I respectfully disagree. In the contrary, its "misuse" shows how valuable and dignifying the title "Doctor" [still] is.
OMFS candidates are given advanced standing in an application to medical school (usually a year).
Not sure what you mean by chiros being incapable of giving medical advice. If its musculoskeletal related they can give very sound non surgical MSK medical advice but anything else (systemic issue) I would see GP or specialist. Medical advice is a broad term, but MSK medical advice many chiros are quite capable. I know this is beside your point and off topic but it is disheartening to see people viewing chiros as useless piles of crap. For informative purposes, they can be useful for providing a cost-effective conservative approach to back pain
there was a chiropractor in the same class with my sister in a community college going for RN degree. Back then I was shocked why someone with Doctorate degree would go back to community college to get Associates in nursing...
A postdoc in my old lab was getting her RN on the side due to the PhD job market, and she had some sort of health doctorate in her native country too.
There are many people that have negative experiences with medical physicians too. So you can't just say that about chiros. There are good and bad apples in every healthcare profession. But, for the chiros that practice with an evidence-based non-surgical MSK model, these providers do NOT practice pseudoscience. So, you cannot say that just because someone is a chiro that they are "incapable". That is incredibly naive of you. Look at the US olympic medical team, MANY of them are sports chiros (chiros that treat athletes with non-surgical MSK injuries/conditions). If they were "incapable", A. Olympic athletes wouldn't let a chiro touch their injury/condition B. the USOC medical staff wouldn't hire chiros AT ALL. I would do more research before saying an entire profession is "incapable". As a medical student now who had previously gone through chiro school and practiced chiro for a over a year in multi-disciplinary practice setting co-treating alongside DOs/MDs, pods, PTs etc I have merit in my accusations here. You then may ask me "if chiros so great why did you leave the profession", and the answer is I don't like MSK and find manipulation/joint mobilization quite tedious. My passion lies in treating systemic disease.
@PashaOdesit I know you will be a podiatry student and you seem to troll my chiro posts despite several of my posts sticking up for podiatrists. Should feel ashamed of yourself. If you want to point fingers, I know a podiatrist that did a bunionectomy on my mom's foot and decided to perform an unauthorized Morton's toe correction on ONE side only. She was FURIOUS, not only because her 2nd digits are significantly assymetrical, but now it has thrown off her gait and she has even more problems upstream (you will learn in pod school hopefully that the digits of the lower extremity play an important role in gait and proper biomechanical function). Like I said, there are bad apples in EVERY profession. Don't just follow the crowd, do your own research. You will find this comes in handy in pod school. When a patient comes in to see you will you just rely on previous doctor's Dx for that patient and treat him/her accordingly? I surely hope not.
Please stop going after me. I wasn't even replying to your post and when I wrote my post I wasn't even thinking about you. Why do you take it personal?
so? if you stick up to podiatrists, does it mean that I have to shut up or not have my own opinion of something? Or if podiatry world will be better served if you stick up for it? lol
I don't really care where you are pointing fingers. Seems childish - if you talk bad about me, then I will about you. so...
that is true. It's obvious. I don't think people are discussing just which profession has more bad apples.
aren't you following the current news? Apparently, sadly, they have trusted even a worse guy for about 20 years.
Someone practicing non-surgical MSK would be a PT, DC, PM&R physician or a family medicine physician with a sports medicine fellowship. Each has their role. However, when it comes to non-surgical MSK Dx, a DC has far more training than a PT, so no i wouldn't say that a PT would replace a chiro who practices non-surgical MSK. Regarding your response to the US olympic medical team, that has nothing to do with what I was saying. They would not hire DCs as part of the on-field and off-field team of medical practitioners if they practiced pseudoscience. These DCs are EXTREMELY competent MSK clinicians.
Im not going to let it go with chiro, when people make up BS about a profession they know nothing about. I will continue to stick up for DCs in their profession, even if I have left.
I am sorry, but I have not said much about chiro on this thread anyways. All I said that one chiro went from being a chiro to RN with my sister. That's all what I said. I said exactly what I know. I didn't say more than that. So, I didn't get into details of chiros anyways because like you said I don't know much about them. That's why I do not say more than I personally know. chill.
I truly belive you either confuse me with someone else or really make things up. It is probably a second time I posted about chiros on SDN. "consistently" - lol
Some of the BEST athletes in the world wouldn't let them touch their injuries/conditions, other physicians treating them wouldn't work with them/co-treat with them and allow them touching their patient, the US Olympic Committee organization and it's medical team would NOT hire them as on-field clinicians if they were "bunk" as you say. This is just common sense
Many intelligent and well educated people with the means to have any therapy choose "treatments" that have no evidence of safety or efficacy. The fact they choose them is not valid support for their use.
Not to offend you but youre an MD who is an OB, so you really don't have a background in MSK or manipulation/mobilization which undermines your argument stating lack of evidence for joint mobilization/manipulation and the field of MSK. Joint mobilzation/manipulation which is performed by PTs, DCs, DOs facilitates intracapstular mechanotransduction within the joint itself (it is much more complex than this). I could go on with the physiological mechanisms and its efficacy but that would take up way too much of my time/energy and would be too long of a post. Mobilization/manipulation is not all a chiro does.
I was responding to your assertion that the celebrity or athletic prowess of the patient validated the choice of therapy. I said nothing about MSK nor chiropractors, in particular.
You referred to these treatments as having no safety, efficacy or evidence and I was responding to such assertions
Here is my question to the resident chiropractor shill. If these people trully are the minority, why has the licensing body for chiros done nothing about this.
Ngl, doctors can be bad with this too, albeit it might be different. A doctor told my mom to jhst drink cranberry juice for her 'uti'
Where the heck did you even get this thought?
