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I don't know who said it (can't go check right now), but I agree with whoever said that I think people might be blowing off roles too quickly and too easily. Sure, Dy implied they would be diminished somewhat, but .... I doubt this is 100% vanillager vs 100% vanillawolfie.

And in one sense, roles are more critical than ever - in recent (like, last few YEARS) games, mods have gotten ever more fond of giving wolfy-sounding roles to villagers, and villager-sounding roles to wolves, etc. All in the name of giggling behind the scenes at the confused villagers. In this game, it's much more likely that roles are straight-up.

I think it was vethed!

I guess maybe I'm taking the objective of this game, or what we need to take away for future ww games a bit too literally. I do think the roles will be more direct, but as a noob my biggest concern is how to correctly test information. As long as I've played, the emphasis has been on roles and items.
 
I think it was vethed!

I guess maybe I'm taking the objective of this game, or what we need to take away for future ww games a bit too literally. I do think the roles will be more direct, but as a noob my biggest concern is how to correctly test information. As long as I've played, the emphasis has been on roles and items.
Lynching? If there are no items and we can't count on roles, then the only way to find out if someone is who they say they are is to lynch them. But we should probably talk about it first. 🙂
 
I've played a lot of games as a vanillager. Not sure if that's because I'm a noob or not, but I usually prefer it in games. However!! I understand it as a basics game though. Making lots of roles with lots of abilities goes beyond basics. So that's why I agree that my guess is we have minimal roles

I thought the reason for a ton of vanillager roles was to take emphasis of of role and item-focused gameplay. Basically, anyone could claim vanillager, so the point is to make it where we can't just brush it off and really pick apart each others posts.
 
I thought the reason for a ton of vanillager roles was to take emphasis of of role and item-focused gameplay. Basically, anyone could claim vanillager, so the point is to make it where we can't just brush it off and really pick apart each others posts.
Yeah that's pretty much exactly what I meant in my post, but you worded it better.
 
I only meant I have more fun not being vanilla but that 100% what you said makes sense.
 
Well, then whom are you suspicious of? If you want me to switch my vote, then point a finger at someone else.
I think it's RM. At first I was confused as to his reason for lynching me (because I'm a new player, so apparently I should be out before I'm even in). But now thinking about it, it's easier for him to get someone who nobody knows out or cares about out of the game.
 
I thought the reason for a ton of vanillager roles was to take emphasis of of role and item-focused gameplay. Basically, anyone could claim vanillager, so the point is to make it where we can't just brush it off and really pick apart each others posts.

I'm actually glad to have a game like this. I was getting sick of games where there were roles everywhere, items everywhere, etc. It causes people to rely way too much on items and unarguable results. That results in players needed to be spoon-fed solid information rather than relying on patterns, subtle gameplay, etc. WW is about paranoia, accusations, any sneakymcsneakerton stuff. Not just sitting back and waiting for a seer to tell you everything you need to know.
 
Also, how do I know how many relevant posts I have? can someone please tell me?
 
Well, then whom are you suspicious of? If you want me to switch my vote, then point a finger at someone else.
I still don't have a glaring suspicion of anyone yet, as it's still only the first day. My current vote was just an RNG.

I don't think that just because STL is being talkative and may or may not have a role in this game isn't enough of a reason (at least to me) to lynch him yet in this game.
 
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I recommend when you want to check what you have said or another player has said, to click on your/their Messages count # under the avatar. It will pull up all posted messages. Another way is to go up to the search bar and type their user name and this thread. 🙂
 
I think it's RM. At first I was confused as to his reason for lynching me (because I'm a new player, so apparently I should be out before I'm even in). But now thinking about it, it's easier for him to get someone who nobody knows out or cares about out of the game.
I think his reason for lynching you is as valid as an RNG vote. It's probably not something you should take personally.
 
I'm actually glad to have a game like this. I was getting sick of games where there were roles everywhere, items everywhere, etc. It causes people to rely way too much on items and unarguable results....Not just sitting back and waiting for a seer to tell you everything you need to know.

Couldn't agree with this more. I do feel guilty of this 🙁
 
One thing I saw while I was catching up - I think it was @FillyBay who gave the definition of chaos roles.

I've always made a distinction between "neutral" and "chaos". Neutral is just trying to stay alive until endgame and truly wins with either side, while chaos is on their own and doesn't like to share wins. Thus, neutral can be OK to leave alive while chaos gets taken out as fast as possible by villagers and wolves alike. What are other people's thoughts on this?
I agree that there is definitely a difference between neutral and chaos. I've played both roles. But there are games where chaos can with WITH the wolves or villagers. They may still be out for themselves and screw things up though so it's usually best to get rid of them imo. Neutral players generally don't "win" at all or just need to survive til the end of the game and "win" with whatever side/faction won.
 
