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Hi LizzyM,

There has been a lot of discussion on other posts about when submitting an application is "too late". However, I haven't come across any definitive answers. So, when would you say is "too late"?

I've been fortunate enough to be accepted into one of my top choice MD schools, however, I can't help but wonder whether an earlier submission would have substantially helped me get more interviews than I have now (I had to take a late MCAT since I completed my postbac in July). I don't have stellar numbers and submitted my secondaries late August/ early September. My rationalization is that in the 2-3 months I missed out on applying (i.e. June/July/Aug) thousands of people applied before me. Thus, a candidate of equal caliber in June might have gotten an interview invite while by the time I applied apprx 4,000 people like me had already applied to a specific school and now many of the offers to people like me had already gone out.

I know this is a moot point for me at this point, but I'm just curious especially for other people looking to apply next year.
 
LizzyM said:
While it is not unusual to have letters from undergraduate faculty, it is not unreasonable for an applicant to have letters from employers, post-bac facutly, masters degree faculty, and others who have interacted with the applicant since college graduation.
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Thanks again!

Congrats on 10,000!
 
RedSox10 said:
Hi LizzyM,

There has been a lot of discussion on other posts about when submitting an application is "too late". However, I haven't come across any definitive answers. So, when would you say is "too late"?

I've been fortunate enough to be accepted into one of my top choice MD schools, however, I can't help but wonder whether an earlier submission would have substantially helped me get more interviews than I have now (I had to take a late MCAT since I completed my postbac in July). I don't have stellar numbers and submitted my secondaries late August/ early September. My rationalization is that in the 2-3 months I missed out on applying (i.e. June/July/Aug) thousands of people applied before me. Thus, a candidate of equal caliber in June might have gotten an interview invite while by the time I applied apprx 4,000 people like me had already applied to a specific school and now many of the offers to people like me had already gone out.

I know this is a moot point for me at this point, but I'm just curious especially for other people looking to apply next year.
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Obviously, your schedule was not "too late" at at least one school because you were successful in getting admitted there. You mention a post-bac and I do know that we tend to get an influx of applications from highly qualified non-traditional students in the late summer/early fall. This is anticiapated and planned for in terms of handing out interviews. Ditto the handing out of offers. We pace ourselves throughout the season-- some schools make all the decisions at the end so as not to short-change the last group of applicants.

I am almost finished reading supplementals submitted in November. I do feel as if that was "late" but we do have interview invites and offer letters in the cards for some of those applicants so even that is not "too late" for a lucky few.
 
Hi LizzyM, I sent a letter of intent to a school I interviewed in October about a month ago, but I haven't heard back from them yet. Would it seem excessive for me to send another update letter/interest letter at this point?
 
LizzyM said:
You earned a 3.4 at your upper tier school. If you earn a 3.5 or higher at CUNY, adcoms will assume you did better because the students at CUNY, on average, are not as talented as those at your undergrad institution. If you do as well or worse than you did in undergrad, well then your gpa is 3.4 or less, which is not so hot. Frankly, without getting into a "what are my chances" discussion, I think that your chances at a top tier school (top 10-20) are slim. Better to prepare the heck out of the MCAT and apply to schols in your LizzyM range.

Another option might be to get a job in a lab at a private university in NYC that offers a tuition discount for employees who take night school classes as students at large. I'm not sure if there are any schools that would fit that bill but it would help with your expeneses.

With regard to financial aid, I have no responsibility for financial aid and I've never seen the types of financial aid pacakages that are offered to admitted students.
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Dear lizzym,

I realized that my last post could have been interpreted as an WAMC post; I am really sorry as a result for the confusion. 😳

I really would like your insight on two other aspects regarding coursework and an application;specifically, if a student who went to a competitive undergrad decides to have a dual-enrollment in different schools of various prestige in a do-it-yourself postbac (one being an ivy/competitive school and another being a public (state/city school) in a given semester due to financial reasons/a course being closed at one school but open at another, etc, do adcoms generally frown upon this and prefer the student to take all their classes in a given semester at a given school? Or would it be best to do all the do-it-yourself-postbac courses at one place?

Additionally, if the student is taking courses at a less perceived school via a postbac, yet had an upward trend in their previous undergrad/is enrolled in the less prestigious school strictly due to academic enhancement reasons/to further show an upward, will this still generally be frowned upon by the adcom at a top tier ?

