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So, I must say the idea of owning a street legal automobile with over 1,000 HP is very enticing. Yes, Tesla and Lucid already make such cars today but the other auto manufacturers are catching up.

In just a few years 600HP could be the new "norm" for sports cars in the USA. I want reliability with my cars so I hope Honda, Lexus, BMW, etc all produce high HP electric vehicles. Currently, their lineup of all electric for 2023 looks anemic which means they still have a lot of work to do. In particular, Lexus looks really disappointing to me as their electric motors are like E-bikes vs Tesla. I always thought the big boys would catch up with Musk rather quickly but I was wrong. His lead in electric auto engineering is still years ahead of theirs.
 
BLADEMDA said:
So, I must say the idea of owning a street legal automobile with over 1,000 HP is very enticing. Yes, Tesla and Lucid already make such cars today but the other auto manufacturers are catching up.

In just a few years 600HP could be the new "norm" for sports cars in the USA. I want reliability with my cars so I hope Honda, Lexus, BMW, etc all produce high HP electric vehicles. Currently, their lineup of all electric for 2023 looks anemic which means they still have a lot of work to do. In particular, Lexus looks really disappointing to me as their electric motors are like E-bikes vs Tesla. I always thought the big boys would catch up with Musk rather quickly but I was wrong. His lead in electric auto engineering is still years ahead of theirs.
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Yeah that's what happens when you get billions in government subsidies
 
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Aren’t most electric cars heavier than their gasoline counterpart? It will be interesting to see if the safety technology is able to keep up with cars potentially becoming more lethal (F=ma) with heavier cars that can accelerate as quickly as they can. It actually makes me a bit wary to see some of these Ford F-150 drivers who treat their truck like a Porsche potentially get an electric pickup.
 
GravelRider said:
Aren’t most electric cars heavier than their gasoline counterpart? It will be interesting to see if the safety technology is able to keep up with cars potentially becoming more lethal (F=ma) with heavier cars that can accelerate as quickly as they can. It actually makes me a bit wary to see some of these Ford F-150 drivers who treat their truck like a Porsche potentially get an electric pickup.
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The battery in the Hummer EV is 2923 lbs. alone, total weight is 9063 lbs., 0-60 claimed to be 3 seconds. Affluenza car crash deaths are going to go up for sure.
 
BLADEMDA said:
So, I must say the idea of owning a street legal automobile with over 1,000 HP is very enticing. Yes, Tesla and Lucid already make such cars today but the other auto manufacturers are catching up.

In just a few years 600HP could be the new "norm" for sports cars in the USA. I want reliability with my cars so I hope Honda, Lexus, BMW, etc all produce high HP electric vehicles. Currently, their lineup of all electric for 2023 looks anemic which means they still have a lot of work to do. In particular, Lexus looks really disappointing to me as their electric motors are like E-bikes vs Tesla. I always thought the big boys would catch up with Musk rather quickly but I was wrong. His lead in electric auto engineering is still years ahead of theirs.
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It really stinks that I love gas guzzling SUVs so much and the Model Y doesn't do it for me. I think BMW and Mercedes will come out with pretty decent electric in the coming years especially if the country continues to aggressively become less oil dependent. If I'm not mistaken, I do believe they want to ban gas cars in the cities by 2030 so I think the German companies will start to make some attractive electric cars.
 
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Twiggidy said:
I really stinks that I love gas guzzling SUVs so much and the Model Y doesn't do it for me. I think BMW and Mercedes will come out with pretty decent electric in the coming years especially if the country continues to aggressively become less oil dependent. If I'm not mistaken, I do believe they want to ban gas cars in the cities by 2030 so I think the German companies will start to make some attractive electric cars.
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CA, the 10th largest auto market in the world, will supposedly ban ICE cars by 2035. We’ll see how that works out. I love screaming high revving sports cars….the sounds and the tactile sensations more important than speed.
 
BLADEMDA said:
So, I must say the idea of owning a street legal automobile with over 1,000 HP is very enticing. Yes, Tesla and Lucid already make such cars today but the other auto manufacturers are catching up.

In just a few years 600HP could be the new "norm" for sports cars in the USA. I want reliability with my cars so I hope Honda, Lexus, BMW, etc all produce high HP electric vehicles. Currently, their lineup of all electric for 2023 looks anemic which means they still have a lot of work to do. In particular, Lexus looks really disappointing to me as their electric motors are like E-bikes vs Tesla. I always thought the big boys would catch up with Musk rather quickly but I was wrong. His lead in electric auto engineering is still years ahead of theirs.
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Bmw i4 m50 has 536 hp and is available now.

GassYous said:
Yeah that's what happens when you get billions in government subsidies
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Ford made 18 billion last year. Toyota 21 billion. Realistically EVs weren’t a priority until 2 years ago (when Tesla stock blew up, and they started selling larger volumes). Tesla got the same subsidies as anyone else would which isn’t much compared to annual profit for major auto companies.

