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There does not exist a perfect president.

Put someone reasonable up against Trump, and I might vote for that candidate. Until then, he remains the best on foreign policy, immigration, and national unity (seeing as he seems to be the one candidate not constantly instigating hatred toward any particular group of Americans).

Let me preface by saying that I don’t believe Trump himself is a racist. If he sees an opportunity that benefits his interests, he doesn’t care about color/ethnicity/whatever else. A true racist would usually not associate with people they “hate” as a matter of principle. He’s an opportunist however. He saw an opportunity to rile up the masses on race/ethnicity/religion issues. And he seized that opportunity to the max, blame everything on the outsiders, the nonconformists. This has created a dangerous situation. There is a significant number of trump supporters who are outright racists/bigots, and they have no shame about it. Trump gave them a platform by condoning, and at times pouring gasoline. I belong to a minority group, and I’m no snowflake, but this much is obvious. Trump is no unifier. If anything, he’s divided the nation further. Now my kind, who know no better, want to blame all whiteys for their problems.
 
Who the hell do you think you are to police other people's perspectives?

He started his post with “As a person of color” so I’m going to use my awesome powers of deduction and presume that a “person of color” is who the hell he thinks he is vis a vis his opinion on the president instigating hatred towards various groups of Americans
 
Let me preface by saying that I don’t believe Trump himself is a racist. If he sees an opportunity that benefits his interests, he doesn’t care about color/ethnicity/whatever else. A true racist would usually not associate with people they “hate” as a matter of principle. He’s an opportunist however. He saw an opportunity to rile up the masses on race/ethnicity/religion issues. And he seized that opportunity to the max, blame everything on the outsiders, the nonconformists. This has created a dangerous situation. There is a significant number of trump supporters who are outright racists/bigots, and they have no shame about it. Trump gave them a platform by condoning, and at times pouring gasoline. I belong to a minority group, and I’m no snowflake, but this much is obvious. Trump is no unifier. If anything, he’s divided the nation further. Now my kind, who know no better, want to blame all whiteys for their problems.

I've lost count of the number of times Trump has touted unemployment numbers for Hispanics, African-Americans, etc. If you want to blame anyone for the racial division, look toward the hosts on MSNBC and CNN (overwhelmingly white, BTW). Crude as he is, Trump's aim is to be renowned as a great American president ("maybe the best ever, some people are saying") for the whole country. In his popularity contest, all are counted.
 
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Homie, you don’t know me, but spare me the false internet bravado as I know you wouldn’t dare talk to me in such tones in person. That said, I’m not policing anyone but to say, when you talk about national unity, speak about yourself and community, not the rest of us who have to suffer through an overt racist.

If this sentence were any thicker with irony, I'd need a chainsaw to cut through it.
 
I think that’s a point of privilege. Maybe you can easily live, but some of us can’t. For some people and many in specific categories of people (women, lgbtq, undocumented persons, etc), this administrations policies and attempted policies are ruining lives physically and emotionally. For many people it’s not about the money, it’s about being able to live. And I’m not even going to get in to the topic of climate change...which of course is going to affect poor people before it affects everyone else, but at the end of the day money isn’t going to save your life! It is definitely hard for me to understand how people who are physicians who I presume follow evidence based medicine and believe in science are deniers of climate change and the need to do something about it.


Are you in medicine? And if so when is the last time you sat in on an M and M. Constant back and forth on what study is superior and why...so it doesn’t surprise me at all that critical thinkers see the flaws in the climate change data and analysis. A real possibility exist that the world leaders are using climate change to make a lot of money.
 
I've lost count of the number of times Trump has touted unemployment numbers for Hispanics, African-Americans, etc. If you want to blame anyone for the racial division, look toward the hosts on MSNBC and CNN (overwhelmingly white, BTW).

lol, buddy...I hate to break it to ya

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but you need to re-evaluate your “is this guy a racist?” standard
 
Let's keep things civil...please. I'm not thrilled about voting for Donald Trump in 2020. I supported Kasich in 2016. I liked Howard Schultz for 2020.
My posts about taxes reflects a 25% increase from the working, upper middle class like the average Anesthesiologist humping it out for a management company. I think that's a huge tax increase which Biden would NOT impose on those individuals vs Warren/Sanders. So, you can vote for a Biden and go back to the Obama tax code or vote for Warren and see a 25% increase in overall taxes.

