STEP 1 scores (compilation...please help)

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Hoping some people could provide more recent data for these schools...

Baylor: 239, 235 (2009, ?) - Info from BCM website
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
UIC-Chicago 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
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Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
For the most part MCAT score positively correlates well with Step I score (from both a cursory look at the school data posted as well as the literature looking at individual students' performances).

It would be interesting though to see which schools"overachieve" based on their incoming MCAT scores as well as which schools underachieve.
 
flatearth22 said:
For the most part MCAT score positively correlates well with Step I score (from both a cursory look at the school data posted as well as the literature looking at individual students' performances).

It would be interesting though to see which schools"overachieve" based on their incoming MCAT scores as well as which schools underachieve.
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missouri does a nice job teaching to step 1. their mcat average is a shade over 30.
 
flatearth22 said:
For the most part MCAT score positively correlates well with Step I score (from both a cursory look at the school data posted as well as the literature looking at individual students' performances).

It would be interesting though to see which schools"overachieve" based on their incoming MCAT scores as well as which schools underachieve.
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Mayo is an excellent example of producing 'overachievers'. Their MCAT score average is 33, yet their STEP score average is around 240. Wow.
 
I find it exceedingly hard to believe that Baylor's avg this year was almost 1 SD above the national average.
 
There are dozens of ways to "skew" the above numbers, and they are frequently used by administration. I personally know that some of the above numbers are "skewed" to make them look more impressive.

Just know that any medical school in the US can help you score well. Don't worry about the compilation at all.
 
NH14 said:
Mayo is an excellent example of producing 'overachievers'. Their MCAT score average is 33, yet their STEP score average is around 240. Wow.
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Washinton U seems to be the otherside of the coin. Their average is only 235 with high MCAT and GPA students accepted.
 
IMSingular said:
Washinton U seems to be the otherside of the coin. Their average is only 235 with high MCAT and GPA students accepted.
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Actually, I'd say that WashU's avg Step 1 is where I'd expect it at about half a SD above the national avg.
 
I had no idea what the USMLE was before I got into med school. I urge you to relax and not worry about it. You will do as well as you try, and your school won't change that.
 
chronicidal said:
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 228, 231, 229 (2003, 2002, 2001)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 228 (2011))
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
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Valadi said:
I had no idea what the USMLE was before I got into med school. I urge you to relax and not worry about it. You will do as well as you try, and your school won't change that.
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Completely wrong.

USC had a 244 average board score for the class that graduated in 2006
 
Jalby said:
Completely wrong.

USC had a 244 average board score for the class that graduated in 2006
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Completely not provable that it was the school - and not the aptitude or study habits of the individuals in the class - that caused that score.

Please mind your use of the phrase 'completely' anything.
 
Most recent article to actually examine this that I could find: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18444195

Article Titled: "How much do differences in medical schools influence student performance? A longitudinal study employing hierarchical linear modeling." -2008

From the article
Notwithstanding these limitations, the differences between schools such as differing curricula do not account for much variation of student performance on USMLE exams. Most of the variance is because of student entry differences as measured using currently available standardized performance measures such as MCAT scores. The obvious conclusion, therefore, is that changing curricula in medical education reform1,3,5−7 is not likely to have much impact in improvement in student achievement.
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Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 237, 235 (2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
anyone have 2010/2011 step 1 scores for all the UT system schools?
 
Valadi said:
Completely not provable that it was the school - and not the aptitude or study habits of the individuals in the class - that caused that score.

Please mind your use of the phrase 'completely' anything.
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I completely disagree with your use analysis, completely.

If you had twins, and you gave one student 4 weeks to study for a test, and you gave the other student 8 weeks to study for a test, which student do you think would perform better on the test???

Simple question and simple answer.
 
your med school can have a profound effect on your step 1 score. some factors to consider:

- how much dedicated step 1 study time you get after 2nd year?
- what percentage of 1st and 2nd year classes are tested using NBME subject exams?
- are there any resources offered that are specifically geared toward step 1 (tutoring, specialized classes/lectures, etc)?

