe that white identity should be the organizing principle of the countries that make up Western civilization. White nationalists advocate for policies to reverse changing demographics and the loss of an absolute, white majority. Ending non-white immigration, both legal and illegal, is an urgent priority — frequently elevated over other racist projects, such as ending multiculturalism and miscegenation — for white nationalists seeking to preserve white, racial hegemony.
White nationalists seek to return to an America that predates the implementation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Both landmark pieces of legislation are cited as the harbingers of white dispossession and so-called “white genocide” — the idea that whites in the United States are being systematically replaced and destroyed.
These racist aspirations are most commonly articulated as the desire to form a white ethnostate — a calculated idiom favored by white nationalists in order to obscure the inherent violence of such a radical project. Appeals for the white ethnostate are often disingenuously couched in proclamations of love for members of their own race, rather than hatred for others.
This platitude collapses under scrutiny. Two favorite animating myths of white nationalists are the victimhood narrative of black-on-white crime — the idea that the dominant white majority is under assault by supposedly violent people of color — and the deceptively titled “human biodiversity,” the pseudo-scientific ascription of human behaviors, in this case along racial lines, to “non-negligible” genetic difference among humans. Appeals to the “empirical science” of human biodiversity are frequently coupled with thinly veiled nods to white, racial superiority.
In addition to their obsession with declining white birth rates, these themes comprise some of the most powerful propaganda that animates and drives the white nationalist movement. Adherents frequently cite Pat Buchanan’s 2001 book, The Death of the West, which argues that these declining white birth rates and an “immigrant invasion” will transform the United States into a third world nation by 2050, as the text responsible for their awakening, or “red pill.”
White nationalists also frequently cite American Renaissance, a pseudo-academic organization dedicated to spreading the myth of black criminality, scientific racism and eugenic theories. Its annual conference, a multi-day symposium with a suit-and-tie dress code, is a typical early stop for new white nationalists.
Although it isn’t ubiquitous, there is a current of antisemitism in the modern day white nationalist movement. Jews are common scapegoats for the perceived cultural and political grievances of white nationalists. White nationalist and antisemitic literature and conferences also have frequent author and speaker overlap. Kevin MacDonald, the author of The Culture of Critique — a trilogy of books alleging a Jewish control of culture and politics with evolutionary psychology — is a frequent guest in white nationalist media and at events. His writing is frequently cited as what introduces white nationalists to the idea of a Jewish conspiracy
White nationalists also commonly pass through paleoconservatism — an anti-interventionist strand of libertarianism that seeks to limit government, restrict immigration, reverse multicultural programs and deconstruct the social welfare programs. Some of white nationalism’s most prominent voices, including Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, and Peter Brimelow did stints at Taki’s Magazine, the most prominent paleoconservative journal.
Strategies for pursuing the white ethnostate fall into two major categories: mainstreaming and vanguardism. Mainstreamers believe that infiltrating and subverting the existing political institutions is the only realistic path to power. They aspire to convert disaffected “normies” to their politics and advocate for white nationalists to seek positions — in politics and society — that have access to resources otherwise unavailable to avowed racists. These resources often require that white nationalists disguise their politics and compromise on their most extreme positions. Mainstreaming allows those sympathetic to white nationalism to pursue or enact policies furthering white nationalist priorities. These aren’t always exclusive to white nationalism, such as immigration restriction or the elimination of social welfare programs.
Vanguardists believe that revolution is the only viable path toward a white ethnostate. They believe that reforming the system is impossible and therefore refuse to soften their rhetoric. They typically seek to reform what they believe to be an “anti-white” establishment through radical action. Vanguardists favor public demonstrations to anonymous, online activism and hope that by turning out in numbers at protests they can defy so-called political correctness, polarize politics and accelerate what they view as the inevitable collapse of America.
The racist so-called “alt-right,” which came to prominence in late 2015, is white nationalism’s most recent formulation. While the themes of white dispossession, nostalgia for pre-1960s America and the desire for separatism remain central to the ideology, its edges are softer and porous, allowing for the influence and inclusion of more radical elements, including a suite of neo-Nazi organizations. It also welcomed an unsavory ecosystem of internet trolls. These chaos agents contribute a distinct style of discourse that include a notable lack of empathy, extreme, often violence-tinged, rhetoric, and willingness to dehumanize their enemies in service of political goals. Throughout 2016, with the contentious presidential campaign as a unique backdrop, the nascent alt-right launched a novel campaign of “cultural vanguardism,” tightly focused on radically altering culture — in the form of a total war on “political correctness” — rather than politics. This third style of activism, which borrowed from both the mainstreamers and the vanguardists, primarily took place online in the form of “****posting,” meme making and online harassment.”
