Are relationships falling apart Post-acceptance

[ar2388]

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re:something mentioned earlier in the thread...
women are sometimes crazy. we really can be and I admit it.. but guys also sometimes do really stupid ****!


anyways, my bf and i have spoken about the clinical years and residency and thankfully it is me going through it and not him. he is a lot more chill about holidays and spending time and stuff.. I definitely would not be able to handle a relationship like that... so for all the men out there, i hope you find girls who do not need quite so much attention as apparently I do.. 🙁

 

[link2swim06]

"After two years, Strauss ends up becoming almost as successful as Mystery, but he comes to an important realization. His techniques were actually off-putting to the woman he ended up falling in love with. And they never prepared him for actually having a relationship. After a while, he ran out of one-liners and had to have a real conversation. Still, The Game is a great read that may help some AFCs come out of their shells. --Alex Roslin " sounds like a great technique 🙄

Read it 2 months ago... great read... has alot of interesting stories

 

[p30doc]

I'm not criticizing the writing style or whether or not the book would be an interesting read. It probably is interesting. I am calling into question using such techniques as a base form a solid relationship with someone else. It seems like from the few brief reviews I read of the book, the author ends up realizing what I am saying.

Either way I haven't read the book. If this is the gospel you guys want to follow, I really could careless. 😛

 

[ar2388]

The key to a successful post-acceptance relationship is to understand that it will be unsuccessful. Try to get every bit of enjoyment out of it now, because once Medical School starts, it'll be like having your HS SO in college. I mirror Long Dong's approach on marriage, so I hope I do not break too many hearts over the next decade.

but my HS SO is my college SO and will hopefully be my grad school one to!! lol😍

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Your GF will be like mine and want to know how serious you are with them, if they stick it out with you, move to other cities with you, stay at home on holidays while you work, that in the end you won't leave them for someone in the medical field (someone you became close to, spending many nights on call with, can relate to more now that your life 80+ hours/week is medicine) or someone ten years younger then them when your a successfull 30 something eyeballing young 20 somethings.

or what if you are always gone and in your so's free time, he finds someone else? 🙁

um....just wondering, is this the mystery you're talking about?

I mean...that dude just looks ridiculous with his leather hat with what appears to be embedded hand cuffs???😕 Kind of like a clown you know what I mean?

Weren't we just talking about having self-respect? 👎

I still cant beleive this dude.. i am shocked nad amazed when i watch that show

I would agree with this statement. I hope I'm able to reach 'the end' so that it can all balance out. I'm going to owe my s.o. a lot for his unwavering love and support.

And btw, he never used the "mystery method" on me. 😀

same here.. if we make through... haha it will be amazing. but waht if by that time we are old, ugly, and wrinkly and they dont like us anymore because they missed all our best years?😕🙄

 

[SDN2013]

You will have to work your magic and dazzle your SO with your STEP I score of 318 and neonatal plastic enhancement surgery residency at Seattle Grace or Princeton-Plainsboro.

 

[pianola]

if we make through... haha it will be amazing. but waht if by that time we are old, ugly, and wrinkly and they dont like us anymore because they missed all our best years?😕🙄

Awww...well, hopefully it won't be an entire miss. 😳 That's what I'm hoping anyway...

 

[pakola]

Nah, plenty of guys do too. They're the ones who can pull with no issue. Women, unfortunately, are raised on chivalric Disney nonsense which goes completely against their evolutionary predispositions. Quick example, as I'm rather sleepy - watch a romantic movie. Undoubtedly, the girl will freak out over absolutely nothing, act crazy and test the guy to prove his love (instead of, you know, having a mature discussion on what the problem is). He will then have to pass it and basically prostrate himself, as no self-respecting human being should ever do, to get her back. She, of course, melts for this and they live happily ever after.

Does this work in real life? Of course not. Women hate guys who put up with their **** and play through their little mind games. Or, rather, they don't sleep with them. They call them their friends and bitch to them when the guy they are having sex with won't listen.

Wow, I did not realize that other people realized this about women too. My theory is that women have really remained the same over time in that they still fall for douchebags only, but men have changed over time in that not all men are douchebags. So, with more genuinely caring men, more end up being the "gay friend".

 

[Slowpoke]

Any Tom Leykis 101 students out there, or am I lone wolf on this?

 

[penisclaw]

Just wanted to add more support and clarification for the mystery method. The guy is a huge tool, I agree. But he is well studied in social dynamics and his stuff works. I read his books and tried it out with great success as well.