Your clarfication would be appreciated. Thank you once again/apologies once again.
 
How important are LORs? Do LORs only serve to screen out bad applicants or can they be a significant boost to an application? Are LORs more important in determining who to offer an interview or who to offer an acceptance (or both)?
 
I am not asking you to read my ps, but I would need your advice on which topic I should choose when answering this question.

For the question (1), it is asking me about my medical career choice, so I chose Academic Medicine, wrote about my experience of working as a volunteer at Neurology Department, and explained why am I suitable for academia and what skills and attitudes I have developed. But, I am ambivalent about question (2). It is asking me to identify and describe one area of my accomplishments I feel best reflects my potential as a future physician.

Topic 1: Due to 2,000 character limit in all questions, I decided to supplement question (1) by writing about my activities at the department. They are shadowing, attending grand rounds, reading papers, and submitting my research proposal to the neuro faculty members. They said, "though some revisions must be made, it is publishable, applicable, means a lot to the field and meritorious." (I assume that they gave me fulsome praise cause I am just a premed.) Then I state that since the creation of new knowledge is the prime importance in academia, this achievement highlights my potential as an academic physician.

Topic 2: I am also thinking about my volunteering exp with Big Bro and Big Sis. I mentored a third grade male student living in indigent community and at single mother household for a year. (until his family moved out of my town) I tried to strengthen his math and modify his disrespectful, disruptive behavior at school. Then he somehow became a student of the month.

Which topic do you think is more suitable to the question (2)?


Question (6) is similar to question (2). It is asking me to describe a time in my life when I felt I was at my best and why I chose this event. I am thinking about Topic 1 or 2 to answer this question.

thank you very much!! 🙂
 
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johnnytheman said:
Hi LizzyM, I sent a letter of intent to a school I interviewed in October about a month ago, but I haven't heard back from them yet. Would it seem excessive for me to send another update letter/interest letter at this point?
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Yes. Did the school tell you when you might hear a response?
 
polyploidy516 said:
Dear LizzyM,

I realized that my last post could have been interpreted as an WAMC post; I am really sorry as a result for the confusion. 😳

I really would like your insight on two other aspects regarding coursework and an application;specifically, if a student who went to a competitive undergrad decides to have a dual-enrollment in different schools of various prestige in a do-it-yourself postbac (one being an ivy/competitive school and another being a public (state/city school) in a given semester due to financial reasons/a course being closed at one school but open at another, etc, do adcoms generally frown upon this and prefer the student to take all their classes in a given semester at a given school? Or would it be best to do all the do-it-yourself-postbac courses at one place?

Additionally, if the student is taking courses at a less perceived school via a postbac, yet had an upward trend in their previous undergrad/is enrolled in the less prestigious school strictly due to academic enhancement reasons/to further show an upward, will this still generally be frowned upon by the adcom at a top tier ?
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By a post-bac, do you meant taking the pre-requisites for medical school admission or taking additional classes?
 
by post-bac, i meant taking upper division science classes as I have already completed the pre-reqs at my undergrad school. additionally, as there were 2-3 prereqs that I did not score highly in (C/C+) due to extenuating circumstances at that time, I was planning on retaking them at a school similar to my undergrad prestige while taking some upper division classes (neuro, microbio, etc) at either the public school (state/city) or the private/ivy. your clarification would be really appreciated. thank you once again.
 
muhali3 said:
How important are LORs? Do LORs only serve to screen out bad applicants or can they be a significant boost to an application? Are LORs more important in determining who to offer an interview or who to offer an acceptance (or both)?
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They rarely screen out an applicant. Sometimes they offer information that isn't available elsewhere that fleshes out a story of remarkable fortitude. I recall one guy who didn't go right to college, ended up working in the hole at Ground Zero, and went on from there to complete a college degree. He did not tell that story in his PS but his pre-med advisor explained it in his letter.

Some schools read the letters before making interview invites and some read them afterward so whether it plays into the invite decision or the admission decision depends on the school.
 
libraryismyhome said:
I am not asking you to read my ps, but I would need your advice on which topic I should choose when answering this question.

