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[hazelmoo]

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That's why I think Kam needs to go now, because we don't know for sure about Pink and at this point SF could bring back someone else to help and not waste it on someone who's death we could have prevented.

 

[Donut.vett]

Kam brought some important points up about Pink but I would feel bad voting for her solely because Kam thinks she's a wolf. I'm willing to waffle if we have concrete evidence that Pink has been lying.

 

[swiniazycie]

At this point I've come to peace with either Kam or Pink being lynched. Kam is on her own team with Pan. Pink is unknown at this point. Steph can bring back Pink if we mess up, if Kam goes we have to worry about a wolf among us but hopefully we'll still manage to get the wolf eventually.

We need Kam gone if she can use her abilities at all tonight. If there is another ability out there we need chaos gone.

I do not want to chance lynching a maybe wolf when we know we have a non villager.

 

[Devastating]

Lynch tally, correct me if I'm wrong guys:

Pink (3): ketoone, rocky, kcough
Kam (3): Hmoo, Pink, steph

6/12 voting

Missing: Devastating, STB, Mouse, Teeps, Kam, swini

I voted for Kam!
And stand by my vote. I still think getting Chaos out is more important due to the nature of their win conditions. I honestly don't care if one more villager dies tonight (even me), because then oh well we can get Pink out and still win.

 

[KCgophervet]

Updated lynch tally, correct me if I'm wrong:

Pink (4): ketoone, rocky, kcough, kam
Kam (6): hmoo, pink, steph, swini, deva
Mouse (1): teep

11/12
Missing: @Mouse2106

 

[dyachei]

Updated lynch tally, correct me if I'm wrong:

Pink (4): ketoone, rocky, kcough, kam
Kam (6): hmoo, pink, steph, swini, deva, stb
Mouse (1): teep

11/12
Missing: @Mouse2106

****
keeps getting left off
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[hazelmoo]

Updated lynch tally, correct me if I'm wrong:

Pink (4): ketoone, rocky, kcough, kam
Kam (6): hmoo, pink, steph, swini, stb, deva
Mouse (1): teep

11/12
Missing: @Mouse2106

 

[KCgophervet]

We need Kam gone if she can use her abilities at all tonight. If there is another ability out there we need chaos gone.

I do not want to chance lynching a maybe wolf when we know we have a non villager.

At this point changing my vote won't change the outcome. I get the logic, I just fear wolves more than chaos...

 

[Kam325]

We need Kam gone if she can use her abilities at all tonight. If there is another ability out there we need chaos gone.

I do not want to chance lynching a maybe wolf when we know we have a non villager.

Everyone else who has had a shadow stolen can confirm it only lasted for one night. Rocky's was the last shadow I was able to steal. I was not able to use it last night, since night moves were blocked for everyone.

My night move was also blocked. That move is to steal a shadow. So, there is no way I would have been able to steal another ability last night.

 

[KCgophervet]

Everyone else who has had a shadow stolen can confirm it only lasted for one night. Rocky's was the last shadow I was able to steal. I was not able to use it last night, since night moves were blocked for everyone.

My night move was also blocked. That move is to steal a shadow. So, there is no way I would have been able to steal another ability last night.

But do you still have Rocky's ability? Since you couldn't use it? Perhaps...

 

[Teepster87]

Reading through some of the longer evidence listing posts, I do think that it's down to either me or pink being the wolf. And unless I've completely fooled myself, I'm not the wolf.


Unlynch mouse, Lynch Kam.

We'll get the wolf tomorrow (like always it seems. We're such procrastinators).

 

[deleted676737]

We need Kam gone if she can use her abilities at all tonight. If there is another ability out there we need chaos gone.

I do not want to chance lynching a maybe wolf when we know we have a non villager.

This is sound enough. I'll switch my vote over. I am a little uncomfortable having a chaos with an ability just running around.

unlynch Pinkpuppy
lynch Kam

I figure, if nothing else, we can lynch Pink tomorrow (or maybe someone can kill her tonight).

