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Hi All,

I recently got my score back from the NBDE Part 1 and got a 90! I want to use this thread to help anyone with any questions on how to tackle this exam. Ask away!
 
congratulations! thats really an amazing score 👍
I'd like to know the material u used and the time for preparation, my exam is next week and am starting to panic :scared:
how was ur exam compared to the released exams? was it more difficult? or the same? were there lots of questions that u felt u were unfamiliar with? what about repeated questions? were they alot?
I guess I need some re assurance since I only prepared for about 6 weeks and till now I'm getting 20-25 questions wrong in each 100 in practicing the past exams, which would give me a raw score of 300-320 😡 by the way what is ur raw score?
thanks in advance!
 
Hi All,

I recently got my score back from the NBDE Part 1 and got a 90! I want to use this thread to help anyone with any questions on how to tackle this exam. Ask away!
Congratulations on ur score.Plz tell us abt ur study material and the duraton of study.what according to u we should stress more on-decks or kaplan?what did u study for anatomy and dental anatomy?how did u revise last few days b4 ur exam.
Are u a FTD?
 
So overall I found the exam to be very similar if not slightly easier than the past exams I studied. I studied for a total of 5 weeks, 12 hours a day, every day. I did not use the dental decks at all, but I pretty much memorized the NBDE First Aid cover-to-cover, then supplemented it with mnemonics for biochem and micro from the USMLE First Aid as well as from this amazing website full of very helpful mnemonics:
http://crackthemciscreeing.blogspot.com/2007/09/mnemonics-easy-way-to-remember.html.

And then, lastly, I did several released exams about 3x each: I did the 2004, 1998 and 2002 exams. I also looked up everything and anything I wasn't sure of on Wikipedia.

I have to emphasize how useful the mnemonics are and I would HIGHLY suggest you use as many mnemonics as possible since with this volume of material you are bound to make errors without having some organized system of memorizing it.

As for the exam, there are clinical vignettes at the end of the first half and the beginning of the second half of the exam, and they are followed by a series of detailed questions regarding common conditions related to the cases such as rheumatoid arthritis, breast cancer, obesity, diabetes, osteoarthritis...etc So make sure you know the epidemiology, risk factors, symptoms, prognosis, and diagnostic tests for these as well as other common conditions. The easiest part of the exam was dental anatomy and the hardest was micro/path. Dental anatomy is were you can get some easy points if you know it cold, so definitely take advantage of this and really study this section well. Also definitely know your occlusion and tmj anatomy well as this is highly tested on the exam. Oh and also there are about 2-3 questions on ethics, so familiarize yourself with some basic ethic terms such as virtuosity, beneficence etc... and how they effect your decision making.

Also, I never actually took a full length practice exam but rather used all those questions as study tools and made sure I knew all of the answers and explanations for why they were right.

The exam had about 25% repeated questions, either word-for-word or slightly reworded but highly recognizable. When I was taking the exam I was about 100% sure of 250 questions, and then there were about 150 that I marked to look back at (definitely mark ANY question you are not 100% sure of since this makes it much easier to go back to once you finish a section). I finished the first half with an hour to spare and so was able to go through the entire thing again! The second half for some reason seemed more challenging and took me the whole 4 hours. Of those 150 that I marked, about 30 of them I didn't know and would not have known even if I had studied more since the difficult part of the question wasn't the content, but the wording of it made it hard to ascertain what it was they were trying to get at. The other 125 marked questions I was able to eliminate about 3 answers giving me a 50/50 chance of getting it right or wrong.

Most people I have talked to did not think they would do as well as they did and that goes for me as well. But remember you can get quite a few wrong and still end up with a great score. Every test has an individual curve dependent on the difficulty of that particular exam. I walked out of the exam knowing that I passed but unsure of whether or not I got a competitive score. I lost sleep thinking about questions I messed up on or didn't remember the mnemonic for. But it turns out that didn't make too much of a difference. I thought maybe I got somewhere in the low 80's and was then pleasantly surprised to see that I got a 90! I really wouldn't worry too much though, everyone studies differently, I mean my friend used mostly the decks and got a 91, I used mostly the first aid book and got a 90. It's all a matter of how you learn best. Also, you will find that the questions are mostly very straightforward and the answers for the majority of them seem to pop right up at you. I didn't even look at the other answer choices for most of the questions. So passing the exam is not hard, and most of the questions are not too challenging, but its those tough ones that make the difference between in getting a score in the lower 80's and the 90's.

Here is my score breakdown:

Comp: 90
Raw: 329
My Score National Average

Anatomic Sciences 84 64.6
Biochem/Physio 80 60.4
Micro/Path 81 65
Dental Anatomy 84 73.4


Let me know if there are more specific questions I can answer.

