2013-2014 Underdawgs Thread ( Lets get it)

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Question?... I only had the money to send out 6 secondaries but I sent my primary to 12. I get some more financial aid money in Jan. Would it be a good idea to go ahead and submit some more secondaries in Jan or would that really be too late?
 
sjingle said:
Question?... I only had the money to send out 6 secondaries but I sent my primary to 12. I get some more financial aid money in Jan. Would it be a good idea to go ahead and submit some more secondaries in Jan or would that really be too late?
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It'd probably be too late, try and see if you can send out more earlier.
 
Temperature101 said:
Let me suggest some criteria:
1) If you MCAT is 28+ and your c/sGPA are 3.0+, you are NOT an underdog due to many new schools opening these days
2) For people with low cGPA and high sGPA (i.e 3.1 cGPA and 3.5+ sGPA), you should average them out.
3) Applicants with 3.2+ c/sGPA and 26+ MCAT are NOT underdogs
4) URM AA with 3.0+ c/sGPA and 24+ MCAT are NOT underdogs
5) People with high c/sGPA 3.7+ and MCAT 23-24 are NOT due to reason given on # 1
6) You reserve some discretion on stats you will consider as being underdog stats.

These would have been my criteria if I was the one doing the underdog thread next cycle.
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I'd say this is pretty solid criteria. However I would add Canadians and reapps as automatic underdogs. Same goes for anyone with a gpa <3.0 or an MCAT <24
 
Status as an underdog can be hard to define, but what this thread has strayed from since it was started in 2011 is a freindly, energetic atmosphere. It was for encourangement, for some hope for people with low stats and who did not fit the generic premed profile.

Until it gets back to that, we're not doing anyone any favors.

Accepted 2014. Best to all still waiting; it is the greatest feeling.
 
Serenade,
I've had 3 interview invites: WCU, LMU-DCOM, and VCOM-CC. Accepted at LMU-DCOM last week!!! Interviewing at the other 2 very soon and just got my pre-interview rejection letter from LECOM-B today 🙁
Thanks for maintaining the list
 
So, where does a mixed ethnicity applicant place in your eyes, in URM or ORM. Being half caucasian and half indigenous how do admissions/you guys view me?
 
FutureGlobalDoc said:
So, where does a mixed ethnicity applicant place in your eyes, in URM or ORM. Being half caucasian and half indigenous how do admissions/you guys view me?
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You count as URM. I think it is possible to put multiracial on ur application.
 
serenade said:
True enough, admittedly I did after my 3rd interview send applications to like 4 more schools including primaries to Campbell & VCOM. So hopefully those add some more possibility to this year. But yah, I do know the school I got second quarted in has pretty decent movement, so I may be fine there too. But meh, I'll keep my head up and try to figure out better answers to some major interview questions.
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Dude, you can't relentlessly put down new schools suggesting they are not legitimate and such and then apply to them. Not cool.
 
FutureDO22 said:
Dude, you can't relentlessly put down new schools suggesting they are not legitimate and such and then apply to them. Not cool.
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Well, I put down LUCOM and I think I put down the notion of schools not thinking they need research. I don't really specifically put down Campbell and VCOM is established.
 
serenade said:
I think a few of them are pretty open that their intention is to generation revenue under that pretense too. But god forbid that a pcp received a legitimate education.
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serenade said:
Re-read my comment, it was hardly a review of osteopathic medicine and good schools. But rather that way too many new schools claim to be established for filling a PCP gap when in reality they exist to print money. The established DO schools are great and I would be proud to attend them.




See the above man. You go to a strong school that has a 100 year history of producing physicians, it is a legitimate school. This cannot be said about a number of DO schools that have recently opened up and really are borderline money printing stations.
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Interesting... you seemed pretty clear here about all new DO schools. Please only apply to "legitimate" schools.
 
