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weird comment as mel is paws pm buddy and you aren't and I feel like you have limited experience playing with paws

Pretty sure I played with Pawsy in past few games but I also read her posts in this game and didn't find them to be wolfy. Also I was following the last game and developed a meta read on her that she gets easily persuaded by wolves into making bad decisions. That seemed to translate here in this game.
 
You're refusing to look outside the WZ wagon. Do you know how many lynches it will take to get through everyone on there?

I'm not refusing anything, but I'm pointing out and emphasizing the WZ wagon was strange and shouldn't be dismissed. The WZ wagon serves as useful information for tracking down wolves.

There are other weird things going on such as Mel's diversion attempts to genny, you and Jayna that I noticed as well as some recent comments on Mel's ability to persuade people in chats regardless in affiliation. Those points are noted and I'm responding to them. But there are a lot of things for me to respond to now.
 
I'm not refusing anything, but I'm pointing out and emphasizing the WZ wagon was strange and shouldn't be dismissed. The WZ wagon serves as useful information for tracking down wolves.

There are other weird things going on such as Mel's diversion attempts to genny, you and Jayna that I noticed as well as some recent comments on Mel's ability to persuade people in chats regardless in affiliation. Those points are noted and I'm responding to them. But there are a lot of things for me to respond to now.

How many wolves maximum do you think were on the WZ wagon? Personally, Mel is walking and talking like Mel right now, so I'm not understanding the reasoning.
 
Idk now it looks weird because it was discussed, she never clarified, and there were a couple posts that didn't have the fun facts.

It is what you guys are speculating. Maybe a posting restriction doesn't have to be every post.

Unlynch Kara, lynch kal

Survival I guess. And my vote to lynch kara is fully out of annoyance with the same things that led most old players to quit WW entirely. Bad play like pushing for info on day 1, which has cost us many useful roles but has never to my recollection netted us a wolf. RNG is the best way to play day 1 per both statistics and past proof, even if it is boring. When the wolves have a massive early information advantage, pushing for information from fellow villagers that have none is just dumb and potentially risking roles that could easily be saved without being outed in the main thread, which is why it isn't a thing they do on most other mafia forums.

If you want a game to be interesting, do this noob garbage. If you want to win, RNG.

mmm disagree. Trying to decide whether this is a typical MJ thought or if you are just saying it this game.
 
lynch lawpy

you go for a vote that's not one of the main contenders, you acknowledge that MJ and Dubz are tied for the lead, you mention you would vote for MJ over Dubz but don't switch, and then you stick with your kal vote. Why were you so interested in staying on kal?

So you're voting me because I didn't want to vote for the leading lynch candidates? Remember, I only mentioned about MJ and WZ when I was specifically asked by Mel after my vote on YK.

Unlynch katasharky
Lynch youngkal

I don't like YK's reasons behind her vote on genny. They look opportunistic and irrational.

Looking back at her gameplay
It takes her 16 posts over 3 hours to put in a lynch vote, and when she does its a joke vote on FS.
During those three hours, Stagg started catching flak for his stance on D1 voting and WZ says the following on that topic


both of which read as her just subtly throwing sketch on Stagg to see if the sparks flying his way would catch fire, while trying to stay out of the limelight.

Like I said, you've triggered my suspicions in a situation where you could die, and still be brought back if I’m wrong. I'm capitalizing on that situation.


Cool. Got any thoughts on some of the people who are looking like viable lynch candidates?

Need to see an updated tally

Are MJ and WZ the only ones in the lead?

I then see a tally and found out MJ and WZ were in the lead.

Unofficial D1 Lynch Tally

Pippy (1) - FS
MJ (3) - AM, SAR, genny
Paws (2) - Finski, kara
Sporty (1) - Moose
Coffee? () -
AM (1) - dpmd
dolphin (1) - Jayna
Kara (1) - MJ
Jayna (2) - Coffee?, dolphin
genny (2) - Sporty, YK
Stagg (1) - jboo
jboo (2) - Stagg, Paws
WZ (3) - allie, Mel, Pippy
FS () -
Kal (2) - Snowy, lawpy
Katashark () -
dpmd (1) - kata

24/25 voting

I would lynch MJ over WZ. I don't have an accurate read on MJ's meta and I can't say his inactivity means he's village.

