2008 US News Medical School Rankings

Keg said:

But word on the street (take that for what it's worth)

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emoticons can't express what the "word on the street" is worth.

Keg said:

Will be released officially April 1 (I think). But word on the street ....

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Did you get this from your bookie?

notdeadyet said:

Did you get this from your bookie?

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No, he has a mole inside USNews.

Keg, how much did you pay for this information?

Uhh... they're exactly the same as this year's.

Wait!?!?!? Harvard?!?!?! Really!??!?!? Wo.....

Duke, Stanford, and UW did a little shuffle, but nothing too exciting there.

Dr Durden said:

Duke, Stanford, and UW did a little shuffle, but nothing too exciting there.

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Not even. Copying from my 2007 online edition:


Edit: my bad.

Double Edit: Interesting. It depends on which link you clink on the USNews website. The "medicine grad school" link on the first rankings page just spews out the old junk, whereas if I go through rankings--->grad schools---> medicine----> research, I apparently get the new stuff.

I still see the old list...

Strange... your method didn't work for me, Severus. Any idea what the top 10-30 are then?

The Doctor said:

Strange... your method didn't work for me, Severus. Any idea what the top 10-30 are then?

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Hmmm... I'll PM you what I'm getting. I know it's different because previously Columbia had been ranked #11 (with an overall score of 69 or something) and Pitt had been #16, and Case #22 (if I recall correctly). They all have moved up a spot.

Edit: at first it was not working for me again, then after signing in and out a couple of times, I got a change. This is beginning to make me think I'm going crazy.

Hey Severus, could you PM me what you're seeing on the website as well?

hmm i still get the old list as well even using your method...did you renew your subscription at some point recently? I am pretty sure they expire after the year you paid for is no longer valid, right?

The fact that US News crams 10+ schools into the Top 10 rankings is pretty ridiculous.

Hey sev,

Could you post 10-30? I can't get it to work with either of your methods.

The Doctor said:

Strange... your method didn't work for me, Severus. Any idea what the top 10-30 are then?

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13. UCLA
14. UCSD
15. Cornell
U. of Chicago
Pitt
18. Vanderbilt
19. UTSW
20. UNC
21. Case
Northwestern
23. Emory
Mayo
Colorado
UVA
27. Mt. Sinai
UAB
Wisconsin
30. Iowa (Carver)

johnnydrama said:

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oh, my bad . . .

tdd340 said:

13. UCLA
14. UCSD
15. Cornell
U. of Chicago
Pitt
18. Vanderbilt
19. UTSW
20. UNC
21. Case
Northwestern
23. Emory
Mayo
Colorado
UVA
27. Mt. Sinai
UAB
Wisconsin
30. Iowa (Carver)

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Finally, someone else got the same thing.

A lot of the schools don't look like they've moved much. The only thing which makes me think this is real is the fact that their numerical score for each school has changed (slightly). This accounts for similar positions but different rank, I suppose.

if those are right, emory is really moving on up in the world, to that deluxe apartment in the skyyyy...or wait did it only move like one spot?

Severus said:

Finally, someone else got the same thing.

A lot of the schools don't look like they've moved much. The only thing which makes me think this is real is the fact that their numerical score for each school has changed (slightly). This accounts for similar positions but different rank, I suppose.

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Yea these are definitely new. I know that UIC moved up from 62 to 56, Rush dropped out of the research rankings, etc...

anyone care to post the rest of the list?

thanks in advance

blackrsx said:

anyone care to post the rest of the list?

thanks in advance

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I'll try to get to it. I think I have to delete all of the numerical data (a chore) because otherwise I'll get banned (again).

Severus said:

I'll try to get to it. I think I have to delete all of the numerical data (a chore) because otherwise I'll get banned (again).

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<3

Pretty soon they are going to have 20+ schools in the top 10

delete... duplicate info and besides, tdd's list is prettier than mine.

31 Ohio State University
32 Dartmouth Medical School (NH)
32 Oregon Health and Science University
34 Boston University
34 Brown University (RI)
34 New York University
34 University of Rochester (NY)
38 University of Southern California (Keck)
39 University of Minnesota Medical School
39 Yeshiva University (Einstein) (NY)
41 University of California&#8211;Irvine
41 University of Cincinnati
41 University of Maryland
44 Georgetown University (DC)
44 Indiana University&#8211;Indianapolis
44 Wake Forest University (NC)
47 Tufts University (MA)
48 University of Florida
49 University of California&#8211;Davis
49 University of Massachusetts&#8211;Worcester
49 University of Utah
52 Medical College of Wisconsin
52 University of Connecticut
54 Stony Brook University (NY)
54 University of Texas Medical Branch&#8211;Galveston
56 Tulane University (LA)
56 University of Illinois&#8211;Chicago
56 University of Miami (Miller) (FL)
59 University of Vermont
60 Jefferson Medical College (PA)
60 St. Louis University
60 UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School
60. Univ. of Texas Health Science Center&#8211;Houston

Damn and that took a while too, had to beat me to it Sev

Sweet, now I know which medical schools get the most grant money...

tdd340 said:

Damn and that took a while too, had to beat me to it Sev

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That's because mine was crappy and ill-spaced. Your list gets beauty points.

