Apply to both DO and Pod Schools?

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I applied to both, the DO school never said anything to me about it. But the DPM schools asked why I applied to DO. So if you do that make sure you have a good reason why you applied to both, don't just say because I want to be a Dr. somehow...
 
How did you handle that one? Were they turned off that you also applied DO?
 
To the OP:

i applied to both. i also applied to MD schools.

i'm not sure what the hangup is on the label "physicians". as a union healthcare worker i can tell you that , as far as insurance purposes go, podiatrists are podiatric physicians. if you take the insurance definition, and do a google search, you'll find that.

However, state to state maybe it varies..i dunno. but then there are those that only consider MDs physicians.

on interviews, I was asked what other schools i applied to but not ones outside the profession. if they ask, be honest. me, i wanted to broaden my horizons. if you listen to SDN and other paranoid pre-meds, you'll feel like i did, that i better cast a wide net cuz if i do not have the imagined stats some of these forum posters say they have, , i might as well curl up into a fetal position and die. it wasn't looked down in my case. i said i wanted to treat patients. end of story. and maybe applying DO and pod are two different spectrums, but if you feel that you can do either one and be happy, then why not?

its really up to you. as i said before, be honest with the schools should you get an interview and with yourself. forget what we think--ultimately, its your career, and your life.
 
I dont know whether to try to correct all of the misinformation in this thread or just shake my head and watch for the pure enjoyment of it.

I know...

:corny:
 
Come on JP...don't leave us hanging like that. Give the thread a nice flaming lol.
 
What?! That's completely crazy. I'm not going to be practicing there. 👎

Are you dense or just slow? Two posters just confirmed that the policy is in the process of changing. (It's actually IN the approval process...)

I hate Pennsylvania bashers. Great state and it's in a shortage of physicians. Last thing we need is a perpetuation of this bad information.
 
Well the fact that it is "going to be changed soon" is sort of disheartening Maximus, I am still surprised that it has taken this long for this law to be changed you know?
 
Are you dense or just slow? Two posters just confirmed that the policy is in the process of changing. (It's actually IN the approval process...)

I hate Pennsylvania bashers. Great state and it's in a shortage of physicians. Last thing we need is a perpetuation of this bad information.
The only reason I brought it up was because the Academy hasn't changed it.
 
Are you dense or just slow? Two posters just confirmed that the policy is in the process of changing. (It's actually IN the approval process...)

I hate Pennsylvania bashers. Great state and it's in a shortage of physicians. Last thing we need is a perpetuation of this bad information.

Come on, Max, you know that I'm both dense and slow. 🙄 It's probably true that medical school has melted my brain a bit and kicked my self-confidence into hiding. Nevertheless, I typed my response before I read the two posters in question and/or before they typed theirs. I have no dislike for Pennsylvania, just their policies in this regard. I merely responded to what seemed like a preposterous situation to me. It's amazing that such a rediculous policy has been around this long and that the state is just getting around to changing it. It kind of plants certain seeds in my mind. I mean, come on, I don't enjoy disliking anything, but things like this do leave a bad taste in my mouth. Anyway, the important thing is that it is going to change...

I appreciate you and everyone else who responded for updating and expanding on the situation. I don't mind it if you correct me; we all make mistakes. However, I don't really appreciate the anger directed at me. I hold no malice toward Pennsylvania or to this situation. You are looking for a straw man and I am not he.
 
Does it strike anyone else as strange that some of the most DO-friendly states are the only ones with legal restrictions on DO's? The required rotating year, and stuff like this.
 
Good Post Tired.

As for what texas said,
Does it strike anyone else as strange that some of the most DO-friendly states are the only ones with legal restrictions on DO's? The required rotating year, and stuff like this.
can someone fill me in on this? I don't really understand why DOs have to do this if MDs do not. What states require this rotating year?
 
I would NOT want to practice in Pennsylvania as a DO even if I get into my first choice med school (PCOM). Stupid internship year requirement? This thing (thank God it got reversed - but I want to know, who put it into law in the first place?). The insurance. It's not really a good state to practice in, for me.
 
I would NOT want to practice in Pennsylvania as a DO even if I get into my first choice med school (PCOM). Stupid internship year requirement? This thing (thank God it got reversed - but I want to know, who put it into law in the first place?). The insurance. It's not really a good state to practice in, for me.

Why dont you get into medical school (then perhaps a residency) before you start deciding where youre going to practice. Because right now, all you need to worry about practicing is dissecting a cadaver.
 
I applied to both, the DO school never said anything to me about it. But the DPM schools asked why I applied to DO. So if you do that make sure you have a good reason why you applied to both, don't just say because I want to be a Dr. somehow...

How did they find out? Are podiatry schools the only ones that care if their applicants also apply to other types of schools? I wonder if dental schools ever check...
 
How did they find out? Are podiatry schools the only ones that care if their applicants also apply to other types of schools? I wonder if dental schools ever check...

Schools can ask and you can disclose the information, but there's no way they can find out otherwise.
 