You guys laugh about the nails comment, but in the wikipedia article it is taken completely out of context. That line would only be delivered when you've already developed a little rapport with the set of girls, and only on girls who are full of confidence. I would never walk up to a random hot girl at a bar and open up by asking about her fake nails. Nor would I deliver such a line to a girl who has a weak self-image as it would probably upset her and hurt her feelings. I would, on the other hand, approach a very hot girl (or set of hot girls) and begin the conversation with a question or a story and after I have the attention of the very hot girl make a semi-negative joking comment like that to show that I don't hold her up on a pedistal. Very hot women are used to being complimented and having guys buy them drinks all night to try and get in with them. This does not impress these girls because it makes a guy look weak and as though he has no value because he must pay for the girls attention. By throwing a negative comment towards these girls, it shows them you aren't begging for their attention (probably because you can get hot girls frequently) which means you must have some value to your life and they are attracted to that.

Furthermore, it needs to be mentioned that the mystery method is not about making guys into something that they are not. It is about giving a guy who would otherwise be too afraid to even approach an attractive girl a chance to show her who he really is. If a girl never has a chance to get to know who a guy really is, there is only a slim chance she will ever be attracted to him.

These are just some of the things that have come up, and I promise you that if you read the books all of these things previously mentioned will be put into context and it will make more sense. I consider myself a pretty smart guy and I can't find many flaws in the logic presented by mystery.

That being said, I have a girlfriend who I got together with in undergrad. I got accepted to and am attending a med school 2000 miles away and we have managed to make it work. I make it clear to her that school is my top priority and she is fully understanding of that. It helps that my girlfriend is a very confident, very self-relient person (oh, and she's hot!) and therefore doesn't have any insecurities or excessive attention requirements out of our relationship. We visit each other about once a month and make the most of our time together.

 

[Livingapparatus]

Furthermore, it needs to be mentioned that the mystery method is not about making guys into something that they are not. It is about giving a guy who would otherwise be too afraid to even approach an attractive girl a chance to show her who he really is. If a girl never has a chance to get to know who a guy really is, there is only a slim chance she will ever be attracted to him.

BINGO!

I would not be with my current girlfriend if it was not for mystery's method and two years later our relationship is still going.

All guys should give it a shot ! Having confidence with with women will change every aspect of your life for the better.

 

[Abulcasis]

Furthermore, it needs to be mentioned that the mystery method is not about making guys into something that they are not. It is about giving a guy who would otherwise be too afraid to even approach an attractive girl a chance to show her who he really is. If a girl never has a chance to get to know who a guy really is, there is only a slim chance she will ever be attracted to him.

That brings everything into a new perspective, but if it helps the 'shy guys' who aren't open and expressive of themselves at social gatherings, then I would only think it helps them.

But should this method really be followed by those who already have some form of social skills?

Being a shy guy and using the method =/= being a guy who just wants to pick up girls, in my opinion at least.

 

[Charles_Carmichael]

I am calling into question using such techniques as a base form a solid relationship with someone else...

Furthermore, it needs to be mentioned that the mystery method is not about making guys into something that they are not. It is about giving a guy who would otherwise be too afraid to even approach an attractive girl a chance to show her who he really is. If a girl never has a chance to get to know who a guy really is, there is only a slim chance she will ever be attracted to him.

Yup. This is what I was trying to say earlier about the information in Strauss's book.

I can understand how sketchy it sounds when someone first hears of it so I get why many people in the thread seem against the method; but based on what I read in Strauss's book (which is not the book about the Mystery method but has information about it), the method is designed to do basically what penisclaw said.

 

[penisclaw]

But should this method really be followed by those who already have some form of social skills?

That just depends on if you are satisfied with your current social abilities. If you are happy with your ability to meet and interact with people, then don't bother with it. If you feel like there is room for improvement, what harm can it do?

The vibe I get from the way you wrote this is that you don't like the idea of using some "act" to "prey" on girls. But you have to understand that this isn't about being some sort of predator. It's about creating a sense of confidence within you that girls will be attracted to. What you do with that cofidence and the girls who are attracted to it is entirely up to you and will be determined based on the kind of person you are.

It's worth mentioning again that mystery's method doesn't change your values and morals, it just helps you to become more comfortable in a social situation so that you can better convey who you are to other people. Think about how comfortable you are when you talk to your friends and how the personality you convey makes them interested in being your friend. Now imagine that you could transfer that comfort to a social situation and the effect it would have on people around you (in both making friends and attracting the opposite sex). This is the idea behind this train of thought, not being a predator who preys on women.

