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[LetItSnow]

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I almost felt bad enough/questioned my lynch enough to waffle this morning. But I'm resolved to being wrong with this one and will be glad if you get your "I told you so" LIS and will be the first to admit I read you wrong. I'll even follow your leads if wrong (maybe even follow them if I'm right... Another great wolf tact is to implicate another wolf when you are going down... People be like 'he was gunning for my death, who would he do that if I was a wolf')

Another possible interpretation of all this is is - hypothetically if Rojo were a wolf - he votes to lynch me (knowing he's lynching a villager) and sets himself up for plausible deniability to lynch whichever of my suspicions is wrong ("but gee, I was just lynching based on LIS's suspicions now that he was proven to be a villager") thus allowing him to lynch more villagers without appearing suspicious.

I'm not saying that's the correct interpretation, but it certainly is a potentially correct one.

Lynch lotf

I know I'm getting to be a broken record with this, but I don't like either the LIS or Jilary lynch. lady has seemed off thus far this game to me. I've got nothing to back it up, but I'm thinking dvmd could be our veteran Wolf. She's played well, and I havent had a single solid feel from anything she's said thus far which is what makes me suspicious.

Any time DVMD and I don't get in an argument I'm suspicious. But to be fair, that hasn't helped me catch her when she's been a wolf. She's like me - her play style moderates and it rarely has to do with whether she's a wolf or villager.

 

[Skimble]

Unlynch Jilary

So let's see...rereading things has me reconsidering my Jilary vote, obviously. My reasons for it weren't strong, more that she had floated to the top of my list and I wanted to see how she responded. I liked her responses to everything. Except that part where she called my vote lazy. Boo on that. (She's right on the other part though, I think every time I've voted for her she was a villager...only because I was dead so early in the Pokémon game!)

Kaydubs - I'm awful at reading her, absolutely awful. It's true she hasn't contributed much in the way of theories and whatnot, but her play here has seemed very much just...like herself. With a dash of brain melt (I hope you feel better soon by the way!). She was second on my list before reevaluations occured, mostly because I had nothing that I could really give her villager points for. I still don't see anything that screams villager so unfortunately she stays up there.

BBC and teep were next on my list. Based on what we've seen I'm inclined think BBC may be another quiet villager, but I can't know for sure. There certainly has to be a wolf among the vocal players and that is where i really want to look, because it is entirely too easy for them to lead us astray from that position. Meanwhile teep has put his foot in his mouth more than I would expect him to as a wolf. Seems like low hanging fruit at this point (no offense intended teep, I just mean it's easy to misconstrue some of your posts).

My gray area consists of Zen, SOV, LIS, and DVMD. Of these I think from what I've read today I would be most inclined to think SOV is a wolf, but it's really only via process of elimination, so if none of those 4 is a wolf then it's pretty useless. I'm going to look over some things again in the morning and hopefully be able to make a decision already.

After that everyone else is sitting in my villager column for now.

I meant your vote for me was lazy because you didn't offer any reason behind it, that's all! I didn't mean to offend.

One thing I noticed while going through SOV's posts: His writing style and suggestions changed as time went on. He started out being very factual, evaluating options after WTF's death and such As the game went there was a much higher focus on conversing or specific instances which had a more casual tone. At that point it seemed to start to mess with peoples' heads a bit. I am inclined to believe he(or sheltermed) started the game as a villager, but I think there may be a chance he was converted. Or at least I have feels.

Despite the fact we have not had a no kill night, I think we need to consider conversion an option.

Also, other thing I just picked up on:
I mentioned during my first LIS lynch that I was throwing a vote his direction because I thought his teasing/spat/whatevertheheckyouwanttocallit was serving as a distraction. While going through SOV's posts I noticed that the two of them have had quite a bit of back-and-forth at certain points. As they have both been playing this game since the Jurassic period, it could very well have just been typical game chatter for them, but I could also interpret it as more distraction. Ironically, part of that conversation was regarding LIS/DVMD spatting as a distraction.

SOV & LIS bicker like this all the time. It's totally normal for them. Also, conversions corresponding to no kill nights is a relatively new mechanic. This was brought up in one of the more recent games. It may have even been Dy that brought it up, so I could see her implementing that. I'm also still hoping for no converts this game, but that's just me.

