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Please tell me y'all have schools that are taking the PE thing seriously? Just in today my school isn't attempting to do anything about it essentially.
What are they supposed to due? isn't it out of their hands and basically up to NBOME?Please tell me y'all have schools that are taking the PE thing seriously? Just in today my school isn't attempting to do anything about it essentially.
Ha yeah right dudePlease tell me y'all have schools that are taking the PE thing seriously? Just in today my school isn't attempting to do anything about it essentially.
Step 2 CS has been suspended for the next 12-18 months, as of today.
I don’t see this anywhereStep 2 CS has been suspended for the next 12-18 months, as of today.
The NBOME has to cancel the PE for the Class of 2021 now. Residency programs probably won’t require USMLE Step 2 CS or COMLEX Level 2 PE so what’s the point in having the test. Somebody has to put pressure on the NBOME to waive the PE for the Class of 2021 now. What if someone picks up COVID from the PE and then the NBOME gets sued? The NBOME better cancel the PE for the class of 2021 because it’s the right thing to do!
Haha It's highly likely they'll have to cancel future dates anyways.Hell if CS gets truly cancelled I might switch my PE date to March or something just to give em the finga! It really would be ridiculous for the NBOME to not follow suit
Am I wrong to assume that the NBOME has more to lose by cancelling vs. hosting it, somebody suing, and having to settle. Pretty sure the numbers are still in favor of requiring the PE.
I mean--this is true. But it can just as easily not be required. It's not like this whole thing isn't a contrived requirement in the first place. The original intention of the CS and the PE was to ensure incoming residents knew their physical exams. It led to schools more reliably teaching this information, but do we really have to pay 1.3k to PROVE it? At my school, they shove us in the SP lab every chance they get. Times have changed and everyone takes bedside manner more seriously.You're not wrong. Plus don't we have to eventually take it for licensure? If residency programs say that this year it's not required. Great, but we still would need to take it to complete the boards so then the question becomes when would you feel comfortable taking it? Maybe it's less stressful to just wait until residency starts? Or maybe you have an exam date lined up soon and getting it out of the way makes more sense.
All I know is that I’m someone who was a good boy and took this thing in January, had to travel far and spent ~2k. It was a huge sacrifice and royal pain. If they cancel this thing I hope they give me a refund, but I’m sure they won’t. Freaking sucks.
All I know is that I’m someone who was a good boy and took this thing in January, had to travel far and spent ~2k. It was a huge sacrifice and royal pain. If they cancel this thing I hope they give me a refund, but I’m sure they won’t. Freaking sucks.
Haha definitely not worth $2k.It would be unfortunate for you to have spent that much money. My original date for the PE was in the first week of April, so I just barely missed the cut. On a positive note, you can "prove" you have good clinical abilities by having the PE score. Is it worth $2k? Probably not.
Sounds like you're implying that some of us purposefully don't want to take it or are at fault in some fashion for not having taken it earlier. Can tell you that had my school allowed us to take it before April I'd have had mine done in January as well. Also, if they do just postpone it for the class of 2021, we'll eventually have to make it up so you're in a better place than the rest of us anyway
Haha definitely not worth $2k.
Not implying anything, the “good boy” comment is just a joke. Actually took it early cause I was afraid I was gonna fail and need time for a retake, my school allowed us to take it starting in Jan. I am definitely saying that it's not fair to those who already paid all that money and took this thing if they cancel it altogether. They should also refund those students, but at that point the SPs and proctors have already been paid, there's no reasonable way to refund us.
Honestly with regard to equity being the focus they should just do this no matter what and keep it for their dumb licensing requirement.If the PE ends up being suspended like the CS, ERAS/USMLE should remove the ability to even submit a transcript for PE/CS with your application. this protects the students who: scheduled their exams in the spring and now are unable to retest in time as well as those who failed the test pre-pandemic and may be unable to retake in time.
If the PE ends up being suspended like the CS, ERAS/USMLE should remove the ability to even submit a transcript for PE/CS with your application.
I have a strong feeling they will do this for MD students, but they should also do the same for DO students regarding the PE. For this cycle, there should be no relative advantage/disadvantage conferred for this test results. Students who were able to take/pass the PE early should not be given an advantage, nor should other students be penalized for factors outside their control. The only way to truly take the PE out of the equation is to not make the test result visible this cycle.
It’s official! Guess @AnatomyGrey12 doesn't have to eat crow, his hat, his words, or whatever he promised earlier lol
Freakin unprecedented times. The NBME was so averse to dropping this CS they increased the fail rate by a few percent when MD students protested a few yrs back by saying its useless because, among other things, "virtually everyone passes". Now they just drop it for at least 1.5 yrs. The CS must really be essential for the safety of the public .
