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I am breaking my own rules and putting this in spoilers because tinfoil is in full force but I have to get it out

Let's start with: if Moose just had a triple kill night ability, why didn't the wolves use it when she started garnering suspicion? From the looks of things, a smart pack would have used it N3. That is still bothering me. So, let us consider other options.

D3, Moose gets a fair bit of heat. AM and Mel both stay on her lynch throughout the day, continue to push after lynch close. AM and Mel are both in Coffee's group. So whether because there was pressure for her to do so or because she knew she could pull credit for it with Moose likely to go down anyway, she "seers" her and reports OMG! TRIPLE KILL! ...Leaving out the part where the triple kill actually would occur when Moose was lynched. But surprise, there's a vig and Moose goes down without getting to use her ability. Bummer. I am not currently sure what that means for Stagg - back to a wolf who slipped in his interpretation of a fellow wolf's ability? Just a noob who had been doing some reading? Idk.

Don't know how much various people knew about what kind of results Coffee was getting, don't know who was involved in her deciding to seer Moose, that is probably important, but anyway. That's where my head went.

I mean, perhaps the easier explanation is whoever is claiming affiliation seer is lying with supreme boldness, but I'm just a little ticked off at the smoke and mirrors and the wasted time right now.
 
WildZoo said:
PMs with dolphin? Wut?
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Dolphin was my PM partner after Allie was killed the first time. This interaction between me and her happened (pay attention to the bolded:

Me: "What do you think about that D1 lynch and Lawper's reaction?"
Me: "Also, I noticed when AM said she had "good reasons" to not lynch you. Any idea what she was talking about? I re-read the events right before the lynch where she said "think hard about this" and all I'm seeing are flimsy hunches. Got a solid idea as to what this was about?"

Dolphin: "So the D1 thing was weird, I’d only ever watched one game and it was sporadically. So seeing how quickly things got to the point they did was a shock. And I didn’t really think there was enough to go on for WZ to be lynched. I found Lawpers post normal to me bc I don’t know if I saw all those votes for me I might be kinda upset and defeated as well. But that’s noob me. Seeing how fast it can change tho like D2 for me, I now realize it was a little unnecessary for Lawper to be all self defeating."
Dolphin: "Well to me it’s obvious that I’m village, but I don’t know completely. I haven’t reallly figured you out personally to want to be divulging all this information. How do I know you’re not a wolf?"

Me: "You don't, but I don't think I've been particularly wolfy, despite the feels some people seem to be getting. I'm asking because there were some shady events surrounding you and the D2 lynch. Not specifically on your part, but one of my top candidates as a wolf was heavily involved, and I'm not comfortable with how things went down. The events just don't add up to me.

I'll be open with you, I'm going to go back and look into you more because of those events, but you're not coming off as wolf to me and never really did. You're in my neutral/leaning village camp right now with most other people. Which is part of why that whole exchange seemed so strange. I was just wondering if you had any idea what people were talking about. Not asking for a role reveal or anything, but Coffee and AM in particular felt off..." (again, ending the comment with ...).

Dolphin: Well to fully answer your question to where it would make sense I’d have to role reveal. But I trust AM and am super shady with Coffee. Especially of what’s happening currently in the thread

Me: I'm not going to ask you to role or ability reveal, but if you actually do have an ability I'd be careful about making that comment unless you really think I'm village. AM is still near the top of my wolf list, but I'm not going to be voting for her today because there are still some questions from/about her I need answered before I'm willing to lynch. I'd like to get a better feel as to why she's been riding Moose so hard, especially when people she seems to be seeing as village (not me, lol) aren't agreeing with her. Coffee was pretty neutral to me before, but a few things he's done/been involved with made me raise an eyebrow, and this mornings events have moved him into the sketch zone for me. There are a few people above him on my list right now, but I could be persuaded to go for a Coffee lynch depending on how this exchange ends up, as Moose is not reading as sketchy to me as everyone keeps claiming.

I also find Pippy's death to be very curious. Seeing her ability, I can guess what happened, but she's not who I would have guessed would be a target...


