2019 Match Results

[Dr.Bruh]

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Wait. WCUCOM matched 91 students from a starting class of 112? If all of the students placed that's an attrition rate of like 19%.

Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s not what attrition is right? Class of 112 with 91 finishing in 4 years only slightly higher than the MD 4 year graduation rate (86ish% last I checked). Some over those students will graduate in 5 or 6 years and match, some may have taken a year of for personal reasons/mental health/tragedy/ research or fellowships. None of those are counted as “attrition” bc they didn’t fail out. If you straight up get kicked out or leave and decide not to come back and don’t graduate at all then that it the true attrition rate. At least that’s what was explained to me by medical school admin people I’ve talked too.

 

[WoundupKnight]

Correct me if I’m wrong but that’s not what attrition is right? Class of 112 with 91 finishing in 4 years only slightly higher than the MD 4 year graduation rate (86ish% last I checked). Some over those students will graduate in 5 or 6 years and match, some may have taken a year of for personal reasons/mental health/tragedy/ research or fellowships. None of those are counted as “attrition” bc they didn’t fail out. If you straight up get kicked out or leave and decide not to come back and don’t graduate at all then that it the true attrition rate. At least that’s what was explained to me by medical school admin people I’ve talked too.

You are absolutely correct. It looks like 4 students were held back in OMS-1 and at least 2 from OMS-3 from class of 2019 so the overall attrition rate is probably closer to 10%.

 

[WoundupKnight]

92 people placed into a residency, 95 graduated, with 3 taking time off after graduation for personal reasons(one doing a research year, another doing an MBA etc). The class had 100-104 ish people starting NOT 112. The approved class size at wcucom is only 100. My class had 106 people starting with a few of those being repeats from the class above. So the overall 4 year graduation rate is 95/104ish = 91%. Some people out of the overall 104 may have taken a year off for various reasons and some prbly had to repeat a year. The overall attrition rate(getting kicked out) is prbly around 2-3%. For example my class has had just 2 people get kicked out after a year and few people are repeating the year. Overall for the past 4 years, WCUCOM has had from 88-96 people graduate each class, so the attrition rate is prbly on par for most DO schools.

Ah. I was going off: https://www.aacom.org/docs/default-...le-fall-enrollment-2016.pdf?sfvrsn=cd925097_6
Which has WCU at 108 new matriculates + 4 repeats.

 

[Ho0v-man]

Not that I’m complaining, but if wcu has 112 in its class, thats pretty small for a private DO school. Unless I’m misinterpreting the 112 number

 

[WoundupKnight]

Not that I’m complaining, but if wcu has 112 in its class, thats pretty small for a private DO school. Unless I’m misinterpreting the 112 number

I think they only take 100-110 students a year. The school mentions that they keep class sizes small to help focus on better educations for students.

 

[scoopdaboop]

So, a bit of a question. IDC about the 100 percent match rate, but the fact that KCU only had 42 percent to primary care? Quoted from that article:
Of the 235 KCU graduates, 100 or 42.98 percent entered primary care specialties. Other specialties included ophthalmology, plastic surgery, orthopedic surgery, psychiatry, dermatology, obstetrics and gynecology, and emergency medicine.

Their 2019 match list isn't out yet, but idk if they're leaving out peds or other fields when they count primary care.

This seems impressive for a DO school, no?


Link: Class of 2019 Achieves 100% Match

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

So, a bit of a question. IDC about the 100 percent match rate, but the fact that KCU only had 42 percent to primary care? Quoted from that article:
Of the 235 KCU graduates, 100 or 42.98 percent entered primary care specialties. Other specialties included ophthalmology, plastic surgery, orthopedic surgery, psychiatry, dermatology, obstetrics and gynecology, and emergency medicine.

Their 2019 match list isn't out yet, but idk if they're leaving out peds or other fields when they count primary care.

This seems impressive for a DO school, no?


Link: Class of 2019 Achieves 100% Match

Well it looks like they aren't including OB or psych as PC, when a lot of places include those..

 

[scoopdaboop]

Well it looks like they aren't including OB or psych as PC, when a lot of places include those..

oh alright, didn't know ob and psych was deemed pc.

 

[hallowmann]

Well it looks like they aren't including OB or psych as PC, when a lot of places include those..

Psych is not primary care, its a specialty.

I don’t really understand your question but most DO schools only have like 50-60% of their students entering “primary care”(FM, IM, peds). So this isn’t that far off. Obgyn and psych, EM etc are not primary care but some schools include those in primary care.

