Affirmative Action - Med School Admis.

[Zuras]

I can't even make sense of the last several seemingly pro-AA posts. Anyone help? Or should I just assume it's more of the same illogical banter devoid of any facts/proof?

I guess I should say I'm pro-AA, myself, just not on the grounds of skin color.

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[Touchdown]

All of you pro AAs please give me a single arguement that makes AA based on race more equal then an economic AA.

Restrictions:
1. Dont give me the "minorities prefer seeing doctors of their same race" crap, unless there is a language issue that is racism (for those of you who forget racism is the belief that a certain race is better then another race). If you still dont believe me, do my litmus test: if a single white heterosexual male tried to do a similar thing would it be considered racism (can also be substutied to sexism, lude, etc.) if it would then that act is racist (sexist/lude).

2. Dont bring up the slavery, my realtives were in France back then, anyone who is still downtrodden would still get AA, its the rich freeloaders that wont.

 

[nlyoung]

What is even more pathetic is that it is mainly rich kids trying to keep the poor down. Specifically, most of the failed losers on here arguing have had many opportunities in life, and have cheated and done everything to ensure their success… They have bought high GPA’s and MCAT scores paid for unique EC’s and now they cry when they don’t get into their number one choice… booo hoo cry me a river bit*ch lol….

WHAT??? I have never read a more ludicrous statement in my life! How is stereotyping "rich kids" going to help anything? So... in your opinion, am I supposed to feel GUILTY because I come from a wealthy background and my family has been able to provide for me? I am so sick of people looking at me and thinking, "well, her daddy probably knows someone...." when that has never been the case. I can garuntee you that I have put just as much effort into my future career as anyone, and how dare you belittle someone's efforts just because they may have had the financial means to facilitate a certain lifestyle. When I walk into interviews, none of these schools are going to know OR care who the "rich kids" are. And for that matter, EVERYONE has issues to overcome in their life, whether it be an unhappy family life, economic difficulties, or a lack of moral support. Don't look at someone with $$$ and assume that their life is perfect and void of any hardships. We are all adults here. There comes a time in your life when you have to go out into the world and stop focusing on what injustices you have had to endure. Life is hard for ALL of us in one aspect or another. Just as the less fortunate, "rich kids" were born into their environment.... stop trying to make yourself feel better by knocking others that you know nothing about. Just for the record... I'm not necessarity against AA. And frankly, it is our reality, right?.... why not just deal with it?

 

[Shredder]

WHAT??? I have never read a more ludicrous statement in my life! How is stereotyping "rich kids" going to help anything? So... in your opinion, am I supposed to feel GUILTY because I come from a wealthy background and my family has been able to provide for me? I am so sick of people looking at me and thinking, "well, her daddy probably knows someone...." when that has never been the case. I can garuntee you that I have put just as much effort into my future career as anyone, and how dare you belittle someone's efforts just because they may have had the financial means to facilitate a certain lifestyle. When I walk into interviews, none of these schools are going to know OR care who the "rich kids" are. And for that matter, EVERYONE has issues to overcome in their life, whether it be an unhappy family life, economic difficulties, or a lack of moral support. Don't look at someone with $$$ and assume that their life is perfect and void of any hardships. We are all adults here. There comes a time in your life when you have to go out into the world and stop focusing on what injustices you have had to endure. Life is hard for ALL of us in one aspect or another. Just as the less fortunate, "rich kids" were born into their environment.... stop trying to make yourself feel better by knocking others that you know nothing about. Just for the record... I'm not necessarity against AA. And frankly, it is our reality, right?.... why not just deal with it?

forget about visualwealth--time after time hes shown himself to be the most ludicrous person on this thread. nothing he says has any rhyme or reason to it, if its in fact coherent at all. its disturbing that theres not an ignore function for quotes.

 

[riceman04]

All of you pro AAs please give me a single arguement that makes AA based on race more equal then an economic AA.

Restrictions:
1. Dont give me the "minorities prefer seeing doctors of their same race" crap, unless there is a language issue that is racism (for those of you who forget racism is the belief that a certain race is better then another race). If you still dont believe me, do my litmus test: if a single white heterosexual male tried to do a similar thing would it be considered racism (can also be substutied to sexism, lude, etc.) if it would then that act is racist (sexist/lude).

2. Dont bring up the slavery, my realtives were in France back then, anyone who is still downtrodden would still get AA, its the rich freeloaders that wont.