Good luck!
 
I am not a FTD. I am just your average 2nd year dental student. Also, I should stress that I used Netters to help with anatomy, and I found it very useful!
 
Plz tell me abt ur study material and the duraton of study.
what book should i use, decks or kaplan? or what other books are avaiable, and if so, which one is best?
 
hI tHUNDERDOME,

Congratulations on the great score. Do you think the fact that you are a dental student and are already in touch with the subjects has helped you achieve this score by studying just the First aid and solving old questions. Or do you think even a few yr old graduate can do the same...just wondering....if the first aid for nbde is that good and i have about 5 weeks to my exams and have started studying but your email was a great boost if only i can do as u did even though i have graduated almost 5 yrs back.
Thanks a ton in advance for your posts and helping us all and good luck with the admissions🙂
 
Plz tell me abt ur study material and the duraton of study.
what book should i use, decks or kaplan? or what other books are avaiable, and if so, which one is best?

As stated above, I studied for 5 weeks about 12 hrs a day every day and I used the following:

NBDE First Aid
USMLE First Aid (just for biochem and micro)
Released Exams (mainly 1998 and 2004)
Netters for anatomy
 
hI tHUNDERDOME,

Congratulations on the great score. Do you think the fact that you are a dental student and are already in touch with the subjects has helped you achieve this score by studying just the First aid and solving old questions. Or do you think even a few yr old graduate can do the same...just wondering....if the first aid for nbde is that good and i have about 5 weeks to my exams and have started studying but your email was a great boost if only i can do as u did even though i have graduated almost 5 yrs back.
Thanks a ton in advance for your posts and helping us all and good luck with the admissions🙂

Thank you very much! It's hard for me to answer that since I only have the perspective of being a current student taking the exam so it's hard for me to tease out whether the NBDE First Aid is THAT good or it was also the fact that I am a current student. But I really do think that book was great, only if used properly though. By that I mean actively memorizing the entire book. That is exactly what I did. It seems like a daunting task, but if you block out your days for 5 weeks and really grind away for about 8-12 hrs a day, it s most definitely doable.
 
Hi All,

I recently got my score back from the NBDE Part 1 and got a 90! I want to use this thread to help anyone with any questions on how to tackle this exam. Ask away!
Is firstaid enough for anatomy alng with netters?which areas do u think do they focus more on as far as anatomy is concerned?
 
Is firstaid enough for anatomy alng with netters?which areas do u think do they focus more on as far as anatomy is concerned?

Yes first aid is definitely enough for anatomy if you use netters as a reference to visualize everything in first aid. The emphasis is on head and neck anatomy of course, but aside from that they tend to ask questions related to the brachial plexus, location and innervation of major organs and vessels, as well as the histological difference between organs.
 
Thunderdome23, can you talk a little about your use of the USMLE book for biochem and micro. Like why you decided to use it and did you use the entire sections of each? It seems like their micro would be much more in depth than ours. I am very weak in the biochem section and need a solid resource for it. Please help if you can. Thanks for the info!
 
Thunderdome23, can you talk a little about your use of the USMLE book for biochem and micro. Like why you decided to use it and did you use the entire sections of each? It seems like their micro would be much more in depth than ours. I am very weak in the biochem section and need a solid resource for it. Please help if you can. Thanks for the info!

Sure, well I used the USMLE book because I was finding it difficult to memorize everything without mnemonics, and I found that the USMLE book was loaded with simple mnemonics to memorize just about everything I needed for biochem and micro! I did in fact use the entire section of biochem and micro from the USMLE book and found them to be incredibly useful. Their micro is in fact more in depth than ours, but than again, the exam is kind of in depth when it comes to micro as well. I used my on judgement when deciding what not to study from the USMLE book based on released exams. So all in all, I used the released exams to help guide me as to what topics were heavily tested and then I used my resources accordingly. Efficiency is key!
 
Yes first aid is definitely enough for anatomy if you use netters as a reference to visualize everything in first aid. The emphasis is on head and neck anatomy of course, but aside from that they tend to ask questions related to the brachial plexus, location and innervation of major organs and vessels, as well as the histological difference between organs.
Thanx for your response,jus one more thing-is brachial plexus teted in deth or jus the terminal branches?From where did you do your phsio n patho part during prepn and what would you suggest regarding the prepn in these subjects like what to focus more on?
 
