President Bernie Sanders

[BLADEMDA]

That's a fair point, and one I don't entirely disagree with. I personally think there's a need for US leadership in the world that doesn't involve debacles like Iraq, but still demands the biggest baseball bat in the room.

That many of us are unhappy with the form of that leadership of late is not a good argument for throwing the bat into a wood chipper.

A President Sanders will cut the military budget by 20% and throw that bat into the wood chipper. He sees little need for an expensive military and will be the worst commander in Chief in your lifetime in terms of morale and budget.

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[pgg]

A President Sanders will cut the military budget by 20% and throw that bat into the wood chipper. He sees little need for an expensive military and will be the worst commander in Chief in your lifetime in terms of morale and budget.

No doubt a President Sanders would like to do that, but he won't get far with a Republican Senate and House to contend with.

 

[doctalaughs]

Right he wouldn't hurt you personally. Because you aren't worth 32 MILLION dollars (or 16 million if you're single). Which is where his additional tax proposals START (by 1% I might add....damn just wouldn't be able to afford that 2nd Maserati under Bernie).

And whatever this is where people's fundamental views on life differ. I think that if my brother or friend loses his/her job and can't find another one with decent health insurance (which is for the bizarre way the US healthcare insurance system first started, the primary way people get their health insurance in this country), he shouldn't just die or go bankrupt if he gets sick or has a chronic condition he has to pay for or gets hit by a car the next day or etc etc etc. I'd be willing to take a pay cut to do that.

You'd just rather say "f you, universal access to health insurance is an entitlement plan". That's fine but just have the balls to admit that's what you're saying.

The more entitlement programs you create, the less people will produce on their own. The damage will only be slightly from increased taxes and mostly from increasing handouts.

We already have massive inefficient entitlement programs - how about trying to use that money more effectively and cutting waste, rather than a doubling or tripling of the size of these programs?

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

The more entitlement programs you create, the less people will produce on their own. The damage will only be slightly from increased taxes and mostly from increasing handouts.

We already have massive inefficient entitlement programs - how about trying to use that money more effectively and cutting waste, rather than a doubling or tripling of the size of these programs?

So your argument essentially is that health insurance is an incentive to work? Because people will produce less on their own then right with an “entitlement program” of universal health insurance in place. So f*** you to all the people that can only find jobs that have crappy health insurance or contract jobs that have no health insurance or are unemployed and can’t afford COBRA or fall outside eligibility for COBRA or Medicare/Medicaid.

Again just say straight up what you’re saying.

 

[deleted941485]

So your argument essentially is that health insurance is an incentive to work? Because people will produce less on their

I mean is it that really inconceivable?

 

[vector2]

I mean is it that really inconceivable?

No, it's not inconceivable. It's just one of those things that seems intuitively correct but is actually wrong

Busting the Myth of ‘Welfare Makes People Lazy’

Cash assistance isn’t just a moral imperative that raises living standards. It’s also a critical investment in the health and future careers of low-income kids.

www.google.com

"Most notably, a 2015 meta-study of cash programs in poor countries found “no systematic evidence that cash transfer programs discourage work” in seven different countries: Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, the Philippines, Indonesia, or Morocco. Other studies of cash-grant experiments in Uganda and Nigeria have found that such programs can increase working hours and earnings, particularly when the beneficiaries are required to attend classes that teach specific trades or general business skills."


"Take, for example, the striking finding from a new paper from researchers at Georgetown University and the University of Chicago. They analyzed a Mexican program called Prospera, the world’s first conditional cash-transfer system, which provides money to poor families on the condition that they send their children to school and stay up to date on vaccinations and doctors’ visits. In 2016, Prospera offered cash assistance to nearly 7 million Mexican households.