FutureDO22 said:
Interesting... you seemed pretty clear here about all new DO schools.
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A number 😉
MUCOM and ACOM obviously haven't really fit that. Campbell seems to have established connections too. Though some schools like the one that one dude went to with the nurse surgery instructor probably isn't doing many people favors.

Regardless, you're free to maintain your opinion of me as a self-loathing DO app if you want ;P.
 
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serenade said:
A number 😉
MUCOM and ACOM obviously haven't really fit that. Campbell seems to have established connections too. Though some schools like the one that one dude went to with the nurse surgery instructor probably isn't doing many people favors.

Regardless, you're free to maintain your opinion of me as a self-loathing DO app if you want ;P.
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Which school?
 
serenade said:
A number 😉
MUCOM and ACOM obviously haven't really fit that. Campbell seems to have established connections too. Though some schools like the one that one dude went to with the nurse surgery instructor probably isn't doing many people favors.

Regardless, you're free to maintain your opinion of me as a self-loathing DO app if you want ;P.
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So none of the new schools fit that then because you just named the three new schools from last year? So you are essentially saying that you were only talking about LUCOM? You do realize that you said new schools not new school right?
 
serenade said:
A number 😉
MUCOM and ACOM obviously haven't really fit that. Campbell seems to have established connections too. Though some schools like the one that one dude went to with the nurse surgery instructor probably isn't doing many people favors.

Regardless, you're free to maintain your opinion of me as a self-loathing DO app if you want ;P.
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I planned on it.
 
FutureDO22 said:
So none of the new schools fit that then because you just named the three new schools from last year? So you are essentially saying that you were only talking about LUCOM? You do realize that you said new schools not new school right?
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I'd wager that RVU is prolly included in his list of shady schools
 
FutureDO22 said:
So none of the new schools fit that then because you just named the three new schools from last year? So you are essentially saying that you were only talking about LUCOM? You do realize that you said new schools not new school right?
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Examine the mentioned above. I had at the minimal two schools. Regardless at your quoting me off of an anti-coca thread. Did you really expect some optimistic light? If such, I'll send you some of Serenade's Authentic White Wash Fortune Cookies to compensate for the lack of positivism.
 
touchpause13 said:
I'd wager that RVU is prolly included in his list of shady schools
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At this point I don't touch RVU. I'd rather not get PrincessPeanutbuttercup to attack me again, she's also nice so if she likes it, then I'll be ok with it.
 
serenade said:
At this point I don't touch RVU. I'd rather not get PrincessPeanutbuttercup to attack me again, she's also nice so if she likes it, then I'll be ok with it.
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Fair enough. I don't really have much of an opinion of it I just know that's one that tends to get a lot of criticism round here
 
What is this second school that you are talking about then? It just seems to be a bit hypocritical to bash "new schools" on multiple threads saying they wouldn't provide you with a legitimate education and calling them "money printing stations" and then turn around and apply to them. If you are going to stand against something so strongly and gas bag all day about your opinion at least have the fortitude to admit when you are wrong.
 
Daily Routine:
1.wake up
2.check email
3. go to www.my.(insert school here).edu
4.check application status
5. Repeat steps 2-5 every 5 mins until bed time 🤣

I cannot wait to recover from my surgery
 
Listen people.

3.00+/3.00+/27+ is NOT an UD.
3.20+/3.20+/24+ is NOT an UD.
3.50+/3.50+/23+ is NOT an UD.

end of story.
 
user3 said:
Listen people.

3.00+/3.00+/27+ is NOT an UD.
3.20+/3.20+/24+ is NOT an UD.
3.50+/3.50+/23+ is NOT an UD.

end of story.
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User3 you're going to make me pull a specter3 and graph the admission vs gpa/Mcat scale one of these days. But I doubt that will stop you either way I guess hah.
 
user3 said:
Listen people.