Biden is trying to appeal to LEFT but he is a centrist. His policies will be Clinton/Obama and not Warren/Sanders. The way I see it is that many Biden voters will pull the lever for Trump in 2020 instead of Warren. I just don't think enough moderates will show up to give Trump the win.

I'd like to see Howard Schultz re-enter the race but that won't happen. Even Hilary Clinton would be welcomed vs Warren.
 
I've lost count of the number of times Trump has touted unemployment numbers for Hispanics, African-Americans, etc. If you want to blame anyone for the racial division, look toward the hosts on MSNBC and CNN (overwhelmingly white, BTW).

And I disagree with that rhetoric too, as I said I am no snowflake. We all have our biases and prejudices. I believe you can never completely have a human being devoid of biases. Mainstream media has exploited human emotion and biases to further their ratings, CNN, MSNBC, and FOX, all are equally complicit.
 
lol, buddy...I hate to break it to ya

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but you need to re-evaluate your “is this guy a racist?” standard

I don't see a problem. Do you find that offensive?
 
Why will Warren raise taxes HEAVILY on all those earning over $250,000? Because the top 1% can't pay enough taxes to support her policies. Warren will be forced to greatly increase taxes on the working upper middle class until they bleed from the pain:

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Let's keep things civil...please. I'm not thrilled about voting for Donald Trump in 2020. I supported Kasich in 2016. I liked Howard Schultz for 2020.
My posts about taxes reflects a 25% increase from the working, upper middle class like the average Anesthesiologist humping it out for a management company. I think that's a huge tax increase which Biden would NOT impose on those individuals vs Warren/Sanders. So, you can vote for a Biden and go back to the Obama tax code or vote for Warren and see a 25% increase in overall taxes.

Biden is trying to appeal to LEFT but he is a centrist. His policies will be Clinton/Obama and not Warren/Sanders. The way I see it is that many Biden voters will pull the lever for Trump in 2020 instead of Warren. I just don't think enough moderates will show up to give Trump the win.

I'd like to see Howard Schultz re-enter the race but that won't happen. Even Hilary Clinton would be welcomed vs Warren.

If 2016 has taught us anything blade, it’s that neither party is gonna put forward a centrist any time soon. Yours and others’ conventional theory that a centrist can win a plurality of all kinds of voters no longer holds given today’s extreme polarization. The best hope for the dems is to nominate someone who will drive extreme dem turnout. We all know that the so called moderates say they would vote for Schultz or Biden but in the booth they all pulled the lever for trump.
 
Let's keep things civil...please. I'm not thrilled about voting for Donald Trump in 2020. I supported Kasich in 2016. I liked Howard Schultz for 2020.
My posts about taxes reflects a 25% increase from the working, upper middle class like the average Anesthesiologist humping it out for a management company. I think that's a huge tax increase which Biden would NOT impose on those individuals vs Warren/Sanders. So, you can vote for a Biden and go back to the Obama tax code or vote for Warren and see a 25% increase in overall taxes.

Biden is trying to appeal to LEFT but he is a centrist. His policies will be Clinton/Obama and not Warren/Sanders. The way I see it is that many Biden voters will pull the lever for Trump in 2020 instead of Warren. I just don't think enough moderates will show up to give Trump the win.

I'd like to see Howard Schultz re-enter the race but that won't happen. Even Hilary Clinton would be welcomed vs Warren.

Biden is barely holding on and he’s probably slipped to second. Gonna be tight races all around. Biden is just alright but really not that great. Trump is now a known quantity he scrambles, dodges, and from what I can see cobbled together something on healthcare just so he can enter the 2020 debates claiming he had a policy.

I never enjoyed voting but honestly I’m not convinced anything good comes out of this election or the subsequent one.
 
The graph below assumes no major expansions of social programs but keeping our promise the programs already in place. Warren will need to raise a lot more money or print trillions more in debt to fund her new programs:

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Why will Warren raise taxes HEAVILY on all those earning over $250,000? Because the top 1% can't pay enough taxes to support her policies. Warren will be forced to greatly increase taxes on the working upper middle class until they bleed from the pain:

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It’s almost impossible to just soak those worth over 50M or some other ridiculous number. Even if you took everything they had it would just be an exercise in fairness and punishment of people you don’t like rather than a sustainable means of finance. The well to do will simply pay more. The mass affluent will get pinched both on income and investment portfolios.
 
I don't see a problem. Do you find that offensive?