The French................they are hated by everyone! ! Coward.....surrenduring in war (WWII) and not fighting.....what kind of crap is that

 

[riceman04]

riceman and alan dancing together?...that's hot.

Maybe you guys should start your own thread together called studs with buns.

Sorry son....not exactly whatcha think!! At rice many people from diff ethnicities participate in cultural events. Alan and I were in the same dance a couple times. But were NEVER danced 2gether. Sorry dawg....I dont roll like that!

 

[riceman04]

Whether your white or not, you used white for an example and the point still stands. Historical discrimination goes in the "effects of" category, so it is directly related to todays social issues and why these URM's are just that, URMs.

Its funny all the examples of contemporary racism that cant be denied that I mentioned before, are absent from ppls posts because they are undeniably true. Everyone knows they happen, everyone knows they can detrimentally alter blk ppls lives; but ofcourse, it doesnt matter. They are just mere blk ppl right? As long as everything is denied or taken from them, and everything is given to you, then everything is A OK. Its crazy how frustrated white ppl can become over one little inconvenience in life. That probably isnt effecting them as much as they think. You would change your tune if you could live in the shoes of a blk person for one day. But some of you on this board just refuse to accept the problems in this country and how they were created.

tru dat my brotha!

 

[mx_599]

“Racism- Any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment, or exercise, on equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural, or any other field of public life.”


"The real debate is, should race be considered as one of the factors?? The answer is yes!!"

"why don’t you use your energy to erase racism in society."


so which one is it?....it can't be both

please use the quote function...thanks

 

[riceman04]

Can I assume you are a democrat?

Newsflash: we live in a capitalistic society, not a socialistic paradise like Canada, France or Germany.

Welcome the real world

Hi real world!

 

[riceman04]

You have to be one of the stupidest people on this board.

You do realize that because of Bush's new appointee to the Supreme Court, affirmative actions will be removed in the US. The vote on affirmative action last year made AA upheld by 5-4, and of course, the women's lib O'Connor voted for AA. Now that the idiot has retired (thank G-d), we can now remove AA, which should have never been started in the first place.

Congratulations on being a *******

Wow someone is getting mad! Maybe you will settle down if daddy goes and buys you a porshe tomorrow.

Most likely to go on a rampage at the hospital and kill everyone when he fails his step III boards the second time around.................surgeon guy

 

[hhp]

Asian people are discriminated against too, as are all immigrants of any race.

AA is like giving poor/malnourished/disadvantaged athletes a chance to play in college/pro sports. You can assume that the rich/wealthy/advantaged kids probably had better training/camps that they attended or had a healthier lifestyle (the best food, good rest, good healthcare), where as other kids might not have had these experiences.

So why are slightly underqualified students who may or may not be underprivileged getting in over more qualified students who may or may not be more priviledged?

Racism will never be eliminated.

People in other countries have it worse than anyone living in the U.S. has it. So stop complaining and talking about how people haven't opened their eyes to the world or haven't struggled. If you're typing a response on a computer or reading this forum, your life is better than a lot of people.

Immigrants are willing to risk their lives to come to this country. But all the people here do is complain about wanting more rights more open doors. Consider all of the amenities and opportunities you do have.

People always have excuses. Stop complaining and just do your best. If you can really justify AA then tell me why there are cases where siblings from the same family of the same socioeconomic status lead such different lives. One sibling will site the harsh conditions s/he grew up in as motivation for him/her . The other sibling may claim that the harsh conditions negatively affected him/her. Excuses.

AA is a crutch. It is looked upon as a crutch too.

If AA is based on race, then it is not based on equality.

Who, if anyone can prove that AA works? Will it really give URM positive role models to follow? Does it really do anything to help certain races in the long run by changing society?

You are only hoping that AA will help. Otherwise you are merely being selfish and reaping temporary rewards.

Look at Dekalb county in GA. You will find that the public highschools are almost all majority african-american. But there is a discrepancy in avg grades and test scores between races. Don't these students all have similar upbringing/opportunities/resources?

You=pro-AA

 

[crazy_cavalier]

I only read the OP, because I'm sure this thread has had a fair deal of, well, *raging* opinions, but I only want to respond with one key point.

Regardless of race, sex, lifestyle, background, culture, religion, height, weight, shoe size, favorite breakfast cereal, or the order in which you dress yourself (i.e. socks first before pants, or shirt first, etc.), medical schools will NOT accept you if they think you can't handle the work. Period. No school seeks to admit students that they feel might fail in medical school.

