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Newt is well spoken, has a good grasp of history and more than enough self regard, but I say Obama will float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Obama wins handily by a decision. All IMHO. Ron Paul, on the other hand...he might not win the match, but could put Barry down on the ring a few counts.
 
imfrankie said:
Newt is well spoken, has a good grasp of history and more than enough self regard, but I say Obama will float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Obama wins handily by a decision. All IMHO. Ron Paul, on the other hand...he might not win the match, but could put Barry down on the ring a few counts.
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Wow, I couldn't disagree more. Newt is probably the smartest dude on the national scene since Clinton. I think he'd roll (pun intended) over Obama...

Too bad Newt is a tough guy when it comes to war however.....
How are we allowing these "war hawks" get away with involving the U.S. in foreign intervention after foreign intervention?? And, it's both sides of the isle, really.

When will we say enough is enough and stop believing we're busy spreading "democracy"....? We need to peace out. Seriously. These are dangerous games we're playing. How many more enemies are we making whenever some little girl gets killed in some foreign land by one of our drone attacks?
 
imfrankie said:
Newt is well spoken, has a good grasp of history and more than enough self regard, but I say Obama will float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Obama wins handily by a decision. All IMHO. Ron Paul, on the other hand...he might not win the match, but could put Barry down on the ring a few counts.
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Agreed. Newt's smart but has foot-in-mouth disease. He's got major skeletons in the closet and regrettable statements/positions on multiple issues. Those will come up and be difficult to disregard. A lot will depend on what the economy looks like at the time of the debates though.
 
Pooh & Annie said:
Agreed. Newt's smart but has foot-in-mouth disease. He's got major skeletons in the closet and regrettable statements/positions on multiple issues. Those will come up and be difficult to disregard. A lot will depend on what the economy looks like at the time of the debates though.
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Newt would kill Obama in an actual debate because Obama cannot speak definitively on the issues either because he doesn't understand or his feelings are too far left to actually admit to.
Unfortuntely, presidential debates aren't debates at all. They are the opportunity to take turns giving empty speeches that last a few minutes, usually don't answer the question, and are full of empty remarks that only sound like good answers to their supporters and idiots, who make up far to large a portion of the electorate.
I predict that Obama will not agree to any actually debate, such as a Lincoln-Douglas debate. He can't hold his own when pressed. He'd rather just talk about hope and fair share and pretend he actually says something meaningful, but he never does,
 
I believe in the concept of the "false Left - Right paradigm". Wall Street owns both parties, so while we all get our panties in a bunch about less meaningful social issues, the real bosses are still in charge. They don't care about gay marriage, universal healthcare, support/cut-backs in the military, so long as they can continue the theft that we see almost daily.

MF Global..... wow.

The House Agriculture Committee voted unanimously on Friday to force Mr. Corzine to appear at a hearing next Thursday about MF Global, where as much as $1.2 billion in customer money remains missing. Customers of the brokerage firm included farmers and agriculture companies, as well as hedge funds and other investors.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/house-committee-subpoenas-corzine/

Any bets as to whether he gets any jail time? I'm sure he'll pay a "steep" financial penalty, however, which he can easily afford. At least it got someone's attention. Better than nothing.

How about this guy? Think he'll pay for any of this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/29/how-treasury-secretary-he_n_1118442.html?ref=business
 
imfrankie said:
Newt is well spoken, has a good grasp of history and more than enough self regard, but I say Obama will float like a butterfly, sting like a bee. Obama wins handily by a decision.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh: That's funny right there - I don't care who y'are - that's funny right there!

Seriously? Obama is zero substance, 100% BS.
 
jwk said:
:laugh::laugh::laugh: That's funny right there - I don't care who y'are - that's funny right there!

Seriously? Obama is zero substance, 100% BS.
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I didn't say anything about substance. I said I think Obama will win the debate against the "I'm not a lobbyist, I'm an historian" Newt G.
 
Cardio2b said:
I believe in the concept of the "false Left - Right paradigm". Wall Street owns both parties, so while we all get our panties in a bunch about less meaningful social issues, the real bosses are still in charge. They don't care about gay marriage, universal healthcare, support/cut-backs in the military, so long as they can continue the theft that we see almost daily.

MF Global..... wow.

The House Agriculture Committee voted unanimously on Friday to force Mr. Corzine to appear at a hearing next Thursday about MF Global, where as much as $1.2 billion in customer money remains missing. Customers of the brokerage firm included farmers and agriculture companies, as well as hedge funds and other investors.

http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/house-committee-subpoenas-corzine/

Any bets as to whether he gets any jail time? I'm sure he'll pay a "steep" financial penalty, however, which he can easily afford. At least it got someone's attention. Better than nothing.

