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PippyPony said:
Because you don't seem to be interested in doing any wolf hunting, and instead of contributing, you are mostly just grumping at people and whining about how everyone besides you is terrible at this.

So that leans me either wolfy or 3rd party on you, and you are being a little too sassy vs. the last game for me to lean you fully into the wolf category.
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I don't really know what to say if you don't think I've been wolfhunting, but okay. I'm also not really whining at anyone in particular. Just expressing my grievances and/or support of a given lynch. I thought I was allowed to do that.
 
Animal Midwife said:
I don't really know what to say if you don't think I've been wolfhunting, but okay. I'm also not really whining at anyone in particular. Just expressing my grievances and/or support of a given lynch. I thought I was allowed to do that.
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Don't guilt trip me, AM -- you're being weird and it's escalating the further along we get into this game

Also I now am picturing you in my head "expressing your grievances" like a cat going around yowling at nothing, so that is fun at least lol
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
pressure to get barks to unlynch stagg
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That post was me asking Barky why she's voting Stagg from what she presented because I wasn't sure why she was voting Stagg and was asking for clarification.

StayingPositive2017 said:
did not like this back and forth on votes within the time period
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Okay so those posts are essentially the main thrust as to why people are thinking why I'm sketch. Something to consider and justified by past game experiences: I mess up initially during the early part of the game by not reading important things like writeups and just going with the feels. I did this consistently in past games and in fact, the only game where I was extremely cautious on what I post and localized my thoughts in PM before posting was in Rehab as a wolf. Heck even in a recent Sardines speed game where I was a lone wolf (with Mel being another lone wolf), I was justifiably lynched primarily because I was too cautious in what to say that I froze and got slammed.

Here in the example you listed is a case of Lawpy derping in early game and getting criticized for it. That's why I mentioned earlier why I understand people think I'm sketch because the way I presented it wasn't me thinking properly. At that time, I didn't read the writeups and was going with my feels and reads. I didn't feel great about coffee? or zigjazzy at that moment since I had doubts lingering. Instead, I was feeling more comfortable in trusting players like AM, WZ, Pippy, you etc that I wanted to at least vote reasonably. Zigjazzy's posts were bothering me so I went by feels and voted for her accordingly.

But then I read more of coffee's posts and felt she was getting something regarding Sardines so I switched there. That was conflicting with my gut feels because I wasn't comfortable in reading coffee as village as I was in my other village reads. So I went with my gut feels and went back to zigjazzy.

I realize that people don't like these plays since they're too chaotic and inconsistent but because I wasn't fully caught up at that time, I was thinking instinctively based on feels and voted accordingly. It's not perfect as seen but that's my problem dealing with early game and going by feels.

StayingPositive2017 said:
not sure if frustrated village or just going for the pity back off
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Something also to consider since I saw Colorado references being thrown around on here. But I struggle with defeatism when facing with a lynch and heavy pressure. And in Colorado, I struggled with defeatism to such an extent that I literally voted myself on D2 despite being a villager. Rightly so, I was slammed heavily. Wolves seized the initiative and veterans condemned me. I learned a hard lesson and avoided self-votes since then but the defeatism persists especially since when I realized that yes I did make a mistake in early game and I understand why people think I'm sketchy, so maybe instead of being a burden to village, it'd help if they just lynch me anyways? Defeatism is an unfortunate problem of mine so I'm trying to divert that by contributing to reads elsewhere.
 
PippyPony said:
Don't guilt trip me, AM -- you're being weird and it's escalating the further along we get into this game

Also I now am picturing you in my head "expressing your grievances" like a cat going around yowling at nothing, so that is fun at least lol
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I'm fairly certain you decide I'm chaos in most games, so it's fine.
 
Official D7 Lynch Tally

Lawpy (5) - Dolphin, cubs, koffee, TG, paws
capri () -
grebes () -
Jahboi (4) - grebes, miz, SOV, MsP
cubs () -
Dina (2) - AM, jboo
allie (1) - Pippy
kc (1) - Jah
am (1) - matty

@Lawper is in the lead with @Jahboi close behind

14/27

Missing: @capri1722 @Stagg737 @WildZoo @allieh8607 @SARdoghandler @Dinashadow @genny @Melchizedek @PrincessButterCup @Lawper @muttmanager @kcoughli @Trilt

Deadline 10pm est (~2.5 hours)

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dolphin106258 said:
We’re all important in our own special ways lol. But seriously I’ve already stated why I think you’re being sketchy and your defense was I always think you’re sketchy and am wrong. That to me is not a defense or any response to concerns.

Lynch lawpy
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Right but I was suggesting something important regarding this game but that's okay.

Last I checked your reasons primarily pertained to my vote switching between Sardines and zigjazzy? As I replied to Pawsy above, it's because I was voting by who I felt was sketchy and my gut feels aren't always accurate. Initially felt zigjazzy was sketchy from what I noticed previous day, but then felt coffee? was getting something important regarding sardines, but I was feeling conflicted so went back to my gut feels. I admit these feels aren't reliable or consistent especially at early game when I was going by with limited information.

