2018 Match List

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Syncrohnize said:
Yes, I think that's a problem that could be holding that place back. Nothing against the students and this is out of their control, but its ridiculous to not have actual merit grades where it matters the most (M3). This is a tier 1 factor for residency selection in addition to USMLE exams for the ACGME world which you all are soon going to be living.

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Couple other things.

Read some of my posts that may have only been 1-2 months ago and cringed. I was being unprofessional/jerky...deleted 1-2 of them, a few others while strongly stated, had elements of truth.

I looked for good matches in my field (IM) as an MD and these were some DO schools I thought had solid IM match lists (in no particular order inside the categories). Keep in mind this is in context for DO schools. Take the lowest matching US-MD school and compare it to TCOM/PCOM and it's probably still better:

Excellent:
PCOM (UPMC-women’s track, BU, Temple, UMaryland//UMass, UConn, Drexel solid mix of upper and lower mid tiers...that Einstein is not Montefiore, but a community program named Einstein in Philly)
CCOM-suppose regional bias helps with those Chicago schools too.
RVUCOM (didn't expect this to be higher, they should change their name to Western COM)
TCOM (UTSW!!!!, Cleveland Clinic, Real Einstein, UIC, UTMB, outstanding!)...my apologies, completely missed that for the incorrect placement, TCOM.

Great:

NOVA-surprisingly good - nothing against the person who threw some shade at UF-Gainsville earlier but that is the Florida IM program, is legit, and deserves to be celebrated as a decent match).
KCU (Case, VCU, MCWx2, UTMB, OSU-Case/OSU/VCU are some v good matches, quite decent).
OHCOM

Good:
MSUCOM (CCF is solid, as is HFHx4, but there's literally nothing else and while HFH main is not affiliated with MSUCOM, it's right next door...perhaps EM sapped from IM, I know from personal experience they have lots of good students).
NYITCOM: (Monte, GWU, UMass, Stony Brook, Rutgers (RWJ and NJMS)

Other notes for IM:
-Just because a program has more DOs doesn't make it weaker. There are tons of midtier programs in states like OH, Il, Michigan, etc. that are significantly stronger than say Rutgers for example.
-There are a million Einstein's. The one to target is called Montefiore-Moses&Weiler
-Baylor University (community) =/= Baylor College of Medicine (the top one)
-CCF is an anomaly overall. Not deff not top 20, but solid and on the lower end of the 20-40 bracket as a solid midtier with great fellowship prospects.
-Non-official Mayos are not great.
-Pennsylvania Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania Health System =/= UPenn, think that got misinterpreted for a different specialty somewhere.
-Some good places you should aim for as DOs outside all midtier midwestern (MN-OH) university programs are UCSD, Utah, Colorado, UTSW, VCU, Georgetown, GWU, UF-Gainsville, and any others here that you like).
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I might be mistaken, but I don't think UMaryland has ever taken a DO for their IM program. Pretty impressive PCOM!
 
EmergDO said:
Sorry, I meant that the UTSW match, plus those other one; Monte, UTMB, UIC, etc are definitely from TouroCOM NY (so it was an out of state match). TCOM is the abbreviation for Texas COM so I was confused when you had put that down.
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No, they're from TCOM. Touro isn't putting people into UTSW.
 
You shall know the Truth said:
KCU’s official list.
http://cdn.agilitycms.com/kansas-city-university/Attachments/residency/Match_Data_2018.pdf
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Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, Torrance, FL

I thought that program was in California!




Palm Beach Consortium for GME, Loxahatchee, FL
Palm Beach Consortium for GME, West Palm Beach, FL

For peds, these are the same programs. Not sure why they use different cities for it, though Loxahatchee is a small town in the outskirt of West Palm Beach. Gotta find a way to criticize what is otherwise a decent match for KUC 😛
 
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You shall know the Truth said:
They did not get 100% this year, which is disconcerting as a student.
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True, and I am an incoming one so I share your worries. Still I'm impressed that they did 100% for 4 years straight, just hoping that its not a dismal number this year and that is why they are waiting on posting it.
 
You shall know the Truth said:
KCU’s official list.
http://cdn.agilitycms.com/kansas-city-university/Attachments/residency/Match_Data_2018.pdf
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Ty for posting, I saw this before but actually trust the list I compiled from our commencement book more as I personally confirmed some of the weird inconsistencies between the lists with my classmates during graduation week. Only correction from my list is the Baylor IM is at Round Rock, not the academic hospital.

W19 said:
Harbor-UCLA Medical Center, Torrance, FL

I thought that program was in California!




Palm Beach Consortium for GME, Loxahatchee, FL
Palm Beach Consortium for GME, West Palm Beach, FL

For peds, these are the same programs. Not sure why they use different cities for it, though Loxahatchee is a small town in the outskirt of West Palm Beach. Gotta find a way to criticize what is otherwise a decent match for KUC 😛
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Lol, it's definitely in Cali, that's a typo on the "official" list.