How about this guy? Think he'll pay for any of this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...sury-secretary-he_n_1118442.html?ref=business
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Bravo! Glad to see someone who gets the real issue at hand. The Federal Reserve and the bankes need to be stopped. Ron Paul is the only one willing to face them.
 
Read your own posts people. It's pathetic. Politics for you is an entertainment like a boxing match. Instead of worrying about finding the candidate that better serves you, you are daydreaming about nonsense.

You are whats wrong with America.
 
urge said:
Bravo! Glad to see someone who gets the real issue at hand. The Federal Reserve and the bankes need to be stopped. Ron Paul is the only one willing to face them.
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This is why he's been marginalized by the media as being "unelectable". He gets way less media coverage than his popularity warrants. Yet the media (the enemies of Ron Paul's ideas have far-reaching influence and are about the most powerful people in the US) would have you believe that somehow his ideas are unrealistic or impracticable.

Well, I see a LESS interventionalist foreign policy as being a whole lot MORE practicle.

Also, it's not as if this guy will convert this country to more sanity overnight. He would still have Congress and their lobbiest masters to content with. He'd just be a breath of fresh air which is badly needed.
 
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urge said:
Read your own posts people. It's pathetic. Politics for you is an entertainment like a boxing match. Instead of worrying about finding the candidate that better serves you, you are daydreaming about nonsense.

You are whats wrong with America.
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Rx: Increase Prune Juice to TID
 
GypsySongman said:
Newt would kill Obama in an actual debate because Obama cannot speak definitively on the issues either because he doesn't understand or his feelings are too far left to actually admit to.

I predict that Obama will not agree to any actually debate, such as a Lincoln-Douglas debate. He can't hold his own when pressed. He'd rather just talk about hope and fair share and pretend he actually says something meaningful, but he never does,
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So true. When Obama speaks absolutely nothing comes out. But all his groupies still fawn over him like he's a Beatle or something, and say, "Wowowowow, did you hear him? He's sooooooo smart!!!! I think I'm in love!!!"
 
urge said:
Read your own posts people. It's pathetic. Politics for you is an entertainment like a boxing match. Instead of worrying about finding the candidate that better serves you, you are daydreaming about nonsense.

You are whats wrong with America.
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I find it absurdly comical that Newt--a guy who was already shown the door out of Congress for ethics violations--compares himself to Lincoln or Douglas.
 
Cardio2b said:
MF Global..... wow.

The House Agriculture Committee voted unanimously on Friday to force Mr. Corzine to appear at a hearing next Thursday about MF Global, where as much as $1.2 billion in customer money remains missing. Customers of the brokerage firm included farmers and agriculture companies, as well as hedge funds and other investors.

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The media is not talking about the significance of the way MF Global's bankruptcy is being handled. Listen to this interview so you get an idea how people are getting screwed.

http://www.financialsense.com/finan...ptions-market-destroyed-by-mf-global-collapse
 
urge said:
The media is not talking about the significance of the way MF Global's bankruptcy is being handled. Listen to this interview so you get an idea how people are getting screwed.

http://www.financialsense.com/finan...ptions-market-destroyed-by-mf-global-collapse
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From the above link (italicized below); (the real puppet masters are not the f.cking President guys. They are indeed a small group of financiers that have always, but increasingly so, ran the show.) I'm not saying the president is insignificant, but the "issues" which are "debated' are almost a sideshow to the real damage being done by the gangsters on Wall Street. The facts are everywhere, so I need not waste my time posting links to support this view which in my opinion is totally obvious.

And while perhaps not as tactful as many would warm to, Urge is right on. Ron Paul is the only guy willing to take on these criminals. The criminals know this and that's why he is as marginalized to such an extent as he is. It's not a coincedence.

You tell me. I will use the word again, it is suicidal. What they did was suicidal. So you are absolutely right. Up until last month on Friday, October 31st, the customer segregation of funds rule was utterly sacrosanct. Even when Refco imploded and imploded quite dramatically in 2005, no customer funds were gone. It was on the prop trading side of the company but the customer funds were there, were accounted for, and it is the onus of the Mercantile Exchange to audit these FCMs [Futures Commission Merchant]. MF Global was under the auspices and under the supervision, of the auditing supervision, of the CME. And I believe that MF was audited not just annually, but quarterly. Also, there is the question of how in the world can the Merc miss the margin being posted. The Merc is supposed to be moving equity and doing margin wire transfers twice a day every day. How could those customer funds be "missing". They aren't missing. They were stolen. They were stolen by Jon Corzine and his cadre of associates at MF Global. So yes, again, to your listeners who may not fully appreciate the gravity of this, this has never, ever happened before. Nothing even close to this has ever even happened before and it is the function of the Mercantile Exchange itself—the reason why the exchanges exist is that they stand in the middle of every transaction and they act as the de facto counterparty to every single transaction so that, for example, my clients never had to worry about the credit worthiness of the other individual, whoever it might be, who is on the other side of any trade that they did.