What this post means is if I had to choose between MJ and WZ, I'd pick MJ. But I wasn't in a situation where I had to pick between the two because these leading lynch candidates were only one vote ahead of the other possible candidates. I didn't feel inclined to vote for MJ or WZ over my current vote because I didn't think either of them are wolfier than YK. Why should I have to vote for a leading lynch candidate who's leading by one vote over my current vote when I don't think that leading lynch candidate is wolfier?

I stuck with YK because I thought her reasons for her genny vote were opportunistic and vague. I didn't like her reasons and they felt worse than what MJ or WZ had done. I'm not sure why I'm getting criticized for sticking with my vote on who I think is wolfy. It looks like I'm getting criticized because I didn't think either of the leading lynch candidates were wolfier than my current vote, which is odd.
 
How many wolves maximum do you think were on the WZ wagon? Personally, Mel is walking and talking like Mel right now, so I'm not understanding the reasoning.

Probably 2 max. There is at least one wolf on that wagon. If "Mel is walking and talking like Mel" is referring to something about his meta, I have no idea because I don't know how to clearly distinguish between his wolf play and village play. I'm just going by his behavior in the current game.
 
Unofficial D2 lynch tally
Mel(2)- MJ, Sporty
Jayna (1)- Mel
Lawper (6)- YK, AM, KB, SAR, Lawper, Jboo
Staggs (1) - Pippy
dolphin (1) - Coffee?
11/23
Lynch close ~5.5 hours
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Noted this because allieh popped in and promptly left. I recall noting she did this in a previous game, so it might just be her meta.

hmm forgot allie was playing..

@Melchizedek
I don't have many updated thoughts since my post this afternoon. I stand by those reads.
Dubs is all over the place this afternoon it seems like, which kinda feels like a wolf scrambling to see what they can get to stick.
Pippy seems...off? I've only played a couple games with her but she seems less 'guns blazing' than normal. I'm not sure how to read it yet, but just something I made note of. We were both wolf manators in the last noob game so she got to see a little of my gameplay advice then and I saw hers. Her play style (almost reckless) is like exactly opposite from mine and I view her as a loose cannon/risky no matter what side she's on since I can't predict what she'll do next, haha.

The more pips posts and the more pushy she is, makes me think she's wolfy. Less guns blazing would lean her more village-y for now.

tear tear bye guys

🙄 dramatic much?
 


Your vote on genny looked suspiciously opportunistic.


Reason 2 didn't make any sense to me and I didn't get much clarification. Reason 1 looks opportunistic. Prior to your vote, the tally was this:


There were 5 players with 2 votes each but you decided to go for genny. Now look at Sporty and Snowy votes on genny:
Sporty's vote was a joke on early D1.
Your vote was just placed simply because there were already two votes on genny and your vote came later on D1. That felt opportunistic. Reason 2 didn't make much sense. And in Reason 3, you seemed to strongly feel genny is a good wolf and didn't want to risk it for whatever reason that went unexplained. And note that AM thought your vote was odd:


When I made my vote on D1, I was thinking in terms of the most suspicious and odd players, and your vote on genny that looked opportunistic and vague was what bothered me. .

Okay but why is my vote the only D1 that is bothering you? It’s D1 votes are usually vague or RNG-ed.... I didnt want to spread it out anymore by just picking someone random. I held a grudge on Genny (and Mel) for pocketing me in the last game I played PMs (basically they both blew up a bunch of smoke in an attempt to gain my trust and use me as a pawn, they were both wolves and got me to change my votes and ask things on the thread). If someone else can explain pocketing better that would be appreciated. What besides my vote sketched you that you still feel the need to be looking at me harder? You got on my vote iirc when I had votes before they unlynched me.

Ive seen wolves pick a player D1 and continually go after them and convince others that they seem fishy quite often rather than moving around each day, especially early.