Sure, well I used the USMLE book because I was finding it difficult to memorize everything without mnemonics, and I found that the USMLE book was loaded with simple mnemonics to memorize just about everything I needed for biochem and micro! I did in fact use the entire section of biochem and micro from the USMLE book and found them to be incredibly useful. Their micro is in fact more in depth than ours, but than again, the exam is kind of in depth when it comes to micro as well. I used my on judgement when deciding what not to study from the USMLE book based on released exams. So all in all, I used the released exams to help guide me as to what topics were heavily tested and then I used my resources accordingly. Efficiency is key!

Congradulation on your great score,....and also thank you for great help (inputs) which you offer another students,..

I have one Q which is not directly related with stadying,.......by the way, do you know something about taking Part I for second time? When we are taking test for second time do we get more difficult test (PartI) than we had on first time? I heard how everybody who is taking test for second time get test which is more difficult than he/she had for first time,....Is that rumor or true?

I appreciate on your answer,...

take care
 
Thanx for your response,jus one more thing-is brachial plexus teted in deth or jus the terminal branches?From where did you do your phsio n patho part during prepn and what would you suggest regarding the prepn in these subjects like what to focus more on?

I had maybe 3 or 4 questions with regard to the brachial plexus, and they mostly had to do with the terminal branches, but I would know averything about it, since it is a very testable topic and pretty much every exam has some variations on what questions they ask about it.

I didn't study much physio since I come from a school that requires us to do 2 years of med school so I felt good with physio. However I used first aid to just brush up on it and felt that was sufficient. For path I mainly used NBDE fist aide and supplemented it with Pathology Made Ridiculously Simple.

Can you be more specific regarding your question of what to focus on for physio and path, I mean there is a lot to know about those topics for the exam. I'm not sure what your question is. I think it woul be easier for me to help you if you maybe listed some topics your unsure of and I can help guide as to the importance of learning those.
 
Congradulation on your great score,....and also thank you for great help (inputs) which you offer another students,..

I have one Q which is not directly related with stadying,.......by the way, do you know something about taking Part I for second time? When we are taking test for second time do we get more difficult test (PartI) than we had on first time? I heard how everybody who is taking test for second time get test which is more difficult than he/she had for first time,....Is that rumor or true?

I appreciate on your answer,...

take care

Well I do not have personal experience with taking the boards more than once so I am probably the wrong person to ask, but I can't say I have ever heard of it being harder the second time.
 
I had maybe 3 or 4 questions with regard to the brachial plexus, and they mostly had to do with the terminal branches, but I would know averything about it, since it is a very testable topic and pretty much every exam has some variations on what questions they ask about it.

I didn't study much physio since I come from a school that requires us to do 2 years of med school so I felt good with physio. However I used first aid to just brush up on it and felt that was sufficient. For path I mainly used NBDE fist aide and supplemented it with Pathology Made Ridiculously Simple.

Can you be more specific regarding your question of what to focus on for physio and path, I mean there is a lot to know about those topics for the exam. I'm not sure what your question is. I think it woul be easier for me to help you if you maybe listed some topics your unsure of and I can help guide as to the importance of learning those.
Can u guide thru the endocrine and GIT section plz.
 
what netters are you talking about? The atlas or the flash cards or netters clinical anatomy book?
 
As stated above, I studied for 5 weeks about 12 hrs a day every day and I used the following:

NBDE First Aid
USMLE First Aid (just for biochem and micro)
Released Exams (mainly 1998 and 2004)
Netters for anatomy

what netters are you talking about? The atlas or the flash cards or netters clinical anatomy book?
 
Thunderdome.. one more question. What did you do for the eruption times and heights of contour? I ask b/c my class notes, kaplan, and decks are all slightly different? Did you just go with what First Aid NBDE had or what? Thanks again for all the help.
 
Can u guide thru the endocrine and GIT section plz.

Sure, here's a list of topics to focus on for endo, it is not comprehensive, but it's what I would consider the more important topics:

-Know all hormones, where they are produced, target tissue, antagonists, precursors, and what effect they have on their receptor (i.e. cAMP, IPS/DAG)

-Know the menstrual cycle very well, as well as spermatogenesis and oogenesis

-Know all diseases associated with endocrine malfunction, mainly diabetes, thyroid disorders, growth hormone disorders, cortisol disorders, and oarathyroid disorders


For Gastrointestinal, know these topics well:

-All hormones and what tey are stimulated by (what contents in GI), and their actions n motility and pancreatic secretion

-The breakdown location and products of major macromolecules

-Bile production, unconjugated and conjugated, and understand the various conditions in which jaundice occurs

-Know the steps involved in Tryglyceride absorption very well (i.e. cholymicrons, micelles, etc..)