In the paper, researchers matched up data from Prospera with data about households’ incomes to analyze for the first time the program’s effect on children several decades after they started receiving benefits. The researchers found that the typical young person exposed to the program for seven years ultimately completed three more years of education and was 37 percent more likely to be employed. That’s not all: Young Prospera beneficiaries grew up to become adults who worked, on average, nine more hours each week than similarly poor children who weren’t enrolled in the program. They also earned higher hourly wages."

"One of the latest studies on the subject found that Medicaid has “little if any” impact on employment or work hours. In research based in Canada and the U.S., the economist Ioana Marinescu at the University of Pennsylvania has found that even when basic-income programs do reduce working hours, adults don’t typically stay home to, say, play video games; instead, they often use the extra cash to go back to school or hold out for a more desirable job."

"American adults whose families had access to prenatal coverage under Medicaid have lower rates of obesity, higher rates of high-school graduation, and higher incomes as adults than those from similar households in states without Medicaid, according to a 2015 paper from the economists Sarah Miller and Laura R. Wherry. Another paper found that children covered by Medicaid expansions went on to earn higher wages and require less welfare assistance as adults."

 

[Spikebd]

I think it's waaaay too early for the Democratic party to concede that the 20-something year old Bernie supporters "control" the party. The very fact that the establishment is plotting against him, that superdelegates exist, is evidence that they don't. Hell, Sanders isn't even a Democrat, except during presidential years.

One of the more probable outcomes is that he simply won't win a majority of delegates, despite running against a fractured moderate bloc that's splitting its vote between Biden, Buttigieg, Bloomberg. If that happens, all bets are off for how the convention goes.


Also, two trends in politics
1) young people don't vote
2) young liberals grow up to be old conservatives

I'm not totally sold on the idea that the Democratic party has permanently moved far left because some kids are yelling at Sanders rallies. There's a broad and deep moderate liberal bloc in this country, and they're not going to like losing with Sanders and enduring the second Trump term he bought them.

But maybe this election is different! The last one sure was.

The Democratic Party is permanently hard left; the demographics fully support AOC and Ilhan as new faces of the left.
Ive already accepted this fact. Unfortunately, the ugly side of politics will be here to stay. The nation will be divided like never before in the coming years. The gap between left and right is growing very large. I personally feel this is due to the left taking a hard left lurch, but I’m sure others feel different.
interesting times. We’ll be ok as long as we stay alert and look out for our families. I’m praying it doesn’t end catastrophically.

 

[deleted941485]

No, it's not inconceivable. It's just one of those things that seems intuitively correct but is actually wrong

Busting the Myth of ‘Welfare Makes People Lazy’

Cash assistance isn’t just a moral imperative that raises living standards. It’s also a critical investment in the health and future careers of low-income kids.

www.google.com

"Most notably, a 2015 meta-study of cash programs in poor countries found “no systematic evidence that cash transfer programs discourage work” in seven different countries: Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, the Philippines, Indonesia, or Morocco. Other studies of cash-grant experiments in Uganda and Nigeria have found that such programs can increase working hours and earnings, particularly when the beneficiaries are required to attend classes that teach specific trades or general business skills."


"Take, for example, the striking finding from a new paper from researchers at Georgetown University and the University of Chicago. They analyzed a Mexican program called Prospera, the world’s first conditional cash-transfer system, which provides money to poor families on the condition that they send their children to school and stay up to date on vaccinations and doctors’ visits. In 2016, Prospera offered cash assistance to nearly 7 million Mexican households.

In the paper, researchers matched up data from Prospera with data about households’ incomes to analyze for the first time the program’s effect on children several decades after they started receiving benefits. The researchers found that the typical young person exposed to the program for seven years ultimately completed three more years of education and was 37 percent more likely to be employed. That’s not all: Young Prospera beneficiaries grew up to become adults who worked, on average, nine more hours each week than similarly poor children who weren’t enrolled in the program. They also earned higher hourly wages."

