Would being a stripper prevent me from getting into med school?

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Law2Doc said:
Bear in mind that getting into med school is less important than how this can impact your career. Schools may shrug off anything "legal", although I don't think Lizzy is speaking for most schools on this topic, frankly. Employers are going to have to be comfortable with how this might look to their patients, reflect on their organization, etc.
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Ok thanks for the clarification since there was an apparent disconnect between the two. But even then, won't employers/PDs etc. find themselves in a similar position like medical school adcoms? Being busted with a criminal record/drugs etc. is always bad yes, but I'm more focused about the third reason.

Law2Doc said:
Or third, you keep it clean, but some colleague, patient or ex finds out about your history and blabs, and it ruins some career prospects. Google "former stripper" and "fired" and you'll find lots of people who lost jobs over their past indiscretions. And most weren't even in fields with as much focus on professionalism.
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Given the time from being a stripper premed to residency/attending, is it really that possible for someone's career to be jeopardized based on what happened several years ago? Because if so, the fault isn't on the person with a shady past, but the person who carried out the punishment for acting on their own moral standards. And even then, the problem isn't just attributed to a shady background, but literally anything else happened in the past that the accuser may find to be troublesome. It's essentially a willful intention to sabotage someone.
 
Law2Doc said:
What percentage of strippers go on to have prostitution careers and drug habits as compared to going on to higher education? Theres a pretty natural progression down certain roads, statistically. The stripper who is just doing it to pay for school is mostly a story for the customers who want to pretend it's less seemly, not an actual viable career option.
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How many of them started off with great prospects? I would guess a tiny amount. Why would someone in the OP's situation be lured off the track to medicine by ****job money and coke? I agree that the vast majority of women who start stripping aren't succeeding academically and just paying their bills, but clearly that is what the OP is doing, so she's not at any greater risk of doing that stuff than I am of becoming a crack dealer just because there's good money in it and I know people.
 
PikaDocGirl said:
Hi guys. This is a serious question. Long time lurker on these forums. I have competitive stats, but I need money. I've been offered jobs at bars and strip clubs (not prostitution, literally just dancing and/or selling shots/drinks).

I am hesitant to take any of these offers, because I'm not sure if this can come back to haunt me during med school applications or while in med school.

Would this ever be an issue?

Is there anyone out there who stripped before med school?
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lol .. it would only prevent you from getting into religious-affiliated schools like Loma Linda, CUSOM, LUCOM.

Otherwise I don't see why it is an issue.
 
NotASerialKiller said:
How many of them started off with great prospects? I would guess a tiny amount. Why would someone in the OP's situation be lured off the track to medicine by ****job money and coke? I agree that the vast majority of women who start stripping aren't succeeding academically and just paying their bills, but clearly that is what the OP is doing, so she's not at any greater risk of doing that stuff than I am of becoming a crack dealer just because there's good money in it and I know people.
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If you lie with dogs you have a much more likely chance of catching fleas...
You can rationalize it all you want but the fact is people who go down this road generally don't end up with professional careers. The train you'd be getting on simply doesn't lead to that station. Could OP be the exception to that rule? Maybe. But you don't want to put yourself in a position where you need to beat steep odds.
 
Lawper said:
Ok thanks for the clarification since there was an apparent disconnect between the two. But even then, won't employers/PDs etc. find themselves in a similar position like medical school adcoms? Being busted with a criminal record/drugs etc. is always bad yes, but I'm more focused about the third reason.



Given the time from being a stripper premed to residency/attending, is it really that possible for someone's career to be jeopardized based on what happened several years ago? Because if so, the fault isn't on the person with a shady past, but the person who carried out the punishment for acting on their own moral standards. And even then, the problem isn't just attributed to a shady background, but literally anything else happened in the past that the accuser may find to be troublesome. It's essentially a willful intention to sabotage someone.
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Nobody will care that the secret was unfairly revealed. Once it's out, the motivation of the source is irrelevant-- it's out.
 
Spector1 said:
Surely there has to be a more discreet way to earn money than stripping...
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No need to strip, just be a server. Someone here already posted that they used to be a server and make $300-$500/night doing it, and I knew a girl that did the same. She actually paid for a year's worth of college tuition and then some with that job, and she never got on stage and was never really pressured to. Then again, it will all depend on where you're working and what the general situation is.
 