-Know all syndromes associtade with esophagus (i.e. mallory weiss syndrome, achalasia etc..)

-Know all main differences between celiac disease, chrons disease, and ulcerative cholitis.

-Know all risk factors and causes of acute vs. chronic pancreatitis

-Know all symptoms associated with portal hypertension

-know some more rare diseases such as Wilsons disease and kernicterus.



***Please note that there are lots more topics to know, and everything I'm saying here is what is emphasized in the NBDE First Aid book. Really just memorize that book and you'll be set.***



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Thunderdome.. one more question. What did you do for the eruption times and heights of contour? I ask b/c my class notes, kaplan, and decks are all slightly different? Did you just go with what First Aid NBDE had or what? Thanks again for all the help.

Good question. Yea it was frustrating because they are all slightly diff depending on your source. I just stuck with First Aid as my primary source for everything.
 
Sure, here's a list of topics to focus on for endo, it is not comprehensive, but it's what I would consider the more important topics:

-Know all hormones, where they are produced, target tissue, antagonists, precursors, and what effect they have on their receptor (i.e. cAMP, IPS/DAG)

-Know the menstrual cycle very well, as well as spermatogenesis and oogenesis

-Know all diseases associated with endocrine malfunction, mainly diabetes, thyroid disorders, growth hormone disorders, cortisol disorders, and oarathyroid disorders


For Gastrointestinal, know these topics well:

-All hormones and what tey are stimulated by (what contents in GI), and their actions n motility and pancreatic secretion

-The breakdown location and products of major macromolecules

-Bile production, unconjugated and conjugated, and understand the various conditions in which jaundice occurs

-Know the steps involved in Tryglyceride absorption very well (i.e. cholymicrons, micelles, etc..)

-Know all syndromes associtade with esophagus (i.e. mallory weiss syndrome, achalasia etc..)

-Know all main differences between celiac disease, chrons disease, and ulcerative cholitis.

-Know all risk factors and causes of acute vs. chronic pancreatitis

-Know all symptoms associated with portal hypertension

-know some more rare diseases such as Wilsons disease and kernicterus.



***Please note that there are lots more topics to know, and everything I'm saying here is what is emphasized in the NBDE First Aid book. Really just memorize that book and you'll be set.***



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Hi,

Congrats for g8 score as well as for helping others...g8 job too..

well, one question from my side, which edition of first Aid NBDE u used /memorize...as i have first edition with lots of mistake ...do u have the second one?

thanks..
 
Hi,

I was wondering, did u get those questions where u have to choose more than one correct answer?
what about questions with drawings in dental anatomy? the different sections of teeth and the occlusion questions?

thanks
 
drdds2009,

I used the first edition of the NBDE First Aid. My friend bought the second one and guess what? Most of the mistakes are still there. It's impossible with almost all the resources (the decks included) to avoid lots of mistakes since this material is so detailed. The best advice I can give you is try to use common sense when reading through this stuff and don't memorize it blindly. If something doesn't quite makes sense, try a few more resources to look for consistency.
 
Hi,

I was wondering, did u get those questions where u have to choose more than one correct answer?
what about questions with drawings in dental anatomy? the different sections of teeth and the occlusion questions?

thanks

No, I did not have questions where I had to choose more than one correct answer. However, I did have questions on occlusion where there were pictures of part of an arch with arrows pointing branching off the teeth and pointing in one direction, and the question asked about whether the movement was left or right and laterotrusive or mediotrusive.
 
No, I did not have questions where I had to choose more than one correct answer. However, I did have questions on occlusion where there were pictures of part of an arch with arrows pointing branching off the teeth and pointing in one direction, and the question asked about whether the movement was left or right and laterotrusive or mediotrusive.

Hi Thunderdome23.
i want to ask that which edition of dental decks u did, was it 2009-2010.? and from where do u get this USMLE notes for biochem and Micro. did u do kaplan video?Last time i screwed up with my exam, this time i want to score. can u please giuide me. and will it be a good investment to get ASDA G-M released papers. and do u advice to do old papers like 1986...
pleaseee
thank you
 
periodontist,

I did not use the decks for anything but ethics. I used the USMLE book from a friend who is in med school. I don't think it's necessary to do all exams to 1986. I just did 1998, 2002, 2004.
 
periodontitis,

Also, I definitely think it is worth it to get some released exams! I think doing released exams were probably the most important part of my studying and there were about 20 repeated questions on the actual exam.
 
hi thanks for ur reply
few more questions. Do you have any idea what are this unreleased papers and what is this kaplan lecture notes. and if u have any material can you mail to my id [email protected] And is there any 2007 pilot exam? are there released exams after 2005 coz asda released exams are till 2005.
can you give some guidance on this
thank you
 
hi thanks for ur reply
few more questions. Do you have any idea what are this unreleased papers and what is this kaplan lecture notes. and if u have any material can you mail to my id [email protected] And is there any 2007 pilot exam? are there released exams after 2005 coz asda released exams are till 2005.
can you give some guidance on this
thank you

Unfortunately I do not have the released papers on file, only printed copies. If you search for "ADA Released exams" you can actually purchase them. And 2004 is the latest released exam that I know of. I wouldn't worry too much, All I used was the 1998 and 2004, and skimmed the 2002, and it seemed to be sufficient to get a 90. Good luck!
 