3.00+/3.00+/27+ is NOT an UD.
3.20+/3.20+/24+ is NOT an UD.
3.50+/3.50+/23+ is NOT an UD.

end of story.
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But what if someone has a 3.1 and 28 but zero volunteering or clinical hours, no research and pretty much zero EC..wouldn't you think they are still considered an UD
 
Mjolner said:
I'd say LizzyM < 55 or gpa < 3.0 or MCAT <25 puts you in under dog category.
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Average lizzyM for admits: 3.48 + 26.8 ~ 3.5 + 27 = 62.
If argue that a 58 and below makes you an underdog as your chances with those stats is likely under 40%.
That being said a 24 or under with any stats in the 6s makes you a underdog.
A gpa below a 3.00 makes you an underdog.

That being said I honestly don't care to filter people. The data in this thread can be used by underdogs to get an idea of what schools are looking for, potentially how to no longer be underdogs, etc.
 
bionerd89 said:
But what if someone has a 3.1 and 28 but zero volunteering or clinical hours, no research and pretty much zero EC..wouldn't you think they are still considered an UD
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That's not an underdog, that's circulus virtuous hahah.
But seriously tho, that'll almost certainly tank your application and you'll have no shot.
 
I apologize if I shouldn't have posted in here, didn't mean to irk anyone if I did. I realize I have an above average MCAT score but at the same time I assumed being complete (just got verified today) the last week of November would make me an underdog, but I guess I was (happily, I suppose) mistaken.
 
serenade said:
So as having been successful in previous years we're opening up the underdogs thread for this medical school admission cycle! I want this to be a place were we can respectfully discuss admissions issues and how to be successful in getting into medical school.

Underdawg List
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=meddent12: 3.19/3.15 /27 (9,9,9)
11235812: 3.3/ 3.15 / 28 Interviews: ACOM, LMU-DCOM, LECOM-SH, DMU-COM, PNWU, KCOM Acceptance: ACOM, LMU-DCOM, LECOM-SH, and DMU-COM.
AkGrown84: 3.45/3.5/25
Akumar29: 3.21/26
Alakermsu23: 3.9/23 Interviews: MUCOM, LMU
Albein: 3.3/2.9/ 29
anicetus: 3.6/3.75/ 31Q(14/6/11) ATSU-SOMA, AZCOM, DMU-COM, LECOM-E, LECOM-B, Touro-CA, WesternU-COMP.
Back 5: 3.32/3.54 /27: Accepted Western
Cajanmedic: 3.4/3.0/23 Interview : ACOM
chillbob: 3.2/3.2/ 27
ChineseKid: 3.27/ 32 (Canadian) Interview: LMU, AZCOM
Cookiesncreamm3.05 / 2.95 / 28 Interview: ACOM, LUCOM, LMU
Dctodo: 3.3/3.1/27
DE15C: 3.45/3.8/25 Interview: WCU
Dedicated2be: 3.64/3.46/25
Drmo0ose: 3.3/3.0/26
DrOne:3.32 / 3.56 / 23 (6/9/8)
DrSFU: 3.6/2.98/23
DRWHO14: 3.25 / 3.2 / 21 & 22
DXU: 2.95 / 3.27 / 26 (10/8/8)
gameblouses: 3.21/2.9/33
GIpremed: 3.5 / 3.08 / 26 (9,9,8)
GregoryMD: 3.5/3.2/ 23
Hayden19: 3.6/3.1/24 ( 6 BS)
Heybigspender: 3.2/2.9/30 Interview: LECOM-SH
Hippiespeak: 3.93/ 3.88/ 24
HotHamh2o: 3.97/ 3.92 / 24 Interview: CUSOM Acceptance: CUSOM
Hunterthekidd: 3.47/ 3.72 /24 Interview: LUCOM, MUCOM, PNWU
Hvilledoc: cgpa: 3.69/ 3.7/ 22 (8/6/8)
imrizzle: 3.64 / 25
JDMcNugent: 2.88/ 3.36/27
Jsky: 3.65/ 3.56/ 22 (6,8,8)
kmann11 ;3.92 / 3.87 / 24 (10, 6, 8)
kp11: 3.05 / 3.43 / 29 (10,8,11)
Longhorn41592: 3.86/ 3.78/23
Lutzsh01 3.2/3.1/25 Interview: LECOM-SH, CUSOM, VCOM Acceptance: LECOME-SH, VCOM
marvinv: 3.2 /3.1/ 3.5 PB/24
MD013: 3.3/3.15/22 (7/7/8) Interview: PCOM-GA
Melomare: 3.1 / 2.85 /26, 25
MIDOHopeful 3.8 /3.8/ 22
Murdock 2.96 / 3.52 /27 Interview: CUSOM
ogmora: 3.08/3.05/27M ACCEPTED ACOM
Owl1414: 3.33 / 3.42/ 21
PastNastificate: 3.19/3.16/ 30 Interview: RVU, LECOM-E
Piiii:3.27 / 3.25 / 26 (12/6/6)
Points: 3.25/3.17/25
Ponderer313: 3.7/3.9/24 (6,8,10)
postbacpremed87 3.9 G/23 Interview: ACOM, MUCOM, LMU-DCOM, LUCOM: ACCEPTED TO ACOM
Psimmon: 3.3 / 3.3 /27
RN26: 3.57/3.57/22
Rupyness: 3.6/3.5/26
Scrubsman: 3.2/3.05/26(7/9/10)
Shinytofu: 3.38/3.28/24
Sillybiogirl38: 3.45/22
SummerNights23: 2.91/2.72/27
sutexas" 3.45/ 3.11/ 27 Interview: LECOM-E, LECOM-B, NSU, LMU Acceptance: LECOM-E
Temperature101: 3.15 / 3.35/20 (7/4/9)
theu12: 3.67 /3.36 /22,22
touchpause13: 3.5/3.4/25 Interview: CUSOM, Marian, DMU Acceptance: DMU
Triagepremed: 3.1/3.5/23 ,27
Txknight: 3.18/ 3.21/ 29
Verynice: 3.67 /3.84/24
Vincevegal: 3.68/3.64/25 Interview: SOMA, DMU, CUSOM, Touro-NV, Marian, LMU, KCUMB, UP-KYCOM, VCOM
wipeout: 3.3 / 3.2 / 29 Interview: NSU
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FWIW- There is not one person bolded that wouldn't be able to get multiple interviews if they applied broadly and to all the newer schools.
 
