Are You Serious?

[Noyac]

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Jet is put on post hold for speaking the truth!

What has this forum come to?

Moderators, please! An explanation would be nice. 😕

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

Jet is put on post hold for speaking the truth!

What has this forum come to?

Moderators, please! An explanation would be nice. 😕

I would guess it's more the increasing ratio of bullying: productivity or the foray into the FM forum, not so much "speaking the truth."

 

[Noyac]

I would guess it's more the increasing ratio of bullying: productivity or the foray into the FM forum, not so much "speaking the truth."

Speaking the truth is not "bullying".

But apparently it is threatening!

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

Speaking the truth is not "bullying".

But apparently it is threatening!

I'm referring to incidences like the resident asking if patients with significant coronary disease show up for surgery sans workup in private practice, only to have JPP call him a liar, amongst other things.

I don't know all the politics/TOS issues involved in his reimbursement thread, only that there was some sort of violation and he had been warned before. I feel like there's a quote about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results...

 

[Noyac]

Are you serious? Someone got their feels hurt? On an Internet forum?

This isn't high school!

Jet is making a point. One that history shows is a benefit to all that pay attention.

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

Are you serious? Someone got their feels hurt? On an Internet forum?

This isn't high school!

Jet is making a point. One that history shows is a benefit to all that pay attention.

I feel like we might be arguing past each other at this point. I'm less concerned by the name-calling than the non-productivity. It's one thing to be like "you're a *****, here's why" and entirely different to jump on threads and be disruptive without contributing anything.

What point is he making by indiscriminately attacking people? That he's tough and he can get away with whatever he wants?

 

[IlDestriero]

I feel like we might be arguing past each other at this point. I'm less concerned by the name-calling than the non-productivity. It's one thing to be like "you're a *****, here's why" and entirely different to jump on threads and be disruptive without contributing anything.

What point is he making by indiscriminately attacking people? That he's tough

and he can get away with whatever he wants?​

Apparently not.

 

[sevoflurane]

Jet has a lot of time and effort invested in this forum. He does bring many years of clinical experience in PP to the table.... he even has experience with starting up a group from scratch.

Been reading his posts for years.

I still enjoy them.

If u don't, then simply use the ignore function.

 

[Ignatius J]

Are you serious? Someone got their feels hurt? On an Internet forum?

This isn't high school!

Jet is making a point. One that history shows is a benefit to all that pay attention.

That resident was me, and no, I didn't get my feelings hurt.

I do feel that Jet has some growing up to do, however.

If it makes this place a better place to censor him (which I believe it does), then he needs his posting privileges taken away. If he's going to act like a kid, he's going to be treated like one.

I think he has made fair points in the past, but that doesn't excuse some of his behavior.

 

[MiracleforMD]

Jet has a lot of time and effort invested in this forum. He does bring many years of clinical experience in PP to the table.... he even has experience with starting up a group from scratch.

Been reading his posts for years.

I still enjoy them.

If u don't, then simply use the ignore function.

Yes.

That resident was me, and no, I didn't get my feelings hurt.

I do feel that Jet has some growing up to do, however.

If it makes this place a better place to censor him (which I believe it does), then he needs his posting privileges taken away. If he's going to act like a kid, he's going to be treated like one.

I think he has made fair points in the past, but that doesn't excuse some of his behavior.

No.

 

[Noyac]

That resident was me, and no, I didn't get my feelings hurt.

I do feel that Jet has some growing up to do, however.

If it makes this place a better place to censor him (which I believe it does), then he needs his posting privileges taken away. If he's going to act like a kid, he's going to be treated like one.

I think he has made fair points in the past, but that doesn't excuse some of his behavior.

Dude, this is an Internet forum.

It seems like someone other than Jet needs to grow up.

If you don't like his posts, hit ignore. That's what that function is for.

If you think this place is better with Jet censored, your crazy.

So as Wholelottagame7 requested, your a ***** and here's why.

Jet is the most prolific poster here.

He is controversial.

He is different.

He is in your face at times when necessary.

But most importantly, he is right ALL the time and if you pay attention you might learn something from him.

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

Dude, this is an Internet forum.

It seems like someone other than Jet needs to grow up.

If you don't like his posts, hit ignore. That's what that function is for.

If you think this place is better with Jet censored, your crazy.

