180 Degree Turnabout? Beneficial?

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Will be interesting to watch this unfold.


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Under the plan:
  • DoD must identify its military medical requirements -- including casualty care, combatant command and military department needs -- by July 2024.
NOT GONNA HAPPEN BY JULY!
 
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it’s amazing how stupid these “leaders” really are. To borrow a line from “The Office”…snip, snap, snip, snap.
 
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I've never heard a dental clinic called DTF until now. 😂
 
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This memo means absolutely nothing. The services won’t follow it, they are forging their own path and it is tough to reverse course when MC manning is 70%. They dumped the infrastructure on the DHA and have pulled most of their remaining active workforce and told them that MTF duty and patient care isn’t important.

You ask the GS or contractors to do more, they quit or change jobs- or threaten to in the setting of the current severe manpower crunch - effectively ending the discussion. It just doesn’t happen. You have very little flexibility to convince career GS to do more than they want to. Military just transfer out or seek platform jobs which decreases overall FTE dedicated to patient care. The Navy does not have a deep bench to replace transferring clinicians due to training cuts in many specialties. They aren’t rewarded for patient care so they don’t see it as a priority. Once available FTE drops for a time and patients are kicked to the network, they are hard to get back.

DHA and their market leadership has no true idea what’s going on at the market level with availability of care or compensation, and no money to hire anything other than new online-trained NPs who send referrals for all problems- increasing cost of care due to unnecessary network specialty consults. Certainly no specialists are going to be hired directly for MTFs at DHA rates, and they have no true power to tell the services what they can do with their specialists- which frequently takes them out of patient care for menial tasks/operational reasons.

The old “see way fewer patients for a little less money” deal that they would offer 20 year ret O6 has gone away. These clinicians were important for facility stability. Now it is “see equivalent patients with no support staff for way less money.” No thanks - the few people that we retain to 20 years are not taking that deal. And by the way most of those people haven’t practiced at a high level for a while because they have been doing admin and operational jobs- they don’t want to go back to grinding clinic 1.0 FTE.

The MTF is a failed model and it’s winding down just by natural forces. The DHA is not agile enough to compete for people even with the VA. The DHA makes the VA look like Google or Apple when it comes to innovation and management, and it’s a mess too. But if you want to do federal/socialized medicine, it’s a better deal.

It is very difficult to bring back care to the MTF in the current environment and we don’t have the people or money to do it, plain and simple. Once these patients are gone they are gone, you can force some back but it’s only good until the next hospital ship deployment. It won’t end all at once but it is in a long declining sine wave that’s headed for 0.

We need to pull off the bandaid and end the MTF model. Either combine with the VA, or separate platforms from MTFs and have people work in the community. These are hard things but likely no harder than rebuilding the MTF system in a cost effective way.
 
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The DHA is not agile enough to compete for people even with the VA. The DHA makes the VA look like Google or Apple when it comes to innovation and management

Hahahahaha. Harsh but true.

The echo chamber so called ‘healthcare leaders’ live in persists in being 180 degrees out of sync with reality and continues to devolve into absurdity.
 
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I've never heard a dental clinic called DTF until now.

Haven’t been around long huh? :) /s

Back in the day Medical facilities and dental facilities were two separate commands (MTFs and DTFs) with different commanding officers, etc. The Navy had a completely separate rate for our enlisted called Dental Tech (DT’s) who worked in the dental facilities. I don’t remember exact year (sometime around 2005’ish) but they combined the DTF and MTF into a single entity and folded the DTs into the Corpsman (HM) rate.
 
They've been paying lip service to recapturing previously-deferred patients for at least 10 years, while steadily doing the opposite.

Unless and until they fold all the MTFs into the VA and go to a 95%+ reserve medical corps, it's just noise.
 
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Haven’t been around long huh? :) /s

Back in the day Medical facilities and dental facilities were two separate commands (MTFs and DTFs) with different commanding officers, etc. The Navy had a completely separate rate for our enlisted called Dental Tech (DT’s) who worked in the dental facilities. I don’t remember exact year (sometime around 2005’ish) but they combined the DTF and MTF into a single entity and folded the DTs into the Corpsman (HM) rate.
I'm on 15th year currently (13 AD, 2 USAR) and have only heard DENTAC or dental clinic, never DTF. MTF I've heard so many times I've lost count. Guess I wasn't in the right crowd to hear it. 🤷‍♀️
 
This memo means absolutely nothing. The services won’t follow it, they are forging their own path and it is tough to reverse course when MC manning is 70%. They dumped the infrastructure on the DHA and have pulled most of their remaining active workforce and told them that MTF duty and patient care isn’t important.