For the question (1), it is asking me about my medical career choice, so I chose Academic Medicine, wrote about my experience of working as a volunteer at Neurology Department, and explained why am I suitable for academia and what skills and attitudes I have developed. But, I am ambivalent about question (2). It is asking me to identify and describe one area of my accomplishments I feel best reflects my potential as a future physician.

Topic 1: Due to 2,000 character limit in all questions, I decided to supplement question (1) by writing about my activities at the department. They are shadowing, attending grand rounds, reading papers, and submitting my research proposal to the neuro faculty members. They said, "though some revisions must be made, it is publishable, applicable, means a lot to the field and meritorious." (I assume that they gave me fulsome praise cause I am just a premed.) Then I state that since the creation of new knowledge is the prime importance in academia, this achievement highlights my potential as an academic physician.

Topic 2: I am also thinking about my volunteering exp with Big Bro and Big Sis. I mentored a third grade male student living in indigent community and at single mother household for a year. (until his family moved out of my town) I tried to strengthen his math and modify his disrespectful, disruptive behavior at school. Then he somehow became a student of the month.

Which topic do you think is more suitable to the question (2)?


Question (6) is similar to question (2). It is asking me to describe a time in my life when I felt I was at my best and why I chose this event. I am thinking about Topic 1 or 2 to answer this question.

thank you very much!! 🙂
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It is asking about how you felt. I don't know how you felt or how you feel. You need to answer these questions yourself. I can't tell you how you are feeling or how you felt.
 
polyploidy516 said:
by post-bac, i meant taking upper division science classes as I have already completed the pre-reqs at my undergrad school. additionally, as there were 2-3 prereqs that I did not score highly in (C/C+) due to extenuating circumstances at that time, I was planning on retaking them at a school similar to my undergrad prestige while taking some upper division classes (neuro, microbio, etc) at either the public school (state/city) or the private/ivy. your clarification would be really appreciated. thank you once again.
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I really have no opinion as my experience with applications with that type of an academic career is extremely limited. Maybe someone with an academic record such as your own who was successful in gaining admission to med school could advise you. The non-trad forum might have someone who can help.
 
Being discharged from military basic training due to asthma...

Would it matter if I left this out or would I have to explain the 2 month time gap?

Would it be viewed negatively?
 
LizzyM said:
A small blemish is what I call a zit. Awhile back I got a PM from an applicant who had a college gpa <3.0 and post bac of 4.0 and MCAT >38. Here's what I wrote in response:

Your situation is not a zit, it is a scar that runs from your earlobe to your chin. The adcom will be begging to know what happened and how you survived.

The story is not so much how you got slashed but how you turned things around and came back against overwhelming odds and triumphed. It could be a great story and I hope you'll write it.

Congrats on the great performance on the MCAT and in the post-bac. Some post-bac schools will send great committee letters that will tell your story in a very sympathetic way (based on your interview with your advisor).

I recently got a nice thank you note from the applicant to tell me of great success this cycle. 👍
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Great. Thanks so much for this comment! It helps a lot and gives me hope that I can somehow make up for my undergrad mistakes.
 
American Shero said:
Being discharged from military basic training due to asthma...

Would it matter if I left this out or would I have to explain the 2 month time gap?

Would it be viewed negatively?
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I think there is a check box for that (military service) and you are obligated to report & explain. I can't see it being held against you. Better than letting them think you were in your parents' basement for two months playing Gears of War.
 
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LizzyM said:
I think there is a check box for that (military service) and you are obligated to report & explain. I can't see it being held against you. Better than letting the think you were in your parents' basement for two months playing Gears of War.
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How are you familiar with these things.....
 
Hey LizzyM....postbac or master's for someone who screwed up undergrad and has already taken premed reqs but still wants to be competitive enough to apply?
 