So as Wholelottagame7 requested, your a ***** and here's why.

Jet is the most prolific poster here.

He is controversial.

He is different.

He is in your face at times when necessary. And a lot of times when it's not

But most importantly, he is right ALL the time and if you pay attention you might learn something from him.

And nobody's right ALL the time. You're talking about him like he's Jesus H. Christ, for goodness' sake.

The old Jet was awesome. The new Jet just seems...unmedicated.

 

[Noyac]

And nobody's right ALL the time. You're talking about him like he's Jesus H. Christ, for goodness' sake.

The old Jet was awesome. The new Jet just seems...unmedicated.

And your are another CA1 with a lot to learn.

You guys want a sanitary forum where nobody gets their feelings hurt and guess what, it's here and you are chasing away one f your best resources.

 

[Ignatius J]

Dude, this is an Internet forum.

It seems like someone other than Jet needs to grow up.

If you don't like his posts, hit ignore. That's what that function is for.

If you think this place is better with Jet censored, your crazy.

So as Wholelottagame7 requested, your a ***** and here's why.

Jet is the most prolific poster here.

He is controversial.

He is different.

He is in your face at times when necessary.

But most importantly, he is right ALL the time and if you pay attention you might learn something from him.

Okay, let's get one thing straight and then I'm going to refrain from commenting further on this subject.

There's a difference between being "controversial" (or whatever euphemism fits your agenda), and personally and malignantly attacking other posters for no reason.

Also, quit with this "Jet is right ALL the time" and holier-than-thou attitude BS. A board certification doesn't make you a decent person or a man of integrity, and it's those attributes that afford you respect and positive attention. Bullying others does not.

You're an attending. We get it. But don't for a second tell me, a free-thinking man, who I need to listen to and who I do not. That's for me to decide. Not you.

And if you have a problem with what I just said, press 'ignore' on me. Because I already have one narcissist to deal with on this site already.

Have a good night, ladies and gentlemen.

PS. This is a resident forum. And that needs to be emphasized as well. It's great for all topics of discussion, but residents should have a proper voice here to prevent arrogance from reigning down from above.

 

[Noyac]

Okay, let's get one thing straight and then I'm going to refrain from commenting further on this subject.

There's a difference between being "controversial" (or whatever euphemism fits your agenda), and personally and malignantly attacking other posters for no reason.

Also, quit with this "Jet is right ALL the time" and holier-than-thou attitude BS. A board certification doesn't make you a decent person or a man of integrity, and it's those attributes that afford you respect and positive attention. Bullying others does not.

You're an attending. We get it. But don't for a second tell me, a free-thinking man, who I need to listen to and who I do not. That's for me to decide. Not you.

And if you have a problem with what I just said, press ignore on me. Because I've already got one narcissist to deal with on this site already.

Have a goodnight, ladies and gentlemen.

PS. This is a resident forum. And that needs to be emphasized as well. It's great for all topics of discussion, but resident should have a proper voice here to prevent arrogance from reigning down from above.

We've seen many like you here. You get your feelings hurt and then tout the above Bullsh*t.

Nobody is telling you who to listen to!

We are telling you to use the forum tools at hand, the ignore button.

Just because he hurt your feelings doesn't mean we need censorship like this.

The board certification like you said doesn't make you a decent person but it is still more than you have at this point in your career. Read his posts, agree if you want. Disagree if you want. Debate him if you want. Or hit the IGNORE button. It's your choice.

But don't complain to the mods that someone is bullying you. That is childish.

PS: this is a Student Doctor Forum, not strictly a resident forum.

 

[Ignatius J]

I never once complained about it to the moderators. Not once. You are the one complaining and starting threads for moderators. I think you need to re-evaluate your angle if you're going to go off on tangents about people complaining about this forum. Because make no mistake, you're the only one trying to gain the moderators attention right now.

Jet is currently on the "ignore" list for me, also. So need to further press that issue. And no, I didn't get my feelings hurt (for the last time). I'm merely responding to you, and how you're excusing Jet's very aggressive demeanor in an "aw shucks" way.

Please, just quick ignore and you won't have to deal with me. If you think Jet has the right to be "upfront and personal", then so do I or any other person here.

PS. This is a studentdoctor messageboard, in the "residents forum" section. It's really not an abstract concept.