 

[1doggeek]

I'm not feeling the jil lynch. I don't think there's been enough weird comments by her for me to think she's a wolf. Could be wrong if course, that's just how I've read her posts.

Between LIS and SOV I am inclined to lean towards SOV. He's talking a lot - but I feel like a lot of his strategy could be from a wolf trying to blend in.

I am torn though because I can definitely see rojo's point about LIS being a distraction at this point with everyone wondering. Not sure I wanna lynch someone on those grounds though since there's other people I'm more suspicious of right now.

 

[WildZoo]

Rereading and came across this. Y'all are gonna lynch LIS before he achieves his goal? 😉

LIS' goal is to pick a fight with DVMD at some point during the game just so she and I can more easily make our post count. You in, DVMD?

Anyway, onto real strategy stuff...

We also know from the initial post, since you know, some people didn't get any pm at all....

*********lynch LoTF**********

Anybody have any feelings about this day 1 vote from STL? I know wolves vote for other wolves especially on d1 but I have not seen, that I can recall or that I could find in some quick research, STL make a vote like this for a fellow wolf on d1 in previous games. RNG votes are common (not for him particularly, but for wolf on wolf d1 voting in general), but a vote that could have gotten attention from other players and started something...less common.

Right now, I think it's jojo. The comment he posted saying "if you seered me, you can signal me" seems in genuine to me. The odds that someone picked him out of all these people, after only one technical day, is really low. But the comment makes it seem like he has nothing to hide. He has a better chance of making people believe he's not a wolf than having been seen. I also think if STL is a seer, and has been told not to reveal anyone unless they were a wolf, then he would know for sure that he was safe and that it was a good gamble to take.

Let me know if I'm doing this wrong

Lynch drjojo

Here's another villager point for rojo. I don't think a new wolf would be likely to make a post like this about a veteran teammate.

I'm all the way back in the early game because I was trying to analyze some things pre- STL's seer reveal, and then pre-WTF's reveal on d2. This has proven difficult as I am on the verge of falling back asleep. So I'm sorry if nothing I'm saying makes sense. It hasn't helped me decide whether to vote for SOV or Zen anyway (LoTF and rojo were already low on my list). I'm looking at the AB lynch next.

 

[WildZoo]

I meant your vote for me was lazy because you didn't offer any reason behind it, that's all! I didn't mean to offend.

Heh, I'm not offended, I'm just messing with you 🙂

 

[1doggeek]

Before I forget to get a lynch vote in and get busy:
***lynch SOV***

 

[WildZoo]

And AB's posts bring me back to day 1. I'll get to her lynch day eventually.

Unlynch PBC, lynch @AlphaBeta<3 Noobs should know how to lynch properly.

Bold your vote or else bracket the lynch vote with symbols like ***** Lynch AlphaBeta *****

wow, I haven't heard the word "noob" since 2007? 2008?

***LYNCH RESOLUTE MIKE*****

Recalling for a moment that SOV took over for RM, does this read like a wolf-wolf interaction to anyone? It doesn't to me.

I think it's RM. At first I was confused as to his reason for lynching me (because I'm a new player, so apparently I should be out before I'm even in). But now thinking about it, it's easier for him to get someone who nobody knows out or cares about out of the game.

AB then made this post a little bit later. Pretty much same thing I said above for rojo, I don't see her making a post like this about a fellow wolf on day 1. Unless she was just being spiteful about him throwing a vote her way, which is possible.

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

Lynch lotf

I know I'm getting to be a broken record with this, but I don't like either the LIS or Jilary lynch. lady has seemed off thus far this game to me. I've got nothing to back it up, but I'm thinking dvmd could be our veteran Wolf. She's played well, and I havent had a single solid feel from anything she's said thus far which is what makes me suspicious.

Wait, you want to lynch me because DVMD might be a wolf?

Truly, your logic is dizzying.

 

[DVMDream]

Wait, you want to lynch me because DVMD might be a wolf?

Truly, your logic is dizzying.

I think she's lynching you because you have "seemed off".