 

[Kam325]

But do you still have Rocky's ability? Since you couldn't use it? Perhaps...

Rocky's ability is protective and can't be used on yourself. Rocky can confirm. Abilities I steal I only get to keep for one night, so I won't have it anymore, but even if I did I couldn't use it to protect myself. So it would be useless to me if the game continued, which it wouldn't.

 

[KCgophervet]

Updated lynch tally, correct me if I'm wrong:

Pink (3): rocky, kcough, kam
Kam (8): hmoo, pink, steph, swini, stb, deva, teep, ketoone

11/12
Missing: @Mouse2106

 

[KCgophervet]

Reading through some of the longer evidence listing posts, I do think that it's down to either me or pink being the wolf. And unless I've completely fooled myself, I'm not the wolf.

Unlynch mouse, Lynch Kam.

We'll get the wolf tomorrow (like always it seems. We're such procrastinators).

Not gonna lie, this makes me suspicious of you...
You deliberately voted for mouse randomly so you could decide later (decide which way the bandwagon was going and what was the safest vote?)
Also, I do fear that lynching kam will not give us any new information. Lynching pink would at least tell us something (she's a wolf or not). We already know what kam is, and that she needs to die (no offense kam).
But enough deliberation for me, I'm just ready to see what happens.

 

[Kam325]

Not gonna lie, this makes me suspicious of you...
You deliberately voted for mouse randomly so you could decide later (decide which way the bandwagon was going and what was the safest vote?)
Also, I do fear that lynching kam will not give us any new information. Lynching pink would at least tell us something (she's a wolf or not). We already know what kam is, and that she needs to die (no offense kam).
But enough deliberation for me, I'm just ready to see what happens.

This is an excellent point. Teep isn't the wolf (hazel can also confirm), but the rest is both smart and important.

 

[Teepster87]

Not gonna lie, this makes me suspicious of you...
You deliberately voted for mouse randomly so you could decide later (decide which way the bandwagon was going and what was the safest vote?)
Also, I do fear that lynching kam will not give us any new information. Lynching pink would at least tell us something (she's a wolf or not). We already know what kam is, and that she needs to die (no offense kam).
But enough deliberation for me, I'm just ready to see what happens.

Well I thought it would have been closer between Kam and pink, but it didn't seem it week be going that way. I was just curious to see what a tie at this critical junction would have resulted in.
I am excited to have us win ( the villagers), but I'm sad that it means the game will be over

 

[Teepster87]

Will** not week

 

[KCgophervet]

This is an excellent point. Teep isn't the wolf (hazel can also confirm), but the rest is both smart and important.

Oh Wendy, your flattery is sweet, but I don't think it will save you 🙂

 

[Kam325]

Eh well, your call to make at this point.

Can't say I didn't warn you.

 

[hazelmoo]

This is an excellent point. Teep isn't the wolf (hazel can also confirm), but the rest is both smart and important.

 

[Kam325]

I will note...Pink has conveniently disappeared from the conversation....exactly what Caiter's mentor advised her to do when the tide turned toward Steph and she found herself miraculously saved once again.

 

[finnickthedog]

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[Kam325]

Oh, and one more thing, for when (most of) you are making your lynch decision tomorrow....Pink should have known I was chaos, but didn't mention it to any of you. A few times over the last few days, I've gone back a liked, unliked, and then liked again a post of hers in an unrelated thread where she mentions "causing chaos". I wanted to indicate to her that I was going to try to protect her today. You can see the proof in my history. Last time was here:

Kam325 liked pinkpuppy9's post in the thread Popular blog post - harsh reality of vet med.
Definitely a lot about this clinic that was left out that could make a difference in the impression this post leaves me with. I'd like...