 

[Noyac]

PS. This is a studentdoctor messageboard, in the "residents forum" section. It's really not an abstract concept.

I was just about to leave you alone then you posted this nonsense.

When I look at the categories I read:

Physician/Resident Forums [MD/DO]

Comprende?

 

[Monty Python]

I never once complained about it to the moderators. Not once. You are the one complaining and starting threads for moderators. I think you need to re-evaluate your angle if you're going to go off on tangents about people complaining about this forum. Because make no mistake, you're the only one trying to gain the moderators attention right now.

Jet is currently on the "ignore" list for me, also. So need to further press that issue. And no, I didn't get my feelings hurt (for the last time). I'm merely responding to you, and how you're excusing Jet's very aggressive demeanor in an "aw shucks" way.

Please, just quick ignore and you won't have to deal with me. If you think Jet has the right to be "upfront and personal", then so do I or any other person here.

PS. This is a studentdoctor messageboard, in the "residents forum" section. It's really not an abstract concept.

I've known Jet since 1994 ... by pure coincidence we were on peds and OB rotations at the same outlying hospitals at the same time. We moved to the same town (again coincidentally) in the mid-90s and would run into each other at the store, at the running track, etc, from time to time. He would occasionally moonlight in the ER at my hospital. I had the pleasure of working for his group in the last decade.

Jet is one of those unique, rare, multi-faceted, multi-talented individuals whose interests and tastes go in a million directions at the same time, and he's very good at every single one of them. He is just that gifted, including his entertaining and complex use of the English language, subtle double-entendres, not-quite-obvious humor, black humor, and calling the truth for what it is. At the same time he is one of the most generous, caring, and altruistic individuals I've ever met, and he's a damned good anesthesiologist. He's one of those anesthesiologists who isn't just a well-trained practitioner or well-educated scientist. I put him in the category of anesthesiology "artist." That's an understatement.

Perhaps his posts would come across slightly differently if spoken in person. I read his posts as if I'm hearing him speaking out loud as I know him, his mentation, his inflections, and his tone of voice. I can assure you there's not a malevolent thought or intent in him.
And, he truly cares about his patients, his coworkers, and his profession for everyone's best interest. If his posts come across as abrasive it's because HE CARES, and it's his way of showing it without meaning to be directly abrasive. He's too much the diplomat for that.

 

[chocomorsel]

I was just about to leave you alone then you posted this nonsense.

When I look at the categories I read:

Physician/Resident Forums [MD/DO]

Comprende?

Really Noyac? As smart as Jet is, as prolific as he is, he has been a bully lately and in the past as well. He is entertaining, but he does not need to be so snide and rude unnecessarily.

I for once am glad the moderators finally did something about him. And I think the majority of us here are as well. Sorry man, but Jet needs to chill out a little and stop attacking for no reason.

You are his buddy, so defend him all day, but his aggressive behaviour is unnecessary.

 

[WholeLottaGame7]

And your are another CA1 with a lot to learn.

You guys want a sanitary forum where nobody gets their feelings hurt and guess what, it's here and you are chasing away one f your best resources.

I never implied that I didn't. And if JPP has something to teach, which I know he does (and has), then I am all ears. I am simply saying that many of his recent posts are devoid of anything resembling utility.

If I were a mindless glutton for punishment, I would have gone into surgery

 

[michigangirl]

And nobody's right ALL the time. You're talking about him like he's Jesus H. Christ, for goodness' sake.

The old Jet was awesome. The new Jet just seems...unmedicated.

This. I'm not sure what happened, but I agree that back in the day Jet was interesting, controversial, but also...helpful, thought-provoking and was a major component to what made this forum great and fun to follow. More recently, it seems like something has gone wrong. I haven't gone grocery shopping with the guy or ran into him on the track, so I (and I'm going to go out on a limb and say 99% of the rest of us) can't envision the personality, the "caring" behind the words, even with all the bold, prolific style that some seem to see as the end all be all, "I can say whatever I want" and people think its the gospel kind of talk-- which apparently some do.

It's not a resident forum, med stud forum, attending forum. Its a forum for all who have any interest in anesthesiology. You can "ignore" opinion posts, but you can't help but be frustrated with the forum when folks fling around useless derogatory comments and make fun of people for no reason. It creates a caustic environment and discourages new members.