...those are the kind of questions you should be asking at your interview! i heard the question "does this school teach toward the boards" a few times and that's a silly question because every school can say yes by interpreting the question differently. average step 1 scores are a decent measure of the above but can be skewed by many other factors so it shouldn't factor into your calculation as much as the above questions.

at my school they increased the dedicated study time, changed most classes to NBME subject exam finals and step 1 scores rose dramatically. don't underestimate the influence a school's policies can have on your step 1 score!
 
Guys, I understand your arguments, but they are simply not supported by evidence. As the first article showed, there is no difference between performance and school curriculum or name.

To address the issue of time allocated for step performance, I urge you to do look at the data. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12377693

Article: "Sooner or later? USMLE step 1 performance and test administration date at the end of the second year."

After adjustment based on medical school performance, as reflected in the scores predicted from the linear regression model, mean student performances on the comprehensive examination within all time periods were similar regardless of when the USMLE Step 1 was taken. At our medical school, factors have been identified that predict test taker's outcomes for Step 1. These internal markers include success on MCAT science scores as well as on several of the second-year courses (introduction to clinical medicine, pathology, pharmacology). As depicted in Table 1, the differences in actual performance were attributable to differences in students' academic abilities that could be predicted two weeks or more before they took the test.
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Jalby said:
I completely disagree with your use analysis, completely.

If you had twins, and you gave one student 4 weeks to study for a test, and you gave the other student 8 weeks to study for a test, which student do you think would perform better on the test???

Simple question and simple answer.
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The answer to this is, "Whichever had studied more diligently for the 2 years in preparation for the test." Again, this is a test of cumulative knowledge. After 2 years of training, I wouldn't expect another few weeks to make a difference. That much is supported by evidence.
 
Valadi said:
Guys, I understand your arguments, but they are simply not supported by evidence. As the first article showed, there is no difference between performance and school curriculum or name.

To address the issue of time allocated for step performance, I urge you to do look at the data. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12377693

Article: "Sooner or later? USMLE step 1 performance and test administration date at the end of the second year."
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You quoted a study from 2002. The other study was a survey from 1994 to 2004. Heck, first aid for the boards had just started coming out and there wasn't test banks of questions that you can be doing. The Kaplan online questions was only about 3 years old when I took step 1. At that time most programs were didactic (8-5 PM lectures) It was only when I was about to start school (2004 or so) that most of the medical schools started switching to PBL with more study time for boards.

Why do you think they did that?? Because a few programs had done that and saw their board scores go up. Giving 4 weeks to study for boards is what was done 20 years ago and by schools that havn't adapted.
 
I'm not sure why I continue to argue this except that I don't want others to base where they attend medical school largely to maximize their step scores.

In the first article which analyzed data from the 90's, 10-25% of curricula were PBL (depending on the year). In this study (http://www.stfm.org/fmhub/fm2009/June/Kent420.pdf), which was from 1994-2004 (albeit the sama data source as the first study, but using a different model) approximately 15% of curricula were PBL based. Still no difference was found. In fact, PBL has been around since the '70s.

Live commercial courses (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12787375) have not been found to improve step performance.

While I agree that commercial test prep material has improved in quality in the last 10 years, this material is available to students from all schools.

What HAS been shown to significantly improve board scores - by an average 10 point increase - is formal teaching sessions led by senior medical students (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17594215, 2007). If you find a school that does that, then I would suggest it would indeed be worth attending.

I don't believe the evolution of test prep companies would change these findings, given that the majority fit within the traditional 5 week mark, but you are right that more research is needed. As per curricula, until there is data to support that they influence step 1 score, I would be breaking the basic tenets of science by believing that it does. When the data shows that, I will happily change my view.
 
Jalby said:
I completely disagree with your use analysis, completely.

