2018 Match List

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Dr.Bruh said:
I know a few KCU matches from the Facebook page.

Gen surg at University of Washington
Meds/peds at Tulane
Path at NYU

A ton of ACGME EM, IM, Gas.
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I thought UW was pretty tepid towards DOs. Maybe they’re warming up, or maybe it’s just EM...
 
There is an unofficial list for RVUCOM that has about 1/3 reporting so far. I'll post (with names removed) once we get a bit more participation.
 
Jinxapotato said:
where did he go tho? I haven't seen him posting in a while 0.0
TBH I feel there is some truth to his posts, despite them not sounding nice
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He had a goodbye thread. He’d been on since he was a premed and was about to start fellowship.
 
Does anyone know when the schools begin to release their match list for the year?
 
University of Washington must be thirsty for some osteopathy with their morning cup of activism and single sourced coffee lol. Ortho, plastics, Gen Surg, and EM and we only have a couple incomplete lists 🤣🤣🤣
 
DNC127 said:
University of Washington must be thirsty for some osteopathy with their morning cup of activism and single sourced coffee lol. Ortho, plastics, Gen Surg, and EM and we only have a couple incomplete lists 🤣🤣🤣
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Good grief, what is going on up there. I mean, I think it’s awesome, but what changed?
 
DNC127 said:
University of Washington must be thirsty for some osteopathy with their morning cup of activism and single sourced coffee lol. Ortho, plastics, Gen Surg, and EM and we only have a couple incomplete lists 🤣🤣🤣
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They usually have a couple DOs in their gas program as well, they might be right there with Mayo in terms of being open to the upper echelon of DOs
 
DNC127 said:
University of Washington must be thirsty for some osteopathy with their morning cup of activism and single sourced coffee lol. Ortho, plastics, Gen Surg, and EM and we only have a couple incomplete lists 🤣🤣🤣
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Which school is having a DO go UW EM? I haven't seen any- maybe I missed it.
 
SLC said:
Good grief, what is going on up there. I mean, I think it’s awesome, but what changed?
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I may be eating crow on this, because I thought the merger was going to basically destroy DO chances at the ROADS specialties. But if this year is any indication - the DO students who were opting out of the ACGME match in these specialties in favor of the safer AOA match may actually be better candidates than I originally thought. Like, way better.
 
River Rat said:
No one in their right mind would ever say DO’s are starting to outperform MDs. I think what the reality is, is that it does show that the top 1% of DO students are capable of hanging with the 'big dogs' (quote unquote). Honestly, these DOs are kids that probably fell through the cracks and would have been capable of succeeding regardless of wherever they are. It is really great to see that DO's are starting to match into such baller ACGME residencies (Integrated Plastics? Derm? Rad Onc? Orthopedic Surgery? Would have been inconceivable when I was going through school) but remember that they are the exception, not the rule, and to not expect to replicate their success (even if you were an MD, many of these specialties would be extremely difficult to get into.)

What I am trying to say is that they put in the work to remove any possible skepticism about their application. Probably DESTROYED the USMLE. Rotated at their respective programs and showed up to WORK, engaged and motivated, and answered any questions about their potential to hang with their MDs. They were probably very easy to get along with, cheerful and complained very little (if at all.) They probably have very compelling life stories/experiences that just DRAW people to them. Wouldn't be surprised if they're physically attractive as well. That's a recipe for success for ANYONE, doesn't matter if you're an MD/DO/FMG. Programs just want people they can stand on a personal level for four years, so in addition to being a rockstar so do your best to be likable without being annoying (don't have an ego, don't be defensive, take instruction and criticism well, don't give BS excuses, show up to work, don't be lazy, don't throw other people under the bus, don't talk ill of your school, your program, or anyone else in general.)

Unfortunately if you look at the average match list between an avg DO school and MD school, the disparity between the quality of the avg D.O. student's match and avg. M.D. student's match becomes very easy to see. I believe going forward into the future, any school that does NOT adequately prepare their students for the USMLE (or even encourage them to take the USMLE), will be setting their students up for failure, especially with the merger happening. I believe the sky is the limit for DOs if they put in the same work that are expected of their MD counterparts.
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When I was in med school, we had DO students match into ACGME integrated plastics and derm. This isn't new. It's the amount that's impressive.
 
IsWhat said:
I may be eating crow on this, because I thought the merger was going to basically destroy DO chances at the ROADS specialties. But if this year is any indication - the DO students who were opting out of the ACGME match in these specialties in favor of the safer AOA match may actually be better candidates than I originally thought. Like, way better.
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Is it possible that the DO stigma was never as big of a deal as we thought and DOs were just too prudent for their own good?
 
zero0 said:
Is it possible that the DO stigma was never as big of a deal as we thought and DOs were just too prudent for their own good?
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I guess we’ll find out in the coming years. The majority of DO students are taking the USMLE now, which is probably a major factor as well.
 
zero0 said:
Is it possible that the DO stigma was never as big of a deal as we thought and DOs were just too prudent for their own good?
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Probably a combination of both. DO stigma is real but probably exacerbated bc many of these programs just never saw or had many DO applicants.
 