OB/Gyn is primary, they do primary care, just for women. EM is not primary care. The primary care specialties are IM (adult PC), Peds (child PC), OB/Gyn (women's primary care), and FM (cradle to grave PC). You're right in that different schools define primary care differently, but generally speaking FM, IM, OB/Gyn, and Peds.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Psych is not primary care, its a specialty.

My school, and state, consider psych to be primary care.

 

[drkube]

I don't think AZCOM is ever going to release the match list...

 

[NVO]

So, a bit of a question. IDC about the 100 percent match rate, but the fact that KCU only had 42 percent to primary care? Quoted from that article:
Of the 235 KCU graduates, 100 or 42.98 percent entered primary care specialties. Other specialties included ophthalmology, plastic surgery, orthopedic surgery, psychiatry, dermatology, obstetrics and gynecology, and emergency medicine.

Their 2019 match list isn't out yet, but idk if they're leaving out peds or other fields when they count primary care.

This seems impressive for a DO school, no?


Link: Class of 2019 Achieves 100% Match

I wonder if the school considers students that only matched into a TRI and nothing else. Do people generally consider that a successful match?

 

[DrStephenStrange]

I wonder if the school considers students that only matched into a TRI and nothing else. Do people generally consider that a successful match?

It depends on who we're talking about, their stats, and what they plan to do the next year. Some residency programs like Radiology, Derm, Neuro, Rad onc, ophto, Gas, require an internship year before starting. Usually people match into both (a TRI and a Categorical PGY2 program) the same year, but sometimes people don't, and basically they try to apply into a PGY2 in one of the programs mentioned above the next year. A TRI doesn't necessarily mean a bad match. Plus in most states you can establish a general practice with just a one year internship.

 

[hallowmann]

My school, and state, consider psych to be primary care.

Certain organizations use the term "primary care" to be any fields that are in demand or in shortage, but primary care involves the treatment of multiscope/chronic conditions. By definition they treat the general medical needs of specific populations. Essentially they are the first physicians you see, and you are referred out when specialists are needed. Psych doesn't fit that, but it is certainly in demand, which is why some states and organizations include it for the sake of scholarships or eligibility for certain benefits. It is a specialty though.

EM might from time to time treat general conditions typically treated by primary care, but that too is not the purpose of the EM physician, but rather a side effect of there not being sufficient primary care access. The goal of EM is treatment of the acute.

 

[WoundupKnight]

Aren’t TRIs considered the most relaxed base year to do?

 

[NVO]

Aren’t TRIs considered the most relaxed base year to do?

I think youre thinking of TYs (transitional year), which are more competitive to get into. The residents I worked with that were at a TRI got worked pretty hard.

It depends on who we're talking about, their stats, and what they plan to do the next year. Some residency programs like Radiology, Derm, Neuro, Rad onc, ophto, Gas, require an internship year before starting. Usually people match into both (a TRI and a Categorical PGY2 program) the same year, but sometimes people don't, and basically they try to apply into a PGY2 in one of the programs mentioned above the next year. A TRI doesn't necessarily mean a bad match. Plus in most states you can establish a general practice with just a one year internship.

I see. Thanks for clarifying. The residents I met were ones with multiple red flags that failed to match residencies like peds and FM so I just assumed it was one of those "dead-end" residency matches similar to how caribbean grads can get stuck doing malignant prelims over and over again.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Do people generally consider that a successful match?

Schools will report them as successful matches, but no they are not regarded as successful matches if you don't have a PGY-2 spot attached.

Plus in most states you can establish a general practice with just a one year internship.

This is a terrible outcome.

Certain organizations use the term "primary care" to be any fields that are in demand or in shortage, but primary care involves the treatment of multiscope/chronic conditions. By definition they treat the general medical needs of specific populations. Essentially they are the first physicians you see, and you are referred out when specialists are needed. Psych doesn't fit that, but it is certainly in demand, which is why some states and organizations include it for the sake of scholarships or eligibility for certain benefits. It is a specialty though.

EM might from time to time treat general conditions typically treated by primary care, but that too is not the purpose of the EM physician, but rather a side effect of there not being sufficient primary care access. The goal of EM is treatment of the acute.

Once again, my school considers it primary care as does the state. You can argue it all you want, it doesn't change how it's viewed here, even by the people in the field.

 

[DrStephenStrange]

This is a terrible outcome.

Tell this to Kylie Jenner's Dermatologist lol.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Tell this to Kylie Jenner's Dermatologist lol.

Exactly lol.