Opinion post= I think it's great to invest in cigarettes, or you'll never be a ROKKSTAR because you decided to have a baby during residency and go into academics for its flexibility. opinion-- he's entitled to it.

Stupid post= HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you're a first year resident with a stupid question and you have a lot to learn about being an anesthesiologist 🙄
not exactly thought provoking or productive to the forum. If he is one of the "fathers of the forum," then he's had a strange way of showing it recently.

 

[doctor712]

I haven't gone grocery shopping with the guy or ran into him on the track, so I (and I'm going to go out on a limb and say 99% of the rest of us) can't envision the personality, the "caring" behind the words, even with all the bold, prolific style that some seem to see as the end all be all, "I can say whatever I want" and people think its the gospel kind of talk-- which apparently some do.

call em up. go for coffee with him. you'll find the caring behind the words. really, i mean that.

It's not a resident forum, med stud forum, attending forum. Its a forum for all who have any interest in anesthesiology. You can "ignore" opinion posts, but you can't help but be frustrated with the forum when folks fling around useless derogatory comments and make fun of people for no reason. It creates a caustic environment and discourages new members.

Alas, a Jet dissenter who KNOWS WHAT the forum is for... pay attention IgnatiusJ. You don't have to dig your heels too deep into the sandbox sand.

he does not need to be so snide and rude unnecessarily.

Gotta have parity. There's a lot of that around here. Alligator skin. I think more people here need to grow some. Treat this place like the break room. Seriously. The good, the medical, the personal. BOOM. When you weigh the pros and cons, WOW, the pros are so much more important. SO much more.

I've known Jet since 1994 ... by pure coincidence we were on peds and OB rotations at the same outlying hospitals at the same time. We moved to the same town (again coincidentally) in the mid-90s and would run into each other at the store, at the running track, etc, from time to time. He would occasionally moonlight in the ER at my hospital. I had the pleasure of working for his group in the last decade.
Jet is one of those unique, rare, multi-faceted, multi-talented individuals whose interests and tastes go in a million directions at the same time, and he's very good at every single one of them. He is just that gifted, including his entertaining and complex use of the English language, subtle double-entendres, not-quite-obvious humor, black humor, and calling the truth for what it is. At the same time he is one of the most generous, caring, and altruistic individuals I've ever met, and he's a damned good anesthesiologist. He's one of those anesthesiologists who isn't just a well-trained practitioner or well-educated scientist. I put him in the category of anesthesiology "artist." That's an understatement.
Perhaps his posts would come across slightly differently if spoken in person. I read his posts as if I'm hearing him speaking out loud as I know him, his mentation, his inflections, and his tone of voice. I can assure you there's not a malevolent thought or intent in him.
And, he truly cares about his patients, his coworkers, and his profession for everyone's best interest. If his posts come across as abrasive it's because HE CARES, and it's his way of showing it without meaning to be directly abrasive. He's too much the diplomat for that.

Amen. I know Jet personally. He is one of the most kind dudes out there. Believe it, or not. We've gone to each other for so much guidance and advice in our lives, the man is a MENSCH. Here, on this board, he calls it like he sees it. TOUGH LOVE ONLY. And apparently, that is being frowned upon of late. Board's loss. Let me restate, if EVERYONE on this board were banned for speaking out of line, or sharing a NON-PC opinion, or calling names, we'd all have been banned at one time or another. To think that me and Copro made it through unscathed, and then Jet gets this treatment? People. DO YOU REMEMBER THE WINTER OF 09-10? It was ATOMIC. Then the woman and the Ketamine fight? Heck, CFDAVID had to go WAYYYYY overboard before he got it. Sheesh.

Because make no mistake, you're the only one trying to gain the moderators attention right now.

Nope, a few of us are. And surely a few would like to but won't.

Jet is currently on the "ignore" list for me, also.

I call Bull-Shlaka. I doubt it.

Please, just quick ignore and you won't have to deal with me..

Irony has many faces, don't it? Great advice, take it.

We get it. But don't for a second tell me, a free-thinking man, who I need to listen to and who I do not. That's for me to decide. Not you. And if you have a problem with what I just said, press 'ignore' on me. Because I already have one narcissist to deal with on this site already. Have a good night, ladies and gentlemen.