Some links. I would link directly to the racist websites but I was told by a mod that is against SDN TOS.
Hate Map
The Southern Poverty Law Center’s interactive map has been available to track hate across the United States since 2000.www.splcenter.org
White Nationalist
White nationalist groups frequently claim that white people are persecuted by society and even the victims of a racial genocide.www.splcenter.org
“Adherents of white nationalist groups believe that white identity should be the organizing principle of the countries that make up Western civilization. White nationalists advocate for policies to reverse changing demographics and the loss of an absolute, white majority. Ending non-white immigration, both legal and illegal, is an urgent priority — frequently elevated over other racist projects, such as ending multiculturalism and miscegenation — for white nationalists seeking to preserve white, racial hegemony.
White nationalists seek to return to an America that predates the implementation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. Both landmark pieces of legislation are cited as the harbingers of white dispossession and so-called “white genocide” — the idea that whites in the United States are being systematically replaced and destroyed.
These racist aspirations are most commonly articulated as the desire to form a white ethnostate — a calculated idiom favored by white nationalists in order to obscure the inherent violence of such a radical project. Appeals for the white ethnostate are often disingenuously couched in proclamations of love for members of their own race, rather than hatred for others.
This platitude collapses under scrutiny. Two favorite animating myths of white nationalists are the victimhood narrative of black-on-white crime — the idea that the dominant white majority is under assault by supposedly violent people of color — and the deceptively titled “human biodiversity,” the pseudo-scientific ascription of human behaviors, in this case along racial lines, to “non-negligible” genetic difference among humans. Appeals to the “empirical science” of human biodiversity are frequently coupled with thinly veiled nods to white, racial superiority.
In addition to their obsession with declining white birth rates, these themes comprise some of the most powerful propaganda that animates and drives the white nationalist movement. Adherents frequently cite Pat Buchanan’s 2001 book, The Death of the West, which argues that these declining white birth rates and an “immigrant invasion” will transform the United States into a third world nation by 2050, as the text responsible for their awakening, or “red pill.”
White nationalists also frequently cite American Renaissance, a pseudo-academic organization dedicated to spreading the myth of black criminality, scientific racism and eugenic theories. Its annual conference, a multi-day symposium with a suit-and-tie dress code, is a typical early stop for new white nationalists.
Although it isn’t ubiquitous, there is a current of antisemitism in the modern day white nationalist movement. Jews are common scapegoats for the perceived cultural and political grievances of white nationalists. White nationalist and antisemitic literature and conferences also have frequent author and speaker overlap. Kevin MacDonald, the author of The Culture of Critique — a trilogy of books alleging a Jewish control of culture and politics with evolutionary psychology — is a frequent guest in white nationalist media and at events. His writing is frequently cited as what introduces white nationalists to the idea of a Jewish conspiracy
White nationalists also commonly pass through paleoconservatism — an anti-interventionist strand of libertarianism that seeks to limit government, restrict immigration, reverse multicultural programs and deconstruct the social welfare programs. Some of white nationalism’s most prominent voices, including Richard Spencer, Jared Taylor, and Peter Brimelow did stints at Taki’s Magazine, the most prominent paleoconservative journal.
Strategies for pursuing the white ethnostate fall into two major categories: mainstreaming and vanguardism. Mainstreamers believe that infiltrating and subverting the existing political institutions is the only realistic path to power. They aspire to convert disaffected “normies” to their politics and advocate for white nationalists to seek positions — in politics and society — that have access to resources otherwise unavailable to avowed racists. These resources often require that white nationalists disguise their politics and compromise on their most extreme positions. Mainstreaming allows those sympathetic to white nationalism to pursue or enact policies furthering white nationalist priorities. These aren’t always exclusive to white nationalism, such as immigration restriction or the elimination of social welfare programs.
Vanguardists believe that revolution is the only viable path toward a white ethnostate. They believe that reforming the system is impossible and therefore refuse to soften their rhetoric. They typically seek to reform what they believe to be an “anti-white” establishment through radical action. Vanguardists favor public demonstrations to anonymous, online activism and hope that by turning out in numbers at protests they can defy so-called political correctness, polarize politics and accelerate what they view as the inevitable collapse of America.