 

[SW0LDIER]

AZCOM 2019

Gen Surg
Sunrise Health
UI Mt Sinai Chicago
OK State

Ortho
Mayo - AZ

FM
HonorHealth
Brown
UF
UCSF - Fresno
Utah
Kaiser - Woodland Hills

IM
HonorHealth
UA - Tucson
Scripps
Virginia Mason
UNM
UTSA
UC Riverside
Abrazo

Gas
Virginia Mason
Cook county
UA - Tucson
OU
SUNY downstate
USC
UF

EM
Loyola
Rochester
Henry Ford
Maricopa
UNLV
LSU - New Orleans

Peds
Phoenix Children's
Emory

PM&R
Northwestern

DR
Baylor Scott & White

Neuro
Indiana
Baylor
Barrow

Derm
KCU

Path
Emory

This list is missing two more ortho spots: one at Southepoint/Cleveland Clinic and one at Community Memorial Hospital in Ventura, CA.

 

[kazill]

Does anyone have the PDF/file for NYITCOM match 2019?

Enjoy

 

[Postictal Raiden]

Where’s KCU’s list?

 

[deleted986861]

VCOM-Carolinas has a Neurosurg Mayo Clinic match (Jacksonville I believe)

True. We had some pretty impressive matches. My class is up next I expect some to do neuro surgery.

 

[Punydoc]

Where’s KCU’s list?

https://cdn.agilitycms.com/kansas-city-university/Attachments/residency/Match_Data_2019.pdf

They had an ophthalmology match as well (maybe 2) one of which was at Brown University.

 

[Postictal Raiden]

https://cdn.agilitycms.com/kansas-city-university/Attachments/residency/Match_Data_2019.pdf

They had an ophthalmology match as well (maybe 2) one of which was at Brown University.

The ophtho/plastic match at CCF is insane

 

[Dr.Bruh]

https://cdn.agilitycms.com/kansas-city-university/Attachments/residency/Match_Data_2019.pdf

They had an ophthalmology match as well (maybe 2) one of which was at Brown University.

Solid specialty matches. 10 ACGME/military gen surg (12 total), 2 acgme/military Ortho (8 total), acgme plastics, optho, and uro. Only 9% of the class did the AOA match so hopefully this is a good sign that KCU will do just fine post merger.

 

[OverlyRomantic]

Here is ACOM's Match List

 

[Kalam]

Does everyone at ACOM take step 1 and 2 for the most part ?

Probably 75% take Step 1. Also, color me shocked that ACOM had some great matches this year. 4 ortho, 1 Vascular Surgery, and an Ophthalmology. Pretty nice.

 

[kuzy]

Probably 75% take Step 1. Also, color me shocked that ACOM had some great matches this year. 4 ortho, 1 Vascular Surgery, and an Ophthalmology. Pretty nice.

That EM at Denver Health too

 

[Cath Up]

That EM at Denver Health too

Is that a first DO in that program? I assume this is the 2023 DO that is on their website, not the class of 2024.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Vascular surgery is most impressive. Optho deserves it but is connected.

That EM at Denver Health too

Personally I think the Denver Health EM match is the most impressive one on that list. That program might be the most competitive EM place in the country, at least of the top in terms of competitiveness.

 

[Cath Up]

bro, you're a fourth year medical student and can't add or subtract by 1 to answer your own timeline question? Don't ever put in orders for me in the ED...

Who hurt you?
I hope we have the chance to work together someday.

 

[Ho0v-man]

I notice that most schools seem to have only 2-5 neurology matches. Is this because DO students don't want to do neurology or is it hard to get the opportunity? Even some state programs like Ohio University only had two neuro matches.

It’s not a popular field.

 

[hallowmann]

It’s not a popular field.

This. Its not a bad field per se, but unless you love it most people aren't interested. I couldn't do it. As much as I find aspects of it super interesting, being that specialized kind of bothered me and honestly, I found it pretty depressing. I'm glad people do it though.

 

[Postictal Raiden]

Neurology is one of those fields that you truly need to have a "calling" for. No one wakes up one day and say "I think I want to do neuro". Most people are fascinated by its complexity but very few are willing to deal with its day-to-day grind. I've already mentioned some of the reasons that make it undesired (time consuming H&P, never ending undercooked consults, lack of objective diagnostic tools, vague chief complaints, high proportion of psychogenic to real organic presentations, big mismatch between patient's/family's expectations and what can be done, etc...).

