2013-2014 APPIC (internship) Phase II

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aly cat said:
Me! I have a site that is on literally the opposite side of the country from my husband. We are currently living in different states so that is not so much my concern.. its more that it would be difficult to talk as regularly (due to the time difference) and visit as regularly as we are currently accustomed to. If I don't match, I've been given permission to move up to be with him and complete an external practicum that I believe would significantly strengthen my application... which is pretty appealing. There is also a very, very small chance of me matching to this site in the first place. I certified my rankings with it included to see how it would feel but I'm still flip flopping. Any thoughts?
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I would probably just rank it. There are a few sites that I feel less excited about, and I was also offered an external practicum if I do not match that I feel would strengthen my app, but there is still no guarantee. I would be devastated if I did not rank it and ended up in a place I feel lukewarm about next year or ended up in phase ii again. I will also be across the country from my partner after finally moving back to live with him this year, but at this point, I just want to find an internship and focus on postdocs close to home.
 
I had 4 interviews and I will be ranking all 4 sites. Honestly, I really, really liked all of the sites and would be pretty thrilled to match with any of them, but they are all so competitive (all are sites with 175+ applicants) that I'm not holding my breath about matching.
 
I feel the same as psychrat--I ranked all of the 10 positions (9 sites) where I interviewed even though I didn't have a very warm fuzzy feeling towards the last 3. All are APA accredited, all offer solid training experiences (if not the most in line with my ideal internship dreams), and in the end, I decided all would be better than waiting another year.

I am SO anxious about Monday and also still majorly torn about how I ordered my sites 4, 5, and 6. I absolutely LOVED everyone I spoke with at site 5--we clicked in terms of the way that we talk/think about developmental psychopathology and clinical work, and they offer a very cool and unique training experience that I wouldn't get anywhere else. But they don't have the assessment experiences that I was aiming for, and it seems weird to ignore the training goals that I established for myself just because I like the place so much...

Even though I already certified my rankings, I am still considering going back and moving things around before the deadline tonight.

I'm also SO anxious about Monday. I know I have been blessed with a lot of interviews this time around so I'm sure most reading this will wish that the poor girl with 9 interviews would stop whining :bored: but I felt pretty confident going into Match Day 1 and I think that made it even more devastating. The fact that there is no difference in the # of interviews of those who matched v. those who didn't is also anxiety-inducing and just plain kind of confusing to me... Not sure how that can be the case!
 
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aly cat said:
Me! I have a site that is on literally the opposite side of the country from my husband. We are currently living in different states so that is not so much my concern.. its more that it would be difficult to talk as regularly (due to the time difference) and visit as regularly as we are currently accustomed to. If I don't match, I've been given permission to move up to be with him and complete an external practicum that I believe would significantly strengthen my application... which is pretty appealing. There is also a very, very small chance of me matching to this site in the first place. I certified my rankings with it included to see how it would feel but I'm still flip flopping. Any thoughts?
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If it's just about distance then rank them. The only one I'm considering not ranking is because of the training I would get there. Little therapy with a lot of consultation/assessment. I know long distance is hard but it's 1 year. anyone can make it one year anywhere.
 
psychtalk1274 said:
If it's just about distance then rank them. The only one I'm considering not ranking is because of the training I would get there. Little therapy with a lot of consultation/assessment. I know long distance is hard but it's 1 year. anyone can make it one year anywhere.
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Do you think that in the end consultation/assessment could actually help you? I have heard people say in the past that it is harder to teach student to do assessment. It could also help you think about therapy in a new way.

butmewait said:
I feel the same as psychrat--I ranked all of the 10 positions (9 sites) where I interviewed even though I didn't have a very warm fuzzy feeling towards the last 3. All are APA accredited, all offer solid training experiences (if not the most in line with my ideal internship dreams), and in the end, I decided all would be better than waiting another year.