The racist so-called “alt-right,” which came to prominence in late 2015, is white nationalism’s most recent formulation. While the themes of white dispossession, nostalgia for pre-1960s America and the desire for separatism remain central to the ideology, its edges are softer and porous, allowing for the influence and inclusion of more radical elements, including a suite of neo-Nazi organizations. It also welcomed an unsavory ecosystem of internet trolls. These chaos agents contribute a distinct style of discourse that include a notable lack of empathy, extreme, often violence-tinged, rhetoric, and willingness to dehumanize their enemies in service of political goals. Throughout 2016, with the contentious presidential campaign as a unique backdrop, the nascent alt-right launched a novel campaign of “cultural vanguardism,” tightly focused on radically altering culture — in the form of a total war on “political correctness” — rather than politics. This third style of activism, which borrowed from both the mainstreamers and the vanguardists, primarily took place online in the form of “****posting,” meme making and online harassment.”
Trump says he's not a racist. That's not how white nationalists see it
The publisher of a neo-Nazi website said white nationalism was a winner in the midterm elections, while others cheered President Trump as their champion.
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Trump says he's not a racist. That's not how white nationalists see it
The publisher of a neo-Nazi website said white nationalism was a winner in the midterm elections, while others cheered President Trump as their champion.www.cnn.com
Yep he’s their guy. In a way he did drain the swamp and the rats came out.
I didn’t finish my thought in regards to your popping Xanax comment.
What specialty do you practice?
In my practice I certainly take care of plenty of patients that have experienced trauma that relates back to sexism and racism, which has contributed to them having mental health diagnoses such as ptsd, depression and anxiety.
In fact the clinic I work for has a specific specialty clinic with specially trained doctors for patients who have experienced sexual trauma.
So yes, there are plenty of people in this country "popping Xanax like tic tacs" due to oppressions they have faced specifically due to being a woman and/or person of color.
Our education system, particularly medical school and residency has certainly failed in teaching about these issues. Thankfully I’ve had some great mentors over the years who have taught me a trauma informed approach to help take care of all patients. The fact that you don’t believe in rape statistics (and I assume you don’t believe in the horrid history of medical experimentation on black people such as the Tuskegee experiment) is really a disservice to your patients.
But sure, let's talk about how Warren was mean when she joked about a hypothetical homophobe having a hard time picking up women
This is disgusting and beyond the pale...
But sure, let's talk about how Warren was mean when she joked about a hypothetical homophobe having a hard time picking up women
This is what the US presidency has become.
Trump's words cause real violence against the media too, and he's happy to help
‘Enemy of the people’: Trump’s war on the media is a page from Nixon’s playbook
But where the former president only talked about exposing journalists, the current leader is putting that plan into action
Trump supporter attacks BBC cameraman at El Paso rally
Mr Trump saw the attack and confirmed the cameraman was well with a thumbs up after it happened.
www.bbc.com
you guys still throwing stones at each other? you guys ever realize you're just a play in the playbook of human nature and are spinning your wheels
any picture can be painted in a positive light and negative light ~ any action, glance, deed, accomplishment can be interpreted wholly positive and negative. you're not proving any point, none of you. you will defend your side, you are victims of human psychology, supporting your side and tearing down the other, to create your own propaganda really, not impressing anyone. the racist spiel from nimbus is par for the course. there is no truth here, just vitriolic fluff.
any picture can be painted in a positive light and negative light ~ any action, glance, deed, accomplishment can be interpreted wholly positive and negative. you're not proving any point, none of you. you will defend your side, you are victims of human psychology, supporting your side and tearing down the other, to create your own propaganda really, not impressing anyone. the racist spiel from nimbus is par for the course. there is no truth here, just vitriolic fluff.
Your grade school-level take on moral relativism is really profound, there
Even Ron Paul admits what trumponomics is doing...
www.cnbc.com
Ron Paul: Fed cuts and China tariffs give socialists credibility for 'first time in my lifetime'
The libertarian describes the central bank interest rate cuts and President Trump's China tariffs as interventionist moves "far removed from capitalism."
Wrong
Will Trump win again???
Illegals and dead people tend not to have drivers licenses. Facts my friend,Debunking the Voter Fraud Myth
forums.studentdoctor.net
Florida's Republican government is trying to subvert the will of the voters (just like they did on medical marijuana under Dick Scott) now with what is essentially a poll tax. There are toxic Republicans trying to hold on to the old ways any way they can, starting with Moscow Mitch on down
Civil rights groups sue Florida over 'poll tax' law to restore felon voter rights
The lawsuit claims the new law violates the prohibition against poll taxes enshrined in the 24th Amendment.
www.nbcnews.com
Personally don't think that person is Warren. She appears to be doing what she's always done and just say/do whatever it takes to get the job. Who were her Senate donors? Did she give that money back or merely transition it over to her presidential campaign? There was also some rumblings of her own bribery scandal for the endorsement of a prior Bernie group. I don't know the authenticity of that claim honestly, but so far the media have handled her with kid's gloves.