That said, if you are accepted you are absolutely qualified, academically and intellectually, and the admissions committee has deemed you capable of handling the medical school workload. Affirmative action has no bearing on enhancing that particular aspect of an applicant, so any one who holds that terrible and ignorant opinion that "oh, so-and-so is not smart enough and only got in because he/she is black / yellow / orange / blue / indigo" is simply wrong.

alright, well continue with the thread as I am sure there will be many people trying to voice their own beliefs and ideas, though in the end this topic is so muddled that no single post on here can address the issue fully.

 

[riceman04]

Asian people are discriminated against too, as are all immigrants of any race.

AA is like giving poor/malnourished/disadvantaged athletes a chance to play in college/pro sports. You can assume that the rich/wealthy/advantaged kids probably had better training/camps that they attended or had a healthier lifestyle (the best food, good rest, good healthcare), where as other kids might not have had these experiences.

So why are slightly underqualified students who may or may not be underprivileged getting in over more qualified students who may or may not be more priviledged?

Racism will never be eliminated.

People in other countries have it worse than anyone living in the U.S. has it. So stop complaining and talking about how people haven't opened their eyes to the world or haven't struggled. If you're typing a response on a computer or reading this forum, your life is better than a lot of people.

Immigrants are willing to risk their lives to come to this country. But all the people here do is complain about wanting more rights more open doors. Consider all of the amenities and opportunities you do have.

People always have excuses. Stop complaining and just do your best. If you can really justify AA then tell me why there are cases where siblings from the same family of the same socioeconomic status lead such different lives. One sibling will site the harsh conditions s/he grew up in as motivation for him/her . The other sibling may claim that the harsh conditions negatively affected him/her. Excuses.

AA is a crutch. It is looked upon as a crutch too.

If AA is based on race, then it is not based on equality.

Who, if anyone can prove that AA works? Will it really give URM positive role models to follow? Does it really do anything to help certain races in the long run by changing society?

You are only hoping that AA will help. Otherwise you are merely being selfish and reaping temporary rewards.

Look at Dekalb county in GA. You will find that the public highschools are almost all majority african-american. But there is a discrepancy in avg grades and test scores between races. Don't these students all have similar upbringing/opportunities/resources?

You=pro-AA

That's nice...but we are talking about the situation in america. Let other countries deal with their problems and let us deal with ours. There is no need for comparison.

What I would like to see is some diversity in the types of jobs immigrants (asians in particular) try to attain.

 

[visualwealth]

WHAT??? I have never read a more ludicrous statement in my life! How is stereotyping "rich kids" going to help anything? So... in your opinion, am I supposed to feel GUILTY because I come from a wealthy background and my family has been able to provide for me? I am so sick of people looking at me and thinking, "well, her daddy probably knows someone...." when that has never been the case. I can garuntee you that I have put just as much effort into my future career as anyone, and how dare you belittle someone's efforts just because they may have had the financial means to facilitate a certain lifestyle. When I walk into interviews, none of these schools are going to know OR care who the "rich kids" are. And for that matter, EVERYONE has issues to overcome in their life, whether it be an unhappy family life, economic difficulties, or a lack of moral support. Don't look at someone with $$$ and assume that their life is perfect and void of any hardships. We are all adults here. There comes a time in your life when you have to go out into the world and stop focusing on what injustices you have had to endure. Life is hard for ALL of us in one aspect or another. Just as the less fortunate, "rich kids" were born into their environment.... stop trying to make yourself feel better by knocking others that you know nothing about. Just for the record... I'm not necessarity against AA. And frankly, it is our reality, right?.... why not just deal with it?

ummm I'm rich too and I know it makes a big difference... I know my GPA would not be as great if i had other crap to think and worry about!!! Keep in mind that I am not pro-AA b/c I think it will give me a great boost... Rather, I am pro-AA b/c it is the right thing!

 

[Psycho Doctor]

1. Dont give me the "minorities prefer seeing doctors of their same race" crap, unless there is a language issue that is racism (for those of you who forget racism is the belief that a certain race is better then another race). If you still dont believe me, do my litmus test: if a single white heterosexual male tried to do a similar thing would it be considered racism (can also be substutied to sexism, lude, etc.) if it would then that act is racist (sexist/lude).

i already said this and no one cared

 

[Psycho Doctor]

forget about visualwealth--time after time hes shown himself to be the most ludicrous person on this thread. nothing he says has any rhyme or reason to it, if its in fact coherent at all. its disturbing that theres not an ignore function for quotes.

yea, i came to that same conclusion on page 1

 

[pagemmapants]

ummm I'm rich too and I know it makes a big difference... I know my GPA would not be as great if i had other crap to think and worry about!!! Keep in mind that I am not pro-AA b/c I think it will give me a great boost... Rather, I am pro-AA b/c it is the right thing!

