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doubt itll help you honestly, but if you have what it takes on paper then you have a chance. There will definitely be some places that won't touch you but this is the life us DO peeps 'chose'
Well I guess what I’m asking is how much weight does a DO school’s name/reputation matter with residencies?
 

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Well I guess what I’m asking is how much weight does a DO school’s name/reputation matter with residencies?
Zero unless your PD is from the school or is in some other way connected.

But like I said new school is still not as good as established school. It’s an uphill battle because the established school is a known quantity of graduate at some places, while the new school could be real good or bad.

Work your hardest, put yourself in the best position possible, don’t worry about these things right now, and let things fall where they do.
 
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Well I guess what I’m asking is how much weight does a DO school’s name/reputation matter with residencies?
The only thing that matters to residencies is your ability to score high on step, not fail anything, rotate at reasonably decent places third year to become clinically competent, and have the opportunity to schedule early fourth year the way you need to in order to showcase your clinical competency
 

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The only thing that matters to residencies is your ability to score high on step, not fail anything, rotate at reasonably decent places third year to become clinically competent, and have the opportunity to schedule early fourth year the way you need to in order to showcase your clinical competency
If one's school is a known quantity to residencies, that's helpful to its grads. Med schools are feeders to residencies int he same way that UG schools are feeders to med schools.
 
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If one's school is a known quantity to residencies, that's helpful to its grads. Med schools are feeders to residencies int he same way that UG schools are feeders to med schools.
This is true to a point, especially within a region. Residencies with current and former residents from a given school, faculty from a school, rotating students, etc. None of this will ever make up for poor or failed boards, demonstrated poor clinical skills, etc. None of us go to Harvard Med school here and as a DO you are matching on your own accolades more so than MD counterparts for reasons I mentioned pages ago
 
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If one's school is a known quantity to residencies, that's helpful to its grads. Med schools are feeders to residencies int he same way that UG schools are feeders to med schools.
"Feeder programs", as you refer to them, are largely due to regional biases. Most programs match geographically, and those that do match impressively in a different region, are often rockstar students. If you remove the fact that stronger students are more likely to go to more established DO schools and score better on step 1 and match better, you're left with match lists that look about the same, save for regional biases.

You can't compare a TCOM student with a 650 on COMLEX and a LUCOM student who scored a 520. To tease out the facts, you need to compare students attempting to match to the same specialty, with the CV. As for MD programs, there is a school bias i.e. JHH will accept from a top 10 more than a low-tier MD school. This crazy bias doesn't exist in the DO world-- because the differences are so minute.
 
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"Feeder programs", as you refer to them, are largely due to regional biases. Most programs match geographically, and those that do match impressively in a different region, are often rockstar students. If you remove the fact that stronger students are more likely to go to more established DO schools and score better on step 1 and match better, you're left with match lists that look about the same, save for regional biases.

You can't compare a TCOM student with a 650 on COMLEX and a LUCOM student who scored a 520. To tease out the facts, you need to compare students attempting to match to the same specialty, with the CV. As for MD programs, there is a school bias i.e. JHH will accept from a top 10 more than a low-tier MD school. This crazy bias doesn't exist in the DO world-- because the differences are so minute.
This is why I am of the opinion geography matter a lot when decided on which DO school to attend. KCU exists in a state with 5 MD school and is essentially a feeder school just due to proximity and how long the school has been around. Half of KU meds EM residents this year are KCU grads (5/10). We share many of our rotations with the local MD schools. You’re not gunna have that with some of these DO schools in the middle of nowhere hours away from the nearest med school with a hospital.
 

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This is why I am of the opinion geography matter a lot when decided on which DO school to attend. KCU exists in a state with 5 MD school and is essentially a feeder school just due to proximity and how long the school has been around. Half of KU meds EM residents this year are KCU grads (5/10). We share many of our rotations with the local MD schools. You’re not gunna have that with some of these DO schools in the middle of nowhere hours away from the nearest med school with a hospital.
This is absolutely true. At MUCOM, 7 of our 14 anesthesia matches alone are going to IU.
 
