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morninqlory said:
We only just passed night 2 right? So wouldn't STL only have had one nights worth of information seered before he got lynched? So would only know about one person... Unlikely the roles they were looking for.
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That's what I said. He claims to have seered the protector N1 so they wouldn't have known that for the kill. Said they figured out who the tracker was by reading the thread but they also obviously knew Wtfs role as well from the thread and went for her first. I'm guessing the protector was blocked since I can't think of a reason they would protect anyone else last night.
 
I don't think its rojo. His previous actions of voting for STL are enough for me to say its not him. He's veteran enough to know the seer is a would you don't throw out early.

Dos anyone really think STL knew who the tracker was? I haven't read back yet, so I can't help there. Did anyone else try?
 
The wolves either got stupid lucky last night or they knew wtf wouldn't be protected, which means they likely do know who the protector is. I have not gone back through the thread to see if I could figure out who the tracker is, but hopefully STL lied about that part.
 
rockatiel said:
I don't think its rojo. His previous actions of voting for STL are enough for me to say its not him. He's veteran enough to know the seer is a would you don't throw out early.

Dos anyone really think STL knew who the tracker was? I haven't read back yet, so I can't help there. Did anyone else try?
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Veteran enough? I can count on my 1 hand the number of people in this game that's been playing longer than me... Smh
 
thedrjojo said:
Are you flipping kidding me? What wolf would have knowingly lead the charge for the wolf seer? I mean, I'm ballsy and bold at times, but I don't see how anyone can think me a wolf based on my play towards STL.

His post was implying that maybe I was the seer (which I clearly am not) and that if wtf isn't the seer (which she was) then it was probably me.

If I find out the protector protected themselves over wtf...

Now, if they did seer the protector and then blocked them last night, that can also explain the successful wtf kill.
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I'm just putting out what I'm thinking out there. Yes, I know it's a hair brained idea. But I haven't voted that way, and don't plan to.

I'm right with you on being pissed at the protector. Unless there was a block, I'd also like to know what they were thinking.
 
I mean, in his wolf brag, STL did say that the protector was going to be blocked until whenever blah blah blah...I know that there was probably a lot of made-up stuff in that post, but I would think that the protector being blocked by a wolf blocker is more likely than them choosing not to protect WTF or forgetting to submit an action or not getting online or something like that.
 
Teepster87 said:
I'm just putting out what I'm thinking out there. Yes, I know it's a hair brained idea. But I haven't voted that way, and don't plan to.

I'm right with you on being pissed at the protector. Unless there was a block, I'd also like to know what they were thinking.
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I don't really want the protector to say anything, unless they were blocked. If it's a noob protector, it's possible that STL's speech scared them into protecting themselves instead of WTF. If that was the goal of the wolves, maybe they don't actually know who the protector is yet. And I wouldn't want that person outed.
 
I guess I will start off the lynching, maybe it will get some more discussion going...

Lynch Teep I know others have had suspicions and I do find it odd to point a finger at rojo.
 
Anyone have particular people sticking out to them (other than rojo who I agree I don't really feel anything on)? Most of the discussion has been on last nights events but idk of any suspects for this.
 
Lynch teep.

Some of his comments are setting off some alarm bells for me, especially with him throwing a lot of suspicion at rojo and a few other things.
 
genny said:
I don't really want the protector to say anything, unless they were blocked. If it's a noob protector, it's possible that STL's speech scared them into protecting themselves instead of WTF. If that was the goal of the wolves, maybe they don't actually know who the protector is yet. And I wouldn't want that person outed.
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More often than not, especially in 'classic' games, the protector can't protect themselves. It wasn't until the last year or so that mods started allowing it here.

Bottom line: I think the odds are somewhat more in favor of the protector in this game (if there is one) not being able to self-protect.
 
Another possibility for the protector screw up is that they didn't get a move in.

I am not the protector, but I thought day was going to be open until Sun morning. I worked 11:30am until 2am yesterday. Woke up this morning to find night over instead of just starting. So it also is possible the protector was in a similar boat and just plain didn't get a move in.

