Anesthesiologist doesn't pay subway fare and loses license

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Peds cardiac anesthesiologist uses wife's free transit card and gets his license suspended for 6 months. The British equivalent of the medical board said he behavior was undermining the public's trust in the profession.

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Doctor is suspended for six months... for using his wife's travel pass

The six-month suspension of Dr James Ip, a medic specialising in helping British kids with heart problems, for using his wife's Oyster card has provoked outrage among the medical community.
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I was about to say well they don’t pay NHS docs much over there but he lives in a $2mil house so this is just plain stupid. Stupid even if he was a broke resident.
All because of trying to save $300 over six months? How stingy can you be? And this is coming from a cheap person like me!!
 
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chocomorsel said:
Very American Way to look at things. We are talking about a different country here with different rules but somehow Americans are gonna criticize. Their country their ruling.
That's not what we would do in Amurrca!! Doctors get special treatment here!!
Y'all are funny.
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1. It is likely that 95% of the people who come to this board are US based or have ties here. So an American perspective is what you should expect.
2. It is doubtful that in the best interest of the community to sideline a pediatric cardiac anesthesiologist for six months for this infraction.
3. It does seem a disproportionate punishment.
 
chocomorsel said:
Very American Way to look at things. We are talking about a different country here with different rules but somehow Americans are gonna criticize. Their country their ruling.
That's not what we would do in Amurrca!! Doctors get special treatment here!!
Y'all are funny.
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I guess I should check my bias at the door. Seems to be counterproductive to penalize licensure due to something seemingly so minimal in nature. Maybe physicians in the US are more privileged. But, if I could lose my license so quickly then I’m not sure I’d have committed 9 years to medical education.
 
NICMAN said:
The NHS and British government clearly don’t care about physician shortages. Just cue the line.
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The British are great at standing in queue...

But I'm actually not surprised at all. The NHS doesn't care about patient wait and backlog of surgical cases. Fewer cases means less expense. Just talk to anyone who has worked in the NHS before. Horribly inefficient coupled by severe understaffing and a terrible training model designed to create the equivalent of perpetual residents
 
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Hold up I am guilty of fare evasion too... It's a little challenge for me basically lol. I remember when we were in Rome we paid once for the light rail and then realized no one actually checks the tickets, so free transport 😉 I mean yes I can afford it...

That being said, wow that's an extreme punishment for this poor chap
 
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Any other profession or job, nothing happens except for the fine. So hypocritical of society. As if being a physician has to dictate every aspect of your life. Especially disappointing given all the mistrust and hatred towards healthcare workers with all the mask and vaccine stuff with Covid.
 
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chocomorsel said:
Very American Way to look at things. We are talking about a different country here with different rules but somehow Americans are gonna criticize. Their country their ruling.
That's not what we would do in Amurrca!! Doctors get special treatment here!!
Y'all are funny.
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Bull****.

If he was any other profession than a physician nobody is suspending him from his job. Heck if he was an MP nothing would have happened to him.
 
“Others labelled it as 'pathetic', 'appalling', and 'a travesty', with some noting that as Dr Ip cannot work while suspended it was equivalent to issuing him a £50,000 fine. ”

Anyone else surprised by this? Consultant peds cardiac anesthesiologist gets about $10k/month. That’s the same as a 22yo new grad RNs at our hospital who get $60/hr. Hopefully he has a lucrative private side gig.
 
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dipriMAN said:
Any other profession or job, nothing happens except for the fine. So hypocritical of society. As if being a physician has to dictate every aspect of your life. Especially disappointing given all the mistrust and hatred towards healthcare workers with all the mask and vaccine stuff with Covid.
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Thousands of tech bros at Burning Man vs a pediatrician at Burning Man. What do they think happens at Burning Man?


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San Diego Pediatrician Nabbed in Burning Man Drug Bust

A San Diego pediatrician has been placed on administrative leave after being arrested near Burning Man, accused of possessing illegal drugs including ecstasy, shrooms and the club drug known as “Molly.”
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Ronin786 said:
Bull****.