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This is why I am of the opinion geography matter a lot when decided on which DO school to attend. KCU exists in a state with 5 MD school and is essentially a feeder school just due to proximity and how long the school has been around. Half of KU meds EM residents this year are KCU grads (5/10). We share many of our rotations with the local MD schools. You’re not gunna have that with some of these DO schools in the middle of nowhere hours away from the nearest med school with a hospital.
Exactly. Which is basically what I was saying. Geography and scores determine where grads end up more than the 'reputation' of their school.
 
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"Feeder programs", as you refer to them, are largely due to regional biases. Most programs match geographically, and those that do match impressively in a different region, are often rockstar students. If you remove the fact that stronger students are more likely to go to more established DO schools and score better on step 1 and match better, you're left with match lists that look about the same, save for regional biases.

You can't compare a TCOM student with a 650 on COMLEX and a LUCOM student who scored a 520. To tease out the facts, you need to compare students attempting to match to the same specialty, with the CV. As for MD programs, there is a school bias i.e. JHH will accept from a top 10 more than a low-tier MD school. This crazy bias doesn't exist in the DO world-- because the differences are so minute.
Feeder programs are just as real for MD schools as they are for DO.

And they are not always regional, as KCU grads, even if outliers, keep seeming to show. Ditto for my students.

I suspect that we may be talking past each other, but my point still holds for a school reputation, even if it is merely geographic in scope.
 

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Well I guess what I’m asking is how much weight does a DO school’s name/reputation matter with residencies?
It's hard to give an absolute answer here. There are thousands of ACGME PDs, each with their own style. For some it probably does not matter at all. For others, reputation or even a familiar school name from a previous resident in the program can make all the difference in choosing an applicant from the pile to interview. Which one is your program's PD? How about the guy who replaces him/her? I bet there is enough variation that everyone's opinion above is simultaneously true somewhere. The point is not to worry about this too much. It is not as generalizable as it is for MD applicants, and certainly not as much as say, having good board scores.
 
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Idk how good those places are for LUCOM but for a second class I don’t think it’s too bad! Maybe I’m wrong ha
 

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Idk how good those places are for LUCOM but for a second class I don’t think it’s too bad! Maybe I’m wrong ha
That's fewer TRIs than I would have expected from LUCOM but also we can't tell what their placement rate is.
 

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Can we give some major props to the 10 DO 4th years who matched IR this year??!!? That’s insane. IR had the toughest match in 2018 (last year only 3 of us matched) and no doubt many who were interested must have felt too discouraged to apply this year. congrats y’all!

1 LECOM: UMinnesota
1 ROWAN SOM: URochester
3 TCOM: Jackson Memorial Miami, UT Southewestern, Mayo Clinic Florida
4 Touro COM California: Christiana Care, Ohio State, URochester, Stony Brook
1 Western U COM: UMichigan

+ 1 NYCOM: ESIR Baylor College of Medicine, Houston
 

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Can we give some major props to the 10 DO 4th years who matched IR this year??!!? That’s insane. IR had the toughest match in 2018 (last year only 3 of us matched) and no doubt many who were interested must have felt too discouraged to apply this year. congrats y’all!

1 LECOM: UMinnesota
1 ROWAN SOM: URochester
3 TCOM: Jackson Memorial Miami, UT Southewestern, Mayo Clinic Florida
4 Touro COM California: Christiana Care, Ohio State, URochester, Stony Brook
1 Western U COM: UMichigan

+ 1 NYCOM: ESIR Baylor College of Medicine, Houston
I feel like I am so late to the party but TCOM is actually pretty impressive overall. I remembered being so impressed by one of their students when I auditioned with them. The school seems so solid and their match this year is another indicator. Props to them
 
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Can we give some major props to the 10 DO 4th years who matched IR this year??!!? That’s insane. IR had the toughest match in 2018 (last year only 3 of us matched) and no doubt many who were interested must have felt too discouraged to apply this year. congrats y’all!