I have a hard time believing even a n00b wouldn't protect Dy. So either there is no protector, or they didn't get a move in because of the accelerated pace, or the wolves really did block the protection.
 
I kinda want to vote for Teep as well, but I kinda also think that we're just at the beginning of a bandwagon, which always makes life easy for wolves.

I agree Rojo isn't a wolf ... But he did just become a pretty decent conversion target.
 
genny said:
I don't really want the protector to say anything, unless they were blocked. If it's a noob protector, it's possible that STL's speech scared them into protecting themselves instead of WTF. If that was the goal of the wolves, maybe they don't actually know who the protector is yet. And I wouldn't want that person outed.
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I don't think the protector should out themselves no matter what right now. They can let us know when the game is over why they didn't/weren't able to protect WTF last night.

LetItSnow said:
Another possibility for the protector screw up is that they didn't get a move in.

I am not the protector, but I thought day was going to be open until Sun morning. I worked 11:30am until 2am yesterday. Woke up this morning to find night over instead of just starting. So it also is possible the protector was in a similar boat and just plain didn't get a move in.

I have a hard time believing even a n00b wouldn't protect WTF. So either there is no protector, or they didn't get a move in because of the accelerated pace, or the wolves really did block the protection.
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I personally feel this is less likely. If I were a wolf, I wouldn't have gone after WTF last night unless I knew for sure she wasn't protected.
 
LetItSnow said:
Another possibility for the protector screw up is that they didn't get a move in.

I am not the protector, but I thought day was going to be open until Sun morning. I worked 11:30am until 2am yesterday. Woke up this morning to find night over instead of just starting. So it also is possible the protector was in a similar boat and just plain didn't get a move in.

I have a hard time believing even a n00b wouldn't protect Dy. So either there is no protector, or they didn't get a move in because of the accelerated pace, or the wolves really did block the protection.
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I can definitely see the faster turnaround time causing someone to miss night deadline, though I personally find it suspicious that the wolves would have chosen to attack WTF anyway, as there's no way they would have known the protector would miss night deadline (if that's what happened). I don't see why a wolfpack would take the chance of trying to kill someone who had a very good chance of being protected unless they either a) knew they wouldn't be protected b) knew they could block the protection or c) knew they could kill through the protection.

My guess is b), otherwise I don't think a wolf would have ever taken the chance to try to kill WTF. This would mean that the wolves would have to know who the protector is, though, which may or may not be true based on whether you'd like to believe STL's wolfbrag.

(also, if the protector is trying to protect our modgod from wolf kills, I don't know if they'd ever be useful in this game 😛)
 
Jilary said:
I personally feel this is less likely. If I were a wolf, I wouldn't have gone after WTF last night unless I knew for sure she wasn't protected.
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If the wolves have a tracker, but don't know who our protector is, what if they attacked WTF expecting to be unsuccessful? Would that get them the name of our protector?

I know it's probably more likely that they blocked our protector, and he or she is next to go.
 
Jilary said:
I personally feel this is less likely. If I were a wolf, I wouldn't have gone after WTF last night unless I knew for sure she wasn't protected.
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Agreed. But it is a possibility and the wolves may have decided they had to try. They may also have decided there is a chance there IS no protector and that would be a good test.
 
Jilary said:
I don't think the protector should out themselves no matter what right now. They can let us know when the game is over why they didn't/weren't able to protect WTF last night.
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Also agreed. Genny's suggestion was dumb - even if a protector was blocked, it would be insane to reveal.....

That is just silly. Why put a bullseye on your back?
 
genny said:
If the wolves have a tracker, but don't know who our protector is, what if they attacked WTF expecting to be unsuccessful? Would that get them the name of our protector?

I know it's probably more likely that they blocked our protector, and he or she is next to go.
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A wolf tracker is very, very rare and I highly doubt one would be present in this game.

And, again, that goes back to the way tracking tends to work. It tells the tracker what the person they were following was doing. So even if the wolves had a tracker (which I doubt) and they tracked WTF, it would just show that someone is protecting her and not really reveal who it was. I also doubt they would attempt to kill WTF and track her at the same time.