I am SO anxious about Monday and also still majorly torn about how I ordered my sites 4, 5, and 6. I absolutely LOVED everyone I spoke with at site 5--we clicked in terms of the way that we talk/think about developmental psychopathology and clinical work, and they offer a very cool and unique training experience that I wouldn't get anywhere else. But they don't have the assessment experiences that I was aiming for, and it seems weird to ignore the training goals that I established for myself just because I like the place so much...

Even though I already certified my rankings, I am still considering going back and moving things around before the deadline tonight.

I'm also SO anxious about Monday. I know I have been blessed with a lot of interviews this time around so I'm sure most reading this will wish that the poor girl with 9 interviews would stop whining :bored: but I felt pretty confident going into Match Day 1 and I think that made it even more devastating. The fact that there is no difference in the # of interviews of those who matched v. those who didn't is also anxiety-inducing and just plain kind of confusing to me... Not sure how that can be the case!
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I am also nervous, but am not obsessing about it as much this time. I had seven interviews in phase i at competitive sites and was crushed when I did not match. All of the sites that I emailed me told me they ranked me, but I guess just not in the top three, which stings a bit.
 
psychrat said:
Do you think that in the end consultation/assessment could actually help you? I have heard people say in the past that it is harder to teach student to do assessment. It could also help you think about therapy in a new way.
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For me I really wanted to make sure that I have good assessment training because I am considering clinical specialization in assessment. It seems like how much it would help/how important it is would really depend a lot on your clinical goals.
 
Assessment would be good but I see myself doing1/2 assessment and 1/2 therapy. I think I'm going to rank it.
 
psychrat said:
I am also nervous, but am not obsessing about it as much this time. I had seven interviews in phase i at competitive sites and was crushed when I did not match. All of the sites that I emailed me told me they ranked me, but I guess just not in the top three, which stings a bit.
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I'm feeling similar. I had six interview in Phase I and was absolutely shocked when I didn't match because all of the feedback I received was so positive. This time, I'm assuming that I'm not going to match. I'm sure that it will hurt to receive another "We regret to inform you..." email, but I'm hoping I won't be as crushed this time around.
 
alouette__ said:
Just did! They have been really great and responsive by email throughout this whole process. Did you get that giant zip file of PPTs about the various rotations? It was really thoughtful.
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Yeah, I got that one too. It's good to know other people have gotten the optimistic email. I think I was getting too guess-worky about what the email was actually saying. I'm just very happy that they let me know.
 
Even though I received an email confirmation of my certification I keep obsessing over the fact that it may not ACTUALLY have gone through :nailbiting:- man, this process is exhausting!!!!!!!!!!

Working on my cog. restructuring skills right now.... 😉
 
InnerChild said:
Even though I received an email confirmation of my certification I keep obsessing over the fact that it may not ACTUALLY have gone through :nailbiting:- man, this process is exhausting!!!!!!!!!!

Working on my cog. restructuring skills right now.... 😉
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I have this irrational fear that all of my rankings are going to be switched around in the system:poke:
 
I wonder if there will be any APA-accredited sites left in the clearinghouse? I am particularly wondering about ones that no one here heard from, such as Brown.
 
psychrat said:
I wonder if there will be any APA-accredited sites left in the clearinghouse? I am particularly wondering about ones that no one here heard from, such as Brown.
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The intern where I'm doing my practicum participated in clearinghouse last year and she said the sites in phase III were even better than the ones in phase II (at least in her opinion).
 
anxietyisfun said:
The intern where I'm doing my practicum participated in clearinghouse last year and she said the sites in phase III were even better than the ones in phase II (at least in her opinion).
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How could the sites in Phase III/clearing house be better or worse than Phase II? They're simply what's left over lol
 
MatthewSF81 said:
How could the sites in Phase III/clearing house be better or worse than Phase II? They're simply what's left over lol
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Not true actually, sometimes interns drop out of their internships (even though they're not supposed to), or places get more funding and add spots. Apparently it happened last year that a bunch of VAs got added to Phase III but not Phase II.
 
I know of people at Henry Ford Health System and Yale who got their positions in Phase III. Sometimes good spots really do come up - the funding cycle isn't synced up with the application cycle.