1 LECOM: UMinnesota
1 ROWAN SOM: URochester
3 TCOM: Jackson Memorial Miami, UT Southewestern, Mayo Clinic Florida
4 Touro COM California: Christiana Care, Ohio State, URochester, Stony Brook
1 Western U COM: UMichigan

+ 1 NYCOM: ESIR Baylor College of Medicine, Houston
Local MD school had an IR conference/symposium this year and a few friends of mine went. There’s a DO IR resident there from KCU. Theyvas about being a DO and the PD basically said IR is a very small group of people and DO doesn’t matter as much as long as you’re making connections within the IR community.
 

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Can we give some major props to the 10 DO 4th years who matched IR this year??!!? That’s insane. IR had the toughest match in 2018 (last year only 3 of us matched) and no doubt many who were interested must have felt too discouraged to apply this year. congrats y’all!

1 LECOM: UMinnesota
1 ROWAN SOM: URochester
3 TCOM: Jackson Memorial Miami, UT Southewestern, Mayo Clinic Florida
4 Touro COM California: Christiana Care, Ohio State, URochester, Stony Brook
1 Western U COM: UMichigan

+ 1 NYCOM: ESIR Baylor College of Medicine, Houston
OSU had one at Baylor
 

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You actually aren’t guaranteed IR- you have to apply for independent IR programs (equivalent to a one year fellowship) later on in residency. Check out ESIR website below for more information:



lol. whats the difference? In the end they are 100% going to be IR docs.
 

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You actually aren’t guaranteed IR- you have to apply for independent IR programs (equivalent to a one year fellowship) later on in residency. Check out ESIR website below for more information:

What happens if you don't get into an IR fellowship? Can you still apply to other fellowships? Are you stuck for a year without a fellowship having to wait until the next cycle?
 

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The match rate for IR fellowship last year was basically 99%
Wait really? I was under the impression it was ultra-competitive. Is that only for ESIR?
 

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This is the old system where the “fellowship” was still a thing. With the implementation of the IR/DR system this is taking away historically “fellowship” positions, thus less spots will be available for ESIR candidates to apply into. That “99%” Match rate that you are referring is thus expected to drop substantially which is why ESIR at Baylor is not to be considered an IR match. These are still DR matches, not IR. Also, even if you do get one of the ESIR spots you are not required to apply IR following your DR residency. Many people realize the lifestyle and actual day to day job of a diagnostic radiologist is actually more what they were wanting and never end up applying IR. It’s the equivalent of everyone coming in as an MS1 wanting surgery and realizing what surgery really entails as a job and lifestyle...

Again, if you want more information regarding the new pathways I would really recommend checking out the ESIR website.


The match rate for IR fellowship last year was basically 99%
 

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The new DR/IR, ESIR, Independent Residency system is unnecessarily complex.

However for the sake of this conversation DR/IR >>> DR or ESIR spots in terms of competitiveness.

That being said, a DR match at Baylor is still damn impressive.
 

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59 matches into FM/IM/Peds
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1 urology
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1 ENT head neck surgery
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that kind of seems meh at first glance. is there a way to get the detailed version to see where they matched?
surprised there are no traditional rotating internships...
seems pretty low on specialties. 59 FM/IM/Peds, 37 other specialties (59 + 37 = class size of 96?)
 
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Seems better than CNU's list.
Is CNU an osteopathic school I'm unfamiliar with or is CNU, California Northstate University? Sorry not familiar with this school.
 