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whatsupdoc89 said:
Hey LizzyM...I have a funky question for ya. I was at a CC for 2 years until I transferred to a four year school. During my time in CC I was trying to "find myself" and was a Liberal Arts major- I came to start my premed reqs only after transferring and it turns out the classes I took cover all of my electives needed in the new major at the four year school. Basically as a Bio major I only have science classes left to take but I feel that it would be extremely difficult to take these at the same time. In an effort to save money as opposed to taking classes that I dont really need...is it acceptable to take 3 classes in a semester so that I am able to handle the science intensive courses? So far I've taken 2 science and 2 electives each semester. I'd love your opinion on the matter....thanks!
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You will be compared to students at your school and other schools who took a very full load (15-17 credits per semester). You may do well taking a light load but compared with students who did as well or better taking a full load, how will that look? If you are doing it to save money, find something to do with your time to make it the equivalent of a full course load (such as 15-20 hrs/wk of research or employment).
 
whatsupdoc89 said:
Hey LizzyM....postbac or master's for someone who screwed up undergrad and has already taken premed reqs but still wants to be competitive enough to apply?
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The advice I heard given by a former Dean was to take upper level science classes at the undergrad level as a student-at-large (non-degree seeking student). As I understand it, that's not the same as "post-bac" which is for people who don't have all the pre-reqs for med school.

Depending on how bad the undergrad record is, it might make sense to explore osteopathic schools and retake the pre-reqs for grade replacement.
 
How are things like ADHD viewed by adcoms? If someone was diagnosed with it late in college and it could possibly explain poor performance, would it be more harmful to bring it up or leave it out and attribute poor performance to a lack of focus?.. (considering the person has performed well in an MS program.)

Gracias 😀
 
LizzyM said:
No, but you must take them at the school you attend during the academic year or an equally ranked school and not a school that is less prestigious. Also, if you are doing this to make things easier, be advised that more rigorous semesters do say something about your ability to handle the work. Also, summer courses tend to be more fast paced and full of pre-meds! Some people have been unpleasantly surprised by the quality of instruction in the summer, too. Be sure to check ratemyprofessor before you plow into a summer section.
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Hi LizzyM,

What about classes taken while being dual-enrolled in high school? I was able to complete many of the pre-reqs (English, gen chem, calc I + stats) while being dual-enrolled at a 4-year public university that has little to no name recognition. I'm now at an Ivy that hasn't taken any transfer credit, so I'm starting as a normal freshman. Would it look bad to top schools if I didn't retake those pre-reqs at the more prestigious university that I'm enrolled in now, or will it not matter since I'm taking the harder pre-reqs and upper-level bio courses at the more prestigious school? I'm hoping to not have to take those courses again and have more flexibility to try other subjects.
 
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Another non-traditional question. I'm working full time and because of my fiancee's residency commitment I'm in no rush to get my prerequisites done. As such I've decided to take one class a quarter until I'm ready to apply so we can move together once she's done to wherever I can get in and she can get a job.

Is taking one class at a time a bad thing? This is an a la carte post-bac. I'm not piddling my time away outside of class either- f/t job plus all sorts of hobbies and volunteering. I believe I've demonstrated the ability to handle a difficult and busy curriculum in prior coursework, if that's a concern, but not sure if there are other reasons it might be better to do more than one at a time.
 
Hey LizzyM quick question,

how much does a double major matter? both of my majors relate to my research and are kind of similar fields (bcs neurobio and economics). is it wise for me to afford a lower gpa because of double majoring?
 
Hey LizzyM, thanks for this awesome thread!

1) What are your thoughts on "backloading?" I'm a bio major with a humanities side. So I'm halfway through junior year having completed all pre-reqs except Orgo II but only 1 upper level bio class. I'm taking two bio classes during this spring of my junior year though. I wasn't intentionally leaving "difficult" classes for my major such as biochem and genetics until my senior year, it sorta just happened because I like taking at least 2 humanities courses per semester...Will this type of thing work against me?

2) How bad are flat B's at the top tier school you're at? I'm at an Ivy and I have 2 B's so far halfway through my third year but have still maintained a 3.8 cGPA and 3.7 BCPM. I'm aiming for top 20 schools like the one you're at.

3) Do you like it when students provide links to themselves? For example, I'm an online sportswriter and I wanted to see if I should put a link to my article archive in my activities descriptions. I want to be as open, transparent, and honest as possible in this process.

4) I'm a guy, and I was wondering how closely you look at interview attire. It seems like everyone on SDN is getting tailored suits. I look better in tighter, tailored clothing, but I was wondering if I should put down the money for a fitted suit. Are these small things a big deal or do you just look at whether or not the attire is appropriate and that's it?

THANKS SO MUCH!!
 