You have been less active than I’ve seen except for the one time you were a wolf, maybe you learned to keep it in more or maybe you are blowing up a chat.

I had planned on staying on Genny b/c she’s a dangerous wolf and could be a dangerous convert if that happened this game. Yes it sucks losing village as well but I see her as dangerous because she’s good so if I had to vote thats what I did.

Besides my vote from yesterday, keep in mind I self-preserved and only because @StayingPositive2017 sent me a reminder to check if we were slow at work, what makes me sketch that you want to keep any eye on me?

Also I dont follow any other players votes, and I definitely wouldnt if I was a wolf. I’m not sure what you are trying to get at there.

I do agree that there is probably a wolf or two on either mine or WZ lynch, easy to blend in on day one.
 
Probably 2 max. There is at least one wolf on that wagon. If "Mel is walking and talking like Mel" is referring to something about his meta, I have no idea because I don't know how to clearly distinguish between his wolf play and village play. I'm just going by his behavior in the current game.

And which two are most likely to be wolves?
 
I still can't get over my weirdness vibea about Lawpy from yesterday after lynch. Just weirdly sketchy to me. Since I'm heading out to the land of mountains and sketchy service, I'm putting my vote in now but hope to be able to catch up at least once today

Lynch Lawpy

So your vote on me is because of weird vibes? You also had weird vibes on few others here
 
🙄 dramatic much?

Yes but when I’m constantly up for the D1 lynch and I have to role reveal just to keep playing I get a little salty. Almost been lynched on D1 in 3/5 games Ive played...
 
Yes but when I’m constantly up for the D1 lynch and I have to role reveal just to keep playing I get a little salty. Almost been lynched on D1 in 3/5 games Ive played...

Just provide more content throughout the day and it will happen less.
 
If WZ is village, I'm going after those last minute bandwagoners.

If WZ is wolf, good job for the last minute lynch.

I can't put my finger on it, but really don't like this post

Colorado has the highest mean altitude of all the states.
 
Paws sent you a reminder?

Yes on FB messages, I asked her to shoot me a message around 9 so I could get on and change if I saw something beneficial and we were slow enough at work. I dont watch the clock at work so I would have missed it but my Apple Watch gets FB notifications. I can post a pic...
 
Yes on FB messages, I asked her to shoot me a message around 9 so I could get on and change if I saw something beneficial and we were slow enough at work. I dont watch the clock at work so I would have missed it but my Apple Watch gets FB notifications. I can post a pic...

You don't have to post anything. Was just wondering.
 
Villagers don't need to be aware. They just are who they are. Why are you trying to fly under the radar?
Well you thought I was a wolf instead of village so I thought I’d ask. I’m not trying to fly under the radar anymore, I was just to get a feel for the game and didn’t want to seem too dumb. But last night after the waffling into today I was just more busy than anything. Then had a lot of messages to get through. Then you know you voted so i wanted to see what I did that made you lean that way was all.
 
So your vote on me is because of weird vibes? You also had weird vibes on few others here

Yes it is and yes I did. I am starting to feel a little better about you since you've actually started defending yourself today but I'm still hung up a bit on your earlier behaviour.

Of the others, one was proved villager, one I stated I could read either way, and as for Mel - can read either way for me again. I'm keeping my vote where it is for now, but I wouldn't say it's firmly set on you.

And if your issue is that my lynching is based on feels, that's my usual game. I play WW fast and loose since I have a terrible memory and don't usually make a spreadsheet (especially in games like this where I'm out of town and without a computer to start). So feels is mostly what I end up going off of.
 
That still makes them bandwagoners, especially when they decide to act on it with two ****ing minutes to go

AM likes to do last minute switches - thats pretty normal of her village or wolf self. Don't know about others, but I find generally last minute switches are more village-y because they draw attention to that person and unless you play risky like mel or pippy most wolves avoid those situations.

You know what I hate more than a blindside? Getting blindsided by a last minute counterwagon to lynch a villager

Contingency lynch Mel

I'm also going after AM, Jayna and Pawsy.