Today at 10:58 AM

 

[Kam325]

Oh, and one more thing, for when (most of) you are making your lynch decision tomorrow....Pink should have known I was chaos, but didn't mention it to any of you. A few times over the last few days, I've gone back a liked, unliked, and then liked again a post of hers in an unrelated thread where she mentions "causing chaos". I wanted to indicate to her that I was going to try to protect her today. You can see the proof in my history. Last time was here:

Kam325 liked pinkpuppy9's post in the thread Popular blog post - harsh reality of vet med.
Definitely a lot about this clinic that was left out that could make a difference in the impression this post leaves me with. I'd like...

Today at 10:58 AM

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...rsh-reality-of-vet-med.1117329/#post-16100903

 

[Filly Bay]

Alright! I am home and all caught up, but I have some questions.

Why are we so sure there is only one wolf left? I haven't seen anything to indicate this is fact and at this point in the game there is bound to be a convert or two. Kam, do you have any insight on this?

Second, SFsteph - you said you were going to use your ability last night. This morning you said your night action was blocked. You said yourself you could only use your night action once, so I think its gone. So, did you use your ability last night?

Also, Kam, since you admitted you made up Pink Puppy's ability, do you know what it actually is?

To be honest here, Pink Puppy has been near the top of my suspect list since day 1 but I never had any concrete evidence against her so I let it me. I don't act on "feels", I prefer logic. After rereading all of the events today, I think Kam is telling the truth. This morning her posts were sending up all sorts of red flags so I went and found all the evidence I could and thats when I made my long post (which led to Kam chaos bragging). Since then, her writing has gone back to her normal logical self and everything makes sense again. I really don't want to be duped by a chaos brag but it just makes sense to me.

However, I still can't decide what to do. I am worried that there are more wolves than just pink puppy. But I'm also nearly certain SFsteph's ability is gone so Kam probably can't bring back Peter Pan anymore and win. She could still cause some "chaos" tonight by stealing a villager's shadow. If we have anyone left who could block the actions of whichever (Kam or PP) we DON'T lynch tonight (whether its an ability or item), that would be awesome. Then we could lynch the other tomorrow. Lastly, after successfully leading the Caiter bandwagon yesterday and after helping to call out Kam today, I can feel a target growing on my back. @rockatiel, if you get your protection ability back tonight, I would really appreciate a hand over here. 🙂

 

[hazelmoo]

Stb, you bring up some good points... I am not 100% cleared of PP. I want to believe them, but they aren't hear to defend themselves so it's kind of hard to still somewhat trust them.
HOWEVER, I still think it is more important that Kam be lynched tonight due to her role as chaos. She has already told us everything she knows (supposedly), but she is not on our team regardless. I say we kill her, then lynch whoever we suspect as a wolf tomorrow. It isn't looking good for PP, but that is something I think we will be able to get more evidence for tonight... hopefully.

 

[Kam325]

As aside...is it possible that Mouse can only vo

Alright! I am home and all caught up, but I have some questions.

Why are we so sure there is only one wolf left? I haven't seen anything to indicate this is fact and at this point in the game there is bound to be a convert or two. Kam, do you have any insight on this?

Second, SFsteph - you said you were going to use your ability last night. This morning you said your night action was blocked. You said yourself you could only use your night action once, so I think its gone. So, did you use your ability last night?

Also, Kam, since you admitted you made up Pink Puppy's ability, do you know what it actually is?

To be honest here, Pink Puppy has been near the top of my suspect list since day 1 but I never had any concrete evidence against her so I let it me. I don't act on "feels", I prefer logic. After rereading all of the events today, I think Kam is telling the truth. This morning her posts were sending up all sorts of red flags so I went and found all the evidence I could and thats when I made my long post (which led to Kam chaos bragging). Since then, her writing has gone back to her normal logical self and everything makes sense again. I really don't want to be duped by a chaos brag but it just makes sense to me.