"One of the latest studies on the subject found that Medicaid has “little if any” impact on employment or work hours. In research based in Canada and the U.S., the economist Ioana Marinescu at the University of Pennsylvania has found that even when basic-income programs do reduce working hours, adults don’t typically stay home to, say, play video games; instead, they often use the extra cash to go back to school or hold out for a more desirable job."

"American adults whose families had access to prenatal coverage under Medicaid have lower rates of obesity, higher rates of high-school graduation, and higher incomes as adults than those from similar households in states without Medicaid, according to a 2015 paper from the economists Sarah Miller and Laura R. Wherry. Another paper found that children covered by Medicaid expansions went on to earn higher wages and require less welfare assistance as adults."

Yeah not really convinced. Metanalysis confounded by other variables that likely can explain the difference. The last link goes to the Atlantic which I’m sure put it’s own favorable spin on their findings. We get burned in medicine by the retrospective study all the time.

 

[deleted941485]

The Democratic Party is permanently hard left; the demographics fully support AOC and Ilhan as new faces of the left.
Ive already accepted this fact. Unfortunately, the ugly side of politics will be here to stay. The nation will be divided like never before in the coming years. The gap between left and right is growing very large. I personally feel this is due to the left taking a hard left lurch, but I’m sure others feel different.
interesting times. We’ll be ok as long as we stay alert and look out for our families. I’m praying it doesn’t end catastrophically.

Meh the right went down this path after Obama and now the left is going down the extreme path with Bernie and AOC.

The whole logic is basically forget compromise and collaboration. It’s all or none. But make no mistake there won’t be any winners.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

I mean is it that really inconceivable?

It is that inconceivable. As borne out by other countries which have universal health insurance programs but somehow mysteriously still have people working.

It’s also ridiculously cruel. Unemployed for a while and happen to get sick during that time? Well screw you buddy!

 

[deleted480308]

So your argument essentially is that health insurance is an incentive to work? Because people will produce less on their own then right with an “entitlement program” of universal health insurance in place. So f*** you to all the people that can only find jobs that have crappy health insurance or contract jobs that have no health insurance or are unemployed and can’t afford COBRA or fall outside eligibility for COBRA or Medicare/Medicaid.

Again just say straight up what you’re saying.

I'll save you the begging. Yes, I am saying that no one owes anyone else their health care. If you want it, you should pay for it

 

[happydo1]

I'll save you the begging. Yes, I am saying that no one owes anyone else their health care. If you want it, you should pay for it

It’s kinda scary that we have doctors out here who have your mindset . Healthcare should be accessible to everyone of all social classes. Not everybody can spend thousands of dollars to get minimal health needs met. Basically you saying if you don’t have the money for this oh well.. just die. That’s sickening .

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

I'll save you the begging. Yes, I am saying that no one owes anyone else their health care. If you want it, you should pay for it

Right and that’s my point. It’s two just fundamentally different world views. Your worldview is that if you can’t find a way to pay for your own health insurance that you get to become financially ruined or just die if you have a serious medical event occur to your or your family. Basically the system that existed in the US pre Medicare or Medicaid...either you can pay for a doctor or hope you make it on your own.

“The doctor say he’s coming but you gotta pay in cash”

 

[deleted941485]

Well screw you buddy!

Mods. Really is this appropriate?

It’s not that they don’t have people working but they probably at the margin have people waiting on the sidelines.

They have my sympathy but honestly that’s the extent of what I’m willing to give.

Did you really think canvassing an sdn physician forum and shaming them into supporting your views was going to change anyone’s mind?

 

[deleted941485]

It’s kinda scary that we have doctors out here who have your mindset . Healthcare should be accessible to everyone of all social classes. Not everybody can spend thousands of dollars to get minimal health needs met. Basically you saying if you don’t have the money for this oh well.. just die. That’s sickening .

It’s really not scary at all. Telling me that you and others have a unlimited right to my time and effort on your terms is disgusting.