If you had twins, and you gave one student 4 weeks to study for a test, and you gave the other student 8 weeks to study for a test, which student do you think would perform better on the test???

Simple question and simple answer.
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The 4 week twin would score higher. After 4 weeks of intense studying, you get really tired of it all. I burnt out at 5 weeks. Had I been required to study 8 weeks, I would have scored much worse.

Even schools that allow 8 weeks to study have a majority of students only use 3-5 weeks for actual study.

My roommate burned out after 2 weeks. He moved up his test date and scored >95%ile.
 
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 237, 235 (2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
I didn't read the whole thread to see if any others have made this point, but I have taken Step I and Step II and it is totally and completely based on your individual effort.

If some schools have higher averages than others it is not because the schools "teach to the test," which would be awful btw, but because the students put more into it.

Do not, repeat, do not, decide where to apply or attend based on Step I averages.
 
slowbutsteady said:
i didn't read the whole thread to see if any others have made this point, but i have taken step i and step ii and it is totally and completely based on your individual effort.

If some schools have higher averages than others it is not because the schools "teach to the test," which would be awful btw, but because the students put more into it.

Do not, repeat, do not, decide where to apply or attend based on step i averages.
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slowbutsteady said:
I didn't read the whole thread to see if any others have made this point, but I have taken Step I and Step II and it is totally and completely based on your individual effort.

If some schools have higher averages than others it is not because the schools "teach to the test," which would be awful btw, but because the students put more into it.
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This is not entirely true.

As an example, a large state Pharmacy School had pass rates on their licensing exam off the charts compared to sister schools. It was eventually leaked that for years the school hosted a review course by one senior professor who was divulging released and unreleased exam questions to students (questions obtained from prior years students). Now that this was found out and people have been sued for copyright violations, the review course is no longer offered and pass rates at the school are now similar to the sister schools.

A popular, small medical school in the midwest, while I was on revisit and speaking to one of the senior medical school faculty, bragged that they teach their students NBME questions that are written by some of their faculty (including questions that are ever so slightly altered). This person offered this information to me and another revisiting student to entice us to attend. Apart from all the great things this school has, why offer that the school promotes this sort of unfairness?

I would not be surprised that other schools do not leak test questions to their students and in the process promote a slight (<5 point) increase in step 1 scores for their students.

After taking step 1, I can attest that it is almost all based on personal effort and not school curricula.
 
1) some schools find a dip or increase in step 1 scores after they implement a new curriculum.

2) even if scores are based on only individual effort, school averages are a useful gauge of the average student quality at a given school.
 
Forgive me for being skeptical, but schools can release scores any way they'd like due to the fact that they are not obligated to release scores in any official manner- e.g. only including people who passed, only including people who go on to graduate, etc.

Somehow everyone's step 1 score is above average.......is it just me, or based on the statistics presented here, shouldn't the national step 1 average be around 230-235?

Based on charting the outcomes 2011 (US only) -
466 had scores >260
1229 has scores from 250-260
and there were 16,559 allopathic students in the match

So.....that means only about 10% of students scored >250; there are appx 134 med schools with about 124 students/school. Each school should have about 12 students scoring >250. I go to a state school with no name recognition. We had a handful of people score about 250. Assuming every lowly medical school like mine has a handful of students with high scores, there is no way there are enough high scores left over for schools like harvard, hopkins, etc to have every score be over 240.

For example, Baylor is listed at 244. That means that baylor has 1 student over 250 for every student that has a score below 239. They have ~175 students. That means baylor would have at least 50 students over 250 (based on a roughly standard distribution). If they have 3% of scores >250 but only ~ 1% of students..........well, do the math.

I'm not saying all the statistics listed are incorrect, but they can't all be right. The numbers reported here are either manipulated, inaccurate or every school not listed above has an average step 1 of 200 or lower.....
 
how accurate/inaccurate would it be to look at UMiami's Boca Campus as somewhat indicative of FAUs potential Step Scores since they have the same curriculum/faculty as they did under UMiami...
from what I understand 15/16 of the first Boca Class had that campus as their only medical school choice, so I can imagine the caliber of the student would have changed too drastically since going out on their own...
Thanks!
 