After Dolphin died, we found out her ability was to role reveal to 1 other player. I believe she role revealed to AM, which is why AM gave the very vague answer of "Very good reasons" when pressed on why she was waffling off of Dolphin. After Dolphin's death, that's also why I have started trusting AM and Coffee. Because Coffee saw that Dolphin had a "role reveal" ability, but may have thought it was wolfy and required statements from AM to change his mind.
 
Stagg737 said:
Dolphin was my PM partner after Allie was killed the first time. This interaction between me and her happened (pay attention to the bolded:

Me: "What do you think about that D1 lynch and Lawper's reaction?"
Me: "Also, I noticed when AM said she had "good reasons" to not lynch you. Any idea what she was talking about? I re-read the events right before the lynch where she said "think hard about this" and all I'm seeing are flimsy hunches. Got a solid idea as to what this was about?"

Dolphin: "So the D1 thing was weird, I’d only ever watched one game and it was sporadically. So seeing how quickly things got to the point they did was a shock. And I didn’t really think there was enough to go on for WZ to be lynched. I found Lawpers post normal to me bc I don’t know if I saw all those votes for me I might be kinda upset and defeated as well. But that’s noob me. Seeing how fast it can change tho like D2 for me, I now realize it was a little unnecessary for Lawper to be all self defeating."
Dolphin: "Well to me it’s obvious that I’m village, but I don’t know completely. I haven’t reallly figured you out personally to want to be divulging all this information. How do I know you’re not a wolf?"

Me: "You don't, but I don't think I've been particularly wolfy, despite the feels some people seem to be getting. I'm asking because there were some shady events surrounding you and the D2 lynch. Not specifically on your part, but one of my top candidates as a wolf was heavily involved, and I'm not comfortable with how things went down. The events just don't add up to me.

I'll be open with you, I'm going to go back and look into you more because of those events, but you're not coming off as wolf to me and never really did. You're in my neutral/leaning village camp right now with most other people. Which is part of why that whole exchange seemed so strange. I was just wondering if you had any idea what people were talking about. Not asking for a role reveal or anything, but Coffee and AM in particular felt off..." (again, ending the comment with ...).

Dolphin: Well to fully answer your question to where it would make sense I’d have to role reveal. But I trust AM and am super shady with Coffee. Especially of what’s happening currently in the thread

Me: I'm not going to ask you to role or ability reveal, but if you actually do have an ability I'd be careful about making that comment unless you really think I'm village. AM is still near the top of my wolf list, but I'm not going to be voting for her today because there are still some questions from/about her I need answered before I'm willing to lynch. I'd like to get a better feel as to why she's been riding Moose so hard, especially when people she seems to be seeing as village (not me, lol) aren't agreeing with her. Coffee was pretty neutral to me before, but a few things he's done/been involved with made me raise an eyebrow, and this mornings events have moved him into the sketch zone for me. There are a few people above him on my list right now, but I could be persuaded to go for a Coffee lynch depending on how this exchange ends up, as Moose is not reading as sketchy to me as everyone keeps claiming.

I also find Pippy's death to be very curious. Seeing her ability, I can guess what happened, but she's not who I would have guessed would be a target...


After Dolphin died, we found out her ability was to role reveal to 1 other player. I believe she role revealed to AM, which is why AM gave the very vague answer of "Very good reasons" when pressed on why she was waffling off of Dolphin. After Dolphin's death, that's also why I have started trusting AM and Coffee. Because Coffee saw that Dolphin had a "role reveal" ability, but may have thought it was wolfy and required statements from AM to change his mind.
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I'm confused though, dolphin wasn't in your group
 
And regardless of that, I'm confused about how that means that Coffee's posts check out but maybe I'm just tired

Edit: reread, I get what you're saying now, but I'm pretty sure Coffee claimed she never seered dolphin
 
WildZoo said:
Dolphin was in Springfield. You are in Dinosaur.
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You are right.

@MixedAnimals77 , @capri1722 , @vetmedhead , Why didn't you stop me from PM'ing with Dolpin? This is another reason why I was confused about Jayna PMing with AM.