Spicedmanna- in the article you posted they said if you plan on taking the USMLE you must be prepared to study a SIGNIFICANT amount of new material. I now that COMLEX vs. USMLE are almost as common as DO vs. MD here but I just want to point out that I still think that is strange.

Why is it that allo boards have more material? I know comlex has omm on it but Still...

* note usage of the pun still (yea I'm a loser)
 
I would not want to practice my osteopathy in oklahoma.

Why not? They are in the top 2 or 3 highest paying states in the nation. Geographically, it is exactly the same as north Texas.
 
That's a pretty common argument, but really holds zero water.

Yes, both Podiatrists and FA Ortho does surgery on feet, prescribes medications, sees foot clinic, etc. So yes, with regards to feet there is "little difference" between the two.

But as you defend podiatry, please do not inadvertently denigrate FA Ortho. Remember that these surgeons are fully Board Certified Orthopaedic Surgeons who can, and do, operate on every facet of the musculoskeletal system. While some of the more successful FA Ortho guys will have "foot only" practices, many others (if not most) will also see trauma, do basic scopes, occassionally some joint replacements, and manage fractures in most bones of the body. In addition, they are also MDs, meaning that they have completed medical school and a somewhat general internship where they cared for the spectrum of medical and surgical patients competently.

I'm not trying to put down Podiatrists, who are great at what they do. But an FA Orthopod is an Orthopaedist and Physician first, with subspecialty training in Foot & Ankle surgery as an add-on. Saying that the two are basically the same, is like saying a nurse is just like a doctor, since both know how to start IVs.

Did you actually read all of my posts or did you just read portions of it and mold the rest into something that would support an argument? Nowhere in my posts did I "denigrate" FA Ortho. You actually quoted a section of my posts in which I specifically said, "the Orthopedic has a broader scope and some patients will more than likely choose the Orthopedic based on credentials". Yet you rambled on about how Orthopedics are full scope practitioners. Considering I said that in my posts, I'm not sure I follow your logic. I am well aware that Orthos are full scope practitioners and that Pods are limited to the foot and ankle. Also, Orthos can be DOs as well (Not just MDs). I never said a Pod and a FA Ortho are the "SAME". I said they are "SIMILAR", and they are. SAME and SIMILAR are two different words with two different meanings. You pretty much just twisted my words all around to make it sound like I was saying something that I wasn't.

I was very careful in terms of trying not to offend anyone with my post, and yet someone (you) has to find a way to make it sound like I'm trying to belittle someone or something. I was only trying to make the OP feel better about his or her decision if indeed that's what he or she really and truly wants to do. If you decide to respond to this post (and I hope you don't) please make sure you actually read all of it before you criticize it. ~Thanks
 
I would NOT want to practice in Pennsylvania as a DO even if I get into my first choice med school (PCOM). Stupid internship year requirement? This thing (thank God it got reversed - but I want to know, who put it into law in the first place?). The insurance. It's not really a good state to practice in, for me.
Many first years in a residency fulfill the requirement and I believe you can petition for it as well. Also, practicing in PA would be wonderful in regards to this being such a DO friendly state.
 
Spicedmanna- in the article you posted they said if you plan on taking the USMLE you must be prepared to study a SIGNIFICANT amount of new material. I now that COMLEX vs. USMLE are almost as common as DO vs. MD here but I just want to point out that I still think that is strange.

Why is it that allo boards have more material? I know comlex has omm on it but Still...

* note usage of the pun still (yea I'm a loser)

Seems a bit strange to me as well, since my impression is that they are more similar than different. My take on it is that if you try to take the USMLE unprepared, you will probably not do well; that is what I think the authors are trying to say. I've heard that the COMLEX is more straightforward and that for the USMLE it's more like you need to be able to apply the information, kind of like on the MCAT. I've talked with a few 2nd years and I've heard them say that they are studying primarily for the USMLE with the thought that it will also prepare them for the COMLEX (of course, not neglecting OMM in the process). I don't know really. All this could be totally incorrect, but it's what I've heard. Anyway, I can't really say more because I do not have any experience with either boards. I found this thread as I passed through the Osteo forum; perhaps it will help a bit.

Your question is best answered by someone in the process of preparing for both, or who has already taken both.
 
If you study for the COMLEX properly you are prepared for the USMLE. Simple as that.

Everyone uses the same review books anyway.
 
DMU, which has both POD and COM will not let you apply to both at theri school
 
I'm sorry... been studying for too long spiced... it's just that this was a campaign that our student gov't has been active in, and misinformation despite our efforts on a public forum is irritating. Last I knew, the new policy was in some sort of final approval stage... there was a month or something for people to voice opposition. I don't have all the details, unfortunately. At any rate, the PCOM SGA voted unanimously to back changing the current policy.

For the record, I can't criticize you because I'm dense, dumb, AND ignorant.

And I'm going to get completely obliterated by my metabolism (and other stuff = integrated curriculum) exam today... Better take the lube.
 