 

[cbrons]

The Mystery Method is not accurately portrayed on wikipedia nor do you get a good feel for it from the VH1 TV series (and especially the TV series). I couldn't even watch the show, to be honest, because I know the way Mystery and Matador presented them on the series is not them in their true form. Both of these guys have been "personally training" men for over a decade now... and the whole "elimination" thing in the show made for a completely different dynamic because VH1 had to have some sort of competition behind it. In reality, Mystery and many of his instructors/proteges are some of the most charismatic people you will ever meet in your life. I didn't read or hear much about the Mystery Method until I had already been in this stuff for quite awhile. I actually learned from a former student of Mystery who had taken a "bootcamp" from Mystery about 10 years ago and long before this stuff was ever popular. Actually, interesting side note, the man who taught me (Joseph Matthews), discussed in his book "The Art of Approaching" about how the turning point in his life came when a lesser known and budding student of Mystery's named "Style" took him aside at a bar in Los Angeles and helped him refocus. I would later (much later) learn that "Style" was the name Neil Strauss went by years before his book was written.

At any rate, the MM in the form that you are seeing on wikipedia is old and for all practical points and purposes, out of date information. The old MM is highly focused on routines and "in the can" items that are really just glorified pickup lines (actually, they are more appropriately pickup strategies). Actually, the Mystery Method company is no longer run or in any way affiliated with Mystery anymore (there was a lawsuit, falling out, etc... long & boring story and both sides tell it different so its hard to find out what really happened).

Well I was going to talk more but I realize this is a pre-medical thread and you can take what penisclaw, Livingapparatus, Retsage, others and myself said however you'd like. If you want to be successful with woman and gain a better appreciation of yourself and live a more fulfilled life, the Mystery Method is a good start. I should note that just by reading this literature and believing it will not in and of itself change your situation. While I have personally witnessed many people have life-changing success with lessons similar to the MM, I have witnessed more people give up, either because they didn't believe it or because they didn't want to make the effort.

Also, it should be noted that the mystery method does not teach you how to have successful relationships. Some other similar programs give you an idea but I've found this is something you have to learn mostly through trial and error.

And btw, girls are by far the worst source of information and knowledge on what girls want in a potential mate. That's been my experience and the experience of every guy I've met who has been successful with woman. If you don't believe me, go ask one of your female friends what they look for in a guy they would date. They'll pretty much describe all of your characteristics, depending on how close your friendship is.

 

[Handy388]

game such as mystery method was originated as a mechanism to allow socially inadequate people to attain what socially successful people have. It's a technique of emulation. It works, but it's still a technique of emulation.

Why it's a technique of emulation? It's fake it till you make it.

For example, the 3 second rule, which forces you to interact with a woman 3 seconds you walk into the setting. being a natural myself, it's natural to talk to someone that you feel interesting. I do not need to work up a courage, but I can see why a socially inadequate person may need that.

another example, the neg. a natural has been with a lot of woman and usually isn't overly impressed by one. maybe woman can subconsciously tell how socially successfuly the natural was by looking at how relaxed he is with woman. again, something mystery ask the socially inept to emulate. after all, you are consciously giving a neg with mystery's method.

I have went through phases where I thought games are good for me. They work, but I've since realized that they are not good for me. A combination of great social skill and uninhibited confidence brought by being successful in life is good for me.

 

[pianola]

If you don't believe me, go ask one of your female friends what they look for in a guy they would date. They'll pretty much describe all of your characteristics, depending on how close your friendship is.

Yup. I mean come on, telling your guy-friend: "I'm looking for a guy older and more charismatic than you; definitely someone with better social skills than you have. I need him to be taller than you, that's for sure. And it would help if he were a little smarter and didn't embarass me in public." <-- tends to be a little bit of a ball-buster, wouldn't you say? 😉 I have no doubt that there IS an inclination on the part of women to answer that question with the qualities they like about their guy friends. Hey, there's some reason the guys are friends in the first place.

Also, if you ask a woman what she looks for in a man, a lot of times she will give you the answer for "What she's looking for long-term." Long-term, I really could care less if my guy has a 'line' for every situation. But I will care that he does his share of diaper-changing down the line (i.e. kind and giving). Long-term, I don't care that he's cut like a Abercrombie model (in a relationship, you get used to what you've got). But I will care that he supports my career goals and is understanding about the long hours I will have to work.