I took the rest to be about me. She has had no feels about me so that makes her suspicious of me. I dunno, that's how I read it. Honestly, it made me laugh. I haven't felt suspicious of you and that makes me suspicious.

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

With no traction or even comment on my B_C vote earlier, (see, I can't even remember who for) I'll go back to a prior days lynch vote and swap:

Unlynch the Bside
Lynch LIS

 

[LetItSnow]

Lynch Jilary or Kaydubs.

And I know the logic says Rojo shouldn't be a wolf - but I just can't get past my gut feeling that he is.

G'luck village.

 

[WildZoo]

Oh, good thread is still open. I fell asleep 😳 lynch kaydubs is the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment. My gut doesn't like it but maybe that's a good thing?

 

[WildZoo]

I want to figure out who among the more vocal players is a wolf because i feel like there has to be a wolf there but i ****ing can't

 

[kaydubs]

Oh, good thread is still open. I fell asleep 😳 lynch kaydubs is the only thing that makes sense to me at the moment. My gut doesn't like it but maybe that's a good thing?

I have serious hard feelings. Like all of them.

 

[WildZoo]

I have serious hard feelings. Like all of them.

😢

 

[Skimble]

I'm really starting to second guess the LIS lynch. I didn't expect him to keep proclaiming his innocence 40 min after lunch was supposed to close. I'm not sure there is anything i can do about it now though. Anyone know what the current lynch tally is?

 

[kaydubs]

I'm really starting to second guess the LIS lynch. I didn't expect him to keep proclaiming his innocence 40 min after lunch was supposed to close. I'm not sure there is anything i can do about it now though. Anyone know what the current lynch tally is?

I was gonna tally but I just wrote a draining post in the Rant thread so......I need to go crawl under a rock for awhile....

 

[Trilt]

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This is probably somewhere close to right.

Official Lynch Tally
LIS 6 (SOV, rojo, jil, Zen, BBC, LotF)
teep 1 (BSC)
jilary 2 (LIS, genny)
bbc 1 (kdizzle)
SOV 2 (dvmd, 1dog)
kdubs 1 (WZ)
LOTF 2 (PBC, Teep)

 

[kaydubs]

***********
This is probably somewhere close to right.

Official Lynch Tally
LIS 6 (SOV, rojo, jil, Zen, BBC, LotF)
teep 1 (BSC)
jilary 2 (LIS, genny)
BSC 1 (LoTF)
bbc 1 (kdizzle)
SOV 2 (dvmd, 1dog)
kdubs 1 (WZ)
LOTF 2 (PBC, Teep)

FTFY
Unofficial Lynch Tally
LIS 6 (SOV, rojo, jil, Zen, BBC, LotF)
teep 1 (BSC)
jilary 2 (LIS, genny)
bbc 1 (kdizzle)
SOV 2 (dvmd, 1dog)
kdubs 1 (WZ)
LOTF 2 (PBC, Teep)
15/15 (was troubled that there were more votes than players 😉 )

 

[Trilt]

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FTFY
Unofficial Lynch Tally
LIS 6 (SOV, rojo, jil, Zen, BBC, LotF)
teep 1 (BSC)
jilary 2 (LIS, genny)
bbc 1 (kdizzle)
SOV 2 (dvmd, 1dog)
kdubs 1 (WZ)
LOTF 2 (PBC, Teep)
15/15 (was troubled that there were more votes than players 😉 )

I'm a bit of an SOV-style tallier, but I try. 😉

 

[StartingoverVet]

I meant your vote for me was lazy because you didn't offer any reason behind it, that's all! I didn't mean to offend.


SOV & LIS bicker like this all the time. It's totally normal for them. Also, conversions corresponding to no kill nights is a relatively new mechanic. This was brought up in one of the more recent games. It may have even been Dy that brought it up, so I could see her implementing that. I'm also still hoping for no converts this game, but that's just me.

This is a minor point...but conversions being no kill nights is not new...it is actually the original way...wolves had one group kill a night or else one night they could convert instead....allowing both or having those abilities tied to an individual player are more "recent" changes.

 

[thedrjojo]

Mod abandonment?