I’m honestly embarrassed for you if I have to explain why saying “I love Hispanics” as one eats a presumably shtty office building cafeteria Texmex taco bowl is at the very best ignorant, and at worst racist.
 
I’m honestly embarrassed for you if I have to explain why saying “I love Hispanics” as one eats a presumably shtty office building cafeteria Texmex taco bowl is at the very best ignorant, and at worst racist.

He really isn't very bright: Ignorance. I know you think he is a racist but i see him more as a fool or clown.
 
I’m honestly embarrassed for you if I have to explain why saying “I love Hispanics” as one eats a presumably shtty office building cafeteria Texmex taco bowl is at the very best ignorant, and at worst racist.
I would love to hear about his background and where he is from...
 
I’m honestly embarrassed for you if I have to explain why saying “I love Hispanics” as one eats a presumably shtty office building cafeteria Texmex taco bowl is at the very best ignorant, and at worst racist.


He probably makes the best Indian food too.
 
I understand some think Corporations are the devil. We need them and to some degree personal taxes are preferential to corporate taxes. We want businesses to locate here and flourish. We can't be competitive globally with a high corporate tax rate. Regrettably, this means we must pay more personal taxes, investment taxes, etc to fund our govt.
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He really isn't very bright: Ignorance. I know you think he is a racist but i see him more as a fool or clown.

The taco thing probably was ignorance. The denying blacks housing in the 70s, Central Park 5, birtherism against the first black president, good people loving the confederacy, Muslim ban, and calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers was straight up racism.
 
I understand some think Corporations are the devil. We need them and to some degree personal taxes are preferential to corporate taxes. We want businesses to locate here and flourish. We can't be competitive globally with a high corporate tax rate. Regrettably, this means we must pay more personal taxes, investment taxes, etc to fund our govt.
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Corporations aren’t saints and some are the devil but I’m also not convinced a govt admin would be any better
 
The taco thing probably was ignorance. The denying blacks housing in the 70s, Central Park 5, birtherism against the first black president, good people loving the confederacy, Muslim ban, and calling Mexicans rapists and drug dealers was straight up racism.
True dat.And if you think such actions are merely ignorance and benign then you are probably more complicit then he is, as you subscribe and endorse both an institutional and societal view that places people of color below you and subordinate to your interests.
 
I’m honestly embarrassed for you if I have to explain why saying “I love Hispanics” as one eats a presumably shtty office building cafeteria Texmex taco bowl is at the very best ignorant, and at worst racist.

Maybe you can coach him the next time he wants to express his affection for Hispanics. Since, apparently, saying that you like someone in the wrong way really means that you hold a seething anger toward them!!
 
This is what Democrats have to offer, I guess - tax increases, reparations, 12-trillion-dollar "green energy" plans, and HR training lectures.

Gee, can't wait to vote for you.
 
This is what Democrats have to offer, I guess - tax increases, reparations, 12-trillion-dollar "green energy" plans, and HR training lectures.

Gee, can't wait to vote for you.
So glad you could join me in the remedial schism introduction class....so nice to have a new effete and pedantic classmate.
 
Maybe you can coach him the next time he wants to express his affection for Hispanics. Since, apparently, saying that you like someone in the wrong way really means that you hold a seething anger toward them!!

he’s beyond coaching, but maybe I can at least help you understand that shouting “I love Asians ” while one chomps on a panda express egg roll doesn’t exactly make one all that culturally sensitive, nor would it make actual Asians believe one really loves them
 
I understand some think Corporations are the devil. We need them and to some degree personal taxes are preferential to corporate taxes. We want businesses to locate here and flourish. We can't be competitive globally with a high corporate tax rate. Regrettably, this means we must pay more personal taxes, investment taxes, etc to fund our govt.
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So you’d rather tax the working middle class individuals than the corporations who are seeing record profits? Those very same corporations who use their record profits not to give pay raises to their workers or hire more workers, but rather do things like consolidate industries into monopolies or do stock buybacks to enrich theirs CEOs? Then when those monopolies inevitably fail, the taxpaying middle class will write them a check and bail them out again.

Maybe Trump should hire you for his campaign. We’ll see how his base likes his new slogan “Tax the workers to save the rich!”
 
Trump Urged Top Aide to Help Giuliani Client Facing DOJ Charges

President Donald Trump pressed then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to help persuade the Justice Department to drop a criminal case against an Iranian-Turkish gold trader who was a client of Rudy Giuliani, according to three people familiar with the 2017 meeting in the Oval Office.