Just my $0.02 (what would you do without it, right? 😉)

 

[ar2388]

if this thread has made me realize anything is how different guys and girls really are...
and the mystery method may be good for picking up girls, but i hgihly doubt that it will often lead to any meaningful relationships.

also, im wondering how many of you out there need to be friends with a person before you like them? i have never really liked a guy without being friends with them first. my current bf and I were the best of friends before we went further in our relationship, and we actually were very apprehensive about this hurting our friendship... and even now, he is my best friend. there is no one in the world who comes close to knowing so much about it and me actually being willing to share everything and not hold anything back (i am apparently a bit of a private person with regard to certian things... lol).

 

[Handy388]

ladies, you must realize that the so called mystery method are only practiced by a minority of socially inept man who hope to further their social skills.

A truly confident man does not need to neg nor use any method of maniuplation. A truly confident man speaks his mind and isn't afraid of affection.

I still think the whole concept of "sarging" is demeaning toward PEOPLE, male and female alike. Have you ever seen a woman sarge? I have. I have also seen the psychological impact on man who are dumped after the said woman completed her sexual conquest.

 

[pianola]

if this thread has made me realize anything is how different guys and girls really are...

It's funny, actually. I feel like I'm spot on the same page with certain guys in this thread such as redrumi, otterpop, Handy388 (see below). And to me that's somewhat encouraging. The rest of the cynicism in this thread really seems stereotype women into a a very small box that can be really simplified to "For reasons that we may choose to excuse as biological and evolutionary, women are too stupid to see beyond very simple little mind games, and don't actually value the important qualities that make men good partners. You have to treat them like a pet that you're potty-training."

I still think the whole concept of "sarging" is demeaning toward PEOPLE, male and female alike. Have you ever seen a woman sarge? I have. I have also seen the psychological impact on man who are dumped after the said woman completed her sexual conquest.

👍👍👍 Men don't like it when women play games. Is the solution for men to play games as well? 😕 (I doubt it...)


I think I want to know how sankondbest's night went 😉

 

[vadd0]

I like how this thread went from "Are relationships failing?" to "How to start a new relationship".

The real game is what kind of partner do you want. If you want a girl like those on SDN (I am looking at you pianola), then you treat them with respect and be yourself. But if you want some no-name, used to look good in HS, personality to come home with you, don't be afraid to try the Mystery Method.

I want a respectable lady, and not a pincushion.

 

[jinx520]

um....just wondering, is this the mystery you're talking about?

If I were a guy, I think I would rather consult with Hitch.

 

[ar2388]

If I were a guy, I think I would rather consult with Hitch.

hitch definitely had some good moves i think

 

[Retsage]

I like how this thread went from "Are relationships failing?" to "How to start a new relationship".

The real game is what kind of partner do you want. If you want a girl like those on SDN (I am looking at you pianola), then you treat them with respect and be yourself. But if you want some no-name, used to look good in HS, personality to come home with you, don't be afraid to try the Mystery Method.

I want a respectable lady, and not a pincushion.

Such stupidity. Refer to the half-dozen posts talking about how this has nothing to do with putting on a facade and everything to do with creating confidence in yourself.

 

[pianola]

Such stupidity. Refer to the half-dozen posts talking about how this has nothing to do with putting on a facade and everything to do with creating confidence in yourself.

Dude, you seriously just said that to the guy going to Hopkins next year? Who is incidentally one of my SDN favorites? 😳 C'mon man. Try to have a little respect for other peoples' opinions.

How does using someone else's lines or sarging or neg-ing NOT count as putting on a facade? 😕😕😕

 

[Charles_Carmichael]

Like I said earlier, the only people I've come across who have negative things to say about this are people who have never read the book and don't know what the book is really about.

Pianola, it's not about playing mind-games; you're not tricking or "preying" on girls or anything like that. You're being yourself when you use the method; it's not about memorizing lines and throwing them at women. It's about gaining the confidence to approach women.

And Vadd0, you don't treat women with disrespect using this method. All you really gain is confidence. If you were a douche in real life, chances are you're still a douche even with the method. But if you were a nice guy in real life, you're still the same nice guy using the method. You are being yourself while using the method. So don't think that using this method makes you a person looking for "some no-name, used to look good in HS, personality to come home with you."

I highly suggest that people actually read at least "The Game" if not the Mystery method book itself. The method is not what you guys think it is and you will finally understand what myself and many others have been saying in this thread so far.

 

[vadd0]

Such stupidity. Refer to the half-dozen posts talking about how this has nothing to do with putting on a facade and everything to do with creating confidence in yourself.