I'm sorry... been studying for too long spiced... it's just that this was a campaign that our student gov't has been active in, and misinformation despite our efforts on a public forum is irritating. Last I knew, the new policy was in some sort of final approval stage... there was a month or something for people to voice opposition. I don't have all the details, unfortunately. At any rate, the PCOM SGA voted unanimously to back changing the current policy.

For the record, I can't criticize you because I'm dense, dumb, AND ignorant.

And I'm going to get completely obliterated by my metabolism (and other stuff = integrated curriculum) exam today... Better take the lube.

No problem, Max. I can appreciate the hard work you've put into your campaign, the frustration of misinformation despite efforts, and the pain associated with school. When I read your response just now I remember when I was studying for OMM with a bunch of my close friends and we nearly bit each other's head off after staying up all night for about a week. It's amazing what lack of sleep and the intensity of medical school, etc., can do to you. Anyway, thanks again for updating us on the current status of the policy. Keep us updated on it. 👍

Also, good luck with your exams today. :luck:
 
Stand corrected. DPM's aren't considered physicians. Podiatry is not a medical specialty.

Are you SERIOUS?????

Give me a reason why you think Podiatry is not a medical specialty. DPM's are considered Podiatric Physicians and Podiatric Surgeons.

Say that a patient fractures their ankle in a sports injury, is their care needed considered a medical necessity? How about a diabetic patient that develops a gas gangrene foot infection, is this a medical emergency?

Who do you think takes the patient down to the OR to help salvage that limb??

Obviously you are uneducated about this profession and have no grounds to "stand corrected" about your opinions.
 
Here is a previous post I wrote to help education a premed who didn't know much about Podiatric medical training...........................


It's not like DPM's are trying to treat other medical issues out of their scope. Patients know very well that their Podiatric physician is their foot and ankle doctor. In addition, find me some other "doctor" who is more qualified to treat all of the conditions of foot/ankle than a Podiatrist. I have not found a single patient who was confused about their foot/ankle doctor. Many times you see referrals out to DPM's for challenging cases that other doctors (peds, pcp, internal med, ortho, ect) couldn't figure out. They go through 4 years of "podiatric" medical school and 3 years in a hospital residency just to attempt to master this scope of practice.

And you are probably thinking its just the foot and ankle......Right?......
Well actually we go through Lower extremity anatomy in much more detail than your ordinary Gross Anatomy class. We take the MD/DO anatomy class plus another 3 months of extremely detailed anatomy that was never mentioned in your typical MD/DO anatomy course. After that, we take classes of biomechanics, and sports medicine to complement our superior LE anatomy knowledge. Plus we take many orthopedic, surgery, and radiology courses that focus on the LE, especially foot/ankle. And the list goes on and on........we also get exposed to the other branches of clinical medicine.

I hope this clears up any confusion about qualifications or scope of practice of a Podiatrist.

I would like to add that I see many MD and DO physicians going through rotations at my clinic just to learn a bit more about the world of foot/ankle medical care from well trained Podiatrists.
 
Are you SERIOUS?????

Give me a reason why you think Podiatry is not a medical specialty. DPM's are considered Podiatric Physicians and Podiatric Surgeons.

Say that a patient fractures their ankle in a sports injury, is their care needed considered a medical necessity? How about a diabetic patient that develops a gas gangrene foot infection, is this a medical emergency?

Who do you think takes the patient down to the OR to help salvage that limb??

Obviously you are uneducated about this profession and have no grounds to "stand corrected" about your opinions.

To be medicolegally correct, there are still some states that recognize podiatrists as allied health professionals, not physicians. Also, hospitals in states that do recognize podiatrists as physicians have yet to universally accept podiatrists as such.
 
Personally, I have no idea why Podiatry isn't just incorporated into medicine as another specialty.
 
Personally, I have no idea why Podiatry isn't just incorporated into medicine as another specialty.

Personally, I think it already is. There's nothing a podiatrist can do that an orthopod or internist or PM&R doc, etc... can't.
 
To be medicolegally correct, there are still some states that recognize podiatrists as allied health professionals, not physicians. Also, hospitals in states that do recognize podiatrists as physicians have yet to universally accept podiatrists as such.

You are correct! Some states don't recognize them as physicians, however DPMs can still have those hospital rights to treat their patients regardless. It doesn't really matter to me what those states would refer to me as. As long as I can treat my patients foot condition.

As you probably already know the APMA is working on getting universal terms for Podiatrists. I am sure you get a far better understanding since Podiatry students are in your medical school classes.
 
Pods are better trained at FA surgery than ortho FA docs, as orthopods they do a general ortho residency with less than 20% of all cases being foot and ankle. Furthermore, most FA fellowships are between 6-12 months long where they complete about 400 cases. A pod will do only foot and ankle from day one and be an expert below the knee and after pod school and the three year residency they will have logged about 1200 Below the Knee cases. Furthermore, sometimes Ortho FA guys will refer complicated cases as previously stated to Pods. Just an FYI for those who don't know anything about podiatry. It's a great field that is just now comming into its own.
 
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