The NBOME better do something similar, but honestly who knows
I just want to know if he is aware of the current Philly and Chicago Covid status. Honestly, he probably isn't given how far up his own ass he is.They aren't. Our school admins or something just had some national meeting with them and Gimpel told them that it didn't matter that the NBME did this and that they are still planning to begin PE administrations in July no matter what. All said in his usual condescending manner of course. Supposedly he said the NBOME "board" had a meeting about this already and this was what they decided.
Once again the NBOME shows just how weak and inferior they are to their MD counterparts. It's pretty embarrassing to be a DO when these are the people who are supposed to be in leadership positions representing us on a national stage.
I just want to know if he is aware of the current Philly and Chicago Covid status. Honestly, he probably isn't given how far up his own ass he is.
Unless you taking it in September or beyondAh yes, this is how we show the MDs we are superior to them.
nbome on friday: “residency PDs will choose you over those worthless slimy MD colleagues because you will have the stamp of approval of the mo$t important exam ever on your resume!”
I hope from their yacht in front of piles of money on a solid gold toiletAny idea when this atrocity will be officially announced by NBOME?
Do you think anything will change Gimpel's mind? I bet there will be massive protests over them holding the PE in 2 hotspots. If the Deans of the schools put enough pressure on the NBOME, maybe the NBOME will cave in and do what the NBME did. I bet the NBOME will eventually have to cave in if this pandemic keeps up but Gimpel is pretty stubborn. I heard COCA is putting pressure on the NBOME to have the PE so maybe we could blame COCA instead of the NBOME. Still, the NBOME is putting lives in danger by conducting the "most important exam" you will ever take.They aren't. Our school admins or something just had some national meeting with them and Gimpel told them that it didn't matter that the NBME did this and that they are still planning to begin PE administrations in July no matter what. All said in his usual condescending manner of course. Supposedly he said the NBOME "board" had a meeting about this already and this was what they decided.
Once again the NBOME shows just how weak and inferior they are to their MD counterparts. It's pretty embarrassing to be a DO when these are the people who are supposed to be in leadership positions representing us on a national stage.
"Guys what if we did PE but with REAL germs and consequences?!"This is the nbome we’re talking about, all they’ve thought of is clear masks in the past 3 months. I doubt theres much concern outside of whether or not they can continue taking our money
Why does coca careDo you think anything will change Gimpel's mind? I bet there will be massive protests over them holding the PE in 2 hotspots. If the Deans of the schools put enough pressure on the NBOME, maybe the NBOME will cave in and do what the NBME did. I bet the NBOME will eventually have to cave in if this pandemic keeps up but Gimpel is pretty stubborn. I heard COCA is putting pressure on the NBOME to have the PE so maybe we could blame COCA instead of the NBOME. Still, the NBOME is putting lives in danger by conducting the "most important exam" you will ever take.
It would take pressure from the right places, unfortunately students aren't the source that will matter. It would take deans, non-medical entities, etc.Do you think anything will change Gimpel's mind? I bet there will be massive protests over them holding the PE in 2 hotspots. If the Deans of the schools put enough pressure on the NBOME, maybe the NBOME will cave in and do what the NBME did. I bet the NBOME will eventually have to cave in if this pandemic keeps up but Gimpel is pretty stubborn. I heard COCA is putting pressure on the NBOME to have the PE so maybe we could blame COCA instead of the NBOME. Still, the NBOME is putting lives in danger by conducting the "most important exam" you will ever take.
There’s an add on for Firefox or chrome that people reference, the service is listed a lot of times in the step 2 section under med students.I wish someone knew. I've tried googling it from 4654 different search phrases. I would literally pay $500 for that.
Just get it over with, if it’s after October residency’s won’t see the score unless you reupload. And with the significant amount of people who won’t have taken it this year, having a pass would be a real advantage.Hell if CS gets truly cancelled I might switch my PE date to March or something just to give em the finga! It really would be ridiculous for the NBOME to not follow suit
I highly doubt there will even be CS exams this year, but you can use the firefox extension check4change to get an alert any time a spot opens up. I used it to change my testing date last year.
"hold up, why are you delivering your test and that other organization isn't?"
So if this is the new timeline for ERAS..would having our COMLEX CE scores in before Oct 21st make us late? Or is it recommended to have it in by Sept 1?
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For once a school admin is correct. Better buy a bug out kit or something, end times are near.Our school told us that as long as the score is in before Oct 21, we are fine. The Residencies cannot see anything before then.