If you have to pick up girls from the bar, you're doing it wrong. I want a girl with self-confidence, not one that wanted to go after me because she thought I was disinterested.

Here is a secret: If the girl likes you, you can successfully use ANY pickup line.

 

[cyclin M]

I like how this thread went from "Are relationships failing?" to "How to start a new relationship".

Yeah I just come in here to see what brilliant advice people in failed/failing relationships are giving to others in the same failed/failing relationships.

Turns out their secret weapon is some freak that dresses like a clown.

 

[penisclaw]

if this thread has made me realize anything is how different guys and girls really are...
and the mystery method may be good for picking up girls, but i hgihly doubt that it will often lead to any meaningful relationships.

This is where you girls (and some of the guys) keep missing the point. I challenge you to determine what makes you attracted to your significant other. I'm willing to bet most of the factors contributing to your attraction stem from his or her character and personality traits that became apparent to you after spending some time with this person. I'm also willing to bet that if you were in a social situation with that person before ever meeting them and they just sat quietly on the other side of the room without ever saying anything to you, that you would probably pay them little attention (again you have to imagine that you had never met them before). But if they walked up to you and began a conversation and began conveying their personality to you, you would communicate back with them and maybe the attraction would eventually spark.

Relationships are built on attraction to the deeper values and character traits, not on the initial approach and small talk. In order to have a relationship you must have some sort of initial interaction. The goal of the mystery method is to make that initial interaction easier for men who uncomfortable in such a situation and allow them a chance to get your attention and convey who they really are to you.

Granted many people meet through mutual relationships with friends or by being friends first. But if you think about it, such a situation is just allowing you to get to know who the other person is in a no-pressure situation which is exactly what mystery is trying to accomplish. You can't convey a personality that doesn't exist so there is no falseness to it.

Futhermore, those of you who say you prefer to meet people through friends first are missing out on tons of opportunities. Sure, you might find the perfect person in your current social group, but what if the perfect person is somewhere out there in those millions of other people whom you likely will never have a social interaction with? Just think about all the opportunities you will miss by limiting yourself to only interacting with friends. I am a very interesting and attractive guy, but I wouldn't be in the relationship I am in currently if I hadn't had the initial interactions with my girlfriend at some point. Whether that interaction happened naturally or with the help of mystery's methods doesn't really matter because my girlfriend doesn't even remember what we talked about for the first few minutes/hours of getting to know each other and neither do I.

The real game is what kind of partner do you want. If you want a girl like those on SDN (I am looking at you pianola), then you treat them with respect and be yourself. But if you want some no-name, used to look good in HS, personality to come home with you, don't be afraid to try the Mystery Method.

I want a respectable lady, and not a pincushion.

Completely incorrect. See above.
I bet that if you approached any of these girls in a social situation (at least the ones that have any self value) with the attitude that you have about it you will be very unsuccessful (unless you have the looks of brad pitt or something) because you will convey little value in yourself and if you don't see yourself as valuable then why should they? And if you did have success with them, it is because you are subconsciously conveying traits which display your value to them. Some guys don't have this natural ability and that is what I'm trying to explain.

hitch definitely had some good moves i think

Also incorrect. What hollywood makes you think you are attracted to and what you are actually attracted to are different.
The reason you think Hitch had good moves (while I'll admit some of his stuff is good) is because you see his true character as developed throughout the movie. He has a natural confidence and charisma about him that makes him attractive (plus he's good looking). If someone like Alfred Breneman (or whatever his student's name was) approached you like a bumbling idiot with no confidence or charisma you would probably turn your backs and walk away. He does not convey any self value and therefore there is no reason you should be attracted to him.

 

[202781]

THE FULL REPORT OF THE "MYSTERY METHOD".


Okay so last night I went out to da club and I promised this thread a full report.
I went out with an attitude of "I dont give a **** what happens" and I got to the club, started dancing and I danced my way up to a 3 set. I opened the 3 set easily (I made sure to keep all 3 engaged) Then I isolated this chick that I later found out had EVERYTHING pierced (she even showed me her nipples.) So we started making out and dancing and then about an hour later she asked me if I wanted to go home with her (NO JOKE this really happened)...So I left the club with this girl but then I started getting calls from my female friend that I went to the club with. She was driving around looking for me. So here I was making out with hot random club girl in the street while the female friend was getting very jealous and she claimed that she wanted to "Save me" from the mistake I was about to make. She was also saying how cute I was and really started flirting with me over the phone. So I was like this is crazy what do I do (because I have had a crush on my female friend for a long time) So what I decided to do was tell hot random club chick that one of my friends was getting really sick and that we may have to take him to the hospital or whatever. She bought it and for the rest of the night she was sending me pictures of herself and text messages. I even got one of her wearing a thong showing off the tramp stamp!