We sure are seeing a lot of "firsts". I firmly believe that these people feel that the country is gone. That there is no "us" as in USA. It's a global playground for them. And they don't care about you or me or anyone aside from their smaller circle of friends, associates, and families. And don't be fooled by the obligatory philanthropic endeavor, which much like the token fines they may pay here and there, is a drop in the bucket and probably done mostly for PR.
 
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Newt is not good looking. Shallow as that sounds, it actually docks him significant debate/tv points. With a just as unattractive past, he will loose to Obama easy. Romney is the GOP's best shot. This whole illusion that Obama is some dumb basketball playing novice, who is about to get destroyed in the general elections is only a GOP dream. Obama is a formidable candidiate, who will only be beaten by another solid candidiate. That fool is a professor of law, which means he does not only argue for a living, he teaches people how to argue. Go ask Hilary and Mccain. Stacked up against dumb freaks like Rick perry and Herman Cain, Newt might sound like a genius, but there is no telling how he will perform against Obama. Just Nominate Romney already!
 
Osteoimperfecta said:
Newt is not good looking. Shallow as that sounds, it actually docks him significant debate/tv points. With a just as unattractive past, he will loose to Obama easy. Romney is the GOP's best shot. This whole illusion that Obama is some dumb basketball playing novice, who is about to get destroyed in the general elections is only a GOP dream. Obama is a formidable candidiate, who will only be beaten by another solid candidiate. That fool is a professor of law, which means he does not only argue for a living, he teaches people how to argue. Go ask Hilary and Mccain. Stacked up against dumb freaks like Rick perry and Herman Cain, Newt might sound like a genius, but there is no telling how he will perform against Obama. Just Nominate Romney already!
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It is a shame that this is the best that the parties can bring forward. The good people of America won't do it because it destroys your personal life and digs up every single bad decision that you may have ever made in your life. No one can withstand that scrutiny. The process is broken.
 
Gern Blansten said:
It is a shame that this is the best that the parties can bring forward. The good people of America won't do it because it destroys your personal life and digs up every single bad decision that you may have ever made in your life. No one can withstand that scrutiny. The process is broken.
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Look at recent history: George Bush and Al Gore? Really? George Bush and John Kerry? Really?? John McCain and Barack Obama? Really??? That's the best you got? McCain was the closest to an actual statesmen (mainly because he's a black-letter, true blue war hero - not for anything he's done in Congress), but, otherwise, not a lot of people that make most Americans proud.
 
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McCain was the closest to an actual statesmen.
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Really? 5th from the bottom of his class and became famous only for being locked up in prison a really long time. I have tremendous respect for John McCain, but truthfully, he is just as totally unqualified to be president as Barack Obama. He didn't even know we were in a recession till it hit him over the head practically.
 
Narcotized said:
Really? 5th from the bottom of his class and became famous only for being locked up in prison a really long time. I have tremendous respect for John McCain, but truthfully, he is just as totally unqualified to be president as Barack Obama. He didn't even know we were in a recession till it hit him over the head practically.
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I thought he was 4th from the bottom (I thought he was #845 out of 849). (Counting my math, that is 5th from the bottom - I think you're right.)

See, you're missing the point. He was a POW for years, and that makes him a war hero. He lost 3 planes (not to enemy fire), and it was a rocket off his plane that lit the Forrestal on fire and killed 134 sailors. Even in the face of that, he was tortured and lived. Your statement of "only for being locked up in prison a really long time" is simplistic, as that would equate to Charles Manson, "Squeaky" Fromme, Tookie Williams, and Mumia Abu-Jamal. It's an insult to prisoners of war.

However, if you read the rest of my post, I specifically said "not for anything he's done in Congress".

And the whole point of my post was the inadequacy across the board - "primum inter pares", indeed.
 
Apollyon said:
Look at recent history: George Bush and Al Gore? Really? George Bush and John Kerry? Really?? John McCain and Barack Obama? Really??? That's the best you got? McCain was the closest to an actual statesmen (mainly because he's a black-letter, true blue war hero - not for anything he's done in Congress), but, otherwise, not a lot of people that make most Americans proud.
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I agree. It is definitely not a new problem.
 
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