I get the feeling that the wolves somehow knew WTF would not be protected and that is why they attacked her.
 
genny said:
If the wolves have a tracker, but don't know who our protector is, what if they attacked WTF expecting to be unsuccessful? Would that get them the name of our protector?
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Possibly but not likely. Typically you only get info about the person you are tracking. So they would get something like "You see wtf looking into someone. Also, someone else appears to be hanging around wtf."

So it would be muddied in ambiguity, probably.
 
LetItSnow said:
Also agreed. Genny's suggestion was dumb - even if a protector was blocked, it would be insane to reveal.....

That is just silly. Why put a bullseye on your back?
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Yeah, the protector should not be saying anything at all, it would just be putting a giant target on their back, provided STL was bluffing when he claimed he knew who the protector was.

We can figure out what happened or if there is even a protector at end game, no need for the protector to be vocal about what occurred at this time.
 
DVMDream said:
Yeah, the protector should not be saying anything at all, it would just be putting a giant target on their back, provided STL was bluffing when he claimed he knew who the protector was.

We can figure out what happened or if there is even a protector at end game, no need for the protector to be vocal about what occurred at this time.
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However, if the protector was blocked, it's most likely the wolves that did it and thus they know the protector and they are dead tonight anyway.
 
genny said:
If the wolves have a tracker, but don't know who our protector is, what if they attacked WTF expecting to be unsuccessful? Would that get them the name of our protector?

I know it's probably more likely that they blocked our protector, and he or she is next to go.
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But there is still no reason for them to reveal. There are other possibilities that can explain last night, and whether a protector was blocked or not isn't going to help us in the lynch. So it makes more sense just to wait and see if they die, or if it turns out to have been something else.

I mean, in the far out crazy world a villager blocker could have accidentally blocked the protector and the wolves could simultaneously have decided to just take a chance and try and kill wtf. I'm not saying that is likely, obviously, but strange crap happens.

I just don't see a benefit to the protector revealing. If they were blocked by wolves, we will know when they die tonight.
 
genny said:
😵 Um, I said the protector should shut up. Teep wanted them to say something.
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You said you didn't want them to say something unless they were blocked (implying you want them to out themselves if they were blocked).

I agree with the others that the protector should stay silent no matter what happened last night
 
Filly Bay said:
You said you didn't want them to say something unless they were blocked (implying you want them to out themselves if they were blocked).

I agree with the others that the protector should stay silent no matter what happened last night
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The logic being that if they were blocked, then the wolves already know who they are. Maybe I should use more words in my posts.
So I will rephrase:
Teep, that's a stupid idea. The protector should stay mum. If they've been blocked, then it's likely that the wolves already know who they are. Speaking up is optional at that point.
 
Lynch Teep

genny said:
Is there a reason you're trying to turn this on me? And away from Teep? STL tried that with his reveal too, ya know.
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I'm starting to wonder about LIS though too...
 
LetItSnow said:
But there is still no reason for them to reveal. There are other possibilities that can explain last night, and whether a protector was blocked or not isn't going to help us in the lynch. So it makes more sense just to wait and see if they die, or if it turns out to have been something else.

I mean, in the far out crazy world a villager blocker could have accidentally blocked the protector and the wolves could simultaneously have decided to just take a chance and try and kill wtf. I'm not saying that is likely, obviously, but strange crap happens.

I just don't see a benefit to the protector revealing. If they were blocked by wolves, we will know when they die tonight.
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Another potential wolf move is to try to get the village to lynch the protector rather than killing them. Leaving the protector be for a long time could be a viable strategy early in the game when there is a low likelihood they will be successfully blocking wolves. They could use the time to throw a lot of suspicion their way in the meantime and potentially try to get a lynch in.

It's also one of the reasons I'm kind of suspicious of teep, as his first response upon seeing the night results wasn't "The protector must have been blocked" or "I wonder if the protector missed night deadline", it was this:

Teepster87 said:
Well that sucks. Protector must have been taking the night off.
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I don't know why that wording rubs me the wrong way, but I think it's because the subtext of it is suggesting that the protector is lazy or purposefully did not protect WTF. I think in general when things like that happen people's first response is to wonder if someone was blocked, rather than making posts that sound like they are assuming the player didn't protect someone on purpose.