Wisdom comes with age, not youth. And 20,000 procedures or whatever the heck Jet has. I'd listen. Food for thought.

PS. This is a resident forum. And that needs to be emphasized as well. It's great for all topics of discussion, but residents should have a proper voice here to prevent arrogance from reigning down from above.

Arrogance, on your part noted. It begs the question, "YOU" are telling "us" what and who this forum is for? WAAAAA-HE-HE. WAAAAA-HEE-HEE.
If you are that, "inside the box", then, well, lemme, yeah, it all makes sense now.

That resident was me, and no, I didn't get my feelings hurt. I do feel that Jet has some growing up to do, however.
If it makes this place a better place to censor him (which I believe it does), then he needs his posting privileges taken away. If he's going to act like a kid, he's going to be treated like one. I think he has made fair points in the past, but that doesn't excuse some of his behavior.

Note this one people. Ignatius and his 55 posts coming up in here all, "censor" Jet, with his swagger and his game. Sheewwwwt. Dictatorial and all PGY-1 of him. Some people have the utmost ability to undermine any semblance of a foundation for their argument. Grain of salt.

Jet has a lot of time and effort invested in this forum. He does bring many years of clinical experience in PP to the table.... he even has experience with starting up a group from scratch. Been reading his posts for years. I still enjoy them. If u don't, then simply use the ignore function.

I second this. (Of course). Right? Right. I've both ignored and been ignored (surely). What a wonderful tool to use. Rather than the least effective: censoring a PUBLIC forum. One of the leaders, who, at time, provokes discussion in his unique way. Shame on Jet, shame, shame on him. Bad, bad Jet.

I'm less concerned by the name-calling than the non-productivity.

If that's the case, then Jet NEVER should have been banned. If everyone "non-productive" were up for a ban, there would BE no forum.
Sometimes we talk about residency, PP vs. academia, but then there are...CARS, GUNS, SCOTCH, do I really need to continue. The point of a FORUM is a place for the "Free Exchange of Information." Here there are some limits. But it should, and is, and HAS BEEN, a wonderfully busy break-room for EVERYONE. From Pre-Meds to those ready to retire. Believe me, there is NO WAY Jet was banned for not being productive. No, Frigging, Way.

For the record, I just think censoring, and I know the mods feel the same way, is REALLY the last and final route. when all else has failed. Nobody wants to limit the ability to freely share thoughts and ideas on an anonymous internet forum. Especially with one of its leaders. Give a warning. Bite the bullet. This was a Clinton impeachment, and everyone knows what happened to Clinton's popularity after we all found out what he did in the Oval Office. Oh yeah, NOTHING. But our Legislature got it out of its system, and here too, Jet will be fine.

D712

 

[okayplayer]

Whenever D712 posts about Jet like this it reminds me of Stevie from Eastbound and Down.

 

[IDBasco]

Whenever D712 posts about Jet like this it reminds me of Stevie from Eastbound and Down.

Makes me wonder how many user accounts jet actually has. 🙂

 

[doctor712]

Ok and IDb,
Yeah, I'm Jet. U caught me. And if ur going to reference tv shows, try using one with an audience around the world. Something a little less obscure.
Like those I've written for.
oh, and u bore me. Get some personality and a voice with something interesting to say.
Yawn.
D712

 

[loveoforganic]

Not going to comment on the account hold, just something I've noticed I want to comment on, as a more or less lurker here with no real ties to anyone.

JPP, you have a lot of experience/knowledge, and it seems like you have a real desire to try to pass that on to others here. That's awesome. Your delivery sometimes sucks, and it isn't the stream of consciousness series of text and emphases it comes out as (although that does personally make my eyes bleed just a little bit). Whether or not you intend to, you can sometimes come across as demeaning, and that's really counterproductive to what I hope it is you're trying to accomplish. People will shrug you off as a dick and your knowledge with it. Instead of "DUDE, your method is sorry, let me tell you bout how the ROKKSTARZZ DO IT," maybe try "I see what you're thinking, but let me tell you about the way how I do it and why I do it that way so you can expand your repertoire and have some extra tools in your bag" only with that JPP flair tacked on.

To some of the other (unnamed) people here, quit bickering like little bit**es, jfc.

 

[fakin' the funk]

Jet is put on post hold for speaking the truth!

What has this forum come to?