Something this made me think about is that the wolves can't strategize as a group yet - it's still day one and they can only chat at night. Currently it's probably extremely difficult for experienced wolves to guide any nooby wolflings on how to act in thread.

Ooh yeah, great point! I'd completely forgotten about that rule.
 
Nah, it's not just you. That's been trend recently because people tend to slack off when they don't have a role to feel special about.
But you are forgetting that each and every one of us is a special snowflake that deserves their own phenomenal role that is as special as we are! (Says the person guilty of usually giving everyone a decent role)
 
I still don't have a glaring suspicion of anyone yet, as it's still only the first day. My current vote was just an RNG.

I don't think that just because STL is being talkative and may or may not have a role in this game isn't enough of a reason (at least to me) to lynch him yet in this game.
I don't think STL is being any more talkative than anyone else, that's not the basis for my lynch vote. I just think RNG is something of a cop-out when people are posting this much. I find it hard to believe that with this much conversation, people can't pick apart a post and find a reason for a vote.
 
I agree that there is definitely a difference between neutral and chaos. I've played both roles. But there are games where chaos can with WITH the wolves or villagers. They may still be out for themselves and screw things up though so it's usually best to get rid of them imo. Neutral players generally don't "win" at all or just need to survive til the end of the game and "win" with whatever side/faction won.

Yeah--I think neutrals get a bad deal a lot, but at the same time I can understand why villagers would want to kill them asap. The very same reason they can win with either side means that they could be a liability (no guaranteed loyalty, can switch sides at any time once one seems more likely to win than another)
 
Yeah--I think neutrals get a bad deal a lot, but at the same time I can understand why villagers would want to kill them asap. The very same reason they can win with either side means that they could be a liability (no guaranteed loyalty, can switch sides at any time once one seems more likely to win than another)
And they still have that pesky problem of not counting toward villager numbers.
I don't think it makes sense to go after them right away, but if it's confusing at the end and you know who a neutral or chaos is, it is probably worth it to make them gone.
 
And they still have that pesky problem of not counting toward villager numbers.
I don't think it makes sense to go after them right away, but if it's confusing at the end and you know who a neutral or chaos is, it is probably worth it to make them gone.
I'd still say debatable for villagers or wolves to want to get rid of a neutral. Sure, they don't count towards their numbers, but that also means that getting rid of them wastes a side's "turn" (lynch for villagers, kill for wolves) that could be used to progress towards winning.

Now, off to go iso STL's posts. In this game, I like that language from the Mafia Universe forum.
 
I'd still say debatable for villagers or wolves to want to get rid of a neutral. Sure, they don't count towards their numbers, but that also means that getting rid of them wastes a side's "turn" (lynch for villagers, kill for wolves) that could be used to progress towards winning.

Now, off to go iso STL's posts. In this game, I like that language from the Mafia Universe forum.
Does iso = isolate?
I tried reading Dy's championship game, but the jargon was so dense it was off-putting.
 
I am guily of an RNG... So to make myself feel better, I am going to agree with the notion that STL seems rolely. It's the best info available right now. So

Unlynch wtf, lynch stl
 
Why is STL considered suspicious at this point? I haven't noticed anything wolfy about his posts?
 
Why is STL considered suspicious at this point? I haven't noticed anything wolfy about his posts?

No one belives him to be Wolfy. But he did say something indicative of him having a role earlier yesterday. Its better than an RNG on day one for this kind of game.
 
Does iso = isolate?
I tried reading Dy's championship game, but the jargon was so dense it was off-putting.

Yeah, it's looking at someone else's post by themselves out of context.
 
And they still have that pesky problem of not counting toward villager numbers.
I don't think it makes sense to go after them right away, but if it's confusing at the end and you know who a neutral or chaos is, it is probably worth it to make them gone.
Chaos, yes, because you don't know if they might win over the villagers once the wolves are gone. Neutrals, I'd leave alone since lynching them doesn't really benefit anyone.
But in any case, with a back to basics theme I'm thinking we probably won't see either of those roles in this game.
 
I'm not on board with the STL lynch right now. I agree he probably has a role based on the early post, but I also don't think the inciting comment about keeping track is worth lynching about. Honestly, what he's suggesting people look for is how I would try to play the game as a wolf, as I've discussed before.

On the other hand, I don't have anyone else I'm especially suspicious of. Time to update the spreadsheet. I need to study more tonight, so I'll be on late. I look forward to hearing more from STL 🙂

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Actually, I thought it meant "isolate", as in reading one person's posts isolated from the main thread :laugh:
 
No one belives him to be Wolfy. But he did say something indicative of him having a role earlier yesterday. Its better than an RNG on day one for this kind of game.