Dr.Bruh said:
85% matched either ACGME or Military this year. Noiiiccceee
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KCU has had a pretty high ACGME match rate the whole time I've been there. I think the lowest I saw during my 4 years was around 58-59%. Usually only about 1/3 of the class ends up at AOA programs. 85% is much higher than I thought (I wasn't about to figure out which FM and IM programs that I hadn't heard of were AOA vs. ACGME), but our past record with the ACGME match is part of why I've felt KCU will mostly be fine after the merger.

ohmanwaddup said:
annoying that KCU has not put percentages up
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Ever since the new administration took over in 2013/14 they've used really weird formats for the "official" match lists. Idk why, but it's really obnoxious and the old formats from before 2014 used to be way easier to look at and read.

You shall know the Truth said:
They did not get 100% this year, which is disconcerting as a student.
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We had 2 people who didn't place out of 240+. Idk one of them, but the other is 100% because they were a mediocre student and I'd expect did terrible on the interview trail as their English is pretty poor (not native to the US) and they applied only to psych (in which communication is essential). In the thread about the placement rate document I posted our rate, but it was something like a 99.2% placement rate. I would not be concerned about this at all if you're a current student.
 
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Guys when reading for medicine matches, make sure you’re looking for categorical matches and take note if they’re enrolled in a PC track too (some PC tracks encourage fellowship, others see it as against the core tenets of the track). In the post above, I used the info in the thread and now realize some of those of the matches are prelim/PC track matches and am too lazy to go back and figure out which ones exactly.
 
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EmergDO said:
Categorical surgery is a full surgical residency (5-7 years). Preliminary surgery is only an intern year, at which point you have to reapply to get a PGY-2+ position. Same for medicine.
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Thank you. Do you know where that term came from?
 
You shall know the Truth said:
Thank you. Do you know where that term came from?
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I don’t know or care about where the term came from, but it makes sense. To expand on the meaning, a preliminary resident is preliminarily hired for one year and in order to be on track to complete a 3yr (Internal Medicine) or 5yr (General Surgery), they have to reapply. In some cases, they are offered a position informally if someone else quits. Categorical, on the other hand, can be thought of as someone who has been categorized into a set track. That’s not to say, however, that prelim on a match list is a bad thing. The ROAD (Radiology, Ophthalmology, Anesthesiology, Dermatology) specialties as well as Neurology for example all require an “intern” year before you begin PGY-2 in the actual field with the idea being that some medical/surgery experience is valuable. For some, that year can be either a prelim year or a transitional year. The difference is that a preliminary year is usually non-elective and your experience is modeled based off what categorical would do whereas transitional year allowance you to pick your interests and many make them “cush”. Of course, if you do a TY, you better be fairly certain you’re matching the field you’re really going for because they don’t give you the credit of an intern year generally. Finally, regarding prelims, Medicine prelims vary, but surgical prelims are notorious for stringing people along. It is entirely possible for someone to do a prelim year, not get hired but offered another prelim year, and then even if they get an offer in their third year, they’re starting over at PGY-1. Also, at my home program prelims were given less desirable schedules and attendings.
 
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Bilbobaggins! said:
Bump for an ACOM list 🙂
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We were given the full list at graduation but it has not been posted to the website. It’s not bad, the expected number of FM and IM. Half dozen matches or more of peds and psych. 8 to 10 each of OB, gas and ER. 4 rads. 1 Derm.


I suspect ACOM has not publicly issued the list in hopes the 1 unmatched student gets something(?). Don’t know the overall caliber of the student but had a failure in levels during 3rd year I believe.
 
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LECOM recently had commencement, did anyone happen to get their list?
 
DocWinter said:
We were given the full list at graduation but it has not been posted to the website. It’s not bad, the expected number of FM and IM. Half dozen matches or more of peds and psych. 8 to 10 each of OB, gas and ER. 4 rads. 1 Derm.


I suspect ACOM has not publicly issued the list in hopes the 1 unmatched student gets something(?). Don’t know the overall caliber of the student but had a failure in levels during 3rd year I believe.
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Yeah I suspect the admin is holding out for that reason. But just to add on, I know of at least 3 who graduated and have yet to secure a residency/research spot, so not sure where ACOM got their 99% matched stat...
 
Anesthesiology at JH? I don't know much about programs yet but isn't that a rather competitive match?
 
I’m not really sure what to look for when determining a good vs. poor match list. With that, is the number of non-participants and number of traditional rotating alarming?
 
rg2o3 said:
I’m not really sure what to look for when determining a good vs. poor match list. With that, is the number of non-participants and number of traditional rotating alarming?
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Generally it's very difficult to derive factors about student bodies or performance from a match list. It's also difficult to know whether a TRI means someone failed to match or they're using it as a stepping block to a PGY-2 year specialty such as Anesthesia, PMR, or Neurology.
 