Unfortunately I do not have the released papers on file, only printed copies. If you search for "ADA Released exams" you can actually purchase them. And 2004 is the latest released exam that I know of. I wouldn't worry too much, All I used was the 1998 and 2004, and skimmed the 2002, and it seemed to be sufficient to get a 90. Good luck!


hey thunderdome23

i recently got a few I-K , and I-m set , can you please highlight if i need to go in search of more sets or do they suffice ?

also i had a question regarding the nbde materials, are you talking about review notes or first aid, can you please give me the book name in toto.
Also usmle book , the name of that .

I really need to go well o'er my physiology, biochemistry and anatomy, for which i need the best and foolproof books.

good luck for ur future endeavours
thanks for ur help in advance.
 
No, I did not have questions where I had to choose more than one correct answer. However, I did have questions on occlusion where there were pictures of part of an arch with arrows pointing branching off the teeth and pointing in one direction, and the question asked about whether the movement was left or right and laterotrusive or mediotrusive.
hey congrats for ur score,am planning to give in august mid,can u suggest which book to study for laterotrusive and mediotrusive movememnt and diagrams,
 
" Hi,

Can u please tell me roughly how many cards are in the decks for ethics? I got mine from a friend and I dont think they are complete.

thanks"

16 cards in the new decks, but they keep going over the same info in a number of them.
 
Hi,

Can u please tell me roughly how many cards are in the decks for ethics? I got mine from a friend and I dont think they are complete.

thanks

16 cards and they are on the website.You can print and read them.There will be 1-3 questions on ethics.Good luck!🙂
 
hey thunderdome23

i recently got a few I-K , and I-m set , can you please highlight if i need to go in search of more sets or do they suffice ?

also i had a question regarding the nbde materials, are you talking about review notes or first aid, can you please give me the book name in toto.
Also usmle book , the name of that .

I really need to go well o'er my physiology, biochemistry and anatomy, for which i need the best and foolproof books.

good luck for ur future endeavours
thanks for ur help in advance.

Thanks, I'm not sure what "I-K" means, but all I can tell you is that I mainly used the 2004 pilot exam and the 1998 exam and that was enough. Also, I used the NBDE First Aid Book and the USMLE First Aid Book for everything. They gave me everything I needed for all subjects. Good luck!
 
hey congrats for ur score,am planning to give in august mid,can u suggest which book to study for laterotrusive and mediotrusive movememnt and diagrams,


Thanks, the best book for any tmj stuff including laterotrusive and mediotrusive movements is hands down "The Management of Temporomandibular Disorders and Occlusion" By Okeson
 
Hi,

Can u please tell me roughly how many cards are in the decks for ethics? I got mine from a friend and I dont think they are complete.

thanks

There aren't really many cards on ethics to begin with, I think there is maybe 20 or 30 at most. You really just need to be familiar with the vocabulary and some of the professional obligations you have in certain situations. There are only 2 or 3 questions on this on the boards and they were pretty easy.
 
Thanks for all your help. could please let me know what chapters on Okeson are the most important to read?
Thanks again,
 
Read chapters 1, 4, and 6 and you will be all set!
Hi thunderdrome,thanx a lot for helping us out.can u plz point out the imp stuff as far as CARDIO and RESPIRATORY system are concerned.Do we need to go thru the occlusion chapter in wheelers if we are doing that from okeson?plz reply asap
 
Hi thunderdrome,thanx a lot for helping us out.can u plz point out the imp stuff as far as CARDIO and RESPIRATORY system are concerned.Do we need to go thru the occlusion chapter in wheelers if we are doing that from okeson?plz reply asap

I would be just rewriting First Aid if I told you all the important stuff for cardio and pulmonary. There really is no short cut around it, just know everything in First Aid for these subjects, it's actually not a whole lot. As fo occlusion, if you don't feel you learned it from Okeson than try wheelers, but don't waste time reading everything about it if you have a good grasp. It's tested at a basic level.
 
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