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that kind of seems meh at first glance. is there a way to get the detailed version to see where they matched?
surprised there are no traditional rotating internships...
seems pretty low on specialties. 59 FM/IM/Peds, 37 other specialties (59 + 37 = class size of 96?)
SOMA is a mission driven school if there ever was one. Most of my classmates started wanting FM, and finished by matching FM. A few switched to IM or Peds, a few ended up wanting specialties. But this list is a pretty normal breakdown for SOMA.

Plus, the proper way to interpret a match list requires knowing what specialty people wanted, and how high on their ROL they landed.
 

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that kind of seems meh at first glance. is there a way to get the detailed version to see where they matched?
surprised there are no traditional rotating internships...
seems pretty low on specialties. 59 FM/IM/Peds, 37 other specialties (59 + 37 = class size of 96?)
There were 3 TRI and 2-3 OMM residencies. I think there were 3 students that went unmatched. Not sure about those.
Don't forget SOMA does indeed have a mission to send its students to primary care, especially FM. They're very open about it.
 

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There were 3 TRI and 2-3 OMM residencies. I think there were 3 students that went unmatched. Not sure about those.
Don't forget SOMA does indeed have a mission to send its students to primary care, especially FM. They're very open about it.
Every single school has this mission.
 

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There were 3 TRI and 2-3 OMM residencies. I think there were 3 students that went unmatched. Not sure about those.
Don't forget SOMA does indeed have a mission to send its students to primary care, especially FM. They're very open about it.
SOMA is a mission driven school if there ever was one. Most of my classmates started wanting FM, and finished by matching FM. A few switched to IM or Peds, a few ended up wanting specialties. But this list is a pretty normal breakdown for SOMA.

Plus, the proper way to interpret a match list requires knowing what specialty people wanted, and how high on their ROL they landed.
Is there a lot of pressure from administration to go FM? Do they make it difficult to apply or rotate at other specialties? Based on the elective and selective options it seems like students would have freedom to try out other specialties. I'm an incoming SOMA student, and while I would love to do FM and would be happy with it, I am also very interested in a few other specialties as well. I said that in my interview as well.
 

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Is there a lot of pressure from administration to go FM? Do they make it difficult to apply or rotate at other specialties? Based on the elective and selective options it seems like students would have freedom to try out other specialties. I'm an incoming SOMA student, and while I would love to do FM and would be happy with it, I am also very interested in a few other specialties as well. I said that in my interview as well.
Every school with a 'mission' doesn't force you into anything. They just cater who they admit to the school to fit the type of physician they're wanting to create. Just go there and you do you. Nobodys gonna make you do anything
 

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Is there a lot of pressure from administration to go FM? Do they make it difficult to apply or rotate at other specialties? Based on the elective and selective options it seems like students would have freedom to try out other specialties. I'm an incoming SOMA student, and while I would love to do FM and would be happy with it, I am also very interested in a few other specialties as well. I said that in my interview as well.
No there’s no pressure, just a strong focus on primary care from the school in preclinical years, and a certain student recruiting strategy that tends to attract students with demonstrated interest in primary care.
 
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Every single school has this mission.
Yes, but SOMA’s charter is built specifically around generating primary care docs, specifically primary care docs for community health and underserved places. Their whole reason for being is based firmly in that.
 

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SOMA is a mission driven school if there ever was one. Most of my classmates started wanting FM, and finished by matching FM. A few switched to IM or Peds, a few ended up wanting specialties. But this list is a pretty normal breakdown for SOMA.

Plus, the proper way to interpret a match list requires knowing what specialty people wanted, and how high on their ROL they landed.
Bolded is 1000% correct, but the match list info is at a minimum, a very rough rule of thumb.
 

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Is there a lot of pressure from administration to go FM? Do they make it difficult to apply or rotate at other specialties? Based on the elective and selective options it seems like students would have freedom to try out other specialties. I'm an incoming SOMA student, and while I would love to do FM and would be happy with it, I am also very interested in a few other specialties as well. I said that in my interview as well.
Even at the most PC loving of DO schools, 40-50% of the graduates go into specialties.