Also going after youngkal

So pretty much everyone on WZ's lynch is suspect because she flipped village.. That makes sense.. 🙄

It's irritating but I'm glad the wolves exposed themselves in that last minute counterlynch.

Lol at this post

Wolves are likely aware WZ is a strong player and want to seize the opportunity to get rid of her. I'm just upset that some villagers thought it's a good idea to last minute switch onto WZ without reason

But really you are being dramatic. Villagers lynch villagers all the time. Sure one of them may be a wolf but not all of them and that list of people who voted for WZ does not "expose the wolves" because not all the wolves would probably be on the same D1 lynch.

There are nearly 20 rivers whose headwaters begin in Colorado, with the Continental Divide directing each river's course.
 
Don't know about others, but I find generally last minute switches are more village-y because they draw attention to that person and unless you play risky like mel or pippy most wolves avoid those situations.

I typically agree with this. But it can alsi lead you deep down the path of wifom
 
You're refusing to look outside the WZ wagon. Do you know how many lynches it will take to get through everyone on there?

Follow up to AM's question, who outside of the WZ wagon are you looking at?

Pretty sure I played with Pawsy in past few games but I also read her posts in this game and didn't find them to be wolfy. Also I was following the last game and developed a meta read on her that she gets easily persuaded by wolves into making bad decisions. That seemed to translate here in this game.

ok, granted most of my impression of you is from spec chats and you not paying much attention. Normally expect pm partners to speak up for someone else which is probably where most of my feeling is coming from as you weren't one


So you're voting me because I didn't want to vote for the leading lynch candidates? Remember, I only mentioned about MJ and WZ when I was specifically asked by Mel after my vote on YK.


you were already leaning wolf for me prior to this and then your unwillingness to break a tie even when pressured, sure. But like I said, I don't like the speed you gained traction so for now

unlynch lawpy
 
Okay but why is my vote the only D1 that is bothering you? It’s D1 votes are usually vague or RNG-ed.... I didnt want to spread it out anymore by just picking someone random. I held a grudge on Genny (and Mel) for pocketing me in the last game I played PMs (basically they both blew up a bunch of smoke in an attempt to gain my trust and use me as a pawn, they were both wolves and got me to change my votes and ask things on the thread). If someone else can explain pocketing better that would be appreciated. What besides my vote sketched you that you still feel the need to be looking at me harder? You got on my vote iirc when I had votes before they unlynched me.


Because the reasons behind your vote didn't make sense and looked opportunistic. And thanks for clarifying the pocket thing now but that could've helped back in D1.

Also I don't know what you're talking about in the bold?

Official Final D1 Lynch Tally

Pippy (1) - FS
MJ (2) - SAR, genny
Paws (1) - kara
Sporty (1) - Moose
Coffee? () -
AM (1) - dpmd
dolphin (1) - Jayna
Kara () -
Jayna (2) - Coffee?, dolphin
genny (1) - Sporty
Stagg (1) - jboo
jboo (1) - Stagg
WZ (6) - allie, Mel, Pippy, YK,AM, Paws
FS () -
Kal (5) - Snowy, lawpy, MJ, WZ, Finski
Katashark () -
dpmd (1) - kata

24/25 voting
Check your votes!

Snowy still had her vote on you.

Ive seen wolves pick a player D1 and continually go after them and convince others that they seem fishy quite often rather than moving around each day, especially early.

Ok, this can be explained for anything here. Even for WZ's wagon.

You have been less active than I’ve seen except for the one time you were a wolf, maybe you learned to keep it in more or maybe you are blowing up a chat.

How are you comparing activity? Because right now, I'm in the similar situation way back in WWhisk and the Noob games as village where I posted frequently in D1 and D2 and ended up dying. Even in the speed game, I was active and still made dumb moves that landed me in trouble. This is just another case of derpy Lawpy.


I had planned on staying on Genny b/c she’s a dangerous wolf and could be a dangerous convert if that happened this game. Yes it sucks losing village as well but I see her as dangerous because she’s good so if I had to vote thats what I did.


This is probably a better reason than what you provided in D1. Again, I'm talking about why I voted you in D1 based on what I saw from your vote on D1. The extra D2 clarifications help but I didn't have them in D1.