user3 said:
FWIW- There is not one person bolded that wouldn't be able to get multiple interviews if they applied broadly and to all the newer schools.
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again, do you understand statistics or are you going to live an anecdotal life.
 
serenade said:
again, do you understand statistics or are you going to live an anecdotal life.
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You cannot use DO admission averages the same way you would use MD ones. On the MD side, pretty much everyone applies broadly and is willing to go to any school that accepts them. Chances of acceptance plummet greatly below 3.6/30. And chance of acceptance only rises somewhat gradually above 3.6/30. This is evidenced by the fact that unsuccessful MD applicants seem to be ALL over the board in terms of stats.

It is not this way on the DO side. The "acceptable" range is much broader, with very competitive schools like CCOM (3.6/29), but also many newer schools like ACOM (3.4/26) all mashed into the "3.5/27" average, allowing 3.3/24 applicants a solid chance at these newer programs, despite being significantly below the average matriculant.

Meanwhile, someone with 3.5/28 would have very poor chances of getting MD acceptance even though they are about the same distance from the 3.7/31 matriculant average, because there is less range in school competitiveness

Also, most unsuccessful DO applicants do not apply broadly enough, so the averages for rejected applicants that you site are not that useful. For example, touchpause applied with 3.3/3.0/25 last year, and did not get in. However, she did not apply to enough of the newer schools like ACOM where she would have had a chance, and she was not able to attend one of her interviews. This is not a common event on the MD side, but is practically an epidemic on the DO side. There was another poster several months ago that mentioned their failed application cycle several years ago. When asked how many schools they applied to, they said 3 or 4. This is the typical "rejected" DO applicant, not the 3.3/24 that applies to 20 schools and gets 0-2 interviews.
 
user3 said:
You cannot use DO admission averages the same way you would use MD ones. On the MD side, pretty much everyone applies broadly and is willing to go to any school that accepts them. Chances of acceptance plummet greatly below 3.6/30. And chance of acceptance only rises somewhat gradually above 3.6/30. This is evidenced by the fact that unsuccessful MD applicants seem to be ALL over the board in terms of stats.