FSU2013 said:
Somehow everyone's step 1 score is above average.......is it just me, or based on the statistics presented here, shouldn't the national step 1 average be around 230-235?

Based on charting the outcomes 2011 (US only) -
466 had scores >260
1229 has scores from 250-260
and there were 16,559 allopathic students in the match

So.....that means only about 10% of students scored >250; there are appx 134 med schools with about 124 students/school. Each school should have about 12 students scoring >250. I go to a state school with no name recognition. We had a handful of people score about 250. Assuming every lowly medical school like mine has a handful of students with high scores, there is no way there are enough high scores left over for schools like harvard, hopkins, etc to have every score be over 240.

For example, Baylor is listed at 244. That means that baylor has 1 student over 250 for every student that has a score below 239. They have ~175 students. That means baylor would have at least 50 students over 250 (based on a roughly standard distribution). If they have 3% of scores >250 but only ~ 1% of students..........well, do the math.

I'm not saying all the statistics listed are incorrect, but they can't all be right. The numbers reported here are either manipulated, inaccurate or every school not listed above has an average step 1 of 200 or lower.....
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I think you're making a lot of questionable math assumptions... For example, Baylor can have 4 students averaging 246 for every one student with a 239 and still have above a 244 avg.

The average score on this list (used the single most recent score for schools that "provided" more than one year) is 228.5. The national average is 221.

On the list, there is a very high proportion of "elite" schools with high MCAT avgs (which are known to be reported accurately and I think are correlated with step 1 - Cincy showed us stats on this at our interview I believe) on this list - not shocking because you would expect these schools to be proud of their scores --> report them to their students/applicants --> students/applicants be proud --> report them to this forum.

The fact that this list, given the schools that are on it, is 7.5 points above the national average doesn't seem outrageous to me. I do agree there are plenty of reasons to be skeptical though.
 
If I were applying to med school again the amt of protected Step 1 prep time would be a major consideration. I didn't even consider this when applying. Luckily I had up to 7 wks allowed and used 6 of them. If I were only given 4 weeks I imagine my score would have been at least ten points lower, even if I would have tried studying more during the end of the year.
 
At one of my interviews our tour guide was bragging about the school's step 1 scores. But then he said that all schools' step scores, including this school's, have to be taken with a grain of salt. For reporting their "average" most schools only use the first batch of students to take step 1. Meaning all the students who didn't feel ready and waited a little longer often don't get reported. That may partially explain the discrepancy between NRMP's average applicant score and the scores each school use for recruiting.
 
Last year Dr. Sattar, who is the main pathology teacher at UChicago and the creator of Pathoma, came to my school to advertise Pathoma. He said the year before (2009) Pathoma was implemented the UChicago average was 236 and after Pathoma (which most UChicago students used) the average increased to 247 in 2010. I am 100% positive that this came right out of Dr. Sattar's mouth. I witnessed it! Annndd I was shocked.


bassvp said:
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 237, 235 (2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009), 247 (2010)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
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I would just like to add that the quoted score of the first class to take Step 1 at Texas Tech in El Paso was a 226 with a 97% pass right (meaning 1 person didn't pass).

Originally Posted by bassvp
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 237, 235 (2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
Texas Tech at El Paso: 226 (2011)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009), 247 (2010)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
http://www.med-ed.virginia.edu/handbook/pdf/usmle1-11.pdf

Unless you see this, don't trust any score that's reported.

Doing well on boards depends on only one thing. You. I don't care how much time after second year you get to study. I had four weeks. But I had studied for the prior 2.5 months only for boards. Step 1 trumps everything you do the first two years. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you'll stop wasting time studying for class.
 