If he was any other profession than a physician nobody is suspending him from his job. Heck if he was an MP nothing would have happened to him.
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Sure, maybe you and others have a point. Maybe the government there is trying to make a point. But when it comes to other countries and how they punish their crimes I don’t judge unless we are taking human rights violations. Which we have in the US as well and I judge it too.
I am looking at it strictly from that point. If that’s BS then whatever but Americans are very well know to judge the World based on what happens here.
 
nimbus said:
“Others labelled it as 'pathetic', 'appalling', and 'a travesty', with some noting that as Dr Ip cannot work while suspended it was equivalent to issuing him a £50,000 fine. ”

Anyone else surprised by this? Consultant peds cardiac anesthesiologist gets about $10k/month. That’s the same as a 22yo new grad RN at our hospital who get $60/hr. Hopefully he has a lucrative private side gig.
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Nope. The world knows thad US physicians get paid well and often the most but they also know of our inflated school loans and Capitalism that runs healthcare.
I would equate working for the NHS to working for the US military.
 
chocomorsel said:
Sure, maybe you and others have a point. Maybe the government there is trying to make a point. But when it comes to other countries and how they punish their crimes I don’t judge unless we are taking human rights violations. Which we have in the US as well and I judge it too.
I am looking at it strictly from that point. If that’s BS then whatever but Americans are very well know to judge the World based on what happens here.
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That's fair, but it's certainly reasonable for us to look at this kind of silliness and laugh and raise an eyebrow - same as it's OK for Europeans to look at what we do and laugh (or judge) also.
 
nimbus said:
“Others labelled it as 'pathetic', 'appalling', and 'a travesty', with some noting that as Dr Ip cannot work while suspended it was equivalent to issuing him a £50,000 fine. ”

Anyone else surprised by this? Consultant peds cardiac anesthesiologist gets about $10k/month. That’s the same as a 22yo new grad RN at our hospital who get $60/hr. Hopefully he has a lucrative private side gig.
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They’re not paid that badly. Income and workload came up at a dinner I attended a couple of years ago with an NHS anesthesiologist. It actually didn’t seem terrible. He had later starts, early days, and lots of time off. Also had a side job about 1 day a week in his down time.
 
nimbus said:
“Others labelled it as 'pathetic', 'appalling', and 'a travesty', with some noting that as Dr Ip cannot work while suspended it was equivalent to issuing him a £50,000 fine. ”

Anyone else surprised by this? Consultant peds cardiac anesthesiologist gets about $10k/month. That’s the same as a 22yo new grad RN at our hospital who get $60/hr. Hopefully he has a lucrative private side gig.
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No wonder you guys can't keep nurses. Our nurses won't stay for 180k a year
 
Sorry for reviving this thread. Anyone had any license problems lately? Just interesting to find out what's the procedure in such cases.
 
Dr. Rude said:
95% of these are one of three things: substance abuse, sexual harassment/bad behavior, billing fraud.
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There is a lot of weaponized use of reporting that can lead to retaliatory against physicians too.

But whether the physician is in the right or the wrong they need an attorney asap.
 
Good.

That’s how it should be.

It’s the principle and intention to game the system that should be punished.
 
Guillemot said:
Excessively harsh punishment IMO.
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Punishment is punishment.

Doctors should be generous, charitable and in fact pay for other people’s train tickets here and there - especially those who cannot afford it.

Not like this cheap ass.
 
I agree in principle that people should be charitable; charitable with their time and/or money. But to single out doctors is a bit weird. Almost like you think doctor's are put here to serve other people and should donate their time and services. Are you sure you're not hospital administration???
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I agree in principle that people should be charitable; charitable with their time and/or money. But to single out doctors is a bit weird. Almost like you think doctor's are put here to serve other people and should donate their time and services. Are you sure you're not hospital administration???
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To be fair the dude could also have just been referring to paying his taxes
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
I agree in principle that people should be charitable; charitable with their time and/or money. But to single out doctors is a bit weird. Almost like you think doctor's are put here to serve other people and should donate their time and services. Are you sure you're not hospital administration???
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Alright man

Don’t pay for someone’s ticket who asks you while you take the train and you deem them to be needy.

You can save your $5 and be proud and it will help you reaching your FAT FIRE or whatever the WCI is aiming for these days.

Jeez. Never thought Sdn would be full of cheapsters
 
AKMD_1984 said:
Alright man

Don’t pay for someone’s ticket who asks you while you take the train and you deem them to be needy.

You can save your $5 and be proud and it will help you reaching your FAT FIRE or whatever the WCI is aiming for these days.

