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Discussion in 'Emergency Medicine' started by doggydog, Dec 26, 2016.
Eerily quiet up here, the calm before the fcking storm....
GOOD LUCK TOMORROW EVERYONE!!!!
So programs learn who they matched today, right? I'm sure this is a stupid question, but why do they learn before the applicants do?
Yes, program directors find out in about 45 minutes who matched to their program. I have no idea why they find out earlier. Yes it is a violation to and if they are caught they will not be able to participate in the match next year. Even other faculty and residents don't find out until you do tomorrow. We are probably just as excited as you are.
From my understanding, it is mostly logistical so the PD and their office can work on welcome letters, pics, etc etc. I the programs have about a 12 hr head start on knowing how is coming in July.
Yep PDs already know but info is embargoed until 1pm tomorrow.
May you all get your #1 choice tomorrow and sleep In Peace. trust the process !
Congrats! Matched at my #9 -- feels bad man, but not so surprising given I was such a "crapplicant" (crappy applicant, yeah I just made that up).
After reading the SOAP thread and also learning that 20% of my classmates who were trying for EM didn't match, I kind of just have to be happy I matched at all. What a crazy process!
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Don't knock yourself down man, you ****ing matched!
Congratulations, you're going to be an em doc!
And somehow, so am I. This is so weird, I think I'll be waiting for the email saying it was all a mistake till at least august
I MATCHED AT MY NUMBER 3!!!! I am beyond excited and am so glad I have a future in Emergency Medicine. It is going to be interesting relocating/driving from Boston to Arizona between intern years though.
Matched #1!!!! So relieved... congratulations to everyone! It's been quite a journey with you all!
Matched at my #1 but 3 hours from my GF. I'M HAVING ALL OF THE EMOTIONS.
Matched at my #2. SO HAPPY!! Congratulations everyone. We did it!
Matched at the program that gave me the good vibes on interview day! So stoked bros!
Spending four years at the program of my dreams! Looks like I'll be taking a 4 year break from the mountains, but stoked. Congrats to all the other applicants, enjoy the day!
Matched to my #1! This whole process has been such a roller coaster and I spent much of the last several months worried I would not match at all. What an amazing feeling!
Matched #1 )))))))
Now do I go back to my old username or stick this one out?
Matched at my #2 and I couldn't be more happy for it as I regretted not making them #1 shortly after rank lists finalized!
The Match Gods knew and made sure it would work out for you.
Matched at my #7, just below my home program. Something about knowing that your home program didn't want you really stings. The PDs really do lie, even when some sent handwritten letters saying they'd love to have you. Wasn't expecting this at all. I should be happy to match period but I couldn't hold back the tears after seeing my spouse break down and cry. I know I'll be happy to start when I start but it honestly feels terrible right now.
I'm really sorry To hear that you're bummed about your match. The other stakeholders in our lives (kids, spouses, etc...) are super important and it sucks to disappoint them. On the other hand - you matched! You still get to do the coolest job in medicine. 4/19 EM applicant in my class didn't match and had to scramble into surgical prelim years. On balance, I'm happy to have matched anywhere. Keep your head up and do the right thing and get preposterously, rip-roaringly drunk tonight!
Same, I last minute swapped my #1 and #2, and regretted it since. It somehow worked out and got what I really wanted. Feel so very lucky, and I hope you guys the best intern year ever
#4 here. Let this be a lesson to future applicants to not be swayed by any email/letter/phone call from a PD. Definitely felt like one of my 1-3 ranked programs were a for sure thing based on feedback from PDs, but unfortunately not the case. Either way, happy to be matched and pursuing my dream at another great program! Congrats all!
Matched at my #2!
I flipped between this program and another program for my #1 throughout the entire season. I felt like a perfect fit at this program and couldn't be more excited to train there.
A few issues here to discuss. First, Im sure you are happy to have matched, so you shouldnt feel terrible. Congratulations on matching. There are tons of people out there right now that would kill to go to that spot you matched into.
Re: significant others and the match. It really is tough, there's no way around it. They need to understand that every program ranked is a real possibility, and I dont think people should rank programs if they arent comfortable ending up there. I get it, you're going to rank programs to ensure matching, but in the end ranking a program means you and your SO are going to have a chance of living there, so Id make sure to have that conversation.