However, I still can't decide what to do. I am worried that there are more wolves than just pink puppy. But I'm also nearly certain SFsteph's ability is gone so Kam probably can't bring back Peter Pan anymore and win. She could still cause some "chaos" tonight by stealing a villager's shadow. If we have anyone left who could block the actions of whichever (Kam or PP) we DON'T lynch tonight (whether its an ability or item), that would be awesome. Then we could lynch the other tomorrow. Lastly, after successfully leading the Caiter bandwagon yesterday and after helping to call out Kam today, I can feel a target growing on my back. @rockatiel, if you get your protection ability back tonight, I would really appreciate a hand over here. 🙂

It was quite hard to find reasons to "suspect" hazel or dev or whoever else this morning...was hoping I didn't sound too idiotic, but clearly I failed. 😛

I don't know what Pink's actual ability is. I do know that "silencing" is not a real ability, since Hazel's came from Ketoone's stolen power, and mine was faked.

There are two reasons I'm almost positive we only have one wolf left.

First, in the write-up where Trilt was killed, we very clearly followed the actions of three wolves. At that point in the game, at least, I don't believe there were more than two wolves remaining after Trilt was killed. After Caiter, we're down to one.

I can also, in my spreadsheet, pretty much verify the villager-hood of every player besides you and Hazelmoo. You've been on point all game, so I can't imagine you're a wolf--it would have been too destructive for their side. Now that I've realized that Hazel claimed to be the villager who escaped in the wagon, and no one else has claimed that it was them, instead, I feel it's logical to believe that Hazel is a villager as well. The foursome are villagers, the threesome are villagers, and I (and Hazel) personally witnessed Teep's ability, which is relatively benign, seems appropriate for a villager, and fits for Christopher Robin, who has many forest friends. I've known Dev was a villager since she saw me and Peter meet up.

That leaves only Pink and Steph.

We verified that Steph was a villager by killing her. I know there's minor speculation that she could have been converted on resurrection, but I don't believe that makes sense for the game mechanic. I think players probably only convert on resurrection if they're resurrected based on their own abilities or character role. Lucy used an ability that was bestowed upon her to be an asset in order to resurrect Steph. It would be terribly unbalanced if this turned out to be the opposite of an asset and instead was designed to hurt her game.

So, that leaves Pink. Once she's dead, the game is over.

 

[hazelmoo]

I feel like I have said this 1,000,000,000 times. If PP is a wolf, we can lynch her tomorrow. Maybe the mods will tell us something more in their summary tonight. We can learn more tonight on who the wolf really is. If it is PP, we kill her. But there is no way to know that Kam doesn't have a trick up her sleeve to stay alive if we wait any longer. I think we need to get rid of Kam now before anything else. I am not sure there is only wolf left, in which case Kam could still win.
Bye Kam. I really do love you and I am sorry this is the way I feel that it needs to be!

 

[Filly Bay]

Lynch alohacat

I don't know what Pink's actual ability is. I do know that "silencing" is not a real ability, since Hazel's came from Ketoone's stolen power, and mine was faked.

😱 How did I miss this??

I can also, in my spreadsheet, pretty much verify the villager-hood of every player besides you and Hazelmoo. You've been on point all game, so I can't imagine you're a wolf--it would have been too destructive for their side.

I am most definitely a villager! (I think that is pretty clear at this point)
I agree with all your points of verifying each person's villager-hood (I have done the same). I just keep thinking I've missed something. (Paranoia has definitely set in)


Also, I just was going through my lynch list and here's who PinkPuppy has voted to lynch during this game:
Day 1: Aloha, Chordata
Day 2: Mouse
Day 3: Rocky
Day 4: SFsteph
Day 5: Rocky, Caiter (She was the very last one right before the lynch deadline)
Day 6: Kam

 

[hazelmoo]

Just in case anyone needed a good laugh..
HEY BON JOVI?!