So you're a rich black man and you're STILL arguing for AA because it'll give you that "extra" boost you just might need.

Slick.

 

[visualwealth]

So you're a rich black man and you're STILL arguing for AA because it'll give you that "extra" boost you just might need.

Slick.

Did you even read my post lol

 

[Shredder]

So you're a rich black man and you're STILL arguing for AA because it'll give you that "extra" boost you just might need.

Slick.

hes a rich black guy, and he says hes republican, but he still wants his aa to help him get a leg up, this guy is great.

can anyone tell me why there isnt AA for white and asian people in the NBA? come on, look at the representation compared to the US population, i demand more accurate diversity! little asian and indian boys need to have some hope of achieving their hoop dreams! they endure enough bullying and getting picked last for teams (discrimination, stated explicitly), without NBA AA they will all give up and have to pursue real jobs!

 

[pagemmapants]

What about underweight people?! They're a HUGE minority and are underrepresented in medicine!

 

[Psycho Doctor]

hes a rich black guy, and he says hes republican, but he still wants his aa to help him get a leg up, this guy is great.

can anyone tell me why there isnt AA for white and asian people in the NBA? come on, look at the representation compared to the US population, i demand more accurate diversity! little asian and indian boys need to have some hope of achieving their hoop dreams! they endure enough bullying and getting picked last for teams (discrimination, stated explicitly), without NBA AA they will all give up and have to pursue real jobs!

haha you and i think alike on this. I posted the same question on an AA debate on a different board last year.

 

[Psycho Doctor]

What about underweight people?! They're a HUGE minority and are underrepresented in medicine!

yea, you can say that about so many groups: homosexuals, fundamental Christians, Amish, even fascists. The list goes on.....

 

[visualwealth]

hes a rich black guy, and he says hes republican, but he still wants his aa to help him get a leg up, this guy is great.

can anyone tell me why there isnt AA for white and asian people in the NBA? come on, look at the representation compared to the US population, i demand more accurate diversity! little asian and indian boys need to have some hope of achieving their hoop dreams! they endure enough bullying and getting picked last for teams (discrimination, stated explicitly), without NBA AA they will all give up and have to pursue real jobs!

I never said I want AA to give me a leg up lol. I said AA is the right thing...

The NBA is totally different from medicine thus, what you are saying is stupid... But, the NBA actively recruits centers that are very talented...That is, if you are a center and you can play with your back to the basket they will be willing to take you over a guard who is very talented at his position...

 

[riceman04]

I never said I want AA to give me a leg up lol. I said AA is the right thing...

The NBA is totally different from medicine thus, what you are saying is stupid... But, the NBA actively recruits centers that are very talented...That is, if you are a center and you can play with your back to the basket they will be willing to take you over a guard who is very talented at his position...

He's just mad b/c you will never see someone from his ethnicity playing any sports in this country. Cricket......maybe......basketball, hell no!

 

[IkeBoy18]

hes a rich black guy, and he says hes republican, but he still wants his aa to help him get a leg up, this guy is great.

can anyone tell me why there isnt AA for white and asian people in the NBA? come on, look at the representation compared to the US population, i demand more accurate diversity! little asian and indian boys need to have some hope of achieving their hoop dreams! they endure enough bullying and getting picked last for teams (discrimination, stated explicitly), without NBA AA they will all give up and have to pursue real jobs!

What race is usually the CEO of fortune 500 companies? white. What race encompasses most of the execs of those companies? almost all white. What races are represented by the senate? almost all white. What race owns most of the sports franchises? mostly all white. What race is represented in the offices of these franches? almost all white. What races are represented on TV? almost all white. asians really lack in this category as well. What races are represented in coaching of D1 schools? What races are represented in any coaching position? white..almost all white..mostly white white white and white again. Not just mostly white but all of these examples have white populations that far surprass their representation in the country. So tell me again why is it that white ppl need AA for the NBA?