Re: the home program, saying we will rank you highly doesnt mean you are ranked to match. Now if a place told you that you were ranked to match and you didnt, then they lied. Sometimes programs just fill there list faster than expected. I know we filled up way higher on our list that I anticipated this year, leaving some great candidates on the list. It happens, the match is unpredictable.
Regarding feeling bad about your home program not wanting you, remember, you ranked your home program 6th, Im assuming in the bottom half of your list. Why feel bad about someone not taking ranking you higher when you didnt want to be there in the first place? Everyone cant be top 10 on eachothers list on each side of the aisle.
And I definitely agree with the other poster re: post match communication. I never believe students when they say "im ranking you #1" and it doesnt affect their rank. Same should go for students. I personally have never lied to a student or misled them about their chances, but having been lied to several times (once again this year) you just come to expect it unfortunately. Smart students and programs rank their candidates based on the best fit, not who likes them the most. There are candidates in my top 10 every year who probably have us ranked at the bottom of their list, and I would still jump for joy if one of those people slipped to us. You'd be foolish to rank someone higher/lower, or rank a program higher/lower, based on some perception of being liked.
I've always thought there should be an official "ranking you #1" token on ERAS that the system only allows you to send to one program, so it actually means something.
Matched at my #1! Super stoked to start this summer after a much-needed break at the end of fourth year.
I know this is hard, especially when you have a spouse. Sure you should feel glad that you matched (seems like this was a rough year for EM), but that doesn't mean you can't be sad about how it turned out.
I didn't match at my #1 and it was really hard, I shed many tears and it was very difficult for me to move. It was hard for my spouse too. Fast forward 4 years later and it turned out being one of the most wonderful things that ever happened to me. We ended up LOVING both the location and the hospital I trained at, and are now hoping to go back post-fellowship. So keep an open heart and an open mind, you might both end up being surprised at what you'll find!!
It feels wonderful to finally write this... IMG surgery prelim.... but now a fancy EM Resident.... boss mode I'm out
In 1999, when EM was vastly less competitive than today, I matched at my #6 and was extremely depressed about it. Match night I left the party after just 1 beer and walked home alone in the cool Illinois air through some ****ty neighborhoods. I was bummed I was going to a four year program in a town I knew only one person in. All I can say is I know the feeling but things worked out OK for me. I got great training: walked into that hospital a boy but left a man. I wish you the best.
I feel for you. Back in the day, I matched below where I expected and my wife cried. It honestly has worked out far better than I ever could have imagined. We are far better off than we would have been in the other city and we are still here. If you had told me that on Match day back then, I would have laughed in your face (or given dirty looks). You both have to make an honest effort to make the best out of it and look for opportunities, rather than bitterness and resentment.
I get it. But in the end, you matched. I didn't, and had to spend intern year in a different state than my wife. The night of the no match "notice" involved some tears.
I ended up ok, but it took awhile. You'll get there as well. Others aren't so lucky. You can feel bad, and this post isn't telling you not to. But it is telling you that your future is still bright.
Hey EMPertinent, embound1265, gamerEMdoc, Mr. Hat, Dr. Mantis, BADMD, and Dr.Mcninja. Thank you very much for the encouraging words and dose of reality. It really helps to hear other's experiences and that some of you have gone through the same thing. I feel lucky to be in a supportive marriage despite the circumstances. I'll be sure to make it a priority to continue to nurture our relationship and not to be resentful going forward. I also know that I'm very fortunate to have a place to train and I'm going to do my best to ensure that I make the most out of this opportunity and become the best EM doc I can. This was a very good learning experience for me in that I won't rest on my laurels or take my place for granted anymore. Congratulations to those who have matched and I do sympathize with those who didn't.
DOs here that couples matched my #8 and her #3. Congratulations to everyone.
Matched at my #1! Such an amazing feeling!
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Couples matched at #1! Both EM
Humbled to say that I have the opportunity to train at my first choice program.
Matched at my #1!!! I still can't believe it. Congrats to everyone on matching!!
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Partner and I both matched at our top programs (EM and Peds). Couldn't be more excited!