I would also like to point out that that post directed the conversation about whether the protector intentionally chose not to protect for at least ~half a page/a full page of the thread, when realistically villagers probably should have been discussing other possibilities and what we know from night results.
 
No blabbing, no hinting, nothing if you are the protector. Hopefully you exist.

If the wolves do know who they are, I don't see how them telling us helps anything, unless we try to lynch them.

I also have trouble seeing how the wolves would know as much as STL claimed (protector and tracker) unless:
There were hints on thread. (I haven't gone back to look yet, building a fence)
Or
There is more than one way to collect info for them. If there are items, I haven't seen a sign of them yet. I doubt they have multiple seers, or maybe I just hope.

What are guesses for wolf roles? I agree, they don't likely have a tracker, but I've only been a wolf once so I don't really know what the basic layout for them normally is.
 
genny said:
Is there a reason you're trying to turn this on me? And away from Teep? STL tried that with his reveal too, ya know.
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Uhhhhh. Overreact much? I commented on you saying the protector should reveal. You said you never did. I apologized. Then your quote that clearly suggests they should reveal was noted. I called you a lying sneak.

All seems pretty straightforward WW'ing. 🙂
 
vetmedhead said:
Another potential wolf move is to try to get the village to lynch the protector rather than killing them. Leaving the protector be for a long time could be a viable strategy early in the game when there is a low likelihood they will be successfully blocking wolves. They could use the time to throw a lot of suspicion their way in the meantime and potentially try to get a lynch in.

It's also one of the reasons I'm kind of suspicious of teep, as his first response upon seeing the night results wasn't "The protector must have been blocked" or "I wonder if the protector missed night deadline", it was this:



I don't know why that wording rubs me the wrong way, but I think it's because the subtext of it is suggesting that the protector is lazy or purposefully did not protect WTF. I think in general when things like that happen people's first response is to wonder if someone was blocked, rather than making posts that sound like they are assuming the player didn't protect someone on purpose.

I would also like to point out that that post directed the conversation about whether the protector intentionally chose not to protect for at least ~half a page/a full page of the thread, when realistically villagers probably should have been discussing other possibilities and what we know from night results.
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I dunno if I buy the first paragraph. If I were a wolf and knew who the protector was they'd be gone. Or converted.

The last two paragraphs are some pretty decent thinking.
 
Animal Midwife said:
Why'd he say that Genny was lying then?
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Um.............. because she did? She said the protector should speak up if blocked, then proceeded to jump on me and claim that she never said the protector should reveal.

Seems pretty clear cut.

I wasn't being entirely serious. I mean, I think it's obvious what Genny meant. This whole Genny/LIS thing is being blown way out of proportion. There isn't anything behind it. Probably on either side. Move on.
 
LetItSnow said:
I dunno if I buy the first paragraph. If I were a wolf and knew who the protector was they'd be gone. Or converted.

The last two paragraphs are some pretty decent thinking.
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Yeah, as I was writing the first half I was thinking it would probably just be more efficient to kill a protector. Most of that was some theoretical thinking trying to figure out why they wouldn't just kill the protector first.

Was WTF openly suspicious of anyone on thread? I wonder if they chose to try to kill her now rather than risk her seering someone she expressed suspicions about who they know is a wolf. There's still the problem of who blocked the protector, but my current guess is that there is a wolf blocker and STL maybe did idiot his way into seering the protector N1.
 
LetItSnow said:
Um.............. because she did? She said the protector should speak up if blocked, then proceeded to jump on me and claim that she never said the protector should reveal.

Seems pretty clear cut.

I wasn't being entirely serious. I mean, I think it's obvious what Genny meant. This whole Genny/LIS thing is being blown way out of proportion. There isn't anything behind it. Probably on either side. Move on.
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I need my WW soap opera though! :rage::rage::rage:
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Animal Midwife said:
Why'd he say that Genny was lying then?
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I mean, technically, she was.

To me, he stated it in a sarcastic sort of way. More as an "Ah! Ha! I was right! You dirty, filthy liar!"

If he really wanted to cast suspicion on genny, trust me, he knows how and that sure wasn't it.
 
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