What if his role is similar to a seer? It could be bad to lynch that role.
 
Why is STL considered suspicious at this point? I haven't noticed anything wolfy about his posts?
Because "I have a role," as I posted at the beginning of the game and gave 1 post saying some people instead of some of us, which I would do regardless of if I had a role or not
 
I'm not feeling the STL lynch. Seems a bit odd to me that we would one to get rid of one of the people generating a lot of discussion. Seems to me like he won't last long if his discussion really proves to be a threat to wolves.

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I guess her posts seem a bit generic to me. Also not really feeling the RM option either.

 
If STL does actually have a role he'll likely be a target for the wolves soon if he is a villager. I'm not really feeling the STL lynch today. (but in saying that, I still have no idea who I'm voting to lynch yet)
 
Because "I have a role," as I posted at the beginning of the game and gave 1 post saying some people instead of some of us, which I would do regardless of if I had a role or not

Well, I think this may be a bandwagon then. (Perhaps, wolf-based...) I'm sticking with my vote until there's some better information.
 
This will be a slower paced game. There will be several rule changes. The point will be to get all players, veterans and noobs, to focus on strategy and gameplay instead of items and roles (I will not say if these will be present or not). If you do not pay attention to the rules, you will get a warning. If you gather enough warnings I will sub you out or modkill you.

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So who strikes you as suspicious?

I like hearing about other people's opinions, something more than RNG. I think it will help pinpoint wolves faster if they can't hide behind RNG and have to come up with reasons.

I currently have no evidence to support this, but I have some feels on Teep.
 
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I can never tell when you're a wolf so I'm glad you're not in this game. 😛
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My fiance says I should just tell you guys I'm playing anyway, even though I missed sign ups and the thread is already on page 9. I can do that, right? 😉
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No one belives him to be Wolfy. But he did say something indicative of him having a role earlier yesterday. Its better than an RNG on day one for this kind of game.

I disagree. Roles are likely very scarce in this game and I'd be wary of taking out someone potentially important.

This is a game where roles are likely scarce, and if we take out one of our key members (guessing protector, seer, blocker, or something classical like that) it will be very bad for the villagers.
Well, I think this may be a bandwagon then. (Perhaps, wolf-based...) I'm sticking with my vote until there's some better information.

Not necessarily. If I was a wolf and saw someone with a role getting lynched in a game like this, I would not intentionally bandwagon (or at the most, have only one or two of the group vote just to barely get the person ahead) because I would know every wolf that did would be on the suspicion list when the lynchee turned out to be important.
 
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In all seriousness, if you want a role, I was debating switching out after this lynch. Was going to give it to SOV, but it might be more entertaining for you two to somehow compete for it 😛
 
I'll explain why it is a bit different this game, at least IMO, than other games in a bit. Heading into the movies currently.

Ok, so yeah back later than I thought had some stuff happen that I had to take care of....

Anyway, I feel like this game is different than what some of the newer ww players are used to. Normally, I would say that just because people aren't talking much doesn't mean they are wolfy. And yes people get busy, etc. However this game is going to require discussion in order to pinpoint the wolves. As wolves post more and discuss more, it makes them more likely to slip up and make an error in their posting, especially if they are pressured and have their back up against a wall in which they have to defend themselves against. Compare that to other games where the vast majority of players (myself included at times) get busy and just sit back and kind of wait for information. Basically, we have become very lazy ww players. WW should normally be full of conversation and those that are more hesitant to converse tend to become the "suspicious" players.

Granted this isn't a black/white issue... not all wolves are going to be quiet/barely getting a posting minimum and obviously being new to the game makes people hesitant to post. There is definitely a gray zone to be acknowledged here. And, yes, even in this game people are going to get busy at times, not post as much one day, then post a bunch another day. So we really are just going to have to watch patterns and really read into what content people have in their posts to determine if there is anything to be suspicious of.
 
Not necessarily. If I was a wolf and saw someone with a role getting lynched in a game like this, I would not intentionally bandwagon (or at the most, have only one or two of the group vote just to barely get the person ahead) because I would know every wolf that did would be on the suspicion list when the lynchee turned out to be important.
I think a veteran wolf would be keen enough to avoid bandwagoning a potentially important villager right off the bat but as someone (VMH?) mentioned noobs wolves (if any) aren't able to talk to their counterparts yet and may have jumped the gun. Just something to consider.
 
In all seriousness, if you want a role, I was debating switching out after this lynch. Was going to give it to SOV, but it might be more entertaining for you two to somehow compete for it 😛
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For real though I'm unemployed, I have two 12 hour car trips in the next 5 days, this is exactly the type of game I want to play...so if you're going to switch out anyway...I can put on my STL hat 😉
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