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Maybe if our MD colleagues learned cranial, they would have matched. Who else can cure depression using only their hands? (Inb4 prostitutes)
The first matchlist thread without meat tornado reminding DOs that they’re garbage on average and should never feel good about themselves. I know it sounds sarcastic, but I’m kinda sad about this for real.
Who said you need hands to do cranial? I have it on good authority you can do it with your mind.Maybe if our MD colleagues learned cranial, they would have matched. Who else can cure depression using only their hands? (Inb4 prostitutes)
Did he get banned? Is that why the 2017 match list just mysteriously 'disappeared' after a couple months. That thing was gold. 30 pages of high quality entertainment with like 5 actual match-lists.The first matchlist thread without meat tornado reminding DOs that they’re garbage on average and should never feel good about themselves. I know it sounds sarcastic, but I’m kinda sad about this for real.
Did he get banned? Is that why the 2017 match list just mysteriously 'disappeared' after a couple months. That thing was gold. 30 pages of high quality entertainment with like 5 actual match-lists.
I enjoyed/enjoy both of their posts. Premeds read these forums, see that 4 people had insane matches out an entire class and think that’s going to be them. It’s good to balance things out even if sometimes those posts swing the pendulum too far the other way.You’ll get over it. This one will be a few pages of actual discussion of the matches, instead of 40 pages of trolling and troll-feeding. I for one look forward to a productive discussion.
Though I suppose that radiologist guy could come in and pinch hit for the meat.
He left after a TOS violation. I used to think he was pretty harsh until I tried to get premeds on this site to understand that there’s an extreme disadvantage to the DO route myself and they just will not listen...Did he get banned? Is that why the 2017 match list just mysteriously 'disappeared' after a couple months. That thing was gold. 30 pages of high quality entertainment with like 5 actual match-lists.
I enjoyed/enjoy both of their posts. Premeds read these forums, see that 4 people had insane matches out an entire class and think that’s going to be them. It’s good to balance things out even if sometimes those posts swing the pendulum too far the other way.
Both of them make us take the osteopathic approach and look at “the whole matchlist” lol.
I’m not even going that far. I don’t think either of them act like it’s some kind of conspiracy when a DO has a good match either. Just getting pre-DOs to acknowledge that 8 amazing matches out of a class of of 200 isn’t grounds to believe that the DO degree doesn’t face its own inherent challenges would probably be an adequate response.Agreed 100%. No one knows the entire story behind each match. Research, personal/family connections, gap/research year, boards, class rank, etc.
I'm not sure that you're really being a downer. I think its realistic to understand that if you attend a DO school, you will have a high probability of having to enter some form of primary care. If someone doesn't understand this then they're living in a fantasy world, or not understanding the decisions they're making. Just my thoughts as an incoming DO student.I’m not even going that far. I don’t think either of them act like it’s some kind of conspiracy when a DO has a good match either. Just getting pre-DOs to acknowledge that 8 amazing matches out of a class of of 200 isn’t grounds to believe that the DO degree doesn’t face its own inherent challenges would probably be an adequate response.
I hate that I’m becoming part of the downers in this thread. I’m happy for everyone who matched and hope to join you all someday on the other side.
You know, if somebody gets their first or second choice residency no matter where it is, it's a good residency.Some LECOM highlights that I know of:
(I know very little about competitiveness of various programs so I'm going on what seems like big-names here, don't come after me)
Penn State - med/peds, IM, and pediatrics
Case Western - anesthesia
UConn - general surgery, IM
UMass Worcester - IM
Tufts - radiology
University of Minnesota - radiology
UPMC - radiology, pediatrics
Johns Hopkins - EM
Childrens Hospital of Michigan - peds
University of Florida Gainesville - IM
University of Florida Jacksonville - general surgery
Detroit Medical Center - urology
More importantly to me personally is that I know a lot of people got their first or second choice-- for many that was a community program wherever home is, and I'm happy for them even if it doesn't impress SDN.