 

[AMEHigh]

Yeah not really convinced. Metanalysis confounded by other variables that likely can explain the difference. The last link goes to the Atlantic which I’m sure put it’s own favorable spin on their findings. We get burned in medicine by the retrospective study all the time.

Ok. Well then find data to support your position that providing healthcare that isn't tied to working or that is affordable makes people lazy and less productive? If everything we present you're going to contradict, then present your own data that supports your position.

 

[deleted480308]

It’s kinda scary that we have doctors out here who have your mindset . Healthcare should be accessible to everyone of all social classes. Not everybody can spend thousands of dollars to get minimal health needs met. Basically you saying if you don’t have the money for this oh well.. just die. That’s sickening .

clutch your pearls elsewhere, goods and services cost money and the user should be responsible for them

 

[radsisrad]

I think it's waaaay too early for the Democratic party to concede that the 20-something year old Bernie supporters "control" the party.

See: Ocasio-Cortez, Tlaib, O'Rourke, etc. See, also, the trend over time: https://news.gallup.com/poll/257639/four-americans-embrace-form-socialism.aspx

The very fact that the establishment is plotting against him, that superdelegates exist, is evidence that they don't. Hell, Sanders isn't even a Democrat, except during presidential years.

The leadership of the Democrat Party is panicking. I thought at first that this was Fox News hyperbole, but it isn't. See, for instance, these headlines:

Opinion | No, Not Sanders, Not Ever (Published 2020)

He is not a liberal, he’s the end of liberalism.

www.nytimes.com

Biden's South Carolina win gives me hope that Democrats will reject Sanders and beat Trump

Just days ago Sanders seemed unstoppable. I can't overstate how scary that was for many Democrats. We would see a second Trump term as a catastrophe.

www.usatoday.com

The kids are running the Democrat asylum, and the "adults" (who've been egging on the kids the entire time) are finding it impossible to take back control.

One of the more probable outcomes is that he simply won't win a majority of delegates, despite running against a fractured moderate bloc that's splitting its vote between Biden, Buttigieg, Bloomberg. If that happens, all bets are off for how the convention goes.


Also, two trends in politics
1) young people don't vote
2) young liberals grow up to be old conservatives

1) Changing for a number of reasons. Social media frenzies galvanize young people to vote. Young people aren't distracted in the same ways they were in previous generations; in an increasingly secular society, kids turn to political activism as a way to find meaning in their lives.

2) Not true anymore. In past generations, changing life roles that accompanied aging tended to mature people and change their perspective on utopianism vs practicality and prudence. I do not see this happening to generations incubated in SNL, HBO, Netflix, and other left-wing bubbles that serve as comforters 24/7/365. Echo chambers abound.

I'm not totally sold on the idea that the Democratic party has permanently moved far left because some kids are yelling at Sanders rallies. There's a broad and deep moderate liberal bloc in this country, and they're not going to like losing with Sanders and enduring the second Trump term he bought them.

Other than a tax cut that was perhaps imprudent, virtually the only objectionable aspect of Trump is his personality. The fact that there's such vociferous opposition to his policies is, in itself, evidence of a hard-left turn by the Democrat Party.

One more thing: guess who's censoring social media (read: free expression)? 20- and 30-somethings with pink hair and purple lipstick. There's a staggering amount of power in the hands of people who are barely qualified to run pizza shops.

This all ends poorly for Western society. I do wonder how the year 2100 will look, though.

 

[happydo1]

It’s really not scary at all. Telling me that you and others have a unlimited right to my time and effort on your terms is disgusting.

Then why be in the healthcare field ... literally the point is to care for others . You are serving others

 

[deleted480308]

Then why be in the healthcare field ... literally the point is to care for others . You are serving others

thinking care should be free isn't remotely a pre-requisite to giving good care

 

[happydo1]

clutch your pearls elsewhere, goods and services cost money and the user should be responsible for them

Healthcare is a human right . You should not have to “buy” the right to live

 

[happydo1]

thinking care should be free isn't remotely a pre-requisite to giving good care

It can be .