While everyone has said competition is coming for seemingly a decade, I do believe specifically the new Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 show the gap is closing. Both of those vehicles actually charge substantially faster than Tesla for example.

Most importantly in the last year Tesla hiked prices about 10,000 dollars, sometimes 15,000, and I don’t personally understand the appeal at current prices. Used to be 5k more than a camry with nice speakers/seats etc. Now it’s 15k more (47k starting). Friends with teslas have had quality issues I wouldn’t tolerate on a Toyota, but they seem happy to spend 60k regardless. For now at least tesla seem to sell as many as they can make and probably will continue to do so until car shortage ends.
 
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Who wants a Kia at a similar price to Tesla?????
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That’s a fair take, and it’s definitely a lot for a Kia. But it’s still a lot cheaper than a Tesla. A model Y performance (most analogous trim, still less powerful at 450 hp vs 576 hp) is 68k, and doesn’t qualify for the 7.5k rebate the Kia qualifies for. So it’s 15k less. And the Tesla model Y still doesn’t have mid-tier staples like ventilated seats….or even a gauge cluster.

Expect around 80k for a luxury performance electric SUV with the electric macan, next year.
 
There’s a new sheriff in town… and its the Korean brand. Don’t underestimate the likes of hyundai, kia, and genesis- they are poaching german and japanese luxury brand execs and engineers, and putting out amazing cars.
 
narcotics999 said:
Who wants a Kia at a similar price to Tesla?????
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The price of a Tesla is in it's battery and tech, not its looks (interior or exterior), overall quality of build and materials. Some people think that for a Model Y, you get a 40K vehicle on a 25K battery pack.
 
Lecithin5 said:
There’s a new sheriff in town… and its the Korean brand. Don’t underestimate the likes of hyundai, kia, and genesis- they are poaching german and japanese luxury brand execs and engineers, and putting out amazing cars.
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But we live in the era of the ‘gram. Selfies don’t look as sweet with a Hyundai in the background instead of a Tesla or BMW.
 
Twiggidy said:
It really stinks that I love gas guzzling SUVs so much and the Model Y doesn't do it for me. I think BMW and Mercedes will come out with pretty decent electric in the coming years especially if the country continues to aggressively become less oil dependent. If I'm not mistaken, I do believe they want to ban gas cars in the cities by 2030 so I think the German companies will start to make some attractive electric cars.
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How about the model x?
 
The newer cars haven't been tested en masse in the winter, range etc. Let's see how they fare. Porsche costs like three times as much as tesla with less range.
 
Heist said:
The newer cars haven't been tested en masse in the winter, range etc. Let's see how they fare. Porsche costs like three times as much as tesla with less range.
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Agree. Specwise, Taycan is underwhelming. Definitely not a Tesla killer.
 
The new BMW iXM60 will cost around $110K-$115K. I like the current generation of IC engine BMWs over their electric vehicles. With the $30K savings I can buy a lot of gasoline.

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Munich's flagship electric SUV is a quantum leap in automotive engineering, if you’re happy with it taking the form of a 2500kg SUV
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BLADEMDA said:
The new BMW iXM60 will cost around $110K-$115K. I like the current generation of IC engine BMWs over their electric vehicles. With the $30K savings I can buy a lot of gasoline.

BMW iX 2025 review – schooling the Tesla Model X on innovation | Evo

Munich's flagship electric SUV is a quantum leap in automotive engineering, if you’re happy with it taking the form of a 2500kg SUV
www.evo.co.uk www.evo.co.uk
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Exactly

I don't see the appeal of these new electric SUVs in a world where a lightly used X5 with the M trimmings and 50K miles is in the ballpark of $50K.

That new car smell has always been expensive.

Even at $5/gal that $30K saved would get you 150,000 miles of driving.
 
pgg said:
Exactly

I don't see the appeal of these new electric SUVs in a world where a lightly used X5 with the M trimmings and 50K miles is in the ballpark of $50K.

That new car smell has always been expensive.

Even at $5/gal that $30K saved would get you 150,000 miles of driving.
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It's such a time saver tho not having to do maintenance or stop at gas stations.. I plug in my car to a regular wall outlet just like you do your phone. And its charged up !
 
I am going to consider my Rivian Truck a partial luxury sports car.

None of these new luxury electric vehicles make much financial sense. Early adopters are usually richer people who can "waste" some money on the newer technologies. Eventually this extra money will fuel technology and supplies making these things affordable for mass production.
 
Heist said:
It's such a time saver tho not having to do maintenance or stop at gas stations.. I plug in my car to a regular wall outlet just like you do your phone. And its charged up !
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on the other hand I spend about 5 minutes at a gas station every 3 weeks and don't have to spend 30 seconds each day plugging it in when I go home. So the time is probably net neutral.
 
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Ezekiel2517 said:
None of these companies will “kill Tesla” until they can compete with their supercharger network
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I don’t have an EV but would like to get one next time I need a car.