I would like to clarify that I'm in my mid-20s, been out of undergrad and in the real world for a few years now, I don't do drugs, I have never smoked a cigarette, and I am a very exercise, nutrition, & a health-focused person. I'm not asking about whether or not you think I will get caught up in prostitution (I've been solicited for sex for money before, so not a new temptation to me), I've been around and offered drugs before, so still not a new temptation for me, nor whether it would have any psychological implications. This is obviously something my parents would never endorse and I get what some of you are saying about being objectified, but I have learned that sex sells (in this case dancing/toplessness), and I personally enjoy having extra money to go on vacations, eat out, and afford nice things. I don't mind the objectification when it leads to me being able to afford the lifestyle I enjoy. I was just asking about the legal matters, like if it could lead to being expelled from Medical College.

NotASerialKiller said:
How many of them started off with great prospects? I would guess a tiny amount. Why would someone in the OP's situation be lured off the track to medicine by ****job money and coke? I agree that the vast majority of women who start stripping aren't succeeding academically and just paying their bills, but clearly that is what the OP is doing, so she's not at any greater risk of doing that stuff than I am of becoming a crack dealer just because there's good money in it and I know people.
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I first had this idea, because an old girlfriend of mine from undergrad was a stripper after undergrad. She is now in an extremely competitive program in her field at one of the best Ivy Leagues and she is doing fine.

I appreciate everyone's responses. Thank you.
 
God, people in medicine are so goody goody, sociopathic, judgemental, sheltered, conservative, still a lot of oldies, very concerned with professional image, puritannical, and you should see some of the **** I've witnessed firsthand. If you knew the inconsequential **** I saw people get in trouble for, HAHAHAHAHA.

I'm just strongly objecting to anyone who thinks they aren't taking a risk doing it, like there aren't plenty of people at any given medical school more than willing to shank you for this. You can get away with it just be very careful and never kid yourself that this can't easily be used against you.
 
Stagg737 said:
No need to strip, just be a server. Someone here already posted that they used to be a server and make $300-$500/night doing it, and I knew a girl that did the same. She actually paid for a year's worth of college tuition and then some with that job, and she never got on stage and was never really pressured to. Then again, it will all depend on where you're working and what the general situation is.
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Too many strip clubs are tied in with gangsters and wannabe gangsters. None look good on a premed CV. Best to earn less money at a place you can tell future bosses/colleagues/patients about without a stigma. Your career is an investment and you can damage that investment by poorly thought out actions early on.
 
Law2Doc said:
Nobody will care that the secret was unfairly revealed. Once it's out, the motivation of the source is irrelevant-- it's out.
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The fact that the secret is out isn't the issue. What is problematic is the accuser's malignant interpretation and desire to sabotage the person based on that secret.

Crayola227 said:
I'm just strongly objecting to anyone who thinks they aren't taking a risk doing it, like there aren't plenty of people at any given medical school more than willing to shank you for this. You can get away with it just be very careful and never kid yourself that this can't easily be used against you.
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Is there a risk involved? Of course. Should people stop shaming/sabotaging people based on their past? Definitely.
 
Yes you can be expelled from medical school over this. You can google it.

Yes this can follow you the rest of your career but once you are board certified you'll always be able to find work regardless (unless you get a criminal record or a reality tv show or well known book/blog something googleable about you from it) otherwise no I don't think it will follow you around necessarily for life, but everything @Law2Doc pointed out applies.
 
Lawper said:
The fact that the secret is out isn't the issue. What is problematic is the accuser's malignant interpretation and desire to sabotage the person based on that secret.
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So what? No matter how unfair the damage to your career, damage is damage. Life is unfair.
 
Law2Doc said:
If you lie with dogs you have a much more likely chance of catching fleas...
You can rationalize it all you want but the fact is people who go down this road generally don't end up with professional careers. The train you'd be getting on simply doesn't lead to that station. Could OP be the exception to that rule? Maybe. But you don't want to put yourself in a position where you need to beat steep odds.
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What you're basically saying is that if 70% of strippers do coke and become prostitutes, that everyone who starts stripping has a 70% chance of this happening. That statistic though (whatever it is, pulled 70 out of nowhere), is not predictive. When you have additional information that is much more likely to be predictive, like future prospects and motivations to start stripping, it makes much more sense to use that as a judge of how "risky" it is.