So my friend kept flirting with me all night and claiming how she just prevented me from making a huge mistake. She was staying at my house that night (I had the couch set up for her) but right before I went to bed I was feeling like a badass so I said "hey you should come cuddle with me in my bed." She didnt say anything after this, but about fifteen minutes later she snuck past our other friends sleeping in the living room and came into my bed and we hooked up (not sex though).


All in all a very good night. Got some digits, hooked up with a crush... Wha What!

And I dont think I blew it with hot club girl either because she has sent me text messages all morning.

 

[penisclaw]

Here is a secret: If the girl likes you, you can successfully use ANY pickup line.

How is a girl going to like you if you've never talked to her before?
You're confusing 'like' with 'physical attraction'
And if she's physically attracted to you it makes it much easier to keep her attention, but she's not going to like you until she experiences your personailty.

 

[pianola]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9hOU13RMu0[/youtube]

Basically, my analysis is that this guy isn't as much of a psychopath as his clothing might suggest.

But you know, he's not right in all areas. For example, I don't know many self-respecting women who would think it was hot that their prospect's last girlfriend was an exotic dancer...Now, if he said his last girlfriend was a director of admissions at UPenn Med School, that'd be a different matter.

Also, he is very obviously 'putting on an act' for the camera (which is, I suspect, what he does with girls). That's kind of a turnoff if the girl thinks the whole thing is rehearsed.

Also, I don't do well with the whole cursing thing. Any guy using the word "f*ck" in the first 5 minutes of a conversation with me is automatically dropped to the bottom of my list.

Also, "You're very beautiful, but beauty's common." Haha, yeah right that'd work on me! Boy do I feel special now 😉

So Vadd0's kind of right...what works for some girls probably won't work for all of them.

 

[cyclin M]

the full report of the "mystery method".


okay so last night i went out to da club and i promised this thread a full report.
I went out with an attitude of "i dont give a **** what happens" and i got to the club, started dancing and i danced my way up to a 3 set. I opened the 3 set easily (i made sure to keep all 3 engaged) then i isolated this chick that i later found out had everything pierced (she even showed me her nipples.) so we started making out and dancing and then about an hour later she asked me if i wanted to go home with her (no joke this really happened)...so i left the club with this girl but then i started getting calls from my female friend that i went to the club with. She was driving around looking for me. So here i was making out with hot random club girl in the street while the female friend was getting very jealous and she claimed that she wanted to "save me" from the mistake i was about to make. She was also saying how cute i was and really started flirting with me over the phone. So i was like this is crazy what do i do (because i have had a crush on my female friend for a long time) so what i decided to do was tell hot random club chick that one of my friends was getting really sick and that we may have to take him to the hospital or whatever. She bought it and for the rest of the night she was sending me pictures of herself and text messages. I even got one of her wearing a thong showing off the tramp stamp!

So when i saw my friend she kept flirting with me all night and claiming how she just prevented me from making a huge mistake. She was staying at my house that night (i had the couch set up for her) but right before i went to bed i was feeling like a badass so i said "hey you should come cuddle with me in my bed." she didnt say anything after this, but about fifteen minutes later she snuck past our other friends sleeping in the living room and came into my bed and we hooked up (not sex though).


All in all a very good night. Got some digits, hooked up with a crush... Wha what!

lol

 

[pianola]

I even got one of her wearing a thong showing off the tramp stamp!

I can tell this is the beginning of a meaningful and long-lasting relationship. 😉

 

[penisclaw]

But you know, he's not right in all areas. For example, I don't know many self-respecting women who would think it was hot that their prospect's last girlfriend was an exotic dancer...Now, if he said his last girlfriend was a director of admissions at UPenn Med School, that'd be a different matter.

Also, he is very obviously 'putting on an act' for the camera (which is, I suspect, what he does with girls). That's kind of a turnoff if the girl thinks the whole thing is rehearsed.

Also, I don't do well with the whole cursing thing. Any guy using the word "f*ck" in the first 5 minutes of a conversation with me is automatically dropped to the bottom of my list.