Super excited to start residency and meet some of the awesome people I'll get to work with. Best wishes to everyone and good luck in your EM careers!
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Step 1: >250, Step 2: >260
EM rotations: HP/H
Medical school region: Midwest
Anything else that made you more competitive:
2 EM focused research projects (1 publication), Former ED Scribe
Main Considerations in Creating this ROL:
Reputation, Fit, Location
1) Denver Health
Pros: Huge name in EM, outstanding clinical training, got along with the residents during the interview dinner better than at any other location, lots of family in Denver with housing available to me, outdoor access (skiing/rock climbing/biking/hiking/ect.)
Cons: The programs self-describes itself as intense, 4 years, not sure I'm a huge fan of the rapid shift cycling.
2) Hennepin County
Pros: Strong reputation, cutting edge EM practiced here (ED ECMO, TEE during resuscitations, US in every room, ect.), got along well with the residents, well resourced for a county program, easy drive back home, enjoyed Minneapolis, 3 years, great biking in the area.
Con: Some residents did seem a bit burnt out at times, cold winters (although I deal with this better than most).
Pros: Strong reputation, happy residents with great resident turnout at dinner, enjoyed the residents that I interacted with, adjust holiday scheduling to give you either Christmas or New Years off, good outdoor access nearby, great benefit package, 3 years
Cons: Farther from home, S.O. was unsure of moving to a more southern state, less vacation time than ideal, fewest number of ED months
4) University of Washington
Pros: Solid new program that I thought sold itself well, faculty from big name institutions all over the country, UW is a great place to train on offservice months, Seattle is a dream city for me with friends already in the area, great outdoor access.
Cons: Don't really pay residents to make up for the high COL in the city, far from home, rough sounding intern year, 4 years
5) University of Wisconsin
Pros: This was definitely the wildcard program for me, ultimately if I were to rerank I think I'd move this program up to 4. A program that appears to be quickly on the rise with young, energetic faculty. Very well-resourced, great benefits (especially considering lower COL), great attending/resident interaction, 3+1 option, Madison is a great town.
Cons: A little smaller city than ideal, still building up its reputation, no good climbing gyms in town (this may sound silly, but is definitely a contributor to my overall happiness)
6) Advocate Christ
Pros: Good reputation, This program was #1 on my list for a while. Loved the residents that I met, all seemed like people I'd want to grab a drink with and were enthusiastic about the program, liked PD and APD (who is becoming the PD), no graduated responsibility (seeing the sickest of the sick from day 1), working 1on1 with an attending with varied level of support based on competency.
Cons: While I love Chicago the program is removed from downtown and the city isn't the best place job-wise for my SO. No opportunity to practice supervising residents/students. Bad commute from downtown. Bad outdoor access
Pros: Good reputation, Great sell on interview day, beautiful facilities, downtown Chicago.
Cons: Again, love Chicago but it's not the greatest fit for my S.O. Some of the residents seemed to indicate that they didn't feel they were getting a whole lot out of the back half of their 4th year, didn't vibe with some of the attendings. Bad outdoor access.
8) Ohio State
Pros: Nice facilities, residents seemed nice but quiet at times, Columbus has a good COL and seems like a fun city.
Cons: Unsure on how much I like the flipped classroom concept, not a ton of trauma exposure, Hard to get back to my home city to this similarly sized town via plane (no direct flights)
9) Henry Ford
Pros: Did a rotation here and loved it. Had planned on ranking it higher, until midway through interview season. Good reputation, great clinical exposure, the attendings were great teachers, loved the third year residents I worked with during my month there, friends in the area, liked the city of Detroit during my month there.
Cons: Ultimately I didn't really feel like I fit in very well with the interns or PGY-2's at this program, dinner was poorly attended and my conversations seemed more forced than at other places. Off-service rotations sounded a bit brutal at times. Only see lower acuity patients during intern year in the ED.
10) University of Kansas
Pros: Close to home, love KC (great COL, tons of new development and fun things to do). All of the attendings I met were great and very friendly except for one.
Cons: New program with middling reputation. Don't get the same clinical exposure as programs above.
11) Maine Med
Pros: Loved Portland and Maine, not a ton of other residency programs at the hospital so you have to learn to do things yourself, residents were very friendly and enthusiastic, good outdoor access, 1 family member in the area.