 

[deleted480308]

Healthcare is a human right . You should not have to “buy” the right to live

No one is buying the right to live. We literally all die.

People do however, need to buy goods and services from others if they wish to consume them

 

[deleted941485]

Healthcare is a human right . You should not have to “buy” the right to live

Thats a bizarre comment as you need to expend funds/time/effort to accomplish anything including living.

 

[radsisrad]

It’s kinda scary that we have doctors out here who have your mindset . Healthcare should be accessible to everyone of all social classes. Not everybody can spend thousands of dollars to get minimal health needs met. Basically you saying if you don’t have the money for this oh well.. just die. That’s sickening .

Premeds and med students like you who think that the medical profession should be reserved for doctors with stylish political views are infinitely worse.

Please grow up quickly.

 

[vector2]

Yeah not really convinced.

What a total shocker

We could go on for another 2 hrs about why sociological and population economics studies are not the same as a medical double blinded randomized controlled trial but it would probably be easier if you would just admit there is no evidence which would make you change your mind.

 

[calvnandhobbs68]

Mods. Really is this appropriate?

It’s not that they don’t have people working but they probably at the margin have people waiting on the sidelines.

They have my sympathy but honestly that’s the extent of what I’m willing to give.

Did you really think canvassing an sdn physician forum and shaming them into supporting your views was going to change anyone’s mind?

Are you arguing that you're not actually saying that to people who are in that position? I mean, "you have my sympathy but you're just gonna have to go ahead and die because I didn't want pay into everyone in this country having health insurance" isn't too far off.

And dude you're not actually even a verified physician on here. So saying stupid stuff like "canvassing an sdn physician forum" in a Blade thread named "President Bernie Sanders" and acting like I don't belong here isn't a good look on you.

 

[happydo1]

Thats a bizarre comment as you need to expend funds/time/effort to accomplish anything including living.

No it’s not. Sickness and accidents are inevitable part of life . And your right SB so is death. So why average citizens spending thousands on basic healthcare needs to help them live . Again healthcare is a human right and we all have the right to live . So you believe the poor should not get treated and she be left to die for the simple fact they don’t have money. That’s really sad and again scary if you believe this

 

[happydo1]

Premeds and med students like you who think that the medical profession should be reserved for doctors with stylish political views are infinitely worse.

Please grow up quickly.

I’ve been in the healthcare field for 4 years now so I’ve seen how private insurance , conpays , high deductible plans have literally ruined people’s lives. It is not a stylish political view to believe that healthcare is a necessity for all. So please miss me with that .

 

[deleted480308]

No it’s not. Sickness and accidents are inevitable part of life . And your right SB so is death. So why average citizens spending thousands on basic healthcare needs to help them live . Again healthcare is a human right and we all have the right to live . So you believe the poor should not get treated and she be left to die for the simple fact they don’t have money. That’s really sad and again scary if you believe this

an MRI and a surgery can't by definition be a natural right

 

[vector2]

See: Ocasio-Cortez, Tlaib, O'Rourke, etc. See, also, the trend over time: Four in 10 Americans Embrace Some Form of Socialism



The leadership of the Democrat Party is panicking. I thought at first that this was Fox News hyperbole, but it isn't. See, for instance, these headlines:

Opinion | No, Not Sanders, Not Ever (Published 2020)

He is not a liberal, he’s the end of liberalism.

www.nytimes.com

Biden's South Carolina win gives me hope that Democrats will reject Sanders and beat Trump

Just days ago Sanders seemed unstoppable. I can't overstate how scary that was for many Democrats. We would see a second Trump term as a catastrophe.

www.usatoday.com

The kids are running the Democrat asylum, and the "adults" (who've been egging on the kids the entire time) are finding it impossible to take back control.