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American Shero said:
How are things like ADHD viewed by adcoms? If someone was diagnosed with it late in college and it could possibly explain poor performance, would it be more harmful to bring it up or leave it out and attribute poor performance to a lack of focus?.. (considering the person has performed well in an MS program.)

Gracias 😀
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I don't feel as if I've seen enough applications with that story to be able to say how adcoms would react.
 
neurotroph said:
Hi LizzyM,

What about classes taken while being dual-enrolled in high school? I was able to complete many of the pre-reqs (English, gen chem, calc I + stats) while being dual-enrolled at a 4-year public university that has little to no name recognition. I'm now at an Ivy that hasn't taken any transfer credit, so I'm starting as a normal freshman. Would it look bad to top schools if I didn't retake those pre-reqs at the more prestigious university that I'm enrolled in now, or will it not matter since I'm taking the harder pre-reqs and upper-level bio courses at the more prestigious school? I'm hoping to not have to take those courses again and have more flexibility to try other subjects.
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Apples and oranges. The previous post referred to classes taken after one has matriculated at a top school. In your case, you took classes at a no-name school before matriculating at an Ivy. What we are trying to avoid are the people who go off to Podunk Community College in the summer to take the classes that are weed-out classes at their home university. Those folks might have a gpa that's better than others at their school but they obviously played the system while you did not.
 
dmf2682 said:
Another non-traditional question. I'm working full time and because of my fiancee's residency commitment I'm in no rush to get my prerequisites done. As such I've decided to take one class a quarter until I'm ready to apply so we can move together once she's done to wherever I can get in and she can get a job.

Is taking one class at a time a bad thing? This is an a la carte post-bac. I'm not piddling my time away outside of class either- f/t job plus all sorts of hobbies and volunteering. I believe I've demonstrated the ability to handle a difficult and busy curriculum in prior coursework, if that's a concern, but not sure if there are other reasons it might be better to do more than one at a time.
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If you are a non-trad who is working, etc, then it is perfectly reasonable to take your time doing the pre-reqs. If you've already proven you can handle a full time load, there are no issues.

This is a different situation than the pre-med undergrad who performed poorly and then takes one class per quarter as a post-bac student hoping to show that they have the chops to do well in med school.
 
GooDooG said:
Hey LizzyM quick question,

how much does a double major matter? both of my majors relate to my research and are kind of similar fields (bcs neurobio and economics). is it wise for me to afford a lower gpa because of double majoring?
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A double major is never taken into account when looking at gpa -- at least not by the people I hang with on the adcom. Double major "that's interesting" but they'd rather see a 3.7 in bcs neurobio or a 3.7 in economics than a 3.6 in a double major. YMMV, keep in mind that my adcom experience is limited to just one school.
 
AllDay24 said:
Hey LizzyM, thanks for this awesome thread!

1) What are your thoughts on "backloading?" I'm a bio major with a humanities side. So I'm halfway through junior year having completed all pre-reqs except Orgo II but only 1 upper level bio class. I'm taking two bio classes during this spring of my junior year though. I wasn't intentionally leaving "difficult" classes for my major such as biochem and genetics until my senior year, it sorta just happened because I like taking at least 2 humanities courses per semester...Will this type of thing work against me?
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With your gpa? No, it won't work against you. I can think of at least one (now retired) adcom member at my school who loved applicants who took a wide range of classes including humanities.
2) How bad are flat B's at the top tier school you're at? I'm at an Ivy and I have 2 B's so far halfway through my third year but have still maintained a 3.8 cGPA and 3.7 BCPM. I'm aiming for top 20 schools like the one you're at.
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No big deal.
3) Do you like it when students provide links to themselves? For example, I'm an online sportswriter and I wanted to see if I should put a link to my article archive in my activities descriptions. I want to be as open, transparent, and honest as possible in this process.
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I love it. I can google but it is nice for the applicant to save me the trouble.
4) I'm a guy, and I was wondering how closely you look at interview attire. It seems like everyone on SDN is getting tailored suits. I look better in tighter, tailored clothing, but I was wondering if I should put down the money for a fitted suit. Are these small things a big deal or do you just look at whether or not the attire is appropriate and that's it?