Bernie is the real populist and true believer, but I think he's done. I think Warren would ultimately compromise a lot more, both with Republicans and the Swamp, bc she really doesn't believe in what she's saying.
Warren is certainly closer to Bernie on the populist spectrum than Trump, who essentially has gaslighted everyone on being a populist as much as he has on anything else. I'd argue he's in fact quite the opposite....a corporatist in terms of the policies he's signed into law.
And Bernie hasn't been looking so hot, health wise lately
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In actual news, Democrats are now the pro-war party.
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Bernie seems to think the same:
Bernie Sanders draws contrast with Elizabeth Warren: She says 'she is a capitalist through her bones. I'm not.'
With Sen. Elizabeth Warren climbing in polls, Sen. Bernie Sanders highlighted a key difference in their core economic philosophies in an interview on ABC's "This Week."
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As much as Trump is the pro ISIS, pro Russia/Syria president
I think we need to fix capitalism. Most of the leftists that look towards Sweden, Norway etc don't realize the differences from Cuba/Venezuela etc.Bernie seems to think the same:
"There are differences between Elizabeth and myself," Sanders, I-Vt., said in an interview with ABC News Chief White House Correspondent Jonathan Karl. "Elizabeth, I think, as you know, has said that she is a capitalist through her bones. I'm not."Bernie Sanders draws contrast with Elizabeth Warren: She says 'she is a capitalist through her bones. I'm not.'
With Sen. Elizabeth Warren climbing in polls, Sen. Bernie Sanders highlighted a key difference in their core economic philosophies in an interview on ABC's "This Week."abcnews.go.com
They have socialist programs funded on the back of a capitalist society. None of the Scandinavian countries have so much as even a minimum wage law.
Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist
As much as liberals like to use Nordic countries as examples that socialism and successful societies can co-exist, the reality is that these countries are not socialist, or even farther along the spectrum toward socialism than most other developed countries.
www.forbes.com
The Myth of Scandinavian Socialism
Bernie Sanders shouldn't cite Scandinavia to support his "socialist" interventionism.
fee.org
In that way, Warren would be much preferable over Bernie imo
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I almost posted those exact articles over the weekend but didn't want to get into a debate between what's really socialism and what isn't. Looks like its one of those times where I suspect most of us are actually on the same page.I think we need to fix capitalism. Most of the leftists that look towards Sweden, Norway etc don't realize the differences from Cuba/Venezuela etc.
They have socialist programs funded on the back of a capitalist society. None of the Scandinavian countries have so much as even a minimum wage law.
Sorry Bernie Bros But Nordic Countries Are Not Socialist
As much as liberals like to use Nordic countries as examples that socialism and successful societies can co-exist, the reality is that these countries are not socialist, or even farther along the spectrum toward socialism than most other developed countries.
The Myth of Scandinavian Socialism
Bernie Sanders shouldn't cite Scandinavia to support his "socialist" interventionism.
In that way, Warren would be much preferable over Bernie imo
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Americans have been brainwashed into believing that social safety nets are socialism. Every capitalist country in Europe has them, in various degrees, not just the Nordic ones. They make a society more stable, by insuring that all its citizens enjoy a minimal standard of living.
Social-democracy, which is widespread in Europe, is not (democratic) socialism. Social-democrats love (to tax) capitalists. They are great at spending other people's money, like both American parties.
Social-democracy, which is widespread in Europe, is not (democratic) socialism. Social-democrats love (to tax) capitalists. They are great at spending other people's money, like both American parties.
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Americans are happy to go along with social safety nets. What is rightfully difficult to sell to them is the idea of safety nets for illegal aliens, but prioritization of illegal aliens appears to be the Democrat Party's raison d'etre.
Absent that lunacy, you wouldn't have a President Trump right now.
Absent that lunacy, you wouldn't have a President Trump right now.
Yes, I claim. White fear of blacks is not merely anecdotal nor just rhetorical. Again, just this weekend a young bright premed student was killed without provocation ....see: Father of Texas woman shot dead by cop in her home: "It's senseless"
Republicans have had a decade to fix the immigration system. Boenhner killed the gang of 8 bill earlier this decade. And trump was too busy cutting taxes for corporations to do anything else.