You ask the GS or contractors to do more, they quit or change jobs- or threaten to in the setting of the current severe manpower crunch - effectively ending the discussion. It just doesn’t happen. You have very little flexibility to convince career GS to do more than they want to. Military just transfer out or seek platform jobs which decreases overall FTE dedicated to patient care. The Navy does not have a deep bench to replace transferring clinicians due to training cuts in many specialties. They aren’t rewarded for patient care so they don’t see it as a priority. Once available FTE drops for a time and patients are kicked to the network, they are hard to get back.

DHA and their market leadership has no true idea what’s going on at the market level with availability of care or compensation, and no money to hire anything other than new online-trained NPs who send referrals for all problems- increasing cost of care due to unnecessary network specialty consults. Certainly no specialists are going to be hired directly for MTFs at DHA rates, and they have no true power to tell the services what they can do with their specialists- which frequently takes them out of patient care for menial tasks/operational reasons.

The old “see way fewer patients for a little less money” deal that they would offer 20 year ret O6 has gone away. These clinicians were important for facility stability. Now it is “see equivalent patients with no support staff for way less money.” No thanks - the few people that we retain to 20 years are not taking that deal. And by the way most of those people haven’t practiced at a high level for a while because they have been doing admin and operational jobs- they don’t want to go back to grinding clinic 1.0 FTE.

The MTF is a failed model and it’s winding down just by natural forces. The DHA is not agile enough to compete for people even with the VA. The DHA makes the VA look like Google or Apple when it comes to innovation and management, and it’s a mess too. But if you want to do federal/socialized medicine, it’s a better deal.

It is very difficult to bring back care to the MTF in the current environment and we don’t have the people or money to do it, plain and simple. Once these patients are gone they are gone, you can force some back but it’s only good until the next hospital ship deployment. It won’t end all at once but it is in a long declining sine wave that’s headed for 0.

We need to pull off the bandaid and end the MTF model. Either combine with the VA, or separate platforms from MTFs and have people work in the community. These are hard things but likely no harder than rebuilding the MTF system in a cost effective way.
You aren't wrong!

The key is where are the fight tonight active duty physicians going to be kept? They can't be a minimum AD manning force at the MTF/VA because if they deploy the garrison care goes down just like our current platform modeling (case and point is Mercy/Comfort). They can't be reserve unless the reserve system for readiness and quick deployability catches up to the 21st century. I really think this is where the established partnerships with local academic centers has to be made. 1-2 days a week with platformed unit, 3-6 days spent practicing at a high volume center. We will have to increase compensation accordingly. This would likely drive civilian pay down at these partnership institutions and eventually everywhere.
 
The key is where are the fight tonight active duty physicians going to be kept?

Where were they kept on the eve of WWII? Vietnam? In the civilian world. If the crap really hits the fan and we need lots of doctors and nurses, we'll recruit them from the civilian world (throw a uniform on them, off you go). They'll be better at the job (taking care of real sick patients, high volume) than most of their AD counterparts.

What, they wont be great military leaders? Don't need them to be.
 
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"Recruit"= HCPDS (Health Care Personnel Delivery System). They'll get their Hawkeyes and Trapper Johns to go with their COL Potters and Frank Burns of the residual AD force and round it out. The law is already there waiting.
 
"Recruit"= HCPDS (Health Care Personnel Delivery System). They'll get their Hawkeyes and Trapper Johns to go with their COL Potters and Frank Burns of the residual AD force and round it out. The law is already there waiting.

I hadn't heard of this "program" so I did some research.

1. The US would need to be in a full-scale major war.
2. Congress would have to pass, and POTUS would need to sign, the declaration in order to enact the program.
3. Only applies to citizens age 20-45.
4. Providers in communities where healthcare would be significantly affected (pretty much everywhere) would be exempted.

Doesn't sound like something that would ever happen (even in the worst circumstances).
 
I hadn't heard of this "program" so I did some research.

1. The US would need to be in a full-scale major war.
2. Congress would have to pass, and POTUS would need to sign, the declaration in order to enact the program.
3. Only applies to citizens age 20-45.
4. Providers in communities where healthcare would be significantly affected (pretty much everywhere) would be exempted.

Doesn't sound like something that would ever happen (even in the worst circumstances).
Maybe if Congress had to draft doctors every time we got in a fight somewhere, we'd get in fewer elective fights.

It wouldn't be necessary, in any case. If we did the smart thing and rolled the MTFs into the VA and made almost everyone else reservists, we'd have plenty of reservists.
 
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All it takes to call up retirees is the SECARMY signing a memo; and I would guess most physician retirees since 2005 or so are likely still licensed and practicing.

It’s funny to imagine a bunch of pissed off 06s being forced back in and the havoc they would cause. 🤣
 
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