I’m not even going that far. I don’t think either of them act like it’s some kind of conspiracy when a DO has a good match either. Just getting pre-DOs to acknowledge that 8 amazing matches out of a class of of 200 isn’t grounds to believe that the DO degree doesn’t face its own inherent challenges would probably be an adequate response.
I hate that I’m becoming part of the downers in this thread. I’m happy for everyone who matched and hope to join you all someday on the other side.
I don’t try to convince anyone since I think it’s their responsibility to know about their career. We can present facts and data, but if they are going to remain ignorant and deny everything, it is their loss.
Maybe if our MD colleagues learned cranial, they would have matched. Who else can cure depression using only their hands? (Inb4 prostitutes)
I wouldn't worry about it, these OMS0's will be singing a different tune in a couple years when they see how 2019 and 2020 does and they realize they are too far in to quit. They were told what they wanted to hear (i.e. You can do anything! Your special!), and are simply trying to 'speak it into existance' like Lavar Ball.I’m not even going that far. I don’t think either of them act like it’s some kind of conspiracy when a DO has a good match either. Just getting pre-DOs to acknowledge that 8 amazing matches out of a class of of 200 isn’t grounds to believe that the DO degree doesn’t face its own inherent challenges would probably be an adequate response.
I hate that I’m becoming part of the downers in this thread. I’m happy for everyone who matched and hope to join you all someday on the other side.
I’m not even going that far. I don’t think either of them act like it’s some kind of conspiracy when a DO has a good match either. Just getting pre-DOs to acknowledge that 8 amazing matches out of a class of of 200 isn’t grounds to believe that the DO degree doesn’t face its own inherent challenges would probably be an adequate response.
I hate that I’m becoming part of the downers in this thread. I’m happy for everyone who matched and hope to join you all someday on the other side.
Unfortunately, still doesn't help the 20% post-merger. I would love if schools would publish actual match lists (not placement)--because then we could see if there are truly schools that better serve students.After being on SDN for some five years, it used to be only 1/200 made a great match. Now we see, as mentioned, 8/200 great matches, but more importantly, there sure seem to be a lot more decent matches, when in the past, these were also less common.
Yes, about 55-60% of DO grads go into Primary Care, but 40% are still getting into specialties.
And my read of recent match history is that those outliers sure are becoming less like outliers, and more in the definition of, oh, lets say uncommon. And what used to be uncommon is now becoming commonplace.
At least for my kids, more doors seem to be opening up.
If I wanted sugar coated advice like this about residencies I would ask my grandma. It’s ok to speak about things in an objective and relative way. People can handle it. You would think that because the Browns play in the NFL they would be a good football team by definition. You would be wrong.You know, if somebody gets their first or second choice residency no matter where it is, it's a good residency.
This was my first thought as well, but from what I’m gathering many DOs matched top tier psych this year (my program had multiple top tier/mid tier matches) - making this scenario less probable to me. It’s hard to say exactly what is going on, maybe this years DO psych class was particularly top heavy and pushed some MDs out.
A healthy mix of University programs in Cali and the Midwest.Definie top tier. Define mid tier.
A healthy mix of University programs in Cali and the Midwest.
To an extent, yeah.Top tier is subjective, as is mid tier.
A healthy mix of University programs in Cali and the Midwest.
If I wanted sugar coated advice like this about residencies I would ask my grandma. It’s ok to speak about things in an objective and relative way. People can handle it. You would think that because the Browns play in the NFL they would be a good football team by definition. You would be wrong.
Not really. Top-tier would be matching at a program in the UCSF caliber (I wouldn't put a lot of UCs at this level). Only 2 touro-ca grads have done this that I know of.
The whole tiers thing really subjective anyway.
If I wanted sugar coated advice like this about residencies I would ask my grandma. It’s ok to speak about things in an objective and relative way. People can handle it. You would think that because the Browns play in the NFL they would be a good football team by definition. You would be wrong.
True in that context.Goro’s comment is a more a reply to mine than general advice. I mentioned some of the classmates I’m happiest for are people who matched their #1-2 at what happens to be community programs closest to wherever home is for them. Subjectively, it’s a great match. I’m not trying to argue that these are objectively impressive matches and that anyone beside these individuals should be excited about it, but for them, it’s a great match.
