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I'd retake the classes. Since you did well on the MCAT you have a very good shot at getting A's in the retakes.
So here is my history What are my chances getting in to a DO school and where should I apply and why? THanks
-3.27 Cum GPa (Nonscience 3.5 sci 3.1)
MCAT in a week, prob mid 20's (all even)
-President and founder of the Case Biology Society
-Member of AMSA
-AEPi fraternity
-School Newspaper
-Jewish Student Group
-Red cross First Aid and CPR certified
-200 hours volunteer work (pediatric hospital)
-40 hours shadowing
-Several research positions (Cleveland Clinic and NIH)
-Former jobs (dining hall cook, chemistry tutor, online chem tutor)
-Earthday coalition intern (mercury fish awareness program
-Zoo intern
Hi just wondering what schools people think i would have the best shot at... i have a 3.55 gpa with a 3.65 science gpa i just got my mcat results back got a 10 7 9 - 26Q. I did start of college with a 1.76 cuz of some extreme circumstances but iv had a strong upward trend since then. Lots of volunteering and shadowing experience family practioner, and Emergency medicine. I dont have research and am about to start shadowing a DO. I do have other extracurriculars that i put down on my app i just dont know exactly what schools I want to apply to since i dont have a DO letter.
I was thinking maybe nyit, tuoro-ny, ccom, nsu-com, and azcom so far. Any other schools that I think I should apply to that dont have a large instate preference. I greatly appreciate anyones help
i am also wondering if i should apply..
i have a 3.8 GPA overall and a 3.8 science GPA
my MCAT score is a 23Q
i have 150 hrs volunteer work at a hospital
24 hours shadowing
a year job as a pharmacy tech
do i stand a good chance of getting in??????
cgpa: 3.5
sgpa: 3.6
mcat: 25R (10P, 7V, 8B). retaking this summer to hopefully raise a few points.
EC: volunteer at hospital 3yrs. part-time as nursing assistant 1yr. research 1yr. involved in many leadership/volunteer groups throughout undergrad. shadowing.
LOR: i believe them to be pretty good/solid. have DO letters as well.
what are my chances at DO? i'm looking at msucom, pcom-philly, nsu, ccom right now.
any advice/thoughts would be great! thanks.
I've mentioned this before...trends ARE important. And your recovery was so strong that your final gpa (sci and cum) are still above the average for the applicant pool. I would not fret too much over it. Plus your MCAT hits the average range for DO matriculants...not much to worry about there.
However, definitely start piling up some MAJOR hours shadowing ASAP. And, make sure to include it in your app once you've completed even as little as 8-10 hours.
I didn't have a DO letter either so I had to scan this pdf (below) to figure out which schools REQUIRE a DO letter and which only recommend one. Mine was from an MD.
http://www.aacom.org/resources/bookstore/cib/Documents/cib2010/2010-CIB-complete.pdf
Hey OP,
thats what i have heard from other threads as well. A mixture of retaking classes and still going for upper level classes looks the best. I m in a very similar position and I ll be essentially retaking orgo 12 and physics 1. I ll be a senior next year so i guess i have a bit more time but i still have a long way to go before applying.
Quick question, If i m retakin orgo, and i m a full time student at my home university how weird does it look if i took orgo at a community college near the university at the same time. Its only cus of a time clash, since i need a certain course for my major and thats only offered at the same time as orgo. SO i need to take it somewhere else. I know its going to be easier, and honestly that would be a nice change, seeing as our orgo class is supposed to be one of the hardest in the country and the first time i took it it totally screwed me over. But so basically in order for me to get started on retakin some my pre reqs i need to start asap. and takin it at the community college would be the easiest instead of watiing till the summer, since i already have other classes to take the summer. So whadya guys think?
Non traditional apllicant 35y, RN, 3.1 averall gpa, 3.5 BCPM and 27P mcat. Can someone tell me my chances for some low tiers DO schools.