 

[Mr PluM]

all you sdn nerd premeds are illiterate when it comes to political and social issues---it makes me sick to my stomach.....

white man had aa for 500 years in the us

black man and white women had it for 30 years

and stupid white man gets mad

and middle class asians and indians are white man's modern slaves and they are mad tooo

and the native indians, well ,they are all basically dead.








all this illogical childish rhetoric you all speak is very enlightening, it makes sense though when you look at the medical system, a whole bunch of sheep and dummies being pimped by the pharms, you got to be a dum dum, when business air head dummies are telling you real dummies(doctors) what to do doesn't get any worse than this.... a decline of a naition for sure.

blatant ignorance

 

[Chrissy]

signing that "blatant ignorance" was all too appropriate.


"white man had aa for 500 years in the us"

wow. It is obvious that you don't even know what the AA policy is in the US. Look it up before you pretend to argue.

"black man and white women had it for 30 years"

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah. That's why this thread started. It's about that. Welcome to the debate.

"and stupid white man gets mad"

I white man. I have brain no. I no reed. I no right. Bill Cosby is a genius.

"and middle class asians and indians are white man's modern slaves and they are mad tooo"

........and i'm dumber..

"and the native indians, well ,they are all basically dead."

wow.

wow.

not EVEN AA could help you.

A decline of a nation. Well, we agree on something.

 

[Hercules022]

Quit trying to use semantics in a very very very straight forward issue… AA is here to stay! There are very smart people (adcoms) who have decided that indeed, diversity is necessary.

AA is only "here to stay" until it comes before the Supreme Court again (hopefully within 5 years or so) and Roberts joins with the other conservs to strike it down. If by some chance another liberal-leanng judge retires while Bush is still President, all the universities that use AA might as well stop now and save themselves the trouble later. But if racial AA gets shot down, maybe med schools could start AA for people who slacked off on studying for their MCAT. As someone who tends to procrastinate, I feel that I am at a disadvantage against you more studious people who had been studying for several months before the exam. I think I deserve... 2.... no, 3.... extra points on my MCAT.

 

[redclover]

Is there AA for residencies?

 

[IkeBoy18]

signing that "blatant ignorance" was all too appropriate.


"white man had aa for 500 years in the us"

wow. It is obvious that you don't even know what the AA policy is in the US. Look it up before you pretend to argue.

"black man and white women had it for 30 years"

ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yeah. That's why this thread started. It's about that. Welcome to the debate.

"and stupid white man gets mad"

I white man. I have brain no. I no reed. I no right. Bill Cosby is a genius.

"and middle class asians and indians are white man's modern slaves and they are mad tooo"

........and i'm dumber..

"and the native indians, well ,they are all basically dead."

wow.

wow.

not EVEN AA could help you.

A decline of a nation. Well, we agree on something.

What he probably meant by the 500 yrs thing is that white ppl have had no restrictions and basically have had the advantage of being white for a long time; and they still do. I also cant stand it when ppl say that AA breeds racism. Racism has been here; look at the history of this country and all the trends I spoke of before. Minorities have always been at the bottom, always treated like crap, always have been 2nd rate citizens. But now, since a couple of three blk students get into med school, thats when white ppl experience a very minute taste of puffcream, softcore racism. The only time they dont have the advantage for once. Which they still do have the advantage, seeing that not many blk students are getting in into med school anyway, let alone under AA, similar to every other facet in life when white ppl have the advantage and sheer numbers. So its not that AA breeds racism, AA just puts white ppl on the other side of whats been going on and still going on for years, and they dont like it. Its crazy, they can dish it out with the most brutality, but cant take a fraction of it in the most isolated of arenas.

 

[visualwealth]

What he probably meant by the 500 yrs thing is that white ppl have had no restrictions and basically have had the advantage of being white for a long time; and they still do. I also cant stand it when ppl say that AA breeds racism. Racism has been here; look at the history of this country and all the trends I spoke of before. Minorities have always been at the bottom, always treated like crap, always have been 2nd rate citizens. But now, since a couple of three blk students get into med school, thats when white ppl experience a very minute taste of puffcream, softcore racism. The only time they dont have the advantage for once. Which they still do seeing that not many blk students are getting in into med school anyway, let alone under AA, unlike in every other facet in life when white ppl have the advantage and sheer numbers. So its not that AA breeds racism, AA just puts white ppl on the other side of whats been going on and still going on for years, and they dont like it. Its crazy, they can dish it out with the most brutality, but cant take a fraction of it in the most isolated of arenas.

You are by far one of the most intelligent people on this thread!!