 

[Filly Bay]

ingore the lynch aloha quote, I was starting to make my lynch list and then ended up replying to you first, Kam

 

[Kam325]

"If" PP is a wolf, she might be able to figure out a way tonight to avoid the lynch tomorrow--using an item, etc.. Then you're forced to lynch one of your own. That means you lose two more villagers before you can try to get her again--one tonight, one tomorrow night. If there IS a second wolf, it becomes much more likely that the WOLVES can win the whole thing. You have a shot tonight, if you lynch Pink, between an immediate win, or one wolf down and me still alive...I don't have any way to protect myself tomorrow, since I can't steal a shadow until tonight and can't use the shadow until the following night. So you could take me down tomorrow if that's the case.

 

[Filly Bay]

But what if I'm wrong about believing you and you do win if the last wolf is killed?

 

[Kam325]

"If" PP is a wolf, she might be able to figure out a way tonight to avoid the lynch tomorrow--using an item, etc.. Then you're forced to lynch one of your own. That means you lose two more villagers before you can try to get her again--one tonight, one tomorrow night. If there IS a second wolf, it becomes much more likely that the WOLVES can win the whole thing. You have a shot tonight, if you lynch Pink, between an immediate win, or one wolf down and me still alive...I don't have any way to protect myself tomorrow, since I can't steal a shadow until tonight and can't use the shadow until the following night. So you could take me down tomorrow if that's the case.

Oops, meant to delete "then you're forced to lynch one of your own", that's not the case if she has a lynch avoidance item. Sorry.

 

[Kam325]

But what if I'm wrong about believing you and you do win if the last wolf is killed?

That doesn't actually make a whole lot of sense as a win condition though, I don't think. Why would chaos win for exterminating one side only? Chaos is supposed to be a role about selfishness and balance.

 

[Filly Bay]

Okay, I'm going to go look at previous chaos win conditions from old games. I do feel better now that you've brought it up that you couldn't steal a shadow last night, so you can't do anything tonight besides steal a shadow (or use toys). From what I can tell, when you steal a shadow, its not til AFTER the person uses it that night too...(like with Rocky & Hmoo)
In the meantime,

Unlynch Kam
Lynch PinkPuppy

 

[pp9]

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/thr...rsh-reality-of-vet-med.1117329/#post-16100903

LOL HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO GET ANY OF THAT FROM YOU STALKING MY POST PAST?? Are you actually trying to be serious with that right now? You liked an old post twice, so that means I'm supposed to know you're Chaos, and that means I hid it from everyone else? I can't even treat that as something serious, Kam. I don't mean to be rude, but you have got to be kidding me.

Also, mods, isn't the game supposed to be played within this thread only (not including allowed PM's?) @StartingoverVet @Lupin21 ??

 

[pp9]

I will note...Pink has conveniently disappeared from the conversation....exactly what Caiter's mentor advised her to do when the tide turned toward Steph and she found herself miraculously saved once again.

I was with my tutor, actually.

 

[Kam325]

LOL HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO GET ANY OF THAT FROM YOU STALKING MY POST PAST?? Are you actually trying to be serious with that right now? You liked an old post twice, so that means I'm supposed to know you're Chaos, and that means I hid it from everyone else? I can't even treat that as something serious, Kam. I don't mean to be rude, but you have got to be kidding me.

Also, mods, isn't the game supposed to be played within this thread only (not including allowed PM's?) @StartingoverVet @Lupin21 ??

RULES:

NO PMing unless otherwise notified (Except with your mentor)

NO Editing posts (newbs must learn what to type and when)

NO Strategy Posting from the Dead. Dead posts must starred * or #, i.e.

 

[Kam325]

LOL HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO GET ANY OF THAT FROM YOU STALKING MY POST PAST?? Are you actually trying to be serious with that right now? You liked an old post twice, so that means I'm supposed to know you're Chaos, and that means I hid it from everyone else? I can't even treat that as something serious, Kam. I don't mean to be rude, but you have got to be kidding me.

Also, mods, isn't the game supposed to be played within this thread only (not including allowed PM's?) @StartingoverVet @Lupin21 ??