I posted this a couple of years ago. It does not include the 2007 or 2008 rankings, but provides interesting perspective.
These are all of the USNEWS rankings of research med schools over the past years that they they ranked schools. The schools are listed in order of the 2004 rankings.

2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1995 1993
Harvard 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
Wash U 3 2 3 4 3 4 3 5 4 5 5
Hopkins 2 3 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2
Duke 6 4 5 3 5 6 4 3 5 6 6
U Penn 4 4 4 4 3 3 4 7 6 7 7
UCSF 5 6 6 7 7 6 7 4 6 4 4
U Mich 9 7 8 9 12 10 9 9 9 11
Columbia 10 8 7 6 5 8 7 8 8 8 8
Stanford 8 8 11 9 10 10 9 10 10 9 9
U Wash 7 10 10 11 9 9 13 13 11 9 9
Yale 11 10 9 8 7 5 4 6 3 3 3
Cornell 14 12 11 11 14 13 9 12 12 17
Baylor 13 13 13 11 12 15 13 15 15 15
UCLA 11 14 13 14 10 10 12 11 13 12
U Pitt 16 15 17 20 19 24 19 17 17 18
Vanderbilt 1715 16 16 16 16 15 14 14 14
UCSD 14 17 20 24 23 22 19 20 18 13
UTSW 17 17 17 17 19 19 17 21 20
Emory 20 19 20 22 19 19 21 19 24
Northwestern 20 20 22 20 22 21 25
UNC 23 20 22 24 23 22
Mayo 23 22 15 15 15 14 24 24 22
U Chicago 19 22 19 17 18 18 18 16 16 16
Case 20 24 22 17 17 16 15 18 19 19
U Alabama 23 25 28 27 26 24 25
UVa 26 25 27 28 30 28
U Wisc 26 25 31 30 31 32
MSSM 32 28 22 23 23 27
Iowa 28 28 30 29 32 30
NYU 32 30 26 24 27 24 21 23 22 20
U Colorado 30 31 31 33 33 33
U Rochester 30 32 28 31 28 30
USC 32 32 36 43 40 36
Dartmouth 35 34 34 34 36 41
OHSU 35 34 35 35 39 36
U Minn 38 34 36 35 33 36
Yeshiva/Einstein 38 37 31 32 28 28 24 22 21
OSU 37 38 44 40 40 39
Indiana 45 39 47 43 40 41
Tufts 43 40 43 37 36 41
U Florida 46 40 44 40 44 45
Wake 41 40 39 43 50 45
Boston U 28 43 39 37 33 33
Brown 40 43 39 40 44
Georgetown 46 43 43 44 39
U Cinn 41 43 44 48 40 45
U Maryland 43 43 39 43 44 48
Utah xx 48 38 39 36 33
UCD 46 49
Jefferson xx 50 48 50 48
MCW xx 50 50 50
U Miami xx 50 49 48 50
UCI 46 53
U Mass 50 53 48 48 44 41
UT-Houston xx 53
StonyBrook xx 56
Tulane xx 56
UMDNJ xx RWJ 56
U Conn xx 59
VCU/MCV xx 60

why is penn ranked higher than ucsf and stanford? i didn't know that they had that good a program - is it just being located in philly or something?

etf said:

why is penn ranked higher than ucsf and stanford? i didn't know that they had that good a program - is it just being located in philly or something?

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This is precisely why I absolutely love Penn. Fantastic curriculum, great city, and incredible school. For those in the know, they know how good it is, but to lay people, it doesn't carry the weight and pretention of a Johns Hopkins or Harvard...

HumbleMD said:

This is precisely why I absolutely love Penn. Fantastic curriculum, great city, and incredible school. For those in the know, they know how good it is, but to lay people, it doesn't carry the weight and pretention of a Johns Hopkins or Harvard...