All these cry babies that can't take others having a slight disadvantage!! Imagine the disadvantage of being a slave and then having to start from scratch...Or working your whole life for some small brained southerner and getting paid zero. Imagine being really intelligent but going to the worst schools and, though you do well there you are still way behind your peers…

All your whining and bitc*hing about being “fair”… why don’t we start being fair by fixing the neighborhoods most minorities live in… Or giving them a “fair” chance to make it… It is really easy to make it when mommy and daddy can plan a straight and easy educational plan for you…

I look at my education and see and the advantages of having parents that had money. I also look at all the racism and discrimination I faced even though I was just as rich as the next guy… Then, I wonder how someone can face both poverty and discrimination and still make it…

 

[jbm44]

Sorry son....not exactly whatcha think!! At rice many people from diff ethnicities participate in cultural events. Alan and I were in the same dance a couple times. But were NEVER danced 2gether. Sorry dawg....I dont roll like that!

You missed the sarcasm in the post, but I was just playing anyways. No offense intended for either side of the closet door.

 

[Touchdown]

Once again I fail to see how AA based on race is superior to one based on economics. Visual Wealth all of those people in the "downtrodden rotten areas where no one can have a good education" will still get AA, those minorities in the suberburbs will not. It also elimates the feeling of racism that we "rich spoiled white folk" have towards it. Hate to tell you but AA is going to be economic in a few years, 90% of the people I talk to (thats white and minorities believe it or not there are quite a few in my area) agree that it is the way to go.

Can anyone give me a good arguement why this should not be the case other then the "minorities prefer doctors of their own race" arguement (which is along the same line of reasoning that has lead to the london bombings by the way)? Anyone?

Bueller? Bueller?

 

[visualwealth]

Once again I fail to see how AA based on race is superior to one based on economics. Visual Wealth all of those people in the "downtrodden rotten areas where no one can have a good education" will still get AA, those minorities in the suberburbs will not. It also elimates the feeling of racism that we "rich spoiled white folk" have towards it. Hate to tell you but AA is going to be economic in a few years, 90% of the people I talk to (thats white and minorities believe it or not there are quite a few in my area) agree that it is the way to go.

Can anyone give me a good arguement why this should not be the case other then the "minorities prefer doctors of their own race" arguement (which is along the same line of reasoning that has lead to the london bombings by the way)? Anyone?

Bueller? Bueller?

Here is something...

Changing the status of AA to one based on economics will not make admission to med school different from what it is now...

Most of the rich minorities I know have at least a decent chance to get into some medical school and, some are on pace to get into the best medical schools. So there is no reason to change anything.. The current process considers other factors and people of all races benefit from it...


what pisses me off is when I hear random stories(sadly never to my face) about a minority that got admitted to blah blah medical school with blah blah stats... but, no one talks about the whites sneaking in with blah blah stats... IF you are going to be aganist AA be against considering other factors(1 billion EC's in Africa)... If you are not then you are racist...

 

[Braveheart]

I am african american and I believe in myself and God. I believe that life is rough for everyone some more then others. Life is like King of the Mountain and just so happen is that mostly Caucasian are king of the mountain in the US. Everyone else have to work their ARSE off to get to the top. I see Affirmative Action as a Caucasian giving a rope to me and I will refuse that assistance because I want to earn my way to the top. Consequently there are lots of injustice from White against African American. However, there are even more that hurts the most from our own race. We all are climbing the mountain of life trying to get on top of whatever path we choose but there are people that look like me that is putting me down and kicking me down. However, I dont let that deter me and I keep persisting. African Americans are powerful but we have to learn to work together. Until then we are mere victims of other race and our own race.

Yes its terrible about slavery and what they did to us. But we need to stop being victims of our past. In this world, nobody owes anybody anything. Caucasian dont know anybody anything. Its a plain survival of the fittest and the strong will survive over the weak and the wise will rule the strong. thanks for listening to my philosophy.

 

[riceman04]

You missed the sarcasm in the post, but I was just playing anyways. No offense intended for either side of the closet door.

oh!!!

my bad!!

 

[Psycho Doctor]

All these cry babies that can't take others having a slight disadvantage!! Imagine the disadvantage of being a slave and then having to start from scratch...Or working your whole life for some small brained southerner and getting paid zero.

oh? and you experienced being a slave or working your whole life for some small brained southerner and getting paid zero??? aren't you a little old to be applying to med school? actually aren't you a little old to be alive???

 

[shahalam]

HAH. I love how these people supporting AA use the argument - you have no idea what it was like to be a slave. NEWS FLASH people - you dont either or wont ever have to. Please come up with a better argument for your pro-racism ideas.