 

[kaydubs]

Mod abandonment?

holiday jolly day?

 

[WildZoo]

If she waits until later today to close lynch, the night cycles will be overnight again 😀

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

****
Happy 4th of July all!
****

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Now that it is open later I'm starting to rethink my lynch vote again....

 

[Glammyre]

holiday jolly day?

Yeah, I'm guessing she's busy with family.

 

[Skimble]

I'm definitely considering changing my LIS vote if anyone else is up for it. I'll kick myself if I change it and he turns out to be a wolf though!

 

[StartingoverVet]

Mod abandonment?

More like breakdown of her bionics and or neural net.

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

I'm definitely considering changing my LIS vote if anyone else is up for it. I'll kick myself if I change it and he turns out to be a wolf though!

But my top choices right now are LIS and SOV and then DVMD (and a bit rojo and Dubz and Jilary and... yeah, you're all still sketchy)
If we are going to believe the LIS sad sapping, does that mean we need to go for one of the gloaters.

 

[thedrjojo]

Still feeling a bit abandoned, not gonna lie

 

[LetItSnow]

If she waits until later today to close lynch, the night cycles will be overnight again 😀

Could just close it, get results out, and give a long night cycle. I don't see the votes changing, unfortunately.

 

[WildZoo]

Still feeling a bit abandoned, not gonna lie

Don't be a baby

 

[LetItSnow]

I'm definitely considering changing my LIS vote if anyone else is up for it. I'll kick myself if I change it and he turns out to be a wolf though!

At this point I would suspect the wolves would throw a mini tantrum in PMs if it was kept open and people switched their votes, since the wolves have at the moment locked up another villager lynch.

I still think Rojo is sketch - but I don't disagree with his "better to resolve the question" point. If I don't get lynched today it will just be an issue tomorrow unless we lynch one of my top suspects AND I'm right.

One comment about Kaydubs. She said she was talking to the mod about subbing or mod kill. Don't assume that is true. I have many many times used fictional "talked with the mod" types of things since it carries an air of credibility. The mod can't confirm or deny (at least, until there is actual action). She may have made that up just for the sympathy factor to allow her to continue not REALLY participating. Big smoke screen.

 

[LetItSnow]

Don't be a baby

Have you not SEEN Rojo? He looks like a giant human baby.

 

[PrincessButterCup]

I don't think any votes made after lynch was supposed to close will count. They don't in Dy's other games.

 

[LetItSnow]

Have you not SEEN Rojo? He looks like a giant human baby.

Especially with a chocotaco.

 

[thedrjojo]

Especially with a chocotaco.

Delicious

 

[DVMDream]

Have you not SEEN Rojo? He looks like a giant human baby.

 

[WildZoo]

One comment about Kaydubs. She said she was talking to the mod about subbing or mod kill. Don't assume that is true. I have many many times used fictional "talked with the mod" types of things since it carries an air of credibility. The mod can't confirm or deny (at least, until there is actual action). She may have made that up just for the sympathy factor to allow her to continue not REALLY participating. Big smoke screen.

STL actually did something similar early on. He kept talking about me getting subbed in for him even though SOV was in line ahead of me and dy hadn't said anything to me about it. Not sure exactly what his game was there but

 

[WildZoo]

Have you not SEEN Rojo? He looks like a giant human baby.

At least he looks like a human, he's got that going for him

 

[StartingoverVet]

In between all my flights today I graphed who is suspicious of whom so I can figure out who the wolves must be.... results are inconclusive:

 

[Skimble]

At this point I would suspect the wolves would throw a mini tantrum in PMs if it was kept open and people switched their votes, since the wolves have at the moment locked up another villager lynch.

I still think Rojo is sketch - but I don't disagree with his "better to resolve the question" point. If I don't get lynched today it will just be an issue tomorrow unless we lynch one of my top suspects AND I'm right.

One comment about Kaydubs. She said she was talking to the mod about subbing or mod kill. Don't assume that is true. I have many many times used fictional "talked with the mod" types of things since it carries an air of credibility. The mod can't confirm or deny (at least, until there is actual action). She may have made that up just for the sympathy factor to allow her to continue not REALLY participating. Big smoke screen.