Jeez. Never thought Sdn would be full of cheapsters
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No one here is saying they wouldn't be willing to pay for someone's ticket. I think the only challenge was that you said we SHOULD be paying for others' tickets.

People SHOULD do whatever they want with their money. Hopefully that includes charitable giving of multiple sorts, but if they choose not to, that's their choice.
 
abolt18 said:
No one here is saying they wouldn't be willing to pay for someone's ticket. I think the only challenge was that you said we SHOULD be paying for others' tickets.

People SHOULD do whatever they want with their money. Hopefully that includes charitable giving of multiple sorts, but if they choose not to, that's their choice.
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Read the full sentence. It says here and there. Which means if needed or deem appropriate. It implies discretion.

Contrary to try to steal and be stingy.

Nowhere in my post it says pay 100% of the time all the time, ie be obligated or should pay unequivocally. That would be ridiculous and illogical.
 
AKMD_1984 said:
Do you not understand what I wrote there?
There’s nothing wrong with being charitable or generous.
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It's just a little odd to suddenly inject charity into a conpletely unrelated conversation.

Signal away, I guess.
 
pgg said:
It's just a little odd to suddenly inject charity into a conpletely unrelated conversation.

Signal away, I guess.
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It’s little odd to you given your preexisting prejudice towards me. And that’s not a surprise to me.

Write away, and correct minutiae away.

Thank you.
 
AKMD_1984 said:
Alright man

Don’t pay for someone’s ticket who asks you while you take the train and you deem them to be needy.

You can save your $5 and be proud and it will help you reaching your FAT FIRE or whatever the WCI is aiming for these days.

Jeez. Never thought Sdn would be full of cheapsters
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Again, a little weird. I don't "deem" people needy. They either are needy or not. Since you figured me out so easily, let me return the favor. You keep telling everyone how generous you are and you keep deeming who is deserving of your virtue and who isn't. You are obviously the type that tells everybody you can when you pick up the tab or drop change in the jar.

You use cheapsters as an insult. I find that most "cheap" people understand the value of a dollar more than people who tell you how much they give. And they are the same ones that give larger amounts and without fanfare.
 
BobLoblaw78 said:
Again, a little weird. I don't "deem" people needy. They either are needy or not. Since you figured me out so easily, let me return the favor. You keep telling everyone how generous you are and you keep deeming who is deserving of your virtue and who isn't. You are obviously the type that tells everybody you can when you pick up the tab or drop change in the jar.

You use cheapsters as an insult. I find that most "cheap" people understand the value of a dollar more than people who tell you how much they give. And they are the same ones that give larger amounts and without fanfare.
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Neither of the above two statements are true. Go read the posts again. I find you being offended to what I wrote above quite comedic actually.

Good try though and keep up the stinginess.
 
AKMD_1984 said:
Neither of the above two statements are true. Go read the posts again. I find you being offended to what I wrote above quite comedic actually.

Good try though and keep up the stinginess.
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You find it comedic? Like a cheapskate, I'm not buying it. I think you feel sheepish and silly and now you're redirecting.

I don't give for the virtue signal as some do. Do you actually know charitable people? Do they ever chastise others for not giving? No, no they do not. That's bc charitable people don't give to virtue signal. Contemptuous, arrogant types give to say they give. Your behavior and manner speaks volumes.
 
AKMD_1984 said:
Alright man

Don’t pay for someone’s ticket who asks you while you take the train and you deem them to be needy.

You can save your $5 and be proud and it will help you reaching your FAT FIRE or whatever the WCI is aiming for these days.

Jeez. Never thought Sdn would be full of cheapsters
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It's charity every time I do a medicare case.
 
AKMD_1984 said:
Alright man

Don’t pay for someone’s ticket who asks you while you take the train and you deem them to be needy.

You can save your $5 and be proud and it will help you reaching your FAT FIRE or whatever the WCI is aiming for these days.

Jeez. Never thought Sdn would be full of cheapsters
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You should buy breakfast for anyone you pass on the street. You should also assist with mortgage payments of the lower wage staff that you work with.
 
AKMD_1984 doesn't understand that we anesthesiologists are very charitable everyday. As in, we aren't getting paid for non-insured cases that are forced upon us. AKMD_1984 should therefore go F* off. Freaking troll.
 
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