Interesting...Since it is a pre-req, I would take it at the university. How exactly do you know your orgo class is "one of the hardest in the country"?
Since you already took the class and call it one of the hardest in the country, I am guessing you found it extremely difficult. Well, perhaps you could find another professor to take it orgo with.
My orgo classes at my university varied extremely in difficulty (and quality) between professors. I did horrible in orgo 2 with this one professor, so when I re-took it, I made sure to take it with another professor whom I heard was great. So I re-took it with this second professor, and it turned out that his class was much easier than the first professor. Also, the second professor was also just flat-out a better teacher and knew how to explain things ten times better than the first professor and so I was able to understand so much more of the material the second time.
So, I would look for another professor in your state university to take orgo with for your retake. I would do this in the summer too, and move your other classes around to fit this.
Hi all, what should i do?
cGPA: 3.4
sGPA: 3.7
whole bunch of ECs, research, lots of volunteer and abroad.
the bad..28P its breakdown is 11/6/11 can I still apply with the 6 in VR?
thanks!
I have 14 DO schools, still on my list. They are so similar I am not sure what else to look for to narrow down my list.
I still got:
Kirksville, Des Moines, Kansas City, both AZ schools, both FL schools, VCOM, WVSOM, Pikesville, LECOM, GA, PCOM, LMU-COM,
I think I cut the standards in academics, so that really isn't a narrowing option for me. The main option I value is the availability of clinical rotations.
I don't prefer the warm climate, but it seems the northern schools (PCOM, LECOM, etc), are better schools, that have options for more clinical rotations. So it is a toss up.
I read the entire pros and con list of reviews of the schools, I did find the thread very enlightening, but I wasn't sure if I should knock some schools off my lists, based one or two bad comments.
I am tempted to take AZCOM off my list, because I heard some reviews stating they are raising their class population too quickly, and their clinical rotations sites are not keeping up with their class size.
AZ Kirksville location, they seem to have a new curriculum, where they incorporate the second year and beyond into clinicals, but does this mean they no longer have lectures during the second year?
Kansas City, I have a heard a couple of bad reviews about them now. Mostly about constant loss and gain of faculty, and some complaining about the clinical rotation sites. But they seem to have a good match list of competitive residencies.
I would get rid of both AZ schools, LMU, WVSOM, and Pikeville. I have heard that AZCOM's clinical rotations are terrible (don't know if it's really true, ATSU-AZ has a weird curriculum, LMU just for the sake of narrowing, WVSOM for the high OOS tuition, and Pikeville because they heavily prefer regional students.) Those are just my opinions, however.
I have 14 DO schools, still on my list. They are so similar I am not sure what else to look for to narrow down my list.
I still got:
Kirksville, Des Moines, Kansas City, both AZ schools, both FL schools, VCOM, WVSOM, Pikesville, LECOM, GA, PCOM, LMU-COM,
I have a few questions today that I will ask you all about the osteopathic admissions process:
1. Is a 3.3-3.4 GPA good enough to be accepted? Without course retakes my GPA is 3.0-3.1 with a major in chemical engineering. My science GPA also went up for osteopathic, because anything with an engineering designation counts as other science.
2. Is MCAT averaged, or is last score taken? I have a 30 with a 37 on the second attempt.
3. If I apply to MD schools, does that lesson my chances of admission to DO schools, and vice verse?
4. Should I offer exclusively DO LOR's for admissions?
5. Does post-bacc work change the undergraduate GPA and can you retake courses after a BS degree is earned?
6. How do my chances look for osteopathic?
7. What should I do to get an acceptance from an osteopathic school that they would see as exciting?
I have a few questions today that I will ask you all about the osteopathic admissions process:
1. Is a 3.3-3.4 GPA good enough to be accepted? Without course retakes my GPA is 3.0-3.1 with a major in chemical engineering. My science GPA also went up for osteopathic, because anything with an engineering designation counts as other science.