I'm a ball of anxiety and honestly some depression because I only had two interviews. (Apparently I am terrible at applying for these things.) But the crazy thing is that it really does only take one sometimes!
 
SmithPsy24 said:
I know of people at Henry Ford Health System and Yale who got their positions in Phase III. Sometimes good spots really do come up - the funding cycle isn't synced up with the application cycle.

I'm a ball of anxiety and honestly some depression because I only had two interviews. (Apparently I am terrible at applying for these things.) But the crazy thing is that it really does only take one sometimes!
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I know a student who only had one interview this fall and matched at that place, so it does happen.
 
how are you guys? i'm really wondering what my chances are. it's overwhelming.
 
SmithPsy24 said:
I know of people at Henry Ford Health System and Yale who got their positions in Phase III. Sometimes good spots really do come up - the funding cycle isn't synced up with the application cycle.

I'm a ball of anxiety and honestly some depression because I only had two interviews. (Apparently I am terrible at applying for these things.) But the crazy thing is that it really does only take one sometimes!
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I had only 2 interviews as well, and this is my second year in the match! Believe me, I can relate to those feelings. However, don't forget that it only takes ONE interview to match, and most people match at one of their top sites. I've said it before on other posts: it's not over until it's over. You still have a shot (two, in fact)!
 
Doing just fine!
I'll bet I won't be able to sleep the night before the second Match Day but honestly… after the first Match Day where I learned I didn't match, life just went back to normal! Even if we don't wind up matching, life goes on. =) I already have an external practicum I'm enthused about in case I don't match!
 
jz112 said:
Doing just fine!
I'll bet I won't be able to sleep the night before the second Match Day but honestly… after the first Match Day where I learned I didn't match, life just went back to normal! Even if we don't wind up matching, life goes on. =) I already have an external practicum I'm enthused about in case I don't match!
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How do you get an "external" practicum? Is it just another practicum?
 
SmithPsy24 said:
I know of people at Henry Ford Health System and Yale who got their positions in Phase III. Sometimes good spots really do come up - the funding cycle isn't synced up with the application cycle.

I'm a ball of anxiety and honestly some depression because I only had two interviews. (Apparently I am terrible at applying for these things.) But the crazy thing is that it really does only take one sometimes!
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I really like the last thing you said. I ranked 5 sites this time around and have had really good experiences at my first 3, so I'm hoping something will come through! At the same time, I'm so scared of getting my hopes up and getting rejected.
 
let it go said:
How do you get an "external" practicum? Is it just another practicum?
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Yes, my program lets students commit to 10-20 hours/week at different clinical sites in the city. I did three this year - individual and group work at hospitals and outpatient clinics, and with some specialty populations. I've learned and grown tremendously at each site, and would love to do more! I think that regardless if we match, there are a lot of opportunities to be excited about and look forward to. 🙂
 
jz112 said:
Yes, my program lets students commit to 10-20 hours/week at different clinical sites in the city. I did three this year - individual and group work at hospitals and outpatient clinics, and with some specialty populations. I've learned and grown tremendously at each site, and would love to do more! I think that regardless if we match, there are a lot of opportunities to be excited about and look forward to. 🙂
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what a great opportunity! which city are you from?
 
anxietyisfun said:
Yeah, I got that one too. It's good to know other people have gotten the optimistic email. I think I was getting too guess-worky about what the email was actually saying. I'm just very happy that they let me know.
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Yeah, I have been so busy I haven't been able to stop in here really, but I got that email too, and have been going nuts trying to read between the lines. What does it really mean about what these sites are telling me? Super obsessed over my list down to the wire.
 
aly cat said:
I had this same question because though there is a program I prefer, there is another which I still like okay but I think is much more likely to rank me highly.



Thanks for this! I've watched it before but for some reason that part did not stick with me. Here is the link:

https://www.natmatch.com/psychint/aboutalg.html
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Though I know this is what it says, it's hard not to be paranoid at this point that there is some secret we don't know about.
 