1) Changing for a number of reasons. Social media frenzies galvanize young people to vote. Young people aren't distracted in the same ways they were in previous generations; in an increasingly secular society, kids turn to political activism as a way to find meaning in their lives.

2) Not true anymore. In past generations, changing life roles that accompanied aging tended to mature people and change their perspective on utopianism vs practicality and prudence. I do not see this happening to generations incubated in SNL, HBO, Netflix, and other left-wing bubbles that serve as comforters 24/7/365. Echo chambers abound.



Other than a tax cut that was perhaps imprudent, virtually the only objectionable aspect of Trump is his personality. The fact that there's such vociferous opposition to his policies is, in itself, evidence of a hard-left turn by the Democrat Party.

One more thing: guess who's censoring social media (read: free expression)? 20- and 30-somethings with pink hair and purple lipstick. There's a staggering amount of power in the hands of people who are barely qualified to run pizza shops.

This all ends poorly for Western society. I do wonder how the year 2100 will look, though.

Starting your post with the squad and o'Rourke being the leaders of the democratic party and then ending with a complaint that banning neonazis on Twitter is unjustified censorship...

Something about glass houses comes to mind when you complain about other people staying in their own media bubble/echo chamber

 

[happydo1]

an MRI and a surgery can't by definition be a natural right

MRI is used to help diagnose a possible disease and surgery to treat it . A person deserves the chance to treat their diagnose and heck even find out about it . So again why be a doctor if don’t believe every human deserves proper diagnoses , care and treatment of their diseases

 

[radsisrad]

Starting your post with the squad and o'Rourke being the leaders of the democratic party...

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez popularity & fame | YouGov

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the 10th most popular Democrat and the 12th most popular politician. Explore the latest YouGov polling, survey results and articles about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

today.yougov.com

"With 41% positive opinion, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is more popular among Millennials than among other age groups..."

This is the direction of the party. Sorry, just reality.

and then ending with a complaint that banning neonazis on Twitter is unjustified censorship...

Something about glass houses comes to mind when you complain about other people staying in their own media bubble/echo chamber

I never mentioned neonazis, but I'm sorry that there's one hiding under your bed and another in your closet.

Anyway, yeah, I support free speech. That's an American ideal through and through, and people who oppose it shouldn't be trusted on the local school board, let alone in positions of real influence and authority.

 

[deleted480308]

MRI is used to help diagnose a possible disease and surgery to treat it . A person deserves the chance to treat their diagnose and heck even find out about it . So again why be a doctor if don’t believe every human deserves proper diagnoses , care and treatment of their diseases

There not being an MRI available doesn't mean their human rights have been violated, because it isn't a right

I'm a doctor because I'm very good at it. I can't solve the planet and I no delusions of grandeur that I can provide everything to everyone. But to the ones that get my time, they will have a good doctor. That is why I am one.

Again, no one has a right to claim the goods/services of another person without the payment that person wants

 

[deleted941485]

What a total shocker

We could go on for another 2 hrs about why sociological and population economics studies are not the same as a medical double blinded randomized controlled trial but it would probably be easier if you would just admit there is no evidence which would make you change your mind.

The floor is yours bud.

Burden of proof is on you and I reserve the right to critique whatever you put in front of me.

 

[deleted941485]

No it’s not. Sickness and accidents are inevitable part of life . And your right SB so is death. So why average citizens spending thousands on basic healthcare needs to help them live . Again healthcare is a human right and we all have the right to live . So you believe the poor should not get treated and she be left to die for the simple fact they don’t have money. That’s really sad and again scary if you believe this

You haven’t really said anything new since your last post.

Again the comment you made is bizarre and naive. Assert your right to live all you want. It doesn’t mean your entitled to the goods and services that make that possible.