 

[Psycho Doctor]

HAH. I love how these people supporting AA use the argument - you have no idea what it was like to be a slave. NEWS FLASH people - you dont either or wont ever have to. Please come up with a better argument for your pro-racism ideas.

hahah yea, exactly my point

 

[riceman04]

HAH. I love how these people supporting AA use the argument - you have no idea what it was like to be a slave. NEWS FLASH people - you dont either or wont ever have to. Please come up with a better argument for your pro-racism ideas.

I support it but I never said that statement you made above.

 

[MoosePilot]

An overwhelming majority of blacks in this country are of mixed races. So exactly what "part" of blacks would you recommend sending back to Africa?

What part would you recommend giving an advantage to in medical school admissions?

I'm not for sending anyone anywhere. I think we need to work on being colorblind at this point, not on reverse discrimination.

 

[IkeBoy18]

HAH. I love how these people supporting AA use the argument - you have no idea what it was like to be a slave. NEWS FLASH people - you dont either or wont ever have to. Please come up with a better argument for your pro-racism ideas.

I find it quite interesting that ppl continuously pick on ppl they feel have no point. Bantering about the same old things, and trying to belittle the same ppl. I have offered innumerous amounts of reasoning and they have all been politely swept under the rug along with everything else that never happend in history; or happens at all. Dont rebut them rebut me.

 

[Zuras]

I find it quite interesting that ppl continuously pick on ppl they feel have no point. Bantering about the same old things, and trying to belittle the same ppl. I have offered innumerous amounts of reasoning and they have all been politely swept under the rug along with everything else that never happend in history; or happens at all. Dont rebut them rebut me.

Just because you say something, it does not mean it's valid or true. I've read through the entirety of this post, and haven't seen anything out of you that wasn't baseless, racist nonsense.

 

[doubtflyer]

very interesting thread...i've been wrestling with this issue for a while now, particularly in the context of med school admissions. obviously, there's a whole lot of crying and anger about the notion of taking precious spots away from those who merit them and giving them to less qualified applicants based on skin color. the fact is, if you look at just the data in msar, even with aa in place, there are still disproportionately fewer blacks and hispanics in med school. as an asian, yes i find there are generally higher standards in place, but asians are still disproportionately overrepresented. so basically, aa has created this widespread perception that minorities who are underqualified are flooding med schools and shutting out whites and asians, which is simply untrue. however, this perception fuels resentment and creates even deeper polarization. in the minds of many, it has planted or reinforced the idea that blacks and hispanics are simply not smart enough, and need this artificial boost. so that's what aa has proudly accomplished. to me, aa is severely flawed on a fundamental level, and solves absolutely nothing. whites and asians do not get shafted to the degree they think they do, a handful of URMs get into med school; what's the trade-off? firmly rooted hostility and too many steps backward.

anyone ever read "harrison bergeron" by kurt vonnegut? it definitely makes you think...

 

[IkeBoy18]

Just because you say something, it does not mean it's valid or true. I've read through the entirety of this post, and haven't seen anything out of you that wasn't baseless, racist nonsense.

Ok great. So tell what was the racist nonsense part? Anytime I mention something it is a fact. Now I may offer my opinion on the facts, but the facts still remain. So please explain to me, where the baseless, racist part was? 2nd, obviously the posts cant be described by any such adjectives, seeing that ppl get crucified here for saying something even remotely percieved as racist and baseless.

 

[Touchdown]

Changing the status of AA to one based on economics will not make admission to med school different from what it is now

No it wont, and I know this (I know someone against AA thats not complaining about spots being "taken away from them.") However, I believe that the system in place is unfair and gives some people in the same situation an extra advantage while denying it to others. I recognize that I have had a more privlaged childhood then some, am thankful for it and realize that some people had to work harder to get where I am and deserve and extra push.

What really pisses me off is when rich minorites spout off about slavery while at the same time loafing around, not trying, knowing they will get AA all the while acting superior and blaming me for an agression done to them (again not by any of my realitives) 150 years ago!

Yes these people are in the minority but they are quite vocal and only inforce racial sterotypes, it is this scum who should be cut off from AA; I have no problem with giving poor intercity kids AA.

 

[visualwealth]

oh? and you experienced being a slave or working your whole life for some small brained southerner and getting paid zero??? aren't you a little old to be applying to med school? actually aren't you a little old to be alive???

for someone who has been accepted to all the top schools you are a disgrace!!! Did you even read my whole post??? I doubt it... let me break it down for you... LIFE IS NOT FAIR... That was the whole point of my post...