On the other hand, there are aspects of the field that make it a great choice:
1. Early specialization. Don't need to do an entire residency before gambling on your chances of getting in (as the case in IM subspecialties)
2. Fellowships aren't necessary, and they are relatively easy to match into
3. Big reliance on basic medical science knowledge (cell bio, neuroscience, pharm). That's why the field attracts nerds
4. Very fertile ground for research and innovation. Even in epilepsy, one of the most straightforward and understood branches of neurology, the amount of unknown greatly outweighs how much we already know.
5. Your history and physical exam matter a lot. Specially in times when physical exam skills have atrophied and every other doctor dot phrases "rrr, ctab, ntnd, and CNII-XII intact b/l", the physical exam section of a neurologist's note is perhaps the most important part. In fact, most of the consults we get are because the consulting physicians unable/unwilling to spend the extra time/effort to listen and examine the patient. Not their fault. Can't expect a hospitalist who has to churn through 20+ patients to have each patient get up and examine their gait.
6. Tons of variety and you never see the same pathology presented twice.
7. Very robust job market. Getting a job in large cities is not an issue. As a PGY-2, I started getting offers.
8. Though not great, income is above average for nonsurgical nonprocedural fields.
9. Can choose to work exclusively inpatient or outpatient. Can do both simultaneously. Can work form home (teleneurology or intraoperative EEG monitoring).
10. Tons of respect and admiration from the general public.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

Neurology is one of those fields that you truly need to have a "calling" for. No one wakes up one day and say "I think I want to do neuro". Most people are fascinated by its complexity but very few are willing to deal with its day-to-day grind. I've already mentioned some of the reasons that make it undesired (time consuming H&P, never ending undercooked consults, lack of objective diagnostic tools, vague chief complaints, high proportion of psychogenic to real organic presentations, big mismatch between patient's/family's expectations and what can be done, etc...).

On the other hand, there are aspects of the field that make it a great choice:
1. Early specialization. Don't need to do an entire residency before gambling on your chances of getting in (as the case in IM subspecialties)
2. Fellowships aren't necessary, and they are relatively easy to match into
3. Big reliance on basic medical science knowledge (cell bio, neuroscience, pharm). That's why the field attracts nerds
4. Very fertile ground for research and innovation. Even in epilepsy, one of the most straightforward and understood branches of neurology, the amount of unknown greatly outweighs how much we already know.
5. Your history and physical exam matter a lot. Specially in times when physical exam skills have atrophied and every other doctor dot phrases "rrr, ctab, ntnd, and CNII-XII intact b/l", the physical exam section of a neurologist's note is perhaps the most important part. In fact, most of the consults we get are because the consulting physicians unable/unwilling to spend the extra time/effort to listen and examine the patient. Not their fault. Can't expect a hospitalist who has to churn through 20+ patients to have each patient get up and examine their gait.
6. Tons of variety and you never see the same pathology presented twice.
7. Very robust job market. Getting a job in large cities is not an issue. As a PGY-2, I started getting offers.
8. Though not great, income is above average for nonsurgical nonprocedural fields.
9. Can choose to work exclusively inpatient or outpatient. Can do both simultaneously. Can work form home (teleneurology or intraoperative EEG monitoring).
10. Tons of respect and admiration from the general public.

Excellent write up, and all these reasons are why I think Nuero will be the next field to see a competitiveness bump. It has too much going for it, and people who just want to do anything but primary care can't ignore it with the relative ease of matching right now.

 

[Postictal Raiden]

Excellent write up, and all these reasons are why I think Nuero will be the next field to see a competitiveness bump. It has too much going for it, and people who just want to do anything but primary care can't ignore it with the revelvent ease of matching right now.

I doubt the field will ever be competitive to match into, unless enough neurologists go into NIR and win the turf war against radiology and neurosurgery (like how cardiology did with radiology and CTS).

Neurology is not as chill as PMR or psych, not as sexy as EM, and not as lucrative as radiology and dermatology. Therefore, it'll continue struggling to attract competitive applicants who are not genuinely interested in the field.

 

[scoopdaboop]

I doubt the field will ever be competitive to match into, unless enough neurologists go into NIR and win the turf war against radiology and neurosurgery (like how cardiology did with radiology and CTS).

Neurology is not as chill as PMR or psych, not as sexy as EM, and not as lucrative as radiology and dermatology. Therefore, it'll continue struggling to attract competitive applicants who are not genuinely interested in the field.

Neurology locums is pretty lucrative.

 

[BorntobeDO?]

I doubt the field will ever be competitive to match into, unless enough neurologists go into NIR and win the turf war against radiology and neurosurgery (like how cardiology did with radiology and CTS).