Cons: Ultimately decided that I'd (and my S.O.) would feel too isolated here from the rest of our family and friends. Would prefer a program where everyone wasn't already coupled up (feel like this makes groups less social).
12) Wash U St. Louis
Pros: Good reputation, close to home, liked the PD
Cons: Only really had good conversation with one of the residents that I met, didn't really like any of the other applicants on my interview day (less laid back, loud, no common interests...while I know this shouldn't matter, it was hard to ignore). One attending flat out told me she wasn't a big fan on St. Louis and that my home city was better. The ED doesn't seem to get much respect from the different specialties at Barnes Jewish.
Pros: Interesting cases come into Rochester from across the country, great off-service teaching, great resources.
Cons: Rochester is kind of isolating, didn't get along with the residents here as well as at other places, too many specialists.
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Step 1: 230, Step 2: 240, CS: pass
EM rotations: HP/HP
Medical school region: Souf
Anything else that made you more competitive:
I had a semi-unique college CV and some decent volunteering, maybe it helped
Main Considerations in Creating this ROL:
Fit with residents and faculty, location (big cities), 3 year only
1) UMKC -
I loved Kansas City, much more than I expected (medium sized city). The people were very nice and the faculty sort of made it clear that they liked chill people, which I liked. The program was well laid out, lots of good rotations. County-ish with autonomy. Residents were very nice and close knit, a big plus for me. A con might include the rigorous second year, but I think that's made up for with the nice schedule the other two years. The residents also can't go to national conference all together because of scheduling, so that's a bummer.
2) Riverside Community Hospital -
SoCal, 3 years, great PD, lots of procedures. As others have mentioned, there's something romantic about being the first class to graduate from a program. California weather's great. Cons I thought would include the untested waters of a new program, but there's enough experience in the faculty to wash that away. They definitely pushed the democratic EM group that they're sponsored by pretty hard, but I thought that was fine. And while it shouldn't affect my decision, I interviewed with a pretty chill group of people, and figured that was somewhat representative of the eventual class in the program.
3) Presence Resurrection -
I loved Chicago, thought the residents I met were hilarious and I was smiling through all my interviews. Had some reservations with it being a religious institution, but that didn't make much difference in how they practice. You do have to drive around a lot (multiple sites), and it gets cold, but I figured I could manage that to be around people I get along with. Months at hospitals like Sinai and Cook County also point to a diverse experience, which I like.
4) Hackensack -
Actually wanted to rank this program much lower because of some remarks during an interview, but after thinking a bit more and reading some of the things posted here about the great PD (which he was) and the pros of the program, I realized I should put it higher. Especially since I wanted to be in a more populous area. In hindsight, it probably shouldn't have moved up so high on my rank list, but what're you gonna do. It is pretty expensive, and I'm not used to living in the NE, so that might go against the program for me.
5) Beaumont -
I should have put this #4 for location reasons, but here it is. Beaumont was an interesting place. Seemed to stress academics, conferences and moving up in the EM hierarchy. Ther was an inspirational talk by the EM chair, and by the end of it I felt like running for ACEP president. Located in a suburban area north of Detroit, Beaumont was a fancy place. Residents had a great support system for getting things done in the hospital (eg. individual phones to contact staff to page doctors for you). However, all of this also led it to seeming like a place removed from the craziness of EM. Although I'm sure it exists in spades, I just didn't see it during my interview and it wasn't much stressed either. Still, the residents were cool and the amenities won me over.
6) Corpus Christi -
Great residents, fantastic autonomy and learning. I just didn't like Corpus Christi and wanted to be in a more "city" city. Hospital was also still under construction at the time of interview, but that didn't really matter to me. People say the PDs is a little awkward, but I had no problem talking to him and thought most of the faculty I met was helpful and laid back. I definitely have to stress the procedural competency and independence of the residents. Awesome program with a nice schedule, but personal decisions factor in.
7) Detroit Sinai Grace -
Honestly, I feel like this program would've made me into some EM machine; they're busy and efficient. The PD doesn't mince words and tells you that you're going to work hard and be good at your job. Trauma was heavily emphasized as well. Problems with the program for me included the feeling that there's unnecessary grunt work and residents stay late a little too often. Detroit seems to be getting back on its feet though, so that's encouraging for living conditions.