 

[Spikebd]

See: Ocasio-Cortez, Tlaib, O'Rourke, etc. See, also, the trend over time: Four in 10 Americans Embrace Some Form of Socialism



The leadership of the Democrat Party is panicking. I thought at first that this was Fox News hyperbole, but it isn't. See, for instance, these headlines:

Opinion | No, Not Sanders, Not Ever (Published 2020)

He is not a liberal, he’s the end of liberalism.

www.nytimes.com

Biden's South Carolina win gives me hope that Democrats will reject Sanders and beat Trump

Just days ago Sanders seemed unstoppable. I can't overstate how scary that was for many Democrats. We would see a second Trump term as a catastrophe.

www.usatoday.com

The kids are running the Democrat asylum, and the "adults" (who've been egging on the kids the entire time) are finding it impossible to take back control.



1) Changing for a number of reasons. Social media frenzies galvanize young people to vote. Young people aren't distracted in the same ways they were in previous generations; in an increasingly secular society, kids turn to political activism as a way to find meaning in their lives.

2) Not true anymore. In past generations, changing life roles that accompanied aging tended to mature people and change their perspective on utopianism vs practicality and prudence. I do not see this happening to generations incubated in SNL, HBO, Netflix, and other left-wing bubbles that serve as comforters 24/7/365. Echo chambers abound.



Other than a tax cut that was perhaps imprudent, virtually the only objectionable aspect of Trump is his personality. The fact that there's such vociferous opposition to his policies is, in itself, evidence of a hard-left turn by the Democrat Party.

One more thing: guess who's censoring social media (read: free expression)? 20- and 30-somethings with pink hair and purple lipstick. There's a staggering amount of power in the hands of people who are barely qualified to run pizza shops.

This all ends poorly for Western society. I do wonder how the year 2100 will look, though.

Sounds like you and I will meet each other in rural Minnesota or something in a few years lol

 

[happydo1]

There not being an MRI available doesn't mean their human rights have been violated, because it isn't a right

I'm a doctor because I'm very good at it. I can't solve the planet and I no delusions of grandeur that I can provide everything to everyone. But to the ones that get my time, they will have a good doctor. That is why I am one.

Again, no one has a right to claim the goods/services of another person without the payment that person wants

My overall point that basic health care needs at least should be offered for everyone . If you believe that one should put in thousands (which most don’t have) to get diagnosed and treatment then no I don’t think you are a good doctor.

 

[deleted941485]

My overall point that basic health care needs at least should be offered for everyone . If you believe that one should put in thousands (which most don’t have) to get diagnosed and treatment then no I don’t think you are a good doctor.

Nonsense...what does one have to do with the other?

My guess is good in this context means morally good. Not actually a better doctor.

 

[vector2]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez popularity & fame | YouGov

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is the 10th most popular Democrat and the 12th most popular politician. Explore the latest YouGov polling, survey results and articles about Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

today.yougov.com

"With 41% positive opinion, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is more popular among Millennials than among other age groups..."

This is the direction of the party. Sorry, just reality.



I never mentioned neonazis, but I'm sorry that there's one hiding under your bed and another in your closet.

Anyway, yeah, I support free speech. That's an American ideal through and through, and people who oppose it shouldn't be trusted on the local school board, let alone in positions of real influence and authority.

4 congressmen being popular with millenials is not evidence of anything regarding future trends.

You were complaining about social media being censored. The notable cases of actual censorship on social media are hate speech (since the daily stormer and the like are big fans of trump), bullying, and things related to public health like claiming you have a miracle cure for coronavirus or whatev. The pearl clutching false victim narrative that all right wing views are getting censored is a load of bs

Evidence contradicts right-wing narrative of tech censorship and bias

The numbers prove just the opposite.

www.google.com

 

[happydo1]

You haven’t really said anything new since your last post.

Again the comment you made is bizarre and naive. Assert your right to live all you want. It doesn’t mean your entitled to the goods and services that make that possible.