The OP not becoming a hooker isn't "beating the odds", because her situation is completely different from the women who start stripping and then do those things to make even more money and numb the pain from their apparent crack-babies.

edit: Now it's exploding like I was hoping 😀
 
Lawper said:
The fact that the secret is out isn't the issue. What is problematic is the accuser's malignant interpretation and desire to sabotage the person based on that secret.
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Your potential future employer won't care. Once the secret is out, why its out doesn't matter, except to you. Your potential future employer won't be focused on the motivations, just how much damage this could cause to good will and the like. So yes, the fact it's out is all that will matter, any motivations or malignant interpretations are your own problem, not something a future employer/patient/colleague is going to dwell on. Nobody is going to say, "I feel so bad for you". They are going to say, "maybe this isn't the professional image we want in our practice."
 
Law2Doc said:
Your potential future employer won't care. Once the secret is out, why its out doesn't matter, except to you. Your potential future employer won't be focused on the motivations, just how much damage this could cause to good will and the like. So yes, the fact it's out is all that will matter, any motivations or malignant interpretations are your own problem, not something a future employer/patient/colleague is going to dwell on. Nobody is going to say, "I feel so bad for you". They are going to say, "maybe this isn't the professional image we want in our practice."
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Funny you mention this when the same employers who condemn such "black-and-white thinking" are willing to use the same reasoning in dismissing applicants based on something they did long ago. What a two-faced reality.
 
PikaDocGirl said:
I would like to clarify that I'm in my mid-20s, been out of undergrad and in the real world for a few years now, I don't do drugs, I have never smoked a cigarette, and I am a very exercise, nutrition, & a health-focused person. I'm not asking about whether or not you think I will get caught up in prostitution (I've been solicited for sex for money before, so not a new temptation to me), I've been around and offered drugs before, so still not a new temptation for me, nor whether it would have any psychological implications. This is obviously something my parents would never endorse and I get what some of you are saying about being objectified, but I have learned that sex sells (in this case dancing/toplessness), and I personally enjoy having extra money to go on vacations, eat out, and afford nice things. I don't mind the objectification when it leads to me being able to afford the lifestyle I enjoy. I was just asking about the legal matters, like if it could lead to being expelled from Medical College.



I first had this idea, because an old girlfriend of mine from undergrad was a stripper after undergrad. She is now in an extremely competitive program in her field at one of the best Ivy Leagues and she is doing fine.

I appreciate everyone's responses. Thank you.
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Look, I am not judging, as in condemning you. I feel like you have missed the overarching point here. The rationalization you give is that "The end justifies the means." That's something some folks find problematic. Also, how is this an example to other girls, women, people in general. The objectification of females, males, children is a very serious issue throughout the world. Why include yourself in this, especially given your future aspirations. Just one woman's POV.
 
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DokterMom said:
Is $300 a night not enough? I wouldn't risk your future career for the extra bucks now. If med school doesn't happen, strip then.
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Although in my opinion the selling of photos is dumber because I think that would actually be harder to keep a secret or deny.

Deniability is 3/5s of the law. Or something like that.
 
To echo @Law2Doc , perception becomes reality. It's not going to matter how honorable or well-meaning the OP would be (if this is a legitimate topic), there's a negative connotation associated with adult entertainment. If the OP shouldn't put the activity on a resume, then we're already making a judgment as to the activity itself.
 
As far as how much money you make, it depends on so many factors.

Some girls I knew would fly to Vegas and make so much money it more than made up for flight/lodging costs and the house fee. Although the Vegas circuit is pretty cutthroat. And last I knew you had to register somewhere in person in the state.
 
NotASerialKiller said:
What you're basically saying is that if 70% of strippers do coke and become prostitutes, that everyone who starts stripping has a 70% chance of this happening. That statistic though (whatever it is, pulled 70 out of nowhere), is not predictive. When you have additional information that is much more likely to be predictive, like future prospects and motivations to start stripping, it makes much more sense to use that as a judge of how "risky" it is.

The OP not becoming a hooker isn't "beating the odds", because her situation is completely different from the women who start stripping and then do those things to make even more money and numb the pain from their apparent crack-babies.

edit: Now it's exploding like I was hoping 😀
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While you are correct that OP isn't a statistic, the fact that she's focused on money and nice things and willing to strip to get them lowers the bar on the next option. It's a big step to go from say, a librarian to a stripper. It's a small step to go from dancing to lap dances, and then rubbing on people in a lap dance to rubbing people a bit more discretely for a few extra dollars. And so on. Most people don't do these jumps at once, they get lured in by the few more dollars on the table. And even if she doesn't take these steps lots of people are going to have that perception.
 
Maybe not for Loma Linda or LUCOM, but I'm OK with it.

My first girlfriend was a topless dancer. I am NOT making that up!