Also, did someone other than Pink send me the etch-a-sketch message I received yesterday? Dev, was it you? I assumed it was Pink confirming she'd gotten the message, since I got it *right* after liking the post *again*.

Will post picture now.

 

[pp9]

RULES:

NO PMing unless otherwise notified (Except with your mentor)

NO Editing posts (newbs must learn what to type and when)

NO Strategy Posting from the Dead. Dead posts must starred * or #, i.e.

I'm interested to see what the mods have to say. Besides, if you really wanted to play strategically, you should probably not pick a thread that was extremely popular and is still searched quite often. That was a really terrible attempt at revealing your identity, even before considering the fact that I never pay attention to who likes my posts/when. I normally only go see who quoted me

 

[Kam325]

Dev, was this you? At first I thought it was Alice or Annie until I realized I was being an idiot and A probably meant Anonymous.

 

[WildZoo]

Oh, and one more thing, for when (most of) you are making your lynch decision tomorrow....Pink should have known I was chaos, but didn't mention it to any of you. A few times over the last few days, I've gone back a liked, unliked, and then liked again a post of hers in an unrelated thread where she mentions "causing chaos". I wanted to indicate to her that I was going to try to protect her today. You can see the proof in my history. Last time was here:

Kam325 liked pinkpuppy9's post in the thread Popular blog post - harsh reality of vet med.
Definitely a lot about this clinic that was left out that could make a difference in the impression this post leaves me with. I'd like...

Today at 10:58 AM

If you did actually do this...you should know you're not supposed to communicate with other players outside the game thread about the game except as allowed (i.e. explicitly stated by the mods) If she picks up on something like that it is akin to you sending her a PM.

 

[Filly Bay]

Dev, was this you? At first I thought it was Alice or Annie until I realized I was being an idiot and A probably meant Anonymous.

That was not me.

 

[hazelmoo]

I'm just ready for this lynch day to be over :'(

 

[hazelmoo]

Wtfffff is that!!

 

[Kam325]

I'm interested to see what the mods have to say. Besides, if you really wanted to play strategically, you should probably not pick a thread that was extremely popular and is still searched quite often. That was a really terrible attempt at revealing your identity, even before considering the fact that I never pay attention to who likes my posts/when. I normally only go see who quoted me

Also would like to mention that this is not the first time you have cried "cheating". I did not break any of the rules, and I do not see why this would be cheating. We've already established that people can stalk each other's profiles, and mine is public. You can see my likes.

 

[pp9]

Also, did someone other than Pink send me the etch-a-sketch message I received yesterday? Dev, was it you? I assumed it was Pink confirming she'd gotten the message, since I got it *right* after liking the post *again*.

Will post picture now.

I didn't send or receive any messages last night. Too mysterious.

And A means a lot of things if you're a PLL fan.

I'm also quoting your post here so it's memorialized that you flat out broke the game rules:

Oh, and one more thing, for when (most of) you are making your lynch decision tomorrow....Pink should have known I was chaos, but didn't mention it to any of you. A few times over the last few days, I've gone back a liked, unliked, and then liked again a post of hers in an unrelated thread where she mentions "causing chaos". I wanted to indicate to her that I was going to try to protect her today. You can see the proof in my history. Last time was here:

Kam325 liked pinkpuppy9's post in the thread Popular blog post - harsh reality of vet med.
Definitely a lot about this clinic that was left out that could make a difference in the impression this post leaves me with. I'd like...

Today at 10:58 AM

 

[Kam325]

I'm interested to see what the mods have to say. Besides, if you really wanted to play strategically, you should probably not pick a thread that was extremely popular and is still searched quite often. That was a really terrible attempt at revealing your identity, even before considering the fact that I never pay attention to who likes my posts/when. I normally only go see who quoted me

I picked the post by searching to see if you had anything with the word "chaos" in it. Plus, if you claim you did not receive the message, clearly doesn't matter, right?