Besides my vote from yesterday, keep in mind I self-preserved and only because @StayingPositive2017 sent me a reminder to check if we were slow at work, what makes me sketch that you want to keep any eye on me?

The interactions between you and Pawsy are beyond the scope of the game. I maintained my vote on you because I didn't think MJ and WZ were wolfier than you in D1.

Also I dont follow any other players votes, and I definitely wouldnt if I was a wolf. I’m not sure what you are trying to get at there.

I'm just saying it looked opportunistic in the way you went after genny. I was comparing the reasons behind your votes and other players' votes to show differences in timing, seriousness etc. Your vote on genny was the most serious.

I do agree that there is probably a wolf or two on either mine or WZ lynch, easy to blend in on day one. .

Ok
 
you were already leaning wolf for me prior to this and then your unwillingness to break a tie even when pressured, sure. But like I said, I don't like the speed you gained traction so for now

unlynch lawpy

The leading lynch candidates were only one vote ahead of my current lynch candidate and I didn't think either of them were wolfier than YK. That's why I didn't change my vote to MJ or WZ. If the difference in votes were significant (say MJ and WZ having 6 votes and YK had 2 including mine), your argument would have merit. 3-2 difference is marginal.
 
Well you thought I was a wolf instead of village so I thought I’d ask. I’m not trying to fly under the radar anymore, I was just to get a feel for the game and didn’t want to seem too dumb. But last night after the waffling into today I was j
Not wanting roles or anything, she just seems convinced.
I guess I gotta retalitorily lynch JaynaAli since I got called out for being the mystery card.
Thought I could fly under the radar a little longer. Drat! 😕

Oh okay that makes sense! Well I’ll try and do better. I ended up being busier than anticipated. But I don’t wanna be sketch when I’m not trying to be. I’d rather be doing it deliberately with a strategy.

I suspected you might’ve done that just as a let me pick a random noob. I am considering withdrawing my retaliation Lynch solely based on your Porpoise pun. Because I appreciate puns. :thinking:

Well I just got through all the posts that I missed, hopefully getting all of the backwards post read correctly. 😵 But I don’t think Lawpy is a wolf, just seems mad at the situation of being lynched and gave up. I did think all the last minute waffling was odd and was super lost for a minute there. Because I was going to unlynch Jayna but the votes got more distinct and I was just trying to follow the waffles. 😕 So I’m still thinking on all those last minute peeps.

Well I don’t know everyone’s normal game play and personalities in general but I was initially thinking Mel, but I believe someone else pointed out that is just their normal. So not completely convinced.

I am doing this on my phone so please excuse the weird quote order.

--Retalitory lynch Jayna
--Comment about trying to stay under the radar.. Doesn't want to be unintentionally sketchy except for strategizing? One, nobody *wants* to be sketchy, 2, I haven't seen any strategizing from her yet
--Quick to get on after my tag
--After getting on, said nothing except wondering why i think she is sketch and saying last night was to confusing to do anything, then saying Mel is sketch w/o reason
--Not to mention, didn't move her retalitory lynch even after saying she would
--Hasn't even denied it
 
I am doing this on my phone so please excuse the weird quote order.

--Retalitory lynch Jayna
--Comment about trying to stay under the radar.. Doesn't want to be unintentionally sketchy except for strategizing? One, nobody *wants* to be sketchy, 2, I haven't seen any strategizing from her yet
--Quick to get on after my tag
--After getting on, said nothing except wondering why i think she is sketch and saying last night was to confusing to do anything, then saying Mel is sketch w/o reason
--Not to mention, didn't move her retalitory lynch even after saying she would
--Hasn't even denied it
Some might remember I was a noob wolf. There is an extra sense of caution, not looming to take chances. All the signs are here.
 
I’m slightly skeptical of Lawpy. Some of his posts are how he played as a wolf. Especially the one when he complains about getting on too late at lynch close (like you know when to get on, not being able to is different). Idk it just rubbed me the wrong way. I’ll do a read when i get up (afternoon).