8) Aventura -
New program, PD places lots of emphasis on connections to the EM community. I had a pleasant enough time at Aventura, but felt like I didn't know what kind of program it aspires to be, since they haven't yet had a proper match and it's a new program to begin with. Definitely one of the nicest coordinators, though. Aventura itself isn't really my kind of place. Lots of traffic and lots of tourists. Plus I had the impression that our patient population wouldn't be the greatest source of practice for eventual EM work.
9) Central Michigan University -
I feel bad placing this program so low, because the faculty and staff were great, ER ran smoothly, work hours were great, SIM lab is new and improved, and you definitely get enough experience with trauma. However, because one of my main criteria was location, there's just no way Saginaw was going to go very high. I'm also not sure if I would've gotten along with the residents as well as I did in other locations, but that of course is subjective.
10) OUDEM (Tulsa) -
Not much to say here. Tulsa is a wide open, up and coming town located in NE Oklahoma. The PD was nice, the mission of the place was definitely in line with a community hospital. Overall, for me the place was alright, but because I didn't share much in common with the residents, it was hard to see myself here. Warm (relative) weather is a plus, but it's just not the place for me. And they work 12s (con), though they get plenty of time off with 31 day months (pro).
11) LSU Baton Rouge -
I didn't like this place and they didn't like me, or at least that 's how it felt after my interviews. This was the first place I interviewed at, and while I might have been a poor interviewee (at the time), I feel like I was more or less treated as an alternate from the start (I was asked ~3 questions by 2 interviewers and the PD just read my application back to me. The ER seems great, the residents seemed happy and the staff was nice. However, I just didn't fit in with the vibe this program was giving off and definitely didn't fit in with the city. I can definitely see this being a program for people who fit in with the Baton Rouge culture, but that's just not me.
12) Backup specialty - I really thought of ranking this higher than #11, but didn't. Now that I've gone through the match, I can say that I realized before I got my results that I was very happy I left this last. EM is EM.
after months of lurking, finally going to give back to the forum
Step 1: >240, Step 2: >240, CS: pass
EM rotations: H/H/H
Medical school region: too much detail!
Main Considerations in Creating this ROL:
Fit with residents and faculty, location (spouse's job greatly influenced final ROL), reputation, diversity of patient population and clinical practice environments, institutional support for research and international experiences
Incredible faculty + resources, great EMR/internal consulting software, small census made up for by outrageously high ICU admission rate. Have several hospital affiliations in varying practice atmospheres which will come in handy when you get out. Essentially brand new ED (2014). Interns get all procedures on their assigned patients. 3+1 design is absolutely brilliant for those undecided about community versus academics or envision a hybrid career. Faculty seem relatively down to earth despite the Harvard name. You get to work RedSox games!! Great Simulation, plenty of international opportunities and tons of fellowships. COL is very rough and driving to sites (some of which are 1 hour away) will deter some but this is only a small number of months per year.
4 years. This was by far my favorite program on the trail (out of 15), with an incredibly enthusiastic and engaging faculty, friendly and wickedly smart residents in a department overflowing with resources. 9 hour shifts (overlapping), >100k pt census, asynchronous learning paradigm (ideal for EM), plenty of international opportunities, get to work on Marthas vineyard or Block Island (watch out for Lyme!), integrated pediatrics, lots of teaching opportunities, natural light in the emergency department (more shops need to do this), solid moonlighting opportunities 4th year, tons of fellowships. Have an entire EM shifts dedicated to seeing and treating critically ill patients. This program is everything I dreamed emergency medicine training would be like, such a shame that it is in Providence where my spouse could not easily find work.