Moderators, please! An explanation would be nice. 😕

This thread as a whole is pretty terrible (and probably could be closed itself), but I wanted to throw my support behind WholeLottaGame in that he/she is offering a voice of reason and attempting to throw out a possible and reasonable explanation why JPP got put on hold.

To Noyac: it's possible that JPP is Jesus himself while ALSO being an aggressive and bullying poster on this here forum. I know it's tough to handle the cognitive dissonance there. I also think the people who wanted to proceed with the obese-lady-on-plavix-for-rotator-cuff case in the other clinical thread would disagree with the phrase "Jet is right ALL the time."

 

[Trisomy13]

Ok and IDb,
Yeah, I'm Jet. U caught me. And if ur going to reference tv shows, try using one with an audience around the world. Something a little less obscure.
Like those I've written for.
oh, and u bore me. Get some personality and a voice with something interesting to say.
Yawn.
D712

No, an Eastbound and Down reference was about the only thing that made this thread worth reading.

 

[Robert Loblaw]

i would think that if we all stopped to consider what another of the fathers of this forum (UTSW) is going through, perhaps we could gain some perspective and realize how silly this nonsense is. that goes for the both sets of pugilists.

one of the most important lessons for the young residents to learn and for the older attending aces to remember is that ego is not your friend in this business.

 

[sevoflurane]

i would think that if we all stopped to consider what another of the fathers of this forum (UTSW) is going through, perhaps we could gain some perspective and realize how silly this nonsense is. that goes for the both sets of pugilists.

one of the most important lessons for the young residents to learn and for the older attending aces to remember is that ego is not your friend in this business.

Great post man.

We should all take stock in that... and work towards making this forum the best it can be.

I think that is what we ALL want.

 

[RT2MD]

To some of the other (unnamed) people here, quit bickering like little bit**es, jfc.

🤣🤣

i would think that if we all stopped to consider what another of the fathers of this forum (UTSW) is going through, perhaps we could gain some perspective and realize how silly this nonsense is. that goes for the both sets of pugilists.

one of the most important lessons for the young residents to learn and for the older attending aces to remember is that ego is not your friend in this business.

Good post. It is silly, it is nonsense. I've never met JPP in real life, perhaps someday I will, but he has helped me. As a "lowly" pre-med, he gave me advice and a desire to make my dream of becoming an anesthesiologist a reality. After I was accepted into school, he has still helped me out many times... even if his advice isn't aimed directly at me, many of his posts have been thought provoking.

I think what has happened here is that the forum had gotten a little dull... Jet is trying to inject some life back into it. Is his approach soft spoken and politically correct? NO! When have those terms ever applied to JPP's online persona? If people don't like it, the ignore button can work wonders.

I have been away from the forum for a little bit these last few months, but the little bit that I see now makes it seem like JPP is being censored for his opinion more than anything else. Maybe I am wrong, maybe I'm not... I do know that I would not have been nearly as active in this forum if JPP hadn't been around. Thanks for that.

-RT2MD

(Nice to hear from you d712!)

 

[Ignatius J]

i would think that if we all stopped to consider what another of the fathers of this forum (UTSW) is going through, perhaps we could gain some perspective and realize how silly this nonsense is. that goes for the both sets of pugilists.

one of the most important lessons for the young residents to learn and for the older attending aces to remember is that ego is not your friend in this business.

👍

Amen to that, brother.

 

[Gern Blansten]

Maybe you guys are onto something. I found this photo of Jet and the resemblance is striking. The sterile technique leaves a lot to be desired though.

I am glad his disciples are here to carry on his teachings. If he rises from the SDN grave on day three, I am seriously gonna freak out. That would be way too weird.

 

[Bertelman]

Maybe you guys are onto something. I found this photo of Jet and the resemblance is striking. The sterile technique leaves a lot to be desired though.

I am glad his disciples are here to carry on his teachings. If he rises from the SDN grave on day three, I am seriously gonna freak out. That would be way too weird.

LOL.

You know, the exposure would be better if Jesus would move his head. He's clearly blocking the overheads with the left side of his face. Look at the glow!