I also find it odd that he complained about my reasons for Genny when it’s D1 and no one really had a strong reason and there were lots of votes without explanation. Why get hung up that i provided some reason for my pick and then say that they were sketchy

Contingency Lynch Lawper

Hmm good thoughts on this is what he does as a wolf. I don't remember playing with Lawpy, but his posts have been giving me slight feels - though I was starting to lean towards noob behaviour with all his melodramatic focus on "why would you guys be manipulated to lynch dubz, everyone on her lynch is probably a wolf"

I couldn't tell if Paws saying she was ready to tell me her "deepest darkest secret" was a joke or her saying she was going to role reveal to me. Paws seems to inherently trust us both so if she WAS ready to role reveal and she didn't to me, then my next guess would be she role revealed to you, not just because you're her other PM buddy but also because she was putting out indications that she trusted you.
Your play has been reading village to me, so it was just a passing thought, but I wanted your comments in a public manner, since apparently everyone is afraid of me in PM's lol.
Currently looking closer at Lawper for his melodrama last night, Jboo (Coffee? knows why. I'm currently mobile and don't feel like going back to quote my theory, will do in a bit), and as previously stated Jayna (but to a much lesser extent now).

If I'm thinking of the right person, I believe paws has been a wolf quite a few times which would make me think she'd be more careful in PMs.
 
I am doing this on my phone so please excuse the weird quote order.

--Retalitory lynch Jayna
--Comment about trying to stay under the radar.. Doesn't want to be unintentionally sketchy except for strategizing? One, nobody *wants* to be sketchy, 2, I haven't seen any strategizing from her yet
--Quick to get on after my tag
--After getting on, said nothing except wondering why i think she is sketch and saying last night was to confusing to do anything, then saying Mel is sketch w/o reason
--Not to mention, didn't move her retalitory lynch even after saying she would
--Hasn't even denied it

This is a very valid argument. Quoting this to keep in mind for myself. Officially going through service pockets now
 
Why will you self-vote again at the end of the day regardless?

I didn't want to cause further trouble for the village and distract them from hunting wolves with my derpy play 🙁

Hopefully I won't end up doing that. I'm looking into other players and analyzing/ISOing but I don't want to be a derpy nuisance for village.
 
Yes it is and yes I did. I am starting to feel a little better about you since you've actually started defending yourself today but I'm still hung up a bit on your earlier behaviour.

Of the others, one was proved villager, one I stated I could read either way, and as for Mel - can read either way for me again. I'm keeping my vote where it is for now, but I wouldn't say it's firmly set on you.

And if your issue is that my lynching is based on feels, that's my usual game. I play WW fast and loose since I have a terrible memory and don't usually make a spreadsheet (especially in games like this where I'm out of town and without a computer to start). So feels is mostly what I end up going off of.

Okay I wasn't sure why you were voting me but thanks for the explanation
 
I didn't want to cause further trouble for the village and distract them from hunting wolves with my derpy play 🙁

Hopefully I won't end up doing that. I'm looking into other players and analyzing/ISOing but I don't want to be a derpy nuisance for village.

Voting yourself if you're village hurts the village more than any other move will. Village numbers are extremely important.
 
Interested to see if there are weather reports in future write-ups. So we have a killer horse or horseshoe wielding wolf and genny's missing. Is this like that role in this most recent noob game?

Reminder to myself to read the write-ups instead of just skimming to see who died.
 
So pretty much everyone on WZ's lynch is suspect because she flipped village.. That makes sense.. 🙄



Lol at this post



But really you are being dramatic. Villagers lynch villagers all the time. Sure one of them may be a wolf but not all of them and that list of people who voted for WZ does not "expose the wolves" because not all the wolves would probably be on the same D1 lynch.

There are nearly 20 rivers whose headwaters begin in Colorado, with the Continental Divide directing each river's course.

I wasn't a fan of literal last minute switches that basically lynched a villager. And yeah, some are villagers who made a mistake for whatever reason, but the point was to show that counterwagon was incredibly shady and why I don't think they're all village. I clarified and expanded on my comments with several posts.
 
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