Do other countries have free or cheap state-sponsored charging stations? It would seem to me that, if the US is serious about going full EV, we should probably provide the charging network to back it up. As long as we are relying on proprietary charging networks it’s going to be hard to get rid of IC engines.
 
ambiturner said:
I don’t have an EV but would like to get one next time I need a car.

Do other countries have free or cheap state-sponsored charging stations? It would seem to me that, if the US is serious about going full EV, we should probably provide the charging network to back it up. As long as we are relying on proprietary charging networks it’s going to be hard to get rid of IC engines.
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I will likely be a late adopter when public charging infrastructure is more robust
 
I will drive IC engine cars for the next several years. But, I assume Lexus and others will force me to buy an EV in 2-3 years if I want to buy their latest model car/SUV.

I hope that other manufacturers continue to make IC engine cars for the next decade in the USA so the consumer has a choice in our country.
 
BLADEMDA said:
www.caranddriver.com

2024 Ford Mustang Mach-E Review, Pricing, and Specs

The Ford Mustang Mach-E is a Mustang in name only, but it is a first-rate electric SUV, a solid Tesla competitor—and its high-performance version is quick.
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Very high ratings from Car and Driver
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I love mine 😁

I do think people will get themselves into trouble with these electric cars. I have my car set up so my husband's profile defaults to the most conservative driving mode because he isn't used to the acceleration compared to a normal car.

Interestingly in my area several of the power companies have free charging if you go to their customer service buildings. I guess they are trying to convince more people to get EVs so they make more money long term 🤷
 
Mman said:
on the other hand I spend about 5 minutes at a gas station every 3 weeks and don't have to spend 30 seconds each day plugging it in when I go home. So the time is probably net neutral.
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It takes you 30 seconds to plug in your phone too? And don't forget maintainence in your car too. Oil changes, spark plugs etc. And pulling into the gas station and pulling out.
 
Impromptu said:
I am going to consider my Rivian Truck a partial luxury sports car.

None of these new luxury electric vehicles make much financial sense. Early adopters are usually richer people who can "waste" some money on the newer technologies. Eventually this extra money will fuel technology and supplies making these things affordable for mass production.
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Let us know when you get it. Mass production is very hard.
 
Heist said:
It takes you 30 seconds to plug in your phone too? And don't forget maintainence in your car too. Oil changes, spark plugs etc. And pulling into the gas station and pulling out.
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Pulling in and out of the gas station at the hours I work is not a time consuming procedure. How long does it take to plug in a car? 20 seconds? Certainly longer to plug in the car than a phone.

Of all the arguments in favor of EVs, the time duration at the pump is not a good one IMHO. There are other arguments more in favor of it.
 
Mman said:
Pulling in and out of the gas station at the hours I work is not a time consuming procedure. How long does it take to plug in a car? 20 seconds? Certainly longer to plug in the car than a phone.

Of all the arguments in favor of EVs, the time duration at the pump is not a good one IMHO. There are other arguments more in favor of it.
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I don't have to get out of my car in freezing weather, deal with the dirty gas handle that many others have touched, pull out into an extra intersection on a corner. Or deal with panhandlers. To me it's important. And it doesn't take any longer to plug in the car than my phone. Why would it?

And no other maintenance than the tires being changed. That's not nothing.
 
Twiggidy said:
It really stinks that I love gas guzzling SUVs so much and the Model Y doesn't do it for me. I think BMW and Mercedes will come out with pretty decent electric in the coming years especially if the country continues to aggressively become less oil dependent. If I'm not mistaken, I do believe they want to ban gas cars in the cities by 2030 so I think the German companies will start to make some attractive electric cars.
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I prefer Tesla with the tech
 
Heist said:
I don't have to get out of my car in freezing weather, deal with the dirty gas handle that many others have touched, pull out into an extra intersection on a corner. Or deal with panhandlers. To me it's important. And it doesn't take any longer to plug in the car than my phone. Why would it?

And no other maintenance than the tires being changed. That's not nothing.
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I quite honestly wouldn't be surprised if tech soon developed where you park in your garage and some type of charger mechanism rises up (or just works based on proximity) and charges automatically similar to wireless phone charging.
 
Heist said:
I don't have to get out of my car in freezing weather, deal with the dirty gas handle that many others have touched, pull out into an extra intersection on a corner. Or deal with panhandlers. To me it's important. And it doesn't take any longer to plug in the car than my phone. Why would it?

And no other maintenance than the tires being changed. That's not nothing.
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having charged EVs myself, it definitely takes longer than plugging in a phone. The cable is just a bit larger and you actually have to pop open the port to charge it. But that's just me. You have bad experiences at gas stations, I pull into empty ones that are on the road I drive home on with no panhandlers and it doesn't get cold where I live.

But my friend with a Tesla had to bring it in for 2 days to get the doors realigned when he bought it because it is so poorly manufactured other than the battery that it is quite common for things to not really work.

I'm not anti-EV, it just not easy enough to get me to switch right now. I don't really want to worry about finding somewhere to stop and charge for 30-45 minutes when we go on a road trip with the kids. When the infrastructure is more universal I will adopt.
 
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