Also yes that response before wasn't a defense and I admittedly wrote that out of tiredness since I felt I was getting tunneled by you in few games in a row for whatever reason. And I feel I'm getting tunneled here similarly analogous to your tunneling Barky. But I understand because my early game posts weren't great and brought concerns, yet I'm willing to allay concerns and try to avoid a mislynch from happening here.
 
ThoracicGuy said:
I didn't mention anything about wolves being involved in the rez. I was thinking more that their troupe seemed village from the start and I'd have no reason to convert hunt right now. So that's why I'm thinking Jah is village.
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Are you kidding me? You are assuming your troupe is all village? I can’t think of a more naive assumption in WW. I am sure they were all so “ nice and friendly...they couldn’t be wolves”.
 
cubsrule4e said:
Well

First off, I just have to say, I know ziggles was a bad loss for village, but if I had to see her tell someone they cant read one more time I was going to lose my ****

SAR/stagg - unlynchable wolves

Capri - would have to assume royalty, and thus unlynchable, whether thats good or bad affiliation becomes moot at the moment

Jahboi - the only reason I was able to be unpetrified because yall killed off the other 3 members of our village group, so theres a safe village bet there

Coopah - has strongly disagreed with both of the wolf lynches... as a wolf, why would you make yourself look like youre aligned with them? or is it just really bad village play?

lawper - sketchy AF what with his constant vote waffling, reads changing fairly easily based on other peoples comments, and for some reason was highly concerned with where coopahs votes were going and constantly pointing it out. Stagg was on him for a while knowing he couldnt be voted for, and has a strong history of bussing, possible wolf here?

miz - possibly Ris? was knocked unconscious in previous write up and then miz moved to unknown/no chat/no vote status

paws - rubbing me the wrong way. same feeling as her last game as chaos

m9 - I see the sketch points, just not convinced theyre truly sketchy
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Regarding vote waffling, I was going by gut feels and instinct which aren't consistent or accurate with limited information at early game, and I didn't trust coffee? or zigjazzy as strongly at that time since their posts were concerning me, and I felt more comfortable village reading few others like AM, WZ, Pippy etc. at that time. Also I'm not sure what you're referring to reads changing fairly easily? When I read carefully and try to make sense of other players, I realize that my initial reads from a quick read through aren't always accurate so I'm trying to keep updating my reads to be as consistent and substantiated as possible to aid in wolfhunting.

Coops can't vote (and neither could you when you're restricted), but Coops's reactions were perplexing me because she was disagreeing with coffee and others with the sad/angry reactions and I wanted to know insights from everyone even if they're not able to post. Stagg shaded many players including Barky who turned out village, so you can extend the bussing argument to apply to anyone.
 
StayingPositive2017 said:
I'm lynching lawpy because his tone has felt off, and I didn't like his flip flopping off Ziggy based on a vouch from someone he was wolf reading. He hasn't felt right all game
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wait what do you mean?

also regarding tone, I should remind you of the Reading game where you thought I was wolf and actually voted on me in LyLo over my role name and feeling my posts were sketchy/wolfy before thankfully switching to wolves last minute. Still lost the game because of the no lynch debacle 🙁
 
cubsrule4e said:
And the people on jahboi? Miz can apparently vote so maybe not Ris afterall.
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I think JAH is village. The current either/or situation is terrible because both are village.

@StayingPositive2017 @CoffeeQuestionMark and others who asked, I think Emmy/TG is wolf. Compared to the reasons provided by you guys, dolphin and cubs for voting me (which are understandable because I admit my early game posts weren't great), TG just sheeped through to look contributive. M935 has a similar sheeping problem as well but comes off as less sketchy than Emmy/TG because he's seemingly trying to update his reads with new insights.

Also another possibility to consider is jboozy (still getting wolf jboozy vibes from her posts and I'm getting concerned). There are also possibly wolves among the less active players as they're enjoying the chaos unfold between villagers, and it's something to consider.
 
Lawper said:
I think JAH is village. The current either/or situation is terrible because both are village.

@StayingPositive2017 @CoffeeQuestionMark and others who asked, I think Emmy/TG is wolf. Compared to the reasons provided by you guys, dolphin and cubs for voting me (which are understandable because I admit my early game posts weren't great), TG just sheeped through to look contributive. M935 has a similar sheeping problem as well but comes off as less sketchy than Emmy/TG because he's seemingly trying to update his reads with new insights.

Also another possibility to consider is jboozy (still getting wolf jboozy vibes from her posts and I'm getting concerned). There are also possibly wolves among the less active players as they're enjoying the chaos unfold between villagers, and it's something to consider.
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Definitely eyeing the Jahboi voters, especially miz and MsP who jumped on later despite my new information.
 
Lawper said:
Also another possibility to consider is jboozy (still getting wolf jboozy vibes from her posts and I'm getting concerned).
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Jboo claimed to have been poisoned. Does that affect your read?

And on that note, Allie kinda hinted on thread she can poison people or knows someone who can, so we might want to be voting there instead.
 