Also, "You're very beautiful, but beauty's common." Haha, yeah right that'd work on me! Boy do I feel special now 😉

So Vadd0's kind of right...what works for some girls probably won't work for all of them.

You are probably a much different girl than the ones he is speaking of. A lot of this information is directed at picking up those superficial hot girls who are impressed with things like the ex-girlfriend being a stripper. The beauty comment says that you have to have something more than good looks in order to be attractive to me, in other words I am interested in more than just looks.

Part of what mystery teaches is how to recognize which girls you have to act this way with (superficial club/bar girls), and which ones you don't (for instance some of the girls on this forum). But in either case you have to convey some level of value within yourself for the girls to be attracted to you, and you do that by having a confidence and charisma that he helps to develop in you.

 

[Retsage]

^
Just to add to that, Pianola, you're again looking at this as some sort of grouping of canned responses and routines used without fail in every situation. It's not. A girl covered in tats will not be approached in the same way as a studious girl in a library. You adapt by learning how to interact.

Also, you drop people who swear? Lol. We could never be friends.

 

[202781]

I can tell this is the beginning of a meaningful and long-lasting relationship. 😉

Hopefully my "relationship" with her lasts longer than 1.5 minutes as my "relationships" with many of the 2 girls I have slept with in my life have lasted

 

[pianola]

Also, you drop people who swear? Lol. We could never be friends.

Haha. If I hear a guy swearing within 5 minutes of meeting him, the way I read it is that the guy hasn't been able to read my social cues well enough to figure out that I'm a "nice girl". And he probably won't treat me like a "nice girl". And he probably is bad at figuring out other social cues, too 😛.

I do agree with Mystery's idea that coming up to a girl with something to say is generally a good idea. Stories are a good idea because it puts less pressure on the girl to come up with brilliant answers on the spot.

 

[pianola]

Hopefully my "relationship" with her lasts longer than 1.5 minutes as my "relationships" with many of the 2 girls I have slept with in my life have lasted

Aw, just go to the library and ask the first cute girl you see if she has 50 cents so you can make a photocopy of something.

Return back, thank her....you've got your open.

And the girl isn't trashed.

Tell her about something cool you're studying (or pretending to study...just tell her a cool story).

At some point, you can ask to join her studying.

See, not so bad 🙂 It won't work on every studying girl, but on some, I'm sure it will be a welcome distraction.

And hey look, no one was devalued, you've given a sense of what interests you, and life goes on.

 

[cbrons]

If you have to pick up girls from the bar, you're doing it wrong. I want a girl with self-confidence, not one that wanted to go after me because she thought I was disinterested.

That isn't the point of Mystery Method-like programs

Here is a secret: If the girl likes you, you can successfully use ANY pickup line.

now that's just plain not true.

 

[cbrons]

Aw, just go to the library and ask the first cute girl you see if she has 50 cents so you can make a photocopy of something.

most guys our age are too afraid to do this.

And the girl isn't trashed.

you seem like a nice girl but you simply don't understand the program.
It isn't about picking up girls who are trashed.

 

[cbrons]

THE FULL REPORT OF THE "MYSTERY METHOD".


Okay so last night I went out to da club and I promised this thread a full report.
I went out with an attitude of "I dont give a **** what happens" and I got to the club, started dancing and I danced my way up to a 3 set. I opened the 3 set easily (I made sure to keep all 3 engaged) Then I isolated this chick that I later found out had EVERYTHING pierced (she even showed me her nipples.) So we started making out and dancing and then about an hour later she asked me if I wanted to go home with her (NO JOKE this really happened)...So I left the club with this girl but then I started getting calls from my female friend that I went to the club with. She was driving around looking for me. So here I was making out with hot random club girl in the street while the female friend was getting very jealous and she claimed that she wanted to "Save me" from the mistake I was about to make. She was also saying how cute I was and really started flirting with me over the phone. So I was like this is crazy what do I do (because I have had a crush on my female friend for a long time) So what I decided to do was tell hot random club chick that one of my friends was getting really sick and that we may have to take him to the hospital or whatever. She bought it and for the rest of the night she was sending me pictures of herself and text messages. I even got one of her wearing a thong showing off the tramp stamp!

So my friend kept flirting with me all night and claiming how she just prevented me from making a huge mistake. She was staying at my house that night (I had the couch set up for her) but right before I went to bed I was feeling like a badass so I said "hey you should come cuddle with me in my bed." She didnt say anything after this, but about fifteen minutes later she snuck past our other friends sleeping in the living room and came into my bed and we hooked up (not sex though).