3 years. Primary hospital (Sentara Norfolk General) is attached to the only tertiary pediatric hospital in the state (CHKD), catchment area is large with all of eastern VA and northern NC. Continuous pediatric exposure (~20%) on all EM months plus dedicated Peds ED time with PEM faculty in CHKD (tldr: Peds is strong here). Have additional affiliations with both a rural-EM site and the more "everyone has insurance" community site in Virginia Beach. These three combined make for an incredibly diverse practice environment which should prepare you well when you're finished. The faculty here are intensely smart, warm and friendly with no needlessly tense or awkward discussions and genuinely want to know about you personally to see whether or not you would fit in. Well funded, pay for HIPPO EM and ROSH review, weekly sim, strong ultrasound with fellowships. Great moonlighting opportunities. 8 hour shifts (obviously this means trading more free time during the day for more shifts per months). Have scribes in the ED starting 2 year. COL is excellent even if you live on the beach!
3 years. Very well established and respected. Shock trauma is a unique practice environment and apparently runs like well oil machine with chest tubes flying everywhere. An EM resident is essentially always in the TRU so don't let anyone tell you that trauma is an issue here. The PD makes it clear that he wants to create academic leaders in the field and not "clock in-clock out ER docs" as he put it. Residents seemed exhausted honestly but residency isn't exactly supposed to be easy and perhaps I caught them on an off day. Fair amount driving to DC or PG county when not at the main hospital. Baltimore itself is a cool city, surprisingly high COL for how rough most neighborhoods are. 12 hours shifts at main university hospital. Great international medicine and teaching opportunities. This program is excellent with the academic acumen of a 4 year program crammed into 3 years but would undoubtedly be worth it for catapulting you into a high impact EM career.
4 years. Well established and respected, two main affiliations (GW and INOVA fairfax hospital) which gives you the city + community practice feel respectively. 9 hour shifts, 12 on weekends. Have a MedEd philosophy culminating with a 4th year "mini-fellowship" which may be useful for those going into academics. Have international/global health opportunities. Diverse patient population, DC is a fantastic place to live although traffic and COL is honestly outrageous. Old ED
6. Maine Medical Center
3 years. This program is excellent, which world class faculty dedicated to constantly improving the residency. Few other residencies in the hospital which is a blessing in that you are not constantly consulting out. New ED in 2009 with natural light. Have a strong international and wilderness medicine program (including resident led trip to Utah if you so desire). Faculty and residents are warm and friendly. Faculty/staff vast majority are white as is a substantial portion of Maine in general. Great ultrasound with plenty of new state of the art machines scattered around the department. Not a ton of penetrating trauma so far as I could tell. Portland is absolutely gorgeous, affordable, freezing with a long winter but stunning and perfect summer. This program would prepare you very well for either community or academic practice.
7. UC Davis
3 years. Very good reputation nationally, main hospital is both the "county" and "tertiary referral" hospital which provides the best of both worlds. Excellent simulation and ultrasound curriculum, tons of teaching opportunities, take pride is serving the community's most vulnerable and underserved population. Very focused emphasis on resident wellness, very outdoorsy bunch. Sacramento has fair COL by Cali standards, beautiful weather, minimal traffic, bikable. ED has scribes. PD is a very pleasant and intelligent man who obviously care very much about resident success.
sadly have run out of time to continue, hope this was helpful
Matched #1. I was torn between my 1 and 2 and it came down to the wire.
Super excited to be a future EMP ( Futuristic EMP, new sig possibly).
Everybody trying to be offended these days...I'm pretty sure he wasn't saying a DO couldn't match somewhere like that. BUT most do not match places like that.
A Fellow DO
Wait, you're offended because someone said that DOs are less competitive?
What world are you living in?
Can I also live there?
This is ridiculous. No one is saying its impossible, but don't deny the struggle that DO's have matching. You know you are one of the few in your program. This denial of the truth is offensive to those not as lucky as you are.
I don't really need to justify myself because other people picked up on what I meant, but you clearly didn't. Let me first state that I am also a DO student that's in EM. You are a "verified pharmacist" and DO. You aren't exactly the typical DO now are you? Many of my classmates and good friends matched at some very well-respected EM programs like yours. I was just looking for applicants that were not the typical SDNer w/ 240/250+ at an MD school that typically posts on here. I was looking for ANY DO student or below average MD students... you know, the classic underdogs that won't be getting interviews everywhere because of their app or letters after their name.
That's how I read it and was inclined to make a similar post because I am not an MD 250er so a lot of these lists do not help me. Would love to see responses on places not named Denver, Cinci, etc.