Dr.Bruh said:
Probably a combination of both. DO stigma is real but probably exacerbated bc many of these programs just never saw or had many DO applicants.
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We like DO’s at my program; but I have heard PD day that sometimes their clinical training is an unknown. Sometimes they come out excellently trained, sometimes not so much.

Still, it’s not as though every MD graduates as a stellar residency applicant. Just that the evaluation of MD students is fairly uniform, or at least similar at most places. A side effect of having in-house residency programs that the students rotate in. At my school, we have a FM residency in the town I was doing rotations in (Portland OR), but I didn’t rotate with the residents there.
 
IsWhat said:
I may be eating crow on this, because I thought the merger was going to basically destroy DO chances at the ROADS specialties. But if this year is any indication - the DO students who were opting out of the ACGME match in these specialties in favor of the safer AOA match may actually be better candidates than I originally thought. Like, way better.
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As an aside, I keep reading about people getting shut out of the AOA match this year only to match ACGME instead. It’s making me wonder if the AOA having less residencies and more applicants than ever is now becoming, in a sense, more competitive.
 
zero0 said:
Is it possible that the DO stigma was never as big of a deal as we thought and DOs were just too prudent for their own good?
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No. The DO bias/stigma is definitely out there. It's just improving thanks to DO students realizing it's real.

Instatewaiter said:
Top tier- not psych
Mid tier- every other psych program
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There are quite a few top tier psych programs out there.
 
MADD!!! said:
UCLA Semel is definitely a top Psych program. A good chunk of the residents are MD-PhD’s, which should speak volumes to its competitiveness.
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I think you might have missed the joke
 
In my opinion, the biggest factor is that you can apply to your reaches and your safeties all in one match.

For example, if you want radiology and your core site is a former AOA hospital that has radiology, before many probably would have done the AOA match to snag a spot there, regardless of getting a few quality ACGME interviews— the likelihood of matching at home would have outweighed the risk of SOAPING or ultimately scrambling into something else. Now, if that program is ACGME, your backup is in the same match, and you don’t have to decide in advance between going big or going home.

Caveat: I went to some ACGME interviews but ultimately matched AOA at a community program I loved, so I really have no skin in this prestige-measuring game, this is pure speculation
 
Natural Killer Cell said:
It's definitely overblown. What pisses me off more on SDN though are the insecure, self-hating DOs who make it sound as if we're all dumb and helpless and can't compare to our MD colleagues. Well, I'm sure the bloke who matched Ortho at UW certainly didn't feel that way.
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DO bias is real and exists on a spectrum. As you get into more desirable programs and more competitive specialities it becomes more impactful. I would love to see the resume of the integrated plastics at UW. I’m sure it’s bonkers.
 
electrolight said:
I have no idea how DMU did as a whole but one of the 4th years I know matched anesthesia at Hopkins. Class of 2019 will be lit though, we have 15 students applying Ortho and everyone is 700+ 240+
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Our class had a lot of AOA ortho with some ent and plastics in addition to some impressive ACGME matches (including Hopkins gas). All info coming from Facebook, no official list yet.
 
electrolight said:
I have no idea how DMU did as a whole but one of the 4th years I know matched anesthesia at Hopkins. Class of 2019 will be lit though, we have 15 students applying Ortho and everyone is 700+ 240+
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DOs with steps in the 240s are probably not matching ACGME ortho. These ortho dudes should count their blessings that they will have the AOA match next year. I believe 2019 match will be the last separate match.
 
jw3600 said:
DOs with steps in the 240s are probably not matching ACGME ortho. These ortho dudes should count their blessings that they will have the AOA match next year. I believe 2019 match will be the last separate match.
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At that point it’s the rest of your app. I know for a fact that more than 3 of the “wow” DO matches of the last 2 years had under 250. I’m talking derm and surgical subs. The derm person barely broke 240. With 700+ they are in good shape to match a former AOA program as well as those programs still heavily use COMLEX.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
At that point it’s the rest of your app. I know for a fact that more than 3 of the “wow” DO matches of the last 2 years had under 250. I’m talking derm and surgical subs. The derm person barely broke 240. With 700+ they are in good shape to match a former AOA program as well as those programs still heavily use COMLEX.
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What derm program? I know MDs with scores in the 250s and otherwise strong apps that barely matched or didn’t match ortho. It’s pretty nuts out there. Which surgical sub?
 
I wonder if the 'quality' (I hate to measure someone's abilities by GPA/MCAT) creeping up in DO admissions also might have something to do with this? It looks like just about every year from 2013 on the % breakdown of MCAT ranges is shifting more towards low/mid 30's ranges. I doubt it's a huge factor, but perhaps it's contributing to these steadily-improving matches. I know when I was looking at DO schools back in ~2011 (college), the standards to get in were pretty low IMO. I applied this year with a ~3.5 / ~511 and didn't even get an interview at half of the schools I applied to, so I don't think it's a free pass into medical school like some people consider it to be.