All in all a very good night. Got some digits, hooked up with a crush... Wha What!

And I dont think I blew it with hot club girl either because she has sent me text messages all morning.

lol
So where exactly is the part where the mystery method was employed?

 

[penisclaw]

And hey look, no one was devalued, you've given a sense of what interests you, and life goes on.

I have a feeling you are taking the nails comment way too far. This is the type of thing you say to a very confident and full of herself type girl who wouldn't give anyone the time of day otherwise. You don't say it to most girls or in most situations. It is a very small part of the method.

The advice you give is based on the type of girl you are. You can see that working because you see it working on yourself. The fact is, not all girls are like you and that will not work on all of them. Part of this method is recognizing how to get and hold the attention of varying types of girls. But if you are getting hit on all the time by guys, you are probably used to hearing questions about what you are studying and any guy who comes up to you and says that is not interesting to you because he is just like all the others.

So yes, that will work in some cases, but not in all.

 

[penisclaw]

lol
So where exactly is the part where the mystery method was employed?

I agree. This just sounds like going balls to the wall trying to pick up chicks. Congratulations to you for your success, but it is definetly not the mystery method.

 

[202781]

Aw, just go to the library and ask the first cute girl you see if she has 50 cents so you can make a photocopy of something.

Return back, thank her....you've got your open.

And the girl isn't trashed.

Tell her about something cool you're studying (or pretending to study...just tell her a cool story).

At some point, you can ask to join her studying.

See, not so bad 🙂 It won't work on every studying girl, but on some, I'm sure it will be a welcome distraction.

And hey look, no one was devalued, you've given a sense of what interests you, and life goes on.

Umm... I was talking about how long I last in bed.

But good advice though thanks

 

[Retsage]

^
If it makes you feel better, I got it and I lol'ed. 😀

 

[ILikeFood]

Yup. I mean come on, telling your guy-friend: "I'm looking for a guy older and more charismatic than you; definitely someone with better social skills than you have. I need him to be taller than you, that's for sure. And it would help if he were a little smarter and didn't embarass me in public." <-- tends to be a little bit of a ball-buster, wouldn't you say? 😉 I have no doubt that there IS an inclination on the part of women to answer that question with the qualities they like about their guy friends. Hey, there's some reason the guys are friends in the first place.

Or you could answer their question without the comparisons. Just a suggestion

 

[202781]

lol
So where exactly is the part where the mystery method was employed?

Mostly the part where you bang hot chicks. I cant wait to call back the club girl. And I def planted a seed for the female friend I hooked up with.

But you are right it was just mostly meeting a girl who said she wanted to take me home and strip off my clothes and (Slang for have sex) in the bathtub.

 

[penisclaw]

Umm... I was talking about how long I last in bed.

Lol! That 'relationship' duration will improve with practice and time. Or you could always try some of those miracle pills sold on the gas station counter!

 

[Retsage]

Sankondbest, you made a bad move, my friend. You wouldn't have lost anything with crush girl if you had gone and ****ed club tramp. Hell, you'd be all the more attractive for it, because now you have options in her eyes.

 

[ar2388]

I can tell this is the beginning of a meaningful and long-lasting relationship. 😉

my thoughts exactly.

Hopefully my "relationship" with her lasts longer than 1.5 minutes as my "relationships" with many of the 2 girls I have slept with in my life have lasted

1.5 minutes huh? could have at least said something like 10 minutes...🙄

I have a feeling you are taking the nails comment way too far. This is the type of thing you say to a very confident and full of herself type girl who wouldn't give anyone the time of day otherwise. You don't say it to most girls or in most situations. It is a very small part of the method.

The advice you give is based on the type of girl you are. You can see that working because you see it working on yourself. The fact is, not all girls are like you and that will not work on all of them. Part of this method is recognizing how to get and hold the attention of varying types of girls. But if you are getting hit on all the time by guys, you are probably used to hearing questions about what you are studying and any guy who comes up to you and says that is not interesting to you because he is just like all the others.

So yes, that will work in some cases, but not in all.

i think im too much like pianola for something like this.. while yes i have had times in high school and wahtnot where i could have just made out with a guy because he used some kind of line on me BUT i never ever called them back.. and the hook ups never happened again. Everything they said was a line and I just used them for that one night and never wanted to see them again.. and I get that the feeling that that is how i would react to someone talking to me about negs and not being interested in me

edit: not terribly related but people keep commenting on my photo in the official premed picture thread.. maybe i should have chosen a different one LOLOLOL