2. Is MCAT averaged, or is last score taken? I have a 30 with a 37 on the second attempt.
3. If I apply to MD schools, does that lesson my chances of admission to DO schools, and vice verse?
4. Should I offer exclusively DO LOR's for admissions?
5. Does post-bacc work change the undergraduate GPA and can you retake courses after a BS degree is earned?
6. How do my chances look for osteopathic?
7. What should I do to get an acceptance from an osteopathic school that they would see as exciting?
My opinion:
1. A 3.3 GPA is excellent especially with your 37 MCAT. You are an excellent applicant to DO schools and very competitive for MD schools. A 3.0-3.1 I believe is still very acceptable with your amazing MCAT.
2. It depends on the school really, I'm not to sure though, but a 37 on a retake is def amazing and will surely help you out. Congrats getting that.
3. No it does not lessen your chances at all. They are both separate.
4. If you have plenty, that's no problem. For mine, I had an MD and DO letter. A DO letter I believe is very important even though some schools says they are only optional.
5. A post-bac does increase your gpa. I'm not too sure about this questions since I never looked into it.
6. Excellent.
7. Shadowing a DO physician and having that LOR. During the interviews, they always asked me about that. Just lets them know that you care about the DO profession and know what they are all about and took the time to gain an insight in Osteopathic medicine. But since you already got this, I guess maybe another DO physician? 🙂
Hope this helps you out a bit. Congratulations again, Good luck!
Oh yea, PBL... I have read about it in a couple of threads. It really doesn't seem that appealing to me, because when a bunch of students sit in a group and discuss it doesn't seem like a whole lot gets done. I think I may leave my options open until I can sit in on session. I really have no idea though.
I forgot what school it was, but someone was talking about a school who had it, that would only test twice a semester, and cover something like 47 chapters in the test... that really seem awful. Even though, technically it would prepare you for your boards.
Non traditional apllicant 35y, RN, 3.1 averall gpa, 3.5 BCPM and 27P mcat. Can someone tell me my chances for some low tiers DO schools.
why are you guys suggesting throwing out LMU? is there a strong in-state preference? orr is it because it is a new school? i think it says on their web page that 60% are in appalachian region.
I didn't suggest to the OP to throw it out, I just mentioned it because they do have that heavy preference for the appalachian region.
I would get rid of both AZ schools, LMU, WVSOM, and Pikeville. I have heard that AZCOM's clinical rotations are terrible (don't know if it's really true, ATSU-AZ has a weird curriculum, LMU just for the sake of narrowing, WVSOM for the high OOS tuition, and Pikeville because they heavily prefer regional students.) Those are just my opinions, however.
I was accepted to PCOM, CCOM, ATSU-SOMA, and AZCOM, and chose ATSU-SOMA because of its "weird curriculum," haha. Look into it, see if it's for you.
As to the clinicals I have heard that AZCOM's clinicals are sketchy (not enough in AZ, so volunteers go to Ohio) and I didn't like their focus on numbers and the boards.
I did visit ATSU-SOMA's campus in Brooklyn and was impressed to see the SOMA students working alongside students from NYCOM and a couple of the MD schools there in NYC. In fact, a future 3rd year showed me his clinical rotation schedule for this upcoming year, and all of the rotations are right there at Lutheran Hospital in Brooklyn.
Some choices between schools are easy to make (a huge difference in tuition, a location you just can't stand, etc.) but deciding on the more subtle choices like the curriculum takes a lot of thought and foot work on your part. Don't cheat yourself by skimping on it.
just curious since LMU is in my top 3. just wondering what other people's thought were on the school. i am applying there out of state so im keeping my fingers crossed
Also if I get secondaries, how long will it take them to give it to me? Personally I'm hoping to get them in August and not earlier since I am retaking the MCAT on the 14th and would like to just focus on that beast again...
Also, do they expect to receive their secondary answers back immediately or it does not really matter?
Thanks again