I will say, though, as an incoming DO student this year, I'm pretty happy with how the match is continuing to look for DOs. I know it's easy to get excited about someone matching ortho surgery at a prestigious institution, but I'm just happy to see people matching average academic ACGME programs. I think it's easy on here to throw a pity party for DOs - we have all of the worst rotations, the worst matches, etc. Yet there are many MDs out there that would happily gain residency at the University of Kansas or whatever, and rotate through equally "low quality" clinical sites. It's good to acknowledge the steeper hill DOs face in medicine, but I personally think there's more parity between MD and DO than SDN perpetuates. Time will tell, I suppose.
 
kubyx said:
I wonder if the 'quality' (I hate to measure someone's abilities by GPA/MCAT) creeping up in DO admissions also might have something to do with this? It looks like just about every year from 2013 on the % breakdown of MCAT ranges is shifting more towards low/mid 30's ranges. I doubt it's a huge factor, but perhaps it's contributing to these steadily-improving matches. I know when I was looking at DO schools back in ~2011 (college), the standards to get in were pretty low IMO. I applied this year with a ~3.5 / ~511 and didn't even get an interview at half of the schools I applied to, so I don't think it's a free pass into medical school like some people consider it to be.

I will say, though, as an incoming DO student this year, I'm pretty happy with how the match is continuing to look for DOs. I know it's easy to get excited about someone matching ortho surgery at a prestigious institution, but I'm just happy to see people matching average academic ACGME programs. I think it's easy on here to throw a pity party for DOs - we have all of the worst rotations, the worst matches, etc. Yet there are many MDs out there that would happily gain residency at the University of Kansas or whatever, and rotate through equally "low quality" clinical sites. It's good to acknowledge the steeper hill DOs face in medicine, but I personally think there's more parity between MD and DO than SDN perpetuates. Time will tell, I suppose.
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I would say that the increasing admissions standards/averages are a HUGE factor, if not the single most important.

I wouldn’t apply this to individuals, but to the matriculating DO population? Hell yes.
 
jw3600 said:
What derm program? I know MDs with scores in the 250s and otherwise strong apps that barely matched or didn’t match ortho. It’s pretty nuts out there. Which surgical sub?
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The surgical subs aren't ortho, for a bit of anonymity for those individuals the subs are two of the following: CT surg, Neurosurgery, ENT, Plastics, vascular or urology. The derm program was an east coast program. You can PM me if you want more specific details. With ortho I've always had the opinion that the reason we don't see many DO matches in the ACGME is because there really is no reason for a great applicant risk a guaranteed spot at their AOA program of choice just for a program with better name recognition. Many of the AOA programs match pretty well into most fellowships so its mostly just for the name or if they are diehard into pursuing academics.

fldoctorgirl said:
On a side note, someone from Columbia matched into KCU's derm residency for some reason so...there's that.
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I laughed at that. I would be money that person received some snickers from his classmates. The rest of the derm matches are stellar and the KCU one sticks out like a sore thumb
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
The surgical subs aren't ortho, for a bit of anonymity for those individuals the subs are two of the following: CT surg, Neurosurgery, ENT, Plastics, vascular or urology. The derm program was an east coast program. You can PM me if you want more specific details. With ortho I've always had the opinion that the reason we don't see many DO matches in the ACGME is because there really is no reason for a great applicant risk a guaranteed spot at their AOA program of choice just for a program with better name recognition. Many of the AOA programs match pretty well into most fellowships so its mostly just for the name or if they are diehard into pursuing academics.



I laughed at that. I would be money that person received some snickers from his classmates. The rest of the derm matches are stellar and the KCU one sticks out like a sore thumb
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It was probably like his dad or someone in his family's program lol. I doubt otherwise they would have even known it existed haha
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
The surgical subs aren't ortho, for a bit of anonymity for those individuals the subs are two of the following: CT surg, Neurosurgery, ENT, Plastics, vascular or urology. The derm program was an east coast program. You can PM me if you want more specific details. With ortho I've always had the opinion that the reason we don't see many DO matches in the ACGME is because there really is no reason for a great applicant risk a guaranteed spot at their AOA program of choice just for a program with better name recognition. Many of the AOA programs match pretty well into most fellowships so its mostly just for the name or if they are diehard into pursuing academics.



I laughed at that. I would be money that person received some snickers from his classmates. The rest of the derm matches are stellar and the KCU one sticks out like a sore thumb
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Dude what kind of fulminant psychiatric malignancy would lead someone to mock a classmate for matching an ACGME Dermatology program just because it used to be AOA affiliated? That’s pathognomic for end-stage pretentiousness. Start on a double IO perspective drip, PRN ass-kicking, and a palliative care consult
 
WesternU had a stellar match list as well. I can't vouch for the match rate (I know it was bad in psych), but almost every other field was the most impressive I've seen it. Tons of ACGME EM--which was interesting. I'll post the incomplete without names soon.

My guess is the rate was either the same or less than it usually is. But the quality seemed higher--to me.
 
NotAMorningPerson said:
Noooooo! A faculty told my friend that everyone matched last week but another faculty just told me not everyone matched. Really sorry to hear that 🙁
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I don't believe anything my faculty tell me until I see proof in front of my face. I'd probably get a more accurate answer from a random classmate before any of my faculty, unless that classmate got their info from a faculty member...
 
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