It is not this way on the DO side. The "acceptable" range is much broader, with very competitive schools like CCOM (3.6/29) and newer schools like ACOM (3.4/26) all buried into the 3.5/27 average, allowing 3.3/24 applicants to have a decent shot. Meanwhile, someone with 3.5/28 would have very poor chances of getting MD acceptance even though they are about the same distance from the 3.7/31 matriculant average, because there is less range in school competitiveness

Also, most unsuccessful DO applicants do not apply broadly enough, so the averages for rejected applicants that you site are not that useful. For example, touchpause applied with 3.3/3.0/25 last year, and did not get in. However, she did not apply to enough of the newer schools like ACOM where she would have had a chance, and she was not able to attend one of her interviews. This is not a common event on the MD side, but is practically an epidemic on the DO side. There was another poster several months ago that mentioned their failed application cycle several years ago. When asked how many schools they applied to, they said 3 or 4. This is the typical "rejected" DO applicant, not the 3.3/24 that applies to 20 schools and gets 0-2 interviews.
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You're making assumptions, furthermore there is a point of limited returns with all statistics. Regardless, I'm done. You may maintain your view.
 
you guys I have applied to:

SOMA (completed secondary), KCOM (completed secondary), WVSOM (completed secondary), KYCOM (completed secondary), OSU-COM (completed secondary), LMU-DCOM (completed secondary), both PCOMs (completed secondary to Georgia campus), ACOM, CUSOM, both VCOM's, LUCOM, MUCOM, PNWU, WCUCOM

should I add more schools to my list? I do have a 6 in the Verbal section of my MCAT
 
Hvilledoc said:
you guys I have applied to:

SOMA (completed secondary), KCOM (completed secondary), WVSOM (completed secondary), KYCOM (completed secondary), OSU-COM (completed secondary), LMU-DCOM (completed secondary), both PCOMs (completed secondary to Georgia campus), ACOM, CUSOM, both VCOM's, LUCOM, MUCOM, PNWU, WCUCOM

should I add more schools to my list? I do have a 6 in the Verbal section of my MCAT
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I would add both LECOM's to your already good list. There maybe more that I'm not thinking off, but you nailed them pretty good.
 
I've been an active member of this thread for two years now and last year this thread was full of positive energy and motivation/hope given to TRUE underdogs. I would love to try and spark that momentum again and give hope to any TRUE underdog out there who was just like me; The pre-medical students who have a strong passion to become a doctor and thought their GPA's (and/or) MCAT would hold them back. This is my third cylce of applying and wanted to get updated on the front page.
My third MCAT score was a 23.....(private message me if you want the break down)....I would like to be updated with interviews at WVSOM, ACOM, LMU-DCOM , and MUCOM. YES 4 interviews as a true underdog. I'm also happy to say I have an acceptance at WVSOM. So anyone who had to take the MCAT multiple times and anyone out there who thinks their grades/MCAT won't get them into medical school this is simply not true! It takes a lot of hard work and dedication, but if you really want to become a doctor, it is possible. Anyone with questions about my path or the different schools I interviewed at feel free to PM me.....I just don't want anyone to give up on becoming a doctor if this is truly what they want. Happy to say I will be apart of the Class of 2018!
 