Right now Rojo is high on my list. I feel like out of SOV, Rojo, DVMD & LIS one (or more) is likely a wolf.

 

[DVMDream]

Right now Rojo is high on my list. I feel like out of SOV, Rojo, DVMD & LIS one (or more) is likely a wolf.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I definitely think a wolf can be among those listed above, however the likelihood that a wolf is listed among the four above is no different than the likelihood of a wolf among any four, random remaining players.

Personally, I hate it when people become short-sighted and super focused on a group of players for whatever reason. It allows other players to slip through without notice. Let's not get tunnel vision on a group of people, it doesn't help us out as villagers.

 

[genny]

I'm not disagreeing with you. I definitely think a wolf can be among those listed above, however the likelihood that a wolf is listed among the four above is no different than the likelihood of a wolf among any four, random remaining players.

Personally, I hate it when people become short-sighted and super focused on a group of players for whatever reason. It allows other players to slip through without notice. Let's not get tunnel vision on a group of people, it doesn't help us out as villagers.

I suspect everyone except me.

 

[kaydubs]

She may have made that up just for the sympathy factor to allow her to continue not REALLY participating. Big smoke screen.

I am very tired of this....I really have a lot going on in real life, sir. I have been texting dy and will be gone next day cycle. If I'm still here, you can call me a liar, I won't even care anymore.

 

[LetItSnow]

I am very tired of this....I really have a lot going on in real life, sir. I have been texting dy and will be gone next day cycle. If I'm still here, you can call me a liar, I won't even care anymore.

Kaydubs, you can't take it personally. It's WW. You (general you, not you kaydubs) HAVE to assume someone is lying. And like I said, I - and many other players - have used some variation of "the mod said" or "I've talked to the mod" countless times.

I'm not saying you're lying OR telling the truth. I'm just making sure people don't simply accept at face value what you're saying. It's a WW game and this is the game thread. Lies are part of the game.

I get that you have a "lot going on in real life." But so do a lot of people.

And, as I've pointed out in previous games - being busy in real life doesn't mean that you aren't a wolf. The dice don't discriminate when the mod hands out rolls. The universe doesn't say "oops - can't make THIS person a wolf - they have a lot going on in life." You're just as likely to be a wolf as anyone by virtue of the fact that you signed up to play. Period. How much you have going on doesn't enter into the equation.

The facts that I *KNOW* to be true are that you haven't contributed much at all. You've ducked meaningful engagement and haven't offered any insight into anything, really. The things you've *SAID* are that you're busy, that you have talked about being sub'd out, etc. The former are things I KNOW, the latter are things you've CLAIMED. Might be 100% true, might not be.

If you actually think it's some sort of personal attack to call you out, you're being unreasonable.

 

[kaydubs]

I just....I can't. I just texted dyachei, I'm out. Enjoy the rest of the game.


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Thanks for the messages on the Rant thread, you guys. I do appreciate it. I think I just need to step away from EVERYTHING for awhile. I'm sorry how I've played this game. I should never have played in the first place.
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[Skimble]

I'm not disagreeing with you. I definitely think a wolf can be among those listed above, however the likelihood that a wolf is listed among the four above is no different than the likelihood of a wolf among any four, random remaining players.

Personally, I hate it when people become short-sighted and super focused on a group of players for whatever reason. It allows other players to slip through without notice. Let's not get tunnel vision on a group of people, it doesn't help us out as villagers.

Well I'm the only one I KNOW to be a villager, so I have to shorten the list somehow. Right now Zen, PBC and Kaydubs are low on my list. Do I think there is likely an experienced wolf, yes, but there are also gut feels that make me think someone from that list is a wolf.

 

[genny]

I just....I can't. I just texted dyachei, I'm out. Enjoy the rest of the game.


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Thanks for the messages on the Rant thread, you guys. I do appreciate it. I think I just need to step away from EVERYTHING for awhile. I'm sorry how I've played this game. I should never have played in the first place.
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I don't think you need to apologize for how you played this game. Sucks that you're going through a rough patch. And I know it may not mean much coming from me, but I have confidence that life hasn't given you more than you can handle. Take care of yourself.
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