 

[TeamZissou]

This. I'm not sure what happened, but I agree that back in the day Jet was interesting, controversial, but also...helpful, thought-provoking and was a major component to what made this forum great and fun to follow. More recently, it seems like something has gone wrong. I haven't gone grocery shopping with the guy or ran into him on the track, so I (and I'm going to go out on a limb and say 99% of the rest of us) can't envision the personality, the "caring" behind the words, even with all the bold, prolific style that some seem to see as the end all be all, "I can say whatever I want" and people think its the gospel kind of talk-- which apparently some do.

It's not a resident forum, med stud forum, attending forum. Its a forum for all who have any interest in anesthesiology. You can "ignore" opinion posts, but you can't help but be frustrated with the forum when folks fling around useless derogatory comments and make fun of people for no reason. It creates a caustic environment and discourages new members.

Opinion post= I think it's great to invest in cigarettes, or you'll never be a ROKKSTAR because you decided to have a baby during residency and go into academics for its flexibility. opinion-- he's entitled to it.

Stupid post= HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you're a first year resident with a stupid question and you have a lot to learn about being an anesthesiologist 🙄
not exactly thought provoking or productive to the forum. If he is one of the "fathers of the forum," then he's had a strange way of showing it recently.

Gonna have to throw my weight behind this.

I don't care what side you're on, Stevie from Eastbound and Down was hilarious

But seriously, the reference to UTSW hits home, lets get back to business shall we?

 

[epidural man]

i would think that if we all stopped to consider what another of the fathers of this forum (UTSW) is going through, perhaps we could gain some perspective and realize how silly this nonsense is. that goes for the both sets of pugilists.

one of the most important lessons for the young residents to learn and for the older attending aces to remember is that ego is not your friend in this business.

Blah Blah Blah...

(Just kidding - this is the first time I noticed a post from you....love the user name...love the show).

 

[epidural man]

Moderators, please! An explanation would be nice. 😕

I think an explanation is more than just nice..I think at this point it is expected.

Moderators...have at it! The floor is yours.

 

[epidural man]

Jet is put on post hold for speaking the truth!

What has this forum come to?

Moderators, please! An explanation would be nice. 😕

Or...at least say you refuse to explain, then I will stop asking.

 

[Planktonmd]

I wonder if any of the moderators and admins attempted to actually talk to Jet before taking action against him?
Was it really necessary to put him on hold?
Is this a message to all of us old timers that this (as someone said above) is a resident forum and we don't belong here anymore?

 

[epidural man]

Moderators -

You're up.

 

[pgg]

I think an explanation is more than just nice..I think at this point it is expected.

Moderators...have at it! The floor is yours.

Or...at least say you refuse to explain, then I will stop asking.

Moderators -

You're up.

SDN's policy and basic politeness prohibit us from publicly commenting on specific acts of moderation. This is not a new policy or an attempt to dodge discussion - it truly, genuinely is an expression of respect for all involved. Short of actual bans, any individual user who is the subject of moderation is absolutely free to discuss as much or as little of the events as they choose. (In the case of post-holds, which are temporary, the available medium is PM.)


I've posted about my general feelings toward moderation a number of times in the past, including very recently; beyond the above, those comments will have to suffice.

Is this a message to all of us old timers that this (as someone said above) is a resident forum and we don't belong here anymore?

No.

 

[Doctor4Life1769]

 

[Ignatius J]

I wonder if any of the moderators and admins attempted to actually talk to Jet before taking action against him?
Was it really necessary to put him on hold?
Is this a message to all of us old timers that this (as someone said above) is a resident forum and we don't belong here anymore?

Just want to clarify- never did I say that "old timers" (or newbies) should not post here. I think you're being melodramatic. I think attending physician input is vital to the pulse of this forum. No two ways about that.

 

[Nooblet]

Why doesn't he just make a new username and post again? No big deal

 

[IlDestriero]

Why doesn't he just make a new username and post again? No big deal

He's not banned, just suspended. he'll be back in a few days, maybe a couple weeks?
Assuming he wants to.

 

[Planktonmd]

Just want to clarify- never did I say that "old timers" (or newbies) should not post here. I think you're being melodramatic. I think attending physician input is vital to the pulse of this forum. No two ways about that.

"Melodramatic".... Are you sure you are an anesthesia resident?

 

[Gern Blansten]

"Melodramatic".... Are you sure you are an anesthesia resident?

I know a lot of residents and many of them know these types of big words. Learning big words is very popular with the young people. If you aren't sure what it means, look it up. Not everyone can be a sesquipedalian.