THANKS SO MUCH!!
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The fact that I sat over my coffee cup trying to figure out what you were talking about is indicative of my lack of fashion sense. If you are suggesting that you will interview in something other than a jacket and tie, I'd recommend rethinking that approach. We had an applicant come in recently in something other than a suit and while it didn't bother me, another interviewer had a cow.

Wear a suit. The number of buttons it has and their positions, the cut of the flaps and lapels, the cuff or lack of a cuff on the pants are not a big deal.
 
GooDooG said:
Hey LizzyM quick question,
how much does a double major matter? both of my majors relate to my research and are kind of similar fields (bcs neurobio and economics). is it wise for me to afford a lower gpa because of double majoring?
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I have a question. How annoying is it that people keep asking the same questions over and over without skimming/searching the thread? As a follow up, I can't imagine your pm box full of "unique" situations. How long until you ask a mod to lock the thread?
 
Can you name 5 undergrad schools where YOU think it's the hardest to achieve a high gpa based on your experiences with applications?
 
IlDestriero said:
I have a question. How annoying is it that people keep asking the same questions over and over without skimming/searching the thread? As a follow up, I can't imagine your pm box full of "unique" situations. How long until you ask a mod to lock the thread?
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+1, people should just read this thing or use the handy thread search function to search only within this thread. It says, "search this thread."
 
IlDestriero said:
I have a question. How annoying is it that people keep asking the same questions over and over without skimming/searching the thread? As a follow up, I can't imagine your pm box full of "unique" situations. How long until you ask a mod to lock the thread?
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I'm a mother. I have a high level of tolerance. I'm on holiday through Monday so perhaps Tuesday will be time to go on hiatus.
 
Ive failed three courses this past semester and I'm in my fourth year of uni. I transferred to a new university this year and still have 1.5 years left till I graduate. My GPA was a 2.7 BEFORE this semester and is now something like a 2.45 with 106 credits.

Can I even be a doctor at this point? Or is it time to whip out the apps to McDs and Burger King?
 
LizzyM said:
Reed is the first that comes to mind. Others are:
U Chicago
Carnegie Mellon
Davidson
Harvey Mudd
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Thanks for the quick response Lizzy. Follow up question: what percentage of applicants to your school are from liberal arts colleges and what percentage are from national universities? Just rough estimates would be great
 
I have a dilemma. I am currently in application cycle but given my stats I havent had much success. Or so it seems to me. I am thinking its because of my MCAT score being more than three years old now and the fact that I haven't been in school for 2+ years. If I take the mcat again in the coming year, do well and show my grasp on the material, would that make me a better applicant? Still havent heard from the places where I interviewed thus far but I always plan for the worst. God forbid if I end up on a waitlist somewhere, may be retaking the MCAT can make the difference!? Any advice or constructive thoughts will be appreciated! Thank you!!
 
This question may be more applicable to lower ranked schools, but I will ask anyway just to hear your thoughts. Is there any chance for waitlisted apllicants to receive a scholarship/grant if you are well above those school's LizzyM score? it seems like schools are trending towards waitlisting more applicants and just wondering if it is worthwhile to stay on those lists with the hope of eventually receiving an acceptance and additionally some sort of financial incentive. Or are all the available funds given out early to those with outright acceptances with the hope of keeping them interested in your school, and anyone coming off the waitlists pays full price regardless?
 
LizzyM said:
Reed is the first that comes to mind. Others are:
U Chicago
Carnegie Mellon
Davidson
Harvey Mudd
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that's interesting. would you also include MIT and Princeton among this mix too, or other schools that actively practice grade deflation? i know this has been debated over and over, but do adcoms know that certain schools implement grade deflation policies, and so thus, applicants from those schools would have lower GPA's on average than the average applicant?
 
^ so judging from your lack of response I'm assuming that the answer is to my question is yes? Thanks.
 
DeterminedDoc said:
Ive failed three courses this past semester and I'm in my fourth year of uni. I transferred to a new university this year and still have 1.5 years left till I graduate. My GPA was a 2.7 BEFORE this semester and is now something like a 2.45 with 106 credits.

Can I even be a doctor at this point? Or is it time to whip out the apps to McDs and Burger King?
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Oh, My God! Will you please go back to the WAMC forum and review the very good advice you've received from Catalystik and others who have taken the time to mentor you.

Please take care of your health first and then worry about school.
 
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