Tillerson refused, arguing it would constitute interference in an ongoing investigation of the trader, Reza Zarrab, according to the people. They said other participants in the Oval Office were shocked by the request

Tillerson immediately repeated his objections to then-Chief of Staff John Kelly in a hallway conversation just outside the Oval Office, emphasizing that the request would be illegal. Neither episode has been previously reported, and all of the people spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the conversations.

The White House declined to comment. Kelly and Tillerson declined to comment via representatives. Another person familiar with the matter said the Justice Department never considered dropping the criminal case.

Zarrab was being prosecuted in federal court in New York at the time on charges of evading U.S. sanctions against Iran’s nuclear program. He had hired former Attorney General Michael Mukasey and Giuliani, who has said he reached out repeatedly to U.S. officials to seek a diplomatic solution for his client outside the courts.

The president’s request to Tillerson -- which included asking him to speak with Giuliani -- bears the hallmarks of Trump’s governing style, defined by his willingness to sweep aside the customary procedures and constraints of government to pursue matters outside normal channels. Tillerson’s objection came to light as Trump’s dealings with foreign leaders face intense scrutiny following the July 25 call with Ukraine’s president that has sparked an impeachment inquiry in the House.

Bloomberg - Are you a robot?
 
Are you in medicine? And if so when is the last time you sat in on an M and M. Constant back and forth on what study is superior and why...so it doesn’t surprise me at all that critical thinkers see the flaws in the climate change data and analysis. A real possibility exist that the world leaders are using climate change to make a lot of money.

Or maybe it’s that the fossil fuel industry and other corporations that stand to lose a lot of money in light of environmental protection legislation and the rise of the use of renewable energy decided to inject some doubt in the climate change “debate.” Add a dash of junk science and throw in some social media memes and you’ve stemmed the tide of changing public opinion...for now. At least long enough to destroy the environment for a few more billions.
 
he’s beyond coaching, but maybe I can at least help you understand that shouting “I love Asians ” while one chomps on a panda express egg roll doesn’t exactly make one all that culturally sensitive, nor would it make actual Asians believe one really loves them

I have never credited Trump with subtlety.
 
Or maybe it’s that the fossil fuel industry and other corporations that stand to lose a lot of money in light of environmental protection legislation and the rise of the use of renewable energy decided to inject some doubt in the climate change “debate.” Add a dash of junk science and throw in some social media memes and you’ve stemmed the tide of changing public opinion...for now. At least long enough to destroy the environment for a few more billions.

So are you suggesting Hunter Biden is behind all of this?
 
national unity (seeing as he seems to be the one candidate not constantly instigating hatred toward any particular group of Americans).

As long as you aren't Mexican, Muslim, or from a ****hole country. Or lgbtq. Or a refugee/asylum seeker. Or a Democrat. Or a journalist/in the media.

McCain was right. He would have been a 10000x better president on that issue


I've lost count of the number of times Trump has touted unemployment numbers for Hispanics, African-Americans, etc.
And lied about it?

 
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So are you suggesting Hunter Biden is behind all of this?

Only if you like to indulge in conspiracy theories/fake news.... Seems to be a predilection on the right the days. Trump really has transformed the GOP, and not for the better...
 
Well that escalated quickly....


Just over half of voters want President Trump impeached and removed from office, according to a Fox News Poll released Wednesday.

Then again, doesn't Trump hate Fox news these days? Too liberal for his liking?

Honestly between that poll and the stuff coming out from the evangelicals regarding his cluster of a decision at the Turkish/Syrian border, maybe we finally have reached a watershed moment:


Evangelical radio host Erick Erickson: "Hey @SpeakerPelosi, maybe do a vote to initiate impeachment STAT, have the committee get out articles by tonight and over to the Senate, and perhaps we'll still have time to save some of the Kurds," he tweeted. He previously said in February he would probably vote for Trump in 2020.
 
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Nothing offensive here, just about 50 years of making sure people of color, assume a step and fetch version that is palatable for his simple taste—see: An Oral History of Trump’s Bigotry

Yep exactly.

Violence in the name of Trump:


“ABC News could not find a single criminal case filed in federal or state court where an act of violence or threat was made in the name of President Barack Obama or President George W. Bush.”
 