 

[Planktonmd]

A few years ago I was one of the first people who called for this forum to become more civil and to give juniors and students more respect, but I never wanted it to become a censored playground where everyone is politically correct and non confrontational!
If we don't challenge each and piss each other off then no one will learn anything and we might as well turn it into a some kind of pansy club.
I hated Miltary MD, he was arrogant and irritating, but you know what, he made me think and made me reconsider a few things.
He was a smart dude, and I respect him for that.
Jet and I were not always friends but I tremendously enjoyed his posts and learned from him.
Noyac was the most balanced guy among us I guess, but we had our disagreements and I still learned from him.
Coprolalia was my enemy on this forum and we shredded each other publicly but you know, I loved his persistence and I leaned from him too.
The bottom line we all attacked each other, called each other names, and got really mean but we also learned from each other and taught people a few things in the process.
It really annoys me to see this forum becoming another boring SDN parking lot where people post their stagnant and irrelevant contributions.
But if that's how the admins and mods want it to be then be it, at the end of the day it's your forum and we are just guests here.

 

[Arch Guillotti]

Plankton my friend -

Nobody is remotely talking about "censorship" here, I can guarantee you that.

This forum has historically been "lightly" moderated but the sticky from Lee at the top of the page says it all so I won't repeat it here.

Collectively, the three area mods have been on SDN an average of probably over 10 years. None of us make rash decisions and we all try to be as level headed and fair as possible. We all feel that the forum for the most part does a very good job of maintaining homeostasis all by itself most of the time. There are always going to be periodic dustups no matter what. Nobody is going to agree with us all of the time, but we hear everything you and everyone else is saying loud and clear.

A few years ago I was one of the first people who called for this forum to become more civil and to give juniors and students more respect, but I never wanted it to become a censored playground where everyone is politically correct and non confrontational!
If we don't challenge each and piss each other off then no one will learn anything and we might as well turn it into a some kind of pansy club.
I hated Miltary MD, he was arrogant and irritating, but you know what, he made me think and made me reconsider a few things.
He was a smart dude, and I respect him for that.
Jet and I were not always friends but I tremendously enjoyed his posts and learned from him.
Noyac was the most balanced guy among us I guess, but we had our disagreements and I still learned from him.
Coprolalia was my enemy on this forum and we shredded each other publicly but you know, I loved his persistence and I leaned from him too.
The bottom line we all attacked each other, called each other names, and got really mean but we also learned from each other and taught people a few things in the process.
It really annoys me to see this forum becoming another boring SDN parking lot where people post their stagnant and irrelevant contributions.
But if that's how the admins and mods want it to be then be it, at the end of the day it's your forum and we are just guests here.

 

[ucsfgaspain]

Haven't been back in a while. But saw this post. Just wanted to give you newer guys my 2 cents. I trained at one of the "top" residency programs but I have to tell you some of the best pearls of wisdom I have gained have been on this forum. The attendings on this forum know their stuff and practice out in the REAL WORLD. I could easily call up my residency attendings and ask them for their opinions, but let's be frank...private practice and academic practice are COMPLETELY Different ANIMALS. Your professors practice in a very different setting than those of us out in the "real" world.



Listen to JPP, Sevo, Plank Noyac, Copro, Blade, etc. They may not agree all the time but almost everything they write has a reason behind it. Youv'e heard the saying that you can do an anesthetic a thousand different ways, you can... but what you guys need to figure is what way works best for you.

I don't always agree with everything that is being said but I have the maturity/wisdom to know that what works for me doesn't work for others. The other thing you have to realize is that you practice will totally evolve...I thought that I was the **** in residency after 3rd year i.e. at the peak of my game. I practice totally differently now (10 years after fellowship). I can't even compare what I did before with what I do now. It literally is like I was in little league back then. You may think that I'm being melodramatic. But this old fart here thinks it would be a shame if you discount the advice or input from the older folks.

I seriously use JPP and numerous others' opinions as a barometer of how current my own practice is. THAT is HOW much respect I have for their clinical acumen.

Now in terms of feelings getting hurt...it comes with the territory...I was first accused of being a CRNA troll when I first came on...kind of funny looking back at it...Take the bad with the good because you will find out that the GOOD massively outweights any negativity.

JPP is an asset to this site.