Funny how much they use it as a red meat issue for the base, but never actually want to fix it.
Plenty of red states use illegal labor, not to mention Trump's own resorts
Hmmmmm
www.cnbc.com
Mike Bloomberg keeps talking to allies about running for president as Joe Biden struggles against Elizabeth Warren
Bloomberg could be in for a showdown with Elizabeth Warren, whether he runs or not.
When people say democrats are "prioritizing" illegal immigrants, do they truly believe that democrats actually would rather give benefits to illegal immigrants over american citizens and legal immigrants? I mean I know that this keeps getting echoed by Fox news and people like Sean Hannity and Lou Dobbs daily, and it certainly succeeds in making the average Trump follower more angry at the democrats and at foreigners, but do educated people really believe that nonsense?
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The answer is tighter restriction. Not the amnesty that the Gang of 8 wanted to pass.
The moment one decides to give *any* benefits to illegal aliens, one has prioritized them over citizens, seeing as citizens and their forebears paid for those benefits. Taking my tax dollars and giving them to someone else who isn't even my fellow citizen. Highly objectionable. In fact, immoral.
Yet Republicans don't so much as slap employers on the wrist for employing illegals. Even Trump can do it!
Attorney says more undocumented workers are employed at Trump golf course
The attorney representing five immigrant women who worked at President Trump’s New Jersey golf club said in an interview that aired Wednesday on “Rising” that he has rea…
thehill.com
Tighter restrictions won't help fix the current issues with a lack of workers in certain areas and a citizen birthrate that isn't enough to keep us at steady state.
Only Immigrants Can Reverse America’s Baby Bust
Asia’s aging societies show that other well-meaning policies simply can’t boost birth rates enough.
www.bloomberg.com
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Don't you remember Romney and the 47% comment. majority of the population does not pay federal income taxes.
And illegals do in fact pay billions in other taxes and do jobs that citizens won't do (pick tomatoes, milk cows, construction etc)
How Much Tax Do America's Undocumented Immigrants Actually Pay? [Infographic]
America's undocumented immigrants likely pay much more in taxes annually than Donald Trump.
www.forbes.com
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Not really, but there is a real concern about expanding what social programs are immediately available to immigrants both in terms of cost and in further incentivizing immigration beyond what we already see.
I don't have strong feelings one way or another but I understand the concern.
I find it profoundly ironic, and well, mildly hilarious that folks who are so against immigration and really think immigrants are the problem and are taking away their so-call way of life and stand of living, also believe, that they are lazy, uneducated, without appreciable skills or even have a functional way to communicate. Because if that is the case, these lazy, uneducated, without skills folks, are then basically out working you, out hustling you, and yes, out thinking you. And within a course of single generation will change the entire trajectory of their place in society and economic fortunes—the truth is , it’s embarrassing for most of fly-over America.
By way of specific example, there is an area of Eastern Washington called tri-cities, one of the cities there is called Pasco and it’s almost 2/3 Latino and has one of the fastest growing Latino populations in the nation. Over the last years, I have been in the area for work, 2-3 times a year, and often pass by a corner where folks can get picked up for day labor jobs, the going rate is 100-150 cash (at least the sign says so). So, to make no mistake about it, no is going to get rich on $100-150 a day, but you can certainly pay some bills and take care of essentials. I must have past this place at least 50-60 times over the years, and you know who I have never seen there—a white person, not once, not ever—telling.
By way of specific example, there is an area of Eastern Washington called tri-cities, one of the cities there is called Pasco and it’s almost 2/3 Latino and has one of the fastest growing Latino populations in the nation. Over the last years, I have been in the area for work, 2-3 times a year, and often pass by a corner where folks can get picked up for day labor jobs, the going rate is 100-150 cash (at least the sign says so). So, to make no mistake about it, no is going to get rich on $100-150 a day, but you can certainly pay some bills and take care of essentials. I must have past this place at least 50-60 times over the years, and you know who I have never seen there—a white person, not once, not ever—telling.
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White people up there probably don't speak Spanish.
Why should they?
Federal Anti-Poverty Programs Primarily Help the GOP's Base
Republicans want to shrink government. But their core voters benefit from assistance, like the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, the most.
Trump’s food stamp cut will hit his single, white, male base the hardest
Nearly 800,000 people could lose their access to food stamps if US president Donald Trump gets his way. And many of them will be single, white men.
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