One explanation of the increase in matches at top ACGME programs would be DOs who previously would have gone AOA neurosurgery or ortho are now going to ACGME due to decrease in those spots.
I think that will be the case in the future but I doubt that had any effect on this years match. For ortho, I know of only two programs that participated in the NMRP in addition to AOA match. Not sure about neurosurgery.Agreed. They are able to reach higher and not have their interviews split between two matches.
Why don’t you guys post one complete match list instead of cherry-picking the top 10 matches from your institution and then maybe we can see if DOs are now starting to outperform MD applicants.
Why don’t you guys post one complete match list instead of cherry-picking the top 10 matches from your institution and then maybe we can see if DOs are now starting to outperform MD applicants.
Incomplete list, but here are some for AZCOM
AZCOM also got Plastics at University of Washington
Anesthesiology
Vandy
UF
UT Houston
Rush
U Chicago
FM
UCLA Harbor
Psych
UC Davis
U Utah
IM
UT San Antonio
OHSU
UA - Phoenix
Peds
Phoenix Children's
USC
EM
UNLV
Wake Forest
Radiology
UMKC
Penn State
Opthalmology
U Buffalo
Plastic Surgery (Integrated)
U Tennessee
Diagnostic Radiology
Northwestern
BCM
Neurosurgery
MSU
I came here to see match lists and I saw nothing but hype about how DOs are getting more competitive which is why I said that. Standards are increasing uniformly and you’d have to look at a complete match list and compare it to an Allo one anyone can see that there is no change in the qualities between the two. I get none are released now which I think’s a bit strange, but if true, that’s not on any of you I guess. Also what’s up with this “incomplete list” business. An “incomplete list” would imply something like you stopped half way thru, not that people are literally only including good matches.
Wrong. People are saying they are becoming more competitive. You somehow interpreted that they are "outperforming MD's".I came here to see match lists and I saw nothing but hype about how DOs are getting more competitive which is why I said that. Standards are increasing uniformly and you’d have to look at a complete match list and compare it to an Allo one anyone can see that there is no change in the qualities between the two. I get none are released now which I think’s a bit strange, but if true, that’s not on any of you I guess. Also what’s up with this “incomplete list” business. An “incomplete list” would imply something like you stopped half way thru, not that people are literally only including good matches.
No one in their right mind would ever say DO’s are starting to outperform MDs. I think what the reality is, is that it does show that the top 1% of DO students are capable of hanging with the 'big dogs' (quote unquote). Honestly, these DOs are kids that probably fell through the cracks and would have been capable of succeeding regardless of wherever they are. It is really great to see that DO's are starting to match into such baller ACGME residencies (Integrated Plastics? Derm? Rad Onc? Orthopedic Surgery? Would have been inconceivable when I was going through school) but remember that they are the exception, not the rule, and to not expect to replicate their success (even if you were an MD, many of these specialties would be extremely difficult to get into.)
What I am trying to say is that they put in the work to remove any possible skepticism about their application. Probably DESTROYED the USMLE. Rotated at their respective programs and showed up to WORK, engaged and motivated, and answered any questions about their potential to hang with their MDs. They were probably very easy to get along with, cheerful and complained very little (if at all.) They probably have very compelling life stories/experiences that just DRAW people to them. Wouldn't be surprised if they're physically attractive as well. That's a recipe for success for ANYONE, doesn't matter if you're an MD/DO/FMG. Programs just want people they can stand on a personal level for four years, so in addition to being a rockstar so do your best to be likable without being annoying (don't have an ego, don't be defensive, take instruction and criticism well, don't give BS excuses, show up to work, don't be lazy, don't throw other people under the bus, don't talk ill of your school, your program, or anyone else in general.)