Can we get the mods here to confirm I was PM'ing Dolphin, because that's a seriously large mistake by the mods letting that happen...
 
Is there a chance village would have 2 seers if we do have 2 seers (and one isn't lying)? Just considering a triple wolf kill could be a huge overpower in most games I'm used to. Or are we fairly sure that one would be wolf?
 
WildZoo said:
Hey @CoffeeQuestionMark I'm sorry if you already answered this and it got buried, when did you seer MOOSE and what were you exact results? Trying to put together a timeline.

Also if you have someone you can PM who you have seered I hope you have given them your other results. In case you end up deaded.
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I still say this is fishing..

WildZoo said:
This is tempting for my tunnel-loving heart. Honestly don't think I can objectively evaluate them though because I can't reread that day without going full rage lol even knowing now that both Kal and I were village, so it definitely wasn't an attempt to save a fellow wolf. I just still don't understand flipping the vote onto me when I had been around and responding, and Kal had just showed up and thrown in the towel/not even defended.

The only impetus I see is because cheezit said so, and I don't care how many times he said they had already talked about it, if the others felt that strongly about it they should have changed their votes then, not with two minutes to go.
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So what are your thoughts on Mel?
 
SARdoghandler said:
Is there a chance village would have 2 seers if we do have 2 seers (and one isn't lying)? Just considering a triple wolf kill could be a huge overpower in most games I'm used to. Or are we fairly sure that one would be wolf?
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Depends on so many factors that I don't even care to speculate. This is why I don't lynch based on abilities.

Edit: I mean, unless the ability is "can kill three villagers" lol
 
Also I see I'm leading, but trying to catch up during my break so don't know why I'm ahead. Better not just be for not being here.
 
Stagg737 said:
You are right.

@MixedAnimals77 , @capri1722 , @vetmedhead , Why didn't you stop me from PM'ing with Dolpin? This is another reason why I was confused about Jayna PMing with AM.

Can we get the mods here to confirm I was PM'ing Dolphin, because that's a seriously large mistake by the mods letting that happen...
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Will confirm mods did not catch this until we eliminated dinosaur at which point was irrelevant. Person above and person below in your group's! Has been same in other games. Reasons I don't allow pms in games I mod-thought I'd try it out. My mistake. Continue.
 
If coffee is village (I'd be happy for my tinfoil to be wrong) - don't know how coffee's list got sent to everyone she seered, don't need to know how, but I find that a little concerning considering abilities don't determine affiliation. Granted, that's not that many people since we've only had 4 nights, but still.
 
Still, the most important thing to me, above all else, is whether their suspicions match the results.
 
katashark said:
Also, @WildZoo I think I stated last night - but 75-85% sure of stagg. But ability has not been proven
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SARdoghandler said:
But regardless of if it is proven, does it make you think they are a village role? I think that's the most important thing.
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Yeah I don't think trusting it as a more village ability is helpful. But if he's seemed more village in pm's with kata count that as points to him. Still feeling neutral on stagg. Can't get a good reading, but probably because of his walls of texts lol (Cray the second)

WildZoo said:
How do you feel about Moose's d1 vote for her now?
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She's a noob, so I wouldn't think she would vote a fellow wolf right off the bat, but WIFOM
 
WildZoo said:
If coffee is village (I'd be happy for my tinfoil to be wrong) - don't know how coffee's list got sent to everyone she seered, don't need to know how, but I find that a little concerning considering abilities don't determine affiliation. Granted, that's not that many people since we've only had 4 nights, but still.
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I was in charge myself of passing it along. Someone has the ability to pm with one person every night
 
WildZoo said:
If coffee is village (I'd be happy for my tinfoil to be wrong) - don't know how coffee's list got sent to everyone she seered, don't need to know how, but I find that a little concerning considering abilities don't determine affiliation. Granted, that's not that many people since we've only had 4 nights, but still.
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4 people is still quite a few if they are being cleared. There are some inherently village abilities

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