PikaDocGirl said:
Hi guys. This is a serious question. Long time lurker on these forums. I have competitive stats, but I need money. I've been offered jobs at bars and strip clubs (not prostitution, literally just dancing and/or selling shots/drinks).

I am hesitant to take any of these offers, because I'm not sure if this can come back to haunt me during med school applications or while in med school.

Would this ever be an issue?

Is there anyone out there who stripped before med school?
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Law2Doc said:
While you are correct that OP isn't a statistic, the fact that she's focused on money and nice things and willing to strip to get them lowers the bar on the next option. It's a big step to go from say, a librarian to a stripper. It's a small step to go from dancing to lap dances, and then rubbing on people in a lap dance to rubbing people a bit more discretely for a few extra dollars. And so on. Most people don't do these jumps at once, they get lured in by the few more dollars on the table. And even if she doesn't take these steps lots of people are going to have that perception.
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I agree with the perception issue, but we'll have to agree to disagree on the size of those jumps. I think going from dancing to doing something that can give you an STI is a huge one that isn't tempting for someone with real prospects.
 
Apollo1 said:
perception becomes reality.
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The same reason why lies become truths when said enough, why premeds exaggerate their ECs/hours, why people engage in fraud and get away, why maligning people is very effective, why propaganda becomes effective, why people stick with emotion first rather than reason etc.

People need to stop perceiving and to start actually seeing things for what they are.
 
Personally, I'd be more worried about what this kind of activity would do to me on the whole (as in holistically speaking) regardless of pursuing MS or not. But, in reality, to answer the original question, yes. There is the potential for it jumping up to bite you on the butt re: MS, residency, and future employment as a physician--as well as negatively affecting you in a myriad of other ways. No one is going to stop you, but you asked, so we shared. Still wondering if this is a troll thread.

It's been my parents' ardent desire, as well as my own for my children, to keep them off the pole and all that goes along with that. Personally, I think you could do better, and it would be wise for you if you did. But it's your life.
 
Law2Doc said:
While you are correct that OP isn't a statistic, the fact that she's focused on money and nice things and willing to strip to get them lowers the bar on the next option. It's a big step to go from say, a librarian to a stripper. It's a small step to go from dancing to lap dances, and then rubbing on people in a lap dance to rubbing people a bit more discretely for a few extra dollars. And so on. Most people don't do these jumps at once, they get lured in by the few more dollars on the table. And even if she doesn't take these steps lots of people are going to have that perception.
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Yep. It's a "slow fade....and people never crumble in a day." Not usually anyway.

Hmmm, haven't seen anyone share that they would be OK with their daughters doing this. Yes, we are just being prudish and self-righteous, and such things as dehumanizing people through objectification do not exist. 🙄
 
LOL, I'm sure it would OK if you just put some paint on it, as in a hot activity now in NYC.
 
Goro said:
My first girlfriend was a topless dancer. I am NOT making that up!
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NotASerialKiller said:
Patience is a virtue, and so is shakin' them tatas
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So who wants to join the heavy metal band I'm about to start called "Moral Turpitude"? :horns:

Meeehai said:
You are going to have to PM me those shots so I can scientifically analyze them and inform you whether or not you should apply.
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Crayola227 said:
Although in my opinion the selling of photos is dumber because I think that would actually be harder to keep a secret or deny.
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Uh, you guys. . . "selling shots in my bikini" means selling shots of alcohol at a bar while wearing a bikini, doesn't it? She's not standing around in a bar selling photos of herself wearing a bikini. Lol. How weird would that be?

Crayola227 said:
I love that no one has asked me how I know so much about the industry.
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It definitely crossed my mind, but I figured you would tell us if you wanted us to know.
 
The nonsense in this thread is quite remarkable.

Some of you have been watching too much Law & Order and Agatha Christie telefilm adaptations.
 
Cotterpin said:
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Uh, you guys. . . "selling shots in my bikini" means selling shots of alcohol at a bar while wearing a bikini, doesn't it? She's not standing around in a bar selling photos of herself wearing a bikini. Lol. How weird would that be?
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If it were flu shots it would make for a better premed EC...
 
Doudline said:
The nonsense in this thread is quite remarkable.

Some of you have been watching too much Law & Order and Agatha Christie telefilm adaptations.
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Law and Order is taken from newspaper headlines and actual happenings, and then the story lines are punched up. But based on patients you'll come across in medicine, some of those stories actually have much happier endings than real life.
 
Law2Doc said:
"World famous" means nobody on here would need to google her to see who you are talking about... Not sure that's the case...
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Come on. Everybody knows who Polly Matzinger is! 😏
 
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