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I agree with this, except for the "great city" part. Philly blows. You'll learn this if you go to Penn. Even people from Philly seem to hate Philly.

tdd340 said:

13. UCLA

15. Cornell
U. of Chicago
Pitt
18. Vanderbilt

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Hah! Vandy, that's what you get for waitlisting me while UChicago let me in. Suckers. And now I can say I'll be attending a top-15 school...hmm.

rme04, that's a really interesting list. I'd be pissed if I were an admissions person at NYU -- not such a great trend, esp if they are #34 this year like someone else said. Of course, these rankings are all kind of stupid...

U of Florida is #1 in my heart

HumbleMD said:

This is precisely why I absolutely love Penn. Fantastic curriculum, great city, and incredible school. For those in the know, they know how good it is, but to lay people, it doesn't carry the weight and pretention of a Johns Hopkins or Harvard...

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not "carrrying weight" is a negative, not a positive. prentention obviously has a negative connotation, but that's more dependent on the person than the institution. there's nothing inherently pretentious about going to hopkins - it only becomes pretentious when you make it that way.

lol, though from your mdapps it seems like you'll probably be heading towards philly anyway - congratulations, and don't be "pretentious" about it

Interesting choice of comparison, etf. [Re: Post #33] I'd have thought you'd have wondered about Duke and Yale. Are you from CA?

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not "carrrying weight" is a negative, not a positive. prentention obviously has a negative connotation, but that's more dependent on the person than the institution. there's nothing inherently pretentious about going to hopkins - it only becomes pretentious when you make it that way.

lol, though from your mdapps it seems like you'll probably be heading towards philly anyway - congratulations, and don't be "pretentious" about it

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Sure, some people want a name that carries "weight" with their patients and/or women at the bar. UPenn indeed carries weight in the medical community and those who know anything about medical schools which is where it actually counts (positive). I'm guessing you go on name mostly, though. I see pretension and ivory-towerness as hindrances to interacting with my patients (a negative), not as a plus but note I plan on working with underserved pops.

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I'm absolutely with you on your priorities... only UW is my Penn.

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Another perfect example.

WashU just beat UCSF this year.

Sorry I'm just bitter.

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Sure, some people want a name that carries "weight" with their patients and/or women at the bar. UPenn indeed carries weight in the medical community and those who know anything about medical schools which is where it actually counts (positive). I'm guessing you go on name mostly, though. I see pretension and ivory-towerness as hindrances to interacting with my patients (a negative), not as a plus but note I plan on working with underserved pops.

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i guess the weight i was talking about is pretty much the same as your idea of weight - namely the reputation it has with people who know anything about medical schools. i still don't see how going to hopkins automatically makes you pretentious, especially when patients are involved, because i would imagine that patient's don't really give an s where you went to school, as long as you get them better asap. i'm personally not one to go on name, because frankly i won't be in the position to make those kinds of decisions - i'm just trying (again) to get into any u.s. medical school that will have me. don't take this the wrong way - i've got nothing against penn, and would be honored to even interview at a school of that caliber. all i'm saying is that choosing penn because it doesn't have a seemingly flashy name like harvard is ridiculous.

Dr Durden said:

Duke, Stanford, and UW did a little shuffle, but nothing too exciting there.

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Yale too yay!

Towelie said:

I agree with this, except for the "great city" part. Philly blows. You'll learn this if you go to Penn. Even people from Philly seem to hate Philly.

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Aw, I go to school in Philly, and I love it here.

Severus said:

Finally, someone else got the same thing.

A lot of the schools don't look like they've moved much. The only thing which makes me think this is real is the fact that their numerical score for each school has changed (slightly). This accounts for similar positions but different rank, I suppose.

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I got it too. When you log in as a subscriber you get the new list and when you log out and try to look at the list you see the old data.

QuakerPreMed said:

Hah! Vandy, that's what you get for waitlisting me while UChicago let me in. Suckers. And now I can say I'll be attending a top-15 school...hmm.

rme04, that's a really interesting list. I'd be pissed if I were an admissions person at NYU -- not such a great trend, esp if they are #34 this year like someone else said. Of course, these rankings are all kind of stupid...

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Hahahaha...well just look at the peer assessment and residency director scores, and you'll see Vandy beats UChicago!!! 4.0/4.1 (Chicago) vs. 4.1/4.2 (Vandy)!! And I agree, the rankings ARE stupid, but kind of fun to look at and argue over petty things that really won't matter in the end.

some people want a name that carries "weight" with [...] women at the bar

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Some of us need all the help we can get!

I think they release rankings this time of year because they know we have nothing better to talk about on SDN than the new rankings

Had they released these a few months earlier, we'd all be too busy with secondary apps and interviews to care