Only if you like to indulge in conspiracy theories/fake news.... Seems to be a predilection on the right the days. Trump really has transformed the GOP, and not for the better...

I thought it was public knowledge he was paid to sit on the board of a fossil fuel company? And again I don’t consider myself right or left...more politically fluid
 
I thought it was public knowledge he was paid to sit on the board of a fossil fuel company? And again I don’t consider myself right or left...more politically fluid
About as relevant as this in terms of what you were responding too:

 
I thought it was public knowledge he was paid to sit on the board of a fossil fuel company?

No one is debating that he sat on the board of the company. It's really whether it has any relevance- and honestly it doesn't considering he's an attorney/lobbyist who has worked in finance and who sat on Amtrak board at one point. If you look at any of the boards of directors of any fortune 500 company, you'll see that half the members are just status positions by some VIP who likely works in an entirely unrelated business field. I mean, hell, one of the board members of coca cola is an exec from the video game company Activision Blizzard. Another is from Expedia, another is from Aaron's and Delta. Exxon's board has ppl from Wellpoint, Xerox, and Merck. The implication from the misinformed right is that Biden's appointment was inappropriate because he's not from an oil background. That is either a deliberate or accidental misinterpretation about how boards work.

This situation more or less just raises ethical questions about board membership in general, but nothing specifically implicates Hunter Biden in malfeasance or a crime.
 
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For the people here who are spouting that Trump is a horrible president for women, African-americans, LGBTQ, etc, can you please tell my why? Honest question. I hear the media spouting how hateful he is all the time, and I hear people saying he's racist, sexist, etc, but I truly don't know what he has done legislatively (or otherwise) to back that up.....taco bowl tweets aside...

I can't think of anything regarding women....
Black unemployment seems to be going down
Don't know of any laws against LGBTQ...
You can claim a border wall is racist, but I don't buy that, and neither do legal immigrants it seems...

So what are you all referring to?

I know he had some questionable rental housing stuff in the past with minorities, or so the claim might be. But calling up potential racist practices from the 80s doesn't really mean much to me regarding his presidency.

In all seriousness, please educate me. Thanks.
 
On a different note, to those slamming other well educated people for doubting the climate catastrophe claims, id have to ask, have YOU ever dug into the actual data? Have you read/listened to people explain where the data comes from and why it shouldn't necessarily be trusted? Or do you just hear that there's some alleged consensus among 'climate scientists' and then just call everyone who disagrees a denier?
 
For the people here who are spouting that Trump is a horrible president for women, African-americans, LGBTQ, etc, can you please tell my why? Honest question. I hear the media spouting how hateful he is all the time, and I hear people saying he's racist, sexist, etc, but I truly don't know what he has done legislatively (or otherwise) to back that up.....taco bowl tweets aside...

I can't think of anything regarding women....
Black unemployment seems to be going down
Don't know of any laws against LGBTQ...
You can claim a border wall is racist, but I don't buy that, and neither do legal immigrants it seems...

So what are you all referring to?

I know he had some questionable rental housing stuff in the past with minorities, or so the claim might be. But calling up potential racist practices from the 80s doesn't really mean much to me regarding his presidency.

In all seriousness, please educate me. Thanks.



 








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Ok, sorry I don’t see much substantive in there...

1) I see an opinion piece talking about 80s trump and the tired comments about calling all immigrants rapists, etc, which is so obviously skewed and not what he was saying at the time. I’m not interested in left leaning media taking solitary statement and smearing it. I want to hear substantive things he’s done that have hurt people.

2) the anti LGBTQ is the only real legislative things he’s DONE (not tweets or comments here and there) and I don’t think the transgender bathroom deal or the colorado cake baker situations are anti-LGBT at all. The military stuff I guess you could argue is discriminatory.

3) The tweet about Hillary is hardly much of anything. Definitely wasn’t anything substantive that effected the country.

4) The black unemployment article seems to be (and correct me if I’m wrong) seems to be saying the black unemployment is still incredibly low just the gap between black and white unemployment has widened slightly recently. That’s like when people argue the wage gap in America is a huge problem even though everyone’s wages are rising, just not at the same rate.


So yeah, I don’t really see much in there that makes the country a harder place for women, African-Americans or LGBTQ people. Am I missing something?


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So yeah, I don’t really see much in there that makes the country a harder place for women, African-Americans or LGBTQ people. Am I missing something?


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Yes. And you'll probably never see it
 
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