PS

My reference to slavery was made inorder to impart the idea that some african-americans have been poor since slavery ended... That is, the continuous cylce of poverty induced by slavery has been hard to break... Thus, even though someone may not be a slave they could very well still be suffering the consequences of it!

 

[MoosePilot]

for someone who has been accepted to all the top schools you are a disgrace!!! Did you even read my whole post??? I doubt it... let me break it down for you... LIFE IS NOT FAIR... That was the whole point of my post...

PS

My reference to slavery was made inorder to impart the idea that some african-americans have been poor since slavery ended... That is, the continuous cylce of poverty induced by slavery has been hard to break... Thus, even though someone may not be a slave they could very well still be suffering the consequences of it!

Oh, this is so disagreeable!

Because PD has been accepted into the top schools (because he's got great stats) he should toe the party line? BS!! Homogeneity of ideas is a huge problem in higher education today. Diversity is fawned over, but it's the diversity where everyone needs to be part of the "culture" dictated by their color and not who they want to be. Who cares what your genetics are? Be who you want to be. Think what you want to think. Say what you want to say. Intellectual freedom is a wonderful ideal that allows ideas to be tested and argued and refined. You want PD to just vomit forth what you already think? Then how do you strengthen your ideas? How do you build on your arguments?

I think this should stay courteous, but other than that simple limit, I think free flow of ideas if vital!!

 

[knight12]

Every race has been oppressed at one time or another in the history of mankind. You can't dwell on things that have happened so far in the past. I don't understand how immigrants who come here with nothing and can't speak English manage to work hard and be successful, yet black people still complain about slavery and injustice. Every minority is hated on to an extent. Do you think "white" people love Indians or Asians? No. What about those hard working Mexicans? They work their asses off for little pay. Their work ethic is astounding.

I don't consider myself a racist person at all, but when black people continuously blame racism and oppression for the reason that they're poor or unsuccessful just pisses me off. Obviously, I'm not speaking about the race as a whole, but everywhere I look there are so many excuses.

 

[IkeBoy18]

Every race has been oppressed at one time or another in the history of mankind. You can't dwell on things that have happened so far in the past.

No your right, you cant; but, its not the past its the present as well. So its ok to continue to be racist but its not ok to identify it as a problem?

I don't understand how immigrants who come here with nothing and can't speak English manage to work hard and be successful, yet black people still complain about slavery and injustice.

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Whether you know it or not, immigrants, especially todays immigrants, usually dont come from very humble backgrounds. Or they come from a society like India or Germany where you have to pass tests to go on to higher education, as in middle and hs. (which there are a limited # of spots) If you dont, you are left to do menial work. Thats why the Indians who usually come here are very smart. Nevermind the <55% literacy rate there. So these immigrants usually dont come from a place where they were the dirt, mistreated or oppressed, let alone be cut off from their culture and stripped of pride and dignity. (note-there may be ppl like this in their home country, but they usually arent the ones coming over here) These immigrants are usually in a position like the white man is here. (in their home country)

Every minority is hated on to an extent. Do you think "white" people love Indians or Asians? No. What about those hard working Mexicans? They work their asses off for little pay. Their work ethic is astounding.

Yes every minority has had their issues, but none compare to that of the Am. Ind. and black ppl here and you and everyone else knows it. Another thing your forgetting here, is that blk ppl worked for hundreds of years in this country, not "for little play" but no pay, ever. Once again, this doesnt matter to you Im pretty sure. Also, not to step on any toes, but many of these Mexicans you speak of voluntarily came here, some not legally. Ofcourse they would do what they can to make it. Just like most immigrants. Obviously, as I said before, the "reverse discrimination" that you all speak of admits a couple of three blk students to med school. Thats it. And it gets you all heated. But you downplay instances as slavery, discrimination and oppression where millions more innocent ppl have died than in the holocaust. You get so mad over AA, but the countless things that happend and are happening to minorities, thats ok??

I don't consider myself a racist person at all, but when black people continuously blame racism and oppression for the reason that they're poor or unsuccessful just pisses me off. Obviously, I'm not speaking about the race as a whole, but everywhere I look there are so many excuses.

What you dont understand is the overall effects of racism and slavery. It took white ppl all these years of free reign to make it to their current state. I guess blk ppl have to be hundreds of times better than white ppl to have to make up the whole time, and reach parity, just over a hundred years; with all the obstacles in between. Blk ppl had to start from scratch, no education, no equality, no help from anyone else (atleast not after 1877). this is nothing more than creating a problem, being mad when the problem exists, and then denying creating the problem.