Hello everyone,
I've officially decided to stop lurking on SDN. I just want to say good luck. I think it takes strength to learn you didn't match and have to put together new applications and re-apply to programs almost immediately. No matter what the situation is for you now, just remember it will pass. Time and distance really does have healing properties. I hope you all get what you want out of this process regardless of when that is. Best of luck to you!
 
let it go said:
How do you get an "external" practicum? Is it just another practicum?
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We call it practicum in our own program clinic, externship in the community, and when I said external practicum I was referring to going to another state to get an experience I would be unable to get in either practicum or externship in my school's city. 🙂
 
JennyAnn4 said:
I had only 2 interviews as well, and this is my second year in the match! Believe me, I can relate to those feelings. However, don't forget that it only takes ONE interview to match, and most people match at one of their top sites. I've said it before on other posts: it's not over until it's over. You still have a shot (two, in fact)!
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oh JennyAnn4, I am so sorry that this is your second time around applying. I feel that something really needs to be done to assist students in your situation. Will your program allow you to apply to APPIC and CAPIC, and not just APA? Are you opening yourself up geographically? Is your program being supportive? This is one of my biggest fears. Stay strong!
 
psychrat said:
oh JennyAnn4, I am so sorry that this is your second time around applying. I feel that something really needs to be done to assist students in your situation. Will your program allow you to apply to APPIC and CAPIC, and not just APA? Are you opening yourself up geographically? Is your program being supportive? This is one of my biggest fears. Stay strong!
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One of the places I'm considering doing an externship next year (if phase II doesn't work out) is actually a captured internship for another doctoral program. Both the doctoral program and "internship" are APA accredited and housed at a prestigious medical center, and their students get to skip the match all together. So next year, while I'm working for free as an extern/practicum student, I would be doing much of the same work as the "interns" from the other program, except they would get to graduate at the end of the year. I would be happy to get the additional experience next year, but I wish I had considered applying to their doctoral program 5 years ago. I had no idea at the time that some programs made skipping the match a possibility.
 
ShakeyD said:
One of the places I'm considering doing an externship next year (if phase II doesn't work out) is actually a captured internship for another doctoral program. Both the doctoral program and "internship" are APA accredited and housed at a prestigious medical center, and their students get to skip the match all together. So next year, while I'm working for free as an extern/practicum student, I would be doing much of the same work as the "interns" from the other program, except they would get to graduate at the end of the year. I would be happy to get the additional experience next year, but I wish I had considered applying to their doctoral program 5 years ago. I had no idea at the time that some programs made skipping the match a possibility.
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Are you going to extern full-time? I think it would bother me a bit if I was doing all of the same task as an intern and not getting credit/pay for it. I also do not think it is fair that there are APA-acc internship programs that only accept their own students. I feel like the APA should regulate this. How is it a national matching process if they only take students from their program? There were a few internship programs I was interested in applying to and then read that I could not be I do not go to such and such school.
 
psychrat said:
Are you going to extern full-time? I think it would bother me a bit if I was doing all of the same task as an intern and not getting credit/pay for it. I also do not think it is fair that there are APA-acc internship programs that only accept their own students. I feel like the APA should regulate this. How is it a national matching process if they only take students from their program? There were a few internship programs I was interested in applying to and then read that I could not be I do not go to such and such school.
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I think they would work more hours than me, but not much. Another interesting aspect of their internship is that it is split over 2 years, with a half-time commitment as they fulfill research and coursework requirements for their program. I think it's important to mention that this program has a very good reputation...it's just a little frustrating that this kind of opportunity isn't available to all of us.
 