Drrrrrr. Celty said:
Generally it's very difficult to derive factors about student bodies or performance from a match list. It's also difficult to know whether a TRI means someone failed to match or they're using it as a stepping block to a PGY-2 year specialty such as Anesthesia, PMR, or Neurology.
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My question is when people only announce their prelim, does that mean they didn't match into residency? For example, there are people in my school that would only announce "Matched prelim in [insert city or hospital]". Is there a reason not to mention the rest of residency?
 
MADD!!! said:
Current Residents – Department of Otorhinolaryngology – Head & Neck Surgery

Whoop! There he is!!!! :O (Look at PGY-1)

Looks like for pubs he's had one case report in Neurosurg, so not even a research heavy background? No doubt this person scored a 260+ on Step 1.
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Eh maybe, but probably not. I know the apps of some of the other killer DO matches over the last few years and actually none of them had a 260+

And just because something isn’t in pubmed it doesn’t mean he didn’t have lots of research. That might me the only publication but abstracts and posters also count.
 
DNC127 said:
nah he has to know someone in the program. One dinky case report isn't going to cut it, I don't care if he has a 270
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The last author of that pub is an Emory trained ENT , ENT is a small field and it's likely he was able to make connections through him.
 
DNC127 said:
nah he has to know someone in the program. One dinky case report isn't going to cut it, I don't care if he has a 270
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AnatomyGrey12 said:
The last author of that pub is an Emory trained ENT , ENT is a small field and it's likely he was able to make connections through him.
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You guys think a connection alone is enough to cut it? Its an ivy league ENT residency. Probably had both.
 
MADD!!! said:
You guys think a connection alone is enough to cut it? Its an ivy league ENT residency. Probably had both.
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Ok for one, there is no such thing as “an Ivy League residency.” And two you clearly don’t know the power of a connection if you don’t think a connection alone wouldn’t be able to cut it. Who you know is far more important what what you know.

The guys was probably a great applicant, I’m still doubtful he had some mythical step score as I have yet to find a stellar DO match that had one. Usually these applicants look like an MD on paper and have made some sort of connection.
 
MADD!!! said:
Current Residents – Department of Otorhinolaryngology – Head & Neck Surgery

Whoop! There he is!!!! :O (Look at PGY-1)

Looks like for pubs he's had one case report in Neurosurg, so not even a research heavy background? No doubt this person scored a 260+ on Step 1.
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Don’t underestimate an interesting background and a great audition rotation. This guy was SDOY. He probably also blew theses guys away during an auditon. I was talking with a PD of a very prominent program which had never taken a DO. He mentioned that there was one DO who they tried to recruit last year just because of an amazing audition rotation. The student ended up going elsewhere but the point is that it’s not just about research. What’s on paper only gets you so far but you need to get noticed, especially as a DO. I’m sure this kid at Upenn had connections but let’s give him props for excelling in whatever he did.
 
Tozanzibarbymotorcar said:
The student ended up going elsewhere but the point is that it’s not just about research.
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No it’s not everything but I have yet to see a stellar DO match that didn’t have it.

You have to look the part on paper (this will mean drastically different things depending on the field) before the away rotation can give you that boost.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
Ok for one, there is no such thing as “an Ivy League residency.” And two you clearly don’t know the power of a connection if you don’t think a connection alone wouldn’t be able to cut it. Who you know is far more important what what you know.

The guys was probably a great applicant, I’m still doubtful he had some mythical step score as I have yet to find a stellar DO match that had one. Usually these applicants look like an MD on paper and have made some sort of connection.
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This. One of my 2018s had a really nice uber-match due mainly to connection. Well, and research. And a high Step I score. And great audition rotations.
 
Tozanzibarbymotorcar said:
Don’t underestimate an interesting background and a great audition rotation. This guy was SDOY. He probably also blew theses guys away during an auditon. I was talking with a PD of a very prominent program which had never taken a DO. He mentioned that there was one DO who they tried to recruit last year just because of an amazing audition rotation. The student ended up going elsewhere but the point is that it’s not just about research. What’s on paper only gets you so far but you need to get noticed, especially as a DO. I’m sure this kid at Upenn had connections but let’s give him props for excelling in whatever he did.
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Yeah I know a DO whomatched ACGME derm with a 240, solid research, but no connections to the program. He said he killed his audition and they loved him and told him they wanted him.
 
Tozanzibarbymotorcar said:
Don’t underestimate an interesting background and a great audition rotation. This guy was SDOY. He probably also blew theses guys away during an auditon. I was talking with a PD of a very prominent program which had never taken a DO. He mentioned that there was one DO who they tried to recruit last year just because of an amazing audition rotation. The student ended up going elsewhere but the point is that it’s not just about research. What’s on paper only gets you so far but you need to get noticed, especially as a DO. I’m sure this kid at Upenn had connections but let’s give him props for excelling in whatever he did.
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What specialty
 
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