TheU12 said:
I've been an active member of this thread for two years now and last year this thread was full of positive energy and motivation/hope given to TRUE underdogs. I would love to try and spark that momentum again and give hope to any TRUE underdog out there who was just like me; The pre-medical students who have a strong passion to become a doctor and thought their GPA's (and/or) MCAT would hold them back. This is my third cylce of applying and wanted to get updated on the front page.
My third MCAT score was a 23.....(private message me if you want the break down)....I would like to be updated with interviews at WVSOM, ACOM, LMU-DCOM , and MUCOM. YES 4 interviews as a true underdog. I'm also happy to say I have an acceptance at WVSOM. So anyone who had to take the MCAT multiple times and anyone out there who thinks their grades/MCAT won't get them into medical school this is simply not true! It takes a lot of hard work and dedication, but if you really want to become a doctor, it is possible. Anyone with questions about my path or the different schools I interviewed at feel free to PM me.....I just don't want anyone to give up on becoming a doctor if this is truly what they want. Happy to say I will be apart of the Class of 2018!
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Congrats love!!! Excellent job!!!!
 
I am definitely an underdog. Please give me advice. Here are the stats:

- cGPA : 3.74
- sGPA : 3.70
- MCAT: 24 --> 24 (VR5, BS 9, PS 10) The score are pretty similar among the 2 times taken it 🙁
- Decent EC: 200+ hospital hours, 100+ DO shadowing hour, Leaders of two clubs in undergrad, 2 years of research experience with publish research paper...working as tutor for chemistry in college for more than 2 years.

I finished most of my supplements mid October to early November. I still have not heard anything back yet...So worry 🙁
 
TPDO said:
I am definitely an underdog. Please give me advice. Here are the stats:

- cGPA : 3.74
- sGPA : 3.70
- MCAT: 24 --> 24 (VR5, BS 9, PS 10) The score are pretty similar among the 2 times taken it 🙁
- Decent EC: 200+ hospital hours, 100+ DO shadowing hour, Leaders of two clubs in undergrad, 2 years of research experience with publish research paper...working as tutor for chemistry in college for more than 2 years.

I finished most of my supplements mid October to early November. I still have not heard anything back yet...So worry 🙁
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I think you need to be honest about your chances and start studying for a retake.
 
TPDO said:
I am definitely an underdog. Please give me advice. Here are the stats:

- cGPA : 3.74
- sGPA : 3.70
- MCAT: 24 --> 24 (VR5, BS 9, PS 10) The score are pretty similar among the 2 times taken it 🙁
- Decent EC: 200+ hospital hours, 100+ DO shadowing hour, Leaders of two clubs in undergrad, 2 years of research experience with publish research paper...working as tutor for chemistry in college for more than 2 years.

I finished most of my supplements mid October to early November. I still have not heard anything back yet...So worry 🙁
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you will be fine. Someone on here got into NSU, for example, with lower stats than you (3.7/3.5/24)-- and NSU is one of the harder schools to get into. And I am sure this person was not an outlier.
 
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I would add both LECOM's to your already good list. There maybe more that I'm not thinking off, but you nailed them pretty good.
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do you know if id be screen out at both LECOMs for having a 6 in verbal
 
verynice said:
For purposes of updating my entry: I was accepted to WVSOM, LUCOM, LMUDCOM, VCOM, and PCOM-GA

I had a 6 in verbal
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Wow congrats! Have you decided where you are going?
 
verynice said:
For purposes of updating my entry: I was accepted to WVSOM, LUCOM, LMUDCOM, VCOM, and PCOM-GA

I had a 6 in verbal
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Very happy for you. I have 2 interviews, one for WVUSOM and one for LUCOM. hopefully I can say the same as you. Good luck.
 
verynice said:
For purposes of updating my entry: I was accepted to WVSOM, LUCOM, LMUDCOM, VCOM, and PCOM-GA

I had a 6 in verbal
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good job!.. i applied to both VCOMs but have not heard anything back yet.
 
Indianarn said:
Me too, they have yet to send me a secondary. Even if they did now, I am not sending it in. Very disappointed.
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i know the feeling.. how long has it been since they received your primary?
 
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