Originally Posted by bassvp
Baylor: 244, 239, 235 (2011/2010?, 2009, ?)
Case Western Reserve: 230 (SD=21; average 2007-2010); 235 (2011); 231 (2010)
Cleveland Clinic: 232 (2009; 100% pass), 229 (100% pass rate)
Columbia University: 237, 235 (2010,2009)
Dartmouth: 236 (2009)
Drexel: 220 (2005)
Duke: 236
FSU: 218 (class of 2011 96% pass)
Georgetown: 227
Indiana University: 222
Jefferson: 221 (2005)
Mayo Medical School: 240, 238, 236, 234, 230 (2007, 2006, 2003, 2002, 2001)
Mount Sinai: 234
Northwestern: 233, 230 (2003, 2002)
NYMC: 223 (2009)
NYU: 238 (2008)
Penn State: 227 (2009' 97% pass)
SUNY Upstate: 222 (2008)
SUNY Stony Brook: 233 (2011)
Texas Tech at El Paso: 226 (2011)
Texas Tech at Lubbock: 231 (2009)
Temple: ~215ish
Uchicago: 236.2 (2009), 247 (2010)
University of Cincinnati: 233
UConn: Step 1=219, Step 2=230
UMass: 2010, 91% pass
UMDNJ-NJMS: 220 (2002)
UMDNJ-RWJ: 221 (2002), 232 (2008)
University of Miami (Miami Campus)- 229
University of Miami (Boca Campus)- 234
University of Missouri - 229 (2010), 233 (2009)
University of Florida: 234, 227 (2005, 2004)
University of Iowa: 223 (2002)
UIC-Chicago: 221 (2008, for c/o 2010, 99% pass)
University of Louisville: 222 (2009, 94% pass)
University of Michigan: 235, 237 (2008)
University of Pennsylvania: 238, 236, 234, 236, 235 (2006, 2005, 2004, 2003,2002)
University of Pittsburgh: 227 (2004 or earlier)
University of Southern California: 233 (2007)
USouthFlorida:~220
University of Virginia: 233 (SD = 20; 2011, 97% pass), 236 (SD=18; 2010, 99% pass); 233 (SD = 19; 2009; 97% pass); 235 (SD=17; 2008; 99% pass)
University of Toledo: 217
UT Houston: 232, 220 (2009, 2006)
UTHSCA: 225 (from LCME probation response email)
UTMB: 226 (2008)
UTSW: 233, 233, 230 (2008, 2007, 2006)
Vanderbilt: 237, 240, 243 (2007, 2008, 2009)
VCU: 225
UWash: ~215ish
Wake Forest: 219
WashU: 235
 
rocketbooster said:
Last year Dr. Sattar, who is the main pathology teacher at UChicago and the creator of Pathoma, came to my school to advertise Pathoma. He said the year before (2009) Pathoma was implemented the UChicago average was 236 and after Pathoma (which most UChicago students used) the average increased to 247 in 2010. I am 100% positive that this came right out of Dr. Sattar's mouth. I witnessed it! Annndd I was shocked.
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If this is true, why weren't the admissions staff showing off with it? I asked about the scores on my interview day and got the run-around. I agree with "UVAbme2009" can't trust the really high scores by word of mouth without official printed score breakdown from NBME or at least an official post from the school itself
 
AWK87DOC said:
If this is true, why weren't the admissions staff showing off with it? I asked about the scores on my interview day and got the run-around. I agree with "UVAbme2009" can't trust the really high scores by word of mouth without official printed score breakdown from NBME or at least an official post from the school itself
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My schools average is 280. :)
 
TexasPhysician said:
There are dozens of ways to "skew" the above numbers, and they are frequently used by administration. I personally know that some of the above numbers are "skewed" to make them look more impressive.

Just know that any medical school in the US can help you score well. Don't worry about the compilation at all.
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+1

Neuroticism OVER 9000!!!! You guys need to relax. Please tell me no one here picked their undergrad based on their MCAT scores.
 
can someone please post the most recent scores for Stanford, Hopkins, and UCSF?
 
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