ShakeyD said:
I think they would work more hours than me, but not much. Another interesting aspect of their internship is that it is split over 2 years, with a half-time commitment as they fulfill research and coursework requirements for their program. I think it's important to mention that this program has a very good reputation...it's just a little frustrating that this kind of opportunity isn't available to all of us.
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UT southwestern med? If so, good place to train.
 
erg923 said:
UT southwestern med? If so, good place to train.
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Yep. They have a very good reputation for training. And hats off to their administrators for creating a way for their students to avoid issues with the match.
 
psychrat said:
oh JennyAnn4, I am so sorry that this is your second time around applying. I feel that something really needs to be done to assist students in your situation. Will your program allow you to apply to APPIC and CAPIC, and not just APA? Are you opening yourself up geographically? Is your program being supportive? This is one of my biggest fears. Stay strong!
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Thank you so much, psychrat! Your post is very sweet. It definitely has been an unfortunate experience, but I do have a tremendous amount of support from family and friends and thankfully, my DCT and my main advisor. My program allows us to take an internship that is APPIC, and in some situations, it doesn't even have to be an APPIC site to be acceptable. As long as it meets my program's list of requirements for an internship, I can take it. I have one such prospective internship in the works, shall we say, in case Monday goes down the toilet. In terms of my professional goals, it's right up my alley. It actually used to be an APA site a few years back, but had its funding ripped away and just kept the program (which, by the way, was ADORED by APA, I'm told) as is. I already spoke to a site I'm strongly considering for post-doc and was told that this place would be one of the best non-APA internships to take to still be considered for that position there. All that being said, it would be like, freaking awesome if I didn't have to consider that route...

Hope you're holding up!!
 
JennyAnn4 said:
Thank you so much, psychrat! Your post is very sweet. It definitely has been an unfortunate experience, but I do have a tremendous amount of support from family and friends and thankfully, my DCT and my main advisor. My program allows us to take an internship that is APPIC, and in some situations, it doesn't even have to be an APPIC site to be acceptable. As long as it meets my program's list of requirements for an internship, I can take it. I have one such prospective internship in the works, shall we say, in case Monday goes down the toilet. In terms of my professional goals, it's right up my alley. It actually used to be an APA site a few years back, but had its funding ripped away and just kept the program (which, by the way, was ADORED by APA, I'm told) as is. I already spoke to a site I'm strongly considering for post-doc and was told that this place would be one of the best non-APA internships to take to still be considered for that position there. All that being said, it would be like, freaking awesome if I didn't have to consider that route...

Hope you're holding up!!
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I'm hanging in there. I am glad that you have support and a back-up plan. This entire process is insane.
 
Luckily its spring break for me so I've been able to not think about internship as much.Plus, my grad school is an awesome basketball school so march madness has kept my mind busy (and my cousin plays on a college team in the tourney as well). just ready to know. I didn't realize how exhausted I was with this process until the first day of spring break where I slept 14 hours straight.
 
psychtalk1274 said:
Luckily its spring break for me so I've been able to not think about internship as much.Plus, my grad school is an awesome basketball school so march madness has kept my mind busy (and my cousin plays on a college team in the tourney as well). just ready to know. I didn't realize how exhausted I was with this process until the first day of spring break where I slept 14 hours straight.
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I have also been sleeping a lot more than usual. I feel like my body wants to shut down until it knows what is going on next year. :luck:
 
I'm at a conference, which is cool and a good distraction but meeting people who matched at places I applied (and didn't even get interviewed!) to and explaining that I still don't know where I'm going sucks a bit.
 
I'm kind of in this place where I want Monday to get here so I can find out, but at the same time I'm slightly terrified to possibly have another NO coming my way. Working on lots of mindfulness and radical acceptance 😉
 
beebom said:
I'm at a conference, which is cool and a good distraction but meeting people who matched at places I applied (and didn't even get interviewed!) to and explaining that I still don't know where I'm going sucks a bit.
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Ugh that sounds like the worst!

And I agree, ChiPhD99--I'm also dreading Monday out of fear of another devastating e-mail!
 
butmewait said:
Ugh that sounds like the worst!

And I agree, ChiPhD99--I'm also dreading Monday out of fear of another devastating e-mail!
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I am sure APPIC knows by now. I do not fully understand why match day ii is on a Monday. I doubt they will be working over the weekend on this. :dead:
 
psychrat said:
I am sure APPIC knows by now. I do not fully understand why match day ii is on a Monday. I doubt they will be working over the weekend on this. :dead:
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It also makes it MUCH more difficult to celebrate or commiserate properly since I have prac until late that night!
 
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