My point is clear as day. It’s a fair point that thousands of people believe in. I am entitled to have at minimum my basic healthcare needs met. You are , the poor middle and the rich are . Again you shouldn’t be in a field that is focused on service and care to others

 

[vector2]

The floor is yours bud.

Burden of proof is on you and I reserve the right to critique whatever you put in front of me.

Uh nice try, but the burden of proof actually is shared. Theres three hypotheses: Welfare programs increase productivity present or future, it's neutral, or they decrease it. I've quoted 4 studies which show either a neutral effect or increased future productivity. You've stated nothing but your own opinion. Ball's back in your court if you actually want to bring any evidence to the table.

 

[deleted941485]

My point is clear as day. It’s a fair point that thousands of people believe in. I am entitled to have at minimum my basic healthcare needs met. You are , the poor middle and the rich are . Again you shouldn’t be in a field that is focused on service and care to others

Again your comment is nonsense. You telling me that thousands of people share that belief doesn’t actually speak to it’s validity.

You have no right to tell me what I can or cannot do with my time. You’ve already made the rich, poor, middle class entitled to my services but I guess that’s not enough for you it seems.

 

[happydo1]

Again your comment is nonsense. You telling me that thousands of people share that belief doesn’t actually speak to it’s validity.

You have no right to tell me what I can or cannot do with my time. You’ve already made the rich, poor, middle class entitled to my services but I guess that’s not enough for you it seems.

Again if you care so much about your services and time being wasted by others who are in NEED. You should not be doctor . My points are valid because nobody deserves to go bankrupt just to seek treatment and care.

 

[deleted941485]

Uh nice try, but the burden of proof actually is shared. Theres three hypotheses: Welfare programs increase productivity present or future, it's neutral, or they decrease it. I've quoted 4 studies which show either a neutral effect or increased future productivity. You've stated nothing but your own opinion. Ball's back in your court if you actually want to being any evidence to the table.

Not so fast slick.

You haven’t really demonstrated a benefit to these programs. You presented a bunch of retrospective garbage which I rejected on the grounds of uncontrolled variables inherent to the study and the fact that even those studies demonstrate only modest benefits at best. Hardly a ringing endorsement for your position.

 

[radsisrad]

Again you shouldn’t be in a field that is focused on service and care to others

How old are you, 13?

Medicine should not be a field for people "focused on service and care to others." A food pantry volunteer also provides service to the needy. Medicine should be a field in which health - the most valuable of commodities - is taken care of by highly intelligent professionals who are remunerated well in exchange for the burdens that necessarily attend the responsibility of being a doctor.

 

[deleted941485]

Again if you care so much about your services and time being wasted by others who are in NEED. You should not be doctor . My points are valid because nobody deserves to go bankrupt just to seek treatment and care.

Dude you are even scarier than I thought.

Doctors aren’t little puppets you can pull the strings and get what you want out of them

As to your last point nobody really deserves anything.

 

[deleted480308]

My overall point that basic health care needs at least should be offered for everyone . If you believe that one should put in thousands (which most don’t have) to get diagnosed and treatment then no I don’t think you are a good doctor.

If you get to be a doctor, you will work with a bunch of doctors who disagree with you....and you'll learn they are still good at their jobs

until then, carry on

 

[deleted941485]

How old are you, 13?

Medicine should not be a field for people "focused on service and care to others." A food pantry volunteer also provides service to the needy. Medicine should be a field in which health - the most valuable of commodities - is taken care of by highly intelligent professionals who are remunerated well in exchange for the burdens that necessarily attend the responsibility of being a doctor.

don’t worry they’re just a couple of
Bernie bros looking to brow beat the rest into sharing their sensibilities.

Best thing you can do is politely tell them to piss off at the polls.

 

[radsisrad]

Dude you are even scarier than I thought.

Doctors aren’t little puppets you can pull the strings and get what you want out of them

As to your last point nobody really deserves anything.

Something I can promise you without equivocation is that you will never find someone less tolerant of the out-group than a committed left-winger.