### lynch M9 ###
Overall sheepyness, not seeing much original thought

Lawper is in my village leans
Trusting cubs on Jah

Other leans:
Miz & AM - maybe tunneling on these 2
kc - defensiveness
 
muttmanager said:
### lynch M9 ###
Overall sheepyness, not seeing much original thought

Lawper is in my village leans
Trusting cubs on Jah

Other leans:
Miz & AM - maybe tunneling on these 2
kc - defensiveness
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I'm pretty sure this is the first time you've brought me up.
 
PippyPony said:
Jboo claimed to have been poisoned. Does that affect your read?

And on that note, Allie kinda hinted on thread she can poison people or knows someone who can, so we might want to be voting there instead.
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I believe she is the bounty hunter targeted by the demon and received an ax upgrade the same night I was poisoned.
 
CoffeeQuestionMark said:
I believe she is the bounty hunter targeted by the demon and received an ax upgrade the same night I was poisoned.
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Ok, and you are not voting for her because...why?

Edit: oh, because timing. I see what you mean. I think I would still like some more information about that, though.
 
dolphin106258 said:
So I am historically pretty bad at reading SAR, and when I read both write ups at like 3 am I was so confused I’m assuming based on my delirious state lol, and upon rereading I don’t think I’m just gonna jump on a SAR bandwagon just for the possibility of dark correctly correlating with evil even though we all seem to be forgetting we are in a fluid game per the mod. Also don’t really feel weird about zig, I feel like she’s playing village to me. Coffee is certainly a ? for me.

I don’t like as others have said the quick jumps to lynch SAR without actually feeling sketchy about her play. I Did not like Lawpy going back and forth like that on SAR at all. So for now at least..

Lynch lawpy
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dolphin106258 said:
Okay then once you’re lynchable again expect a vote from me. Tired of people not explaining themselves and think they can do whatever but say well you’ve been wrong I’ve always been village. Well idk maybe this time you’re a wolf. What kind of statement even is that. :shrug:
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Lawper said:
maybe i'm just tired of all the random playstyle things going on that's distracting my focus from the actual game, so responding to a vote on me for changing my mind while reading things isn't really something that concerns me atm. also my point was you read me wrong repeatedly for similar reasons and this here isn't any different. I think out loud when trying to make sense of what's going on and am prone to slip ups because my reads aren't perfect
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Maybe I missed a post where I did talk about this, but if you look at my posts above I never said Lawpy is acting different from village Lawpy like others are stating. I am not AM and don’t remember each and every players specific playstyle. I voted you because your flip flopping would be sketchy for ANYONE. Especially in context of who your candidates were. Your defeatism can be argued either way so it’s basically WIFOM, you could easily make it up so people will think you’re village if you want. Basically that point is NIA.
 
PippyPony said:
Jboo claimed to have been poisoned. Does that affect your read?

And on that note, Allie kinda hinted on thread she can poison people or knows someone who can, so we might want to be voting there instead.
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Just checked, it'd make her more in the neutral category. Still feeling conflicted about her posts but I think poisoning is a wolf attack. However she also mentioned it was unclear whether it's related to the poison axe attack, but it's apparently comparable to coffee's getting poisoned.

I'm currently looking into Allie's posts
 
dolphin106258 said:
Maybe I missed a post where I did talk about this, but if you look at my posts above I never said Lawpy is acting different from village Lawpy like others are stating. I am not AM and don’t remember each and every players specific playstyle. I voted you because your flip flopping would be sketchy for ANYONE. Especially in context of who your candidates were. Your defeatism can be argued either way so it’s basically WIFOM, you could easily make it up so people will think you’re village if you want. Basically that point is NIA.
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Sorry I was seeing several posts from people who stated they're voting me because my tone is off or didn't align to their meta read of me etc. :bag::sorry:

So like I said before, your reasons for voting me pertained to the Sardines-zigjazzy vote swap? Which is basically voting me because I was voting by instinct and gut feels, and going by with limited information I had in early game? Are you sure you're not tunneling?

Defeatism was mainly in response to Pawsy's posts as she's more familiar with how I play and was voting because she felt my tone was off.
 
Official D7 Lynch Tally

Lawpy (5) - Dolphin, cubs, koffee, TG, paws
capri () -
grebes () -
Jahboi (4) - grebes, miz, SOV, MsP
cubs () -
Dina (2) - AM, jboo
allie (1) - Pippy
kc (1) - Jah
am (1) - matty
TG (1) - lawpy
matty (1) - mutts

lawpy is in the lead

16/27

Missing: capri, stagg, dubz, allie, sar, dina, genny, mel, pbc, kcough, trilt

Deadline 10pm est (~1.5 hours)

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PippyPony said:
Appreciate the gesture here but I am also not sure I want her gone ASAP even if she is chaos of some sort. Which, as a reminder, @Animal Midwife , I play nice with, so don't be shy.
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Yeah i didn’t actually expect anyone to vote for her. Just trying to keep things interesting.
 
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