Neurology is not as chill as PMR or psych, not as sexy as EM, and not as lucrative as radiology and dermatology. Therefore, it'll continue struggling to attract competitive applicants who are not genuinely interested in the field.

Outpatient Neuro isn't that bad for scheduling, and still pays around 300k. As long as you don't end up on some hospitals stroke call schedule I actually think it is one of the better fields lifestyle wise after residency. You could do something like outpatient only neuro and have no call if you wanted to, and its not like there are tons of neurologists out there.

I think people have ignored it for a long time cause 'brain lesion iz so hard and I hatez it!' But people used to do the same thing with Psych i.e. the 'Man I don't know how you work with all them crazy peoples I can't do it' to the new view: 'psych is chill brah, you just throw some SSRI's at the worried well and rake in the cash.' Viewpoints can change.

My point is, Neuro has a lot of upside IMO, and is a good field. Even the worst parts (i.e. all the tracks and lesions) is actually a good thing, cause you know for sure that midlevels aren't gonna learn that. They want easy and formulaic, which nuero isn't. I think it is one of the best protected fields outside of surgery in that regard.

 

[Neopolymath]

Outpatient Nuero isn't that bad for scheduling, and still pays around 300k. As long as you don't end up on some hospitals stroke call schedule I actually think it is one of the better fields lifestyle wise after residency. You could do something like outpatient only nuero and have no call if you wanted to, and its not like there are tons of neurologists out there.

I think people have ignored it for a long time cause 'brain lesion iz so hard and I hatez it!' But people used to do the same thing with Psych i.e. the 'Man I don't know how you work with all them crazy peoples I can't do it' to the new view: 'psych is chill brah, you just throw some SSRI's at the worried well and rake in the cash.' Viewpoints can change.

My point is, Nuero has a lot of upside IMO, and is a good field. Even the worst parts (i.e. all the tracks and lesions) is actually a good thing, cause you know for sure that midlevels aren't gonna learn that. They want easy and formulaic, which nuero isn't. I think it is one of the best protected fields outside of surgery in that regard.

but what about nEUro?

 

[BorntobeDO?]

but what about nEUro?

You troglodyte, you caught it before I edited.

Edit: although to be fair, I make spelling errors on SDN fairly regularly.

 

[Neopolymath]

You troglodyte, you caught it before I edited.

Edit: although to be fair, I make spelling errors on SDN fairly regularly.

Even after all these years underground, my vision is still intact 🙂

SDN is serious business, after all!

 

[lek243]

VCOM match list

Residency Match Locations | VCOM - The Edward Via College of Osteopathic Medicine

Select the column header to sort by location, specialty, type, city or state.

www.vcom.edu

 

[BorntobeDO?]

VCOM match list

Residency Match Locations | VCOM - The Edward Via College of Osteopathic Medicine

Select the column header to sort by location, specialty, type, city or state.

www.vcom.edu

This feels like a necro bump at this point. That is a really late list.

 

[Cranjis McBasketball]

VCOM Auburn's inaugural match right? Interesting..

 

[DrStephenStrange]

VCOM Auburn's inaugural match right? Interesting..

Auburn inaugural match list have 5 ortho, 1 plastic surgery, 1 DR, 9 GS, and plenty of University programs. Not bad.

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[AsparagusSoup]

Does anyone know any of the KCU people who matched ortho? I got accepted for next year and deciding if KCU is the right school for me

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

Does anyone know any of the KCU people who matched ortho? I got accepted for next year and deciding if KCU is the right school for me

Going to KCU in and of itself won’t help you match ortho. The only schools that provide any benefit to matching any one specific field are the ones with home programs.

 

[Chibucks15]

^ In addition to above, we have a ton of people who come in die hard ortho then magically change their minds once they have experience (and scores) back. Don't necessarily pick a school based on specialty choice because it will change many times

 

[scoopdaboop]

Does anyone know any of the KCU people who matched ortho? I got accepted for next year and deciding if KCU is the right school for me

if you look at kcu website of ortho residencies, the St. Luke's Des Peres Hospital is closing, but the St. Mary's one is still open. The first year residents, 2/3 of are KCU grads so that's neat. But, the rest of the PGY years, none of them are from KCU. So I have to concur with the above that it doesn't really matter where you go. If you go to KCU, it might be easier to get audition rotations, however.

Residency

Kansas City University of Medicine’s College of Osteopathic’s graduates are highly sought after and are historically successful in securing a residency Match.

www.kcumb.edu