Unfortunately if you look at the average match list between an avg DO school and MD school, the disparity between the quality of the avg D.O. student's match and avg. M.D. student's match becomes very easy to see. I believe going forward into the future, any school that does NOT adequately prepare their students for the USMLE (or even encourage them to take the USMLE), will be setting their students up for failure, especially with the merger happening. I believe the sky is the limit for DOs if they put in the same work that are expected of their MD counterparts.
I came here to see match lists and I saw nothing but hype about how DOs are getting more competitive which is why I said that. Standards are increasing uniformly and you’d have to look at a complete match list and compare it to an Allo one anyone can see that there is no change in the qualities between the two. I get none are released now which I think’s a bit strange, but if true, that’s not on any of you I guess. Also what’s up with this “incomplete list” business. An “incomplete list” would imply something like you stopped half way thru, not that people are literally only including good matches.
Some LECOM highlights that I know of:
(I know very little about competitiveness of various programs so I'm going on what seems like big-names here, don't come after me)
Penn State - med/peds, IM, and pediatrics
Case Western - anesthesia
UConn - general surgery, IM
UMass Worcester - IM
Tufts - radiology
University of Minnesota - radiology
UPMC - radiology, pediatrics
Johns Hopkins - EM
Childrens Hospital of Michigan - peds
University of Florida Gainesville - IM
University of Florida Jacksonville - general surgery
Detroit Medical Center - urology
More importantly to me personally is that I know a lot of people got their first or second choice-- for many that was a community program wherever home is, and I'm happy for them even if it doesn't impress SDN.
TCOM (incomplete list)
Anesthesiology
UTMB
LSU Shreveport
MUSC South Charleston
UT San Antonio
Child Neurology
UT Austin/Dell Children's
Dermatology
Med City Weatherford (2) (new ACGME home program)
EM
JPS (3)
UTSW (2)
OU Tulsa (2)
UT Austin Dell Med
Baylor Houston
Texas A&M/Christus Spohn
Hannepin
LSU Shreveport
FM
JPS
lots more
Gen Surgery
Med City Fort Worth
UT San Antonio
U Minnesota
Sunrise Health Las Vegas
St. Anthony's
Inspira Med
Texas Tech U
Medicine
Dallas Methodist
Baylor Dallas
Cincinnati (2)
UTMB
UT Austin Dell Med (2)
UT Houston
UT San Antonio
Baylor S&W (2)
Cleveland Clinic
UMKC
lots more
Psych
JPS (3)
Baylor Houston
Tufts (triple board Peds/Adult Psych/Child Pysch)
LSU Shreveport
Oklahoma
Obstetrics/Gynecology
Baylor Houston
JPS
Texas Tech Permian Basin
Mercy Hospital Chicago
Opthalmology
U Arkansas (2)
U South Carolina
Orthopedics
UTMB Galveston
Texas Tech University
Midwestern University
St. Anthony's OKC (2)
Inspira Med Center
Peds
Baylor San Antonio (2)
Baylor Houston/Texas Children's
UT Houston
Dell Children's Austin
UMKC
LSU New Orleans
Case Western Rainbow
PM&R
Baylor Dallas
LSU New Orleans
Emory
Johns Hopkins
U Nebraska
UTSW (2)
UT San Antonio
Med College Wisconsin
Radiology - Diagnostic
Baylor Houston (2)
UTMB
Oklahoma
LSU New Orleans
Radiology - Diagnostic/Interventional (Integrated)
Baylor Houston
Urology
Drexel (former AOA program)
LSU New Orleans
ATSU-SOMA impressive matches that I know of so far:
Orthopedic surgery at LSU
Orthopedic surgery at Univ of Washington
Pm&r at Univ of Utah x2
Anesthesia at Univ of Utah (with surg prelim at harbor UCLA)
IM at U Mass
EM at Case Western
It's because us DO's are a family, and we're proud when one of our babies get into a competitive field/program.I kind of like being part of the D.O. group because everyone gets hyped when a D.O. has a good match into a competitive field
where did he go tho? I haven't seen him posting in a while 0.0The first matchlist thread without meat tornado reminding DOs that they’re garbage on average and should never feel good about themselves. I know it sounds sarcastic, but I’m kinda sad about this for real.