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[genny]

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The general game questions will decrease with time. It happens anytime there are noobs. We've all had to deal with it.

You have to create speculation. You have to start to learn to read people and mention when you think something is off. It isn't easy at first, but it gets better with time. This is how ww is supposed to work.

I did speculate. I'd rather have one of the other two people I mentioned as lynch leaders, but I don't really have an opinion on RM either way.

 

[Skimble]

This is exactly the mindset you need to get out of. This is what the minimum post count is attempting to battle. Because everyone uses this as an excuse (I do it, too).

Official lynch tally:

Teep 2 (AM, PBC)
1dog 1 (Deva)
WTF 1 (rocky)
rocky 1 (shelter)
AB3 1 (RM)
guis 2 (zen, genny)
genny 1 (guis)
hayley 1 (1dog)
mq 1 (LoTF)
RM 4 (vetmedhead, AB3, sandy, WTF)
rojo 1 (kdizzle)
PBC 1 (hayley)
LoTF 2 (stl, LIS)
STL 1 (MQ)
Sandy 1 (Teep)

21/28 votes counted

3/28 post counts made

At first I thought you were saying I needed to get out of the mindset that posting 3 short posts instead of 1 long post was "cheating" and I was confused. I get what you are saying and I understand the point of your post minimum, I even appreciate it, I was more commenting on how it's just difficult for me right now, but I'm trying! 🙂

 

[BrownSwissCows]

Just as feedback from the player perspective .... (and I know you and I are on the same page with regard to encouraging discussion) .... I feel like 10/day cycle is a lot. I suspect 5/day cycle would accomplish the same goal without putting so much pressure on people. I'm a bit worried I'm going to have to be (or end up being) sub'd out because of failure to participate, just based on scheduling alone <even with> the 36-hr days (which I love).

I get it. But 10 is really not that much. I *want* a little pressure on people. FWIW, if someone doesn't meet the 10 post minimum it's not automatic ejection from the game. You just lose some opportunities. If you're still trying to participate, I'm not going to kick you out.

I see both sides of this and I think that perhaps an incremental increase of post minimums would touch on both. Inherently the first day or two are going to be slow. I could see 5/day being sufficient to generate discussion without feeling as forced as 10/day for day 1 and 2. Once you get to day 3 or 4 bumping the minimum up to 10/day wouldn't feel as forced because there should be more to talk about.

 

[dyachei]

I see both sides of this and I think that perhaps an incremental increase of post minimums would touch on both. Inherently the first day or two are going to be slow. I could see 5/day being sufficient to generate discussion without feeling as forced as 10/day for day 1 and 2. Once you get to day 3 or 4 bumping the minimum up to 10/day wouldn't feel as forced because there should be more to talk about.

Make something to talk about

 

[ResoluteMike]

Since I am in the lead I just want to say, I have been an anti wolf since that debacle in the Saints Row game. Folks like Cyndia and DocE are always wolves, I am their Dr. Doofenschmurtz or maybe Aquaman if you prefer. I am the red shirt of the villager team.

 

[dyachei]

I'm not changing the rule. So while I appreciate the concerns, it's not happening. Feel free to gripe as much as you want. Surely if you can talk about a rule as much as this you can find game related content to discuss

 

[deleted676737]

I think the 10 posts/day requirement is fine, in light of the longer cycles. 36 hours is a pretty generous amount of time to be able to get 10 posts in. Like others have said, it should definitely get easier as time progresses; being day 1, there just isn't a whole lot of speculation that can be done. I'm actually kinda impressed by how much actual game-related content has been posted already and I can already see the difference between the discussions going on in this game thread versus others, which I think is the point.

Also, re: the fluff/repeated posts, since I know people complained about that... if you go back and look at the timestamps on the earlier ones (especially page 4 and the first half or so of page 5), you'll see that many of those posts were made within 1-2 minutes of each other. There was considerably more traffic on the thread then and everyone was trying to respond all at once, so I feel it was kinda inevitable that there would be some repeated content. Just within the next page or so, things began improving in that regard. Not much of an excuse for the later ones, though.

Not trying to incite anything; just pointing out. 🙂

 

[LadyOtheFarm]

Anybody know who our 3 post successes are? I know we can look up each individual player... but if repetitive BS doesn't count, I think several players have more than 10 posts but aren't counting as such. (Again, I think I'm just stuck on mobile this game. No WIFI for the tablet at home and I somehow doubt it will help my career to spread across the conference table at work to build a spreadsheet full of my usual snark so small scale and notebook style it is. )

 

[vetmedhead]

I'm not changing the rule. So while I appreciate the concerns, it's not happening. Feel free to gripe as much as you want. Surely if you can talk about a rule as much as this you can find game related content to discuss

Nah, it's easier and more satisfying to my cold black heart to just complain about the game you put together and post memes. 😛

I did speculate. I'd rather have one of the other two people I mentioned as lynch leaders, but I don't really have an opinion on RM either way.

Genny, who did you speculate about? I can only remember you saying STL was suspicious for his wording and behavior in posts, which I agree with.

I mentioned earlier that I thought RM was having a bad WW day and I think he may currently be an early lynch leader because he made fun of the noobs. 😛 I'm open to changing my lynch vote to someone else.

Unlynch RM, lynch STL, for now.

 

[BrownSwissCows]

Anybody know who our 3 post successes are? I know we can look up each individual player... but if repetitive BS doesn't count, I think several players have more than 10 posts but aren't counting as such. (Again, I think I'm just stuck on mobile this game. No WIFI for the tablet at home and I somehow doubt it will help my career to spread across the conference table at work to build a spreadsheet full of my usual snark so small scale and notebook style it is. )

I'm pretty sure LIS is one of them. He's made some valid points and been at the front of a lot of those conversations that just turned into repetition.

I think STL is another.

No clue on the third.

 

[DVMDream]

Paging Dr. @DVMDream , paging Dr. @DVMDream ..... consult required in cardiology stat.

What? I'm sleeping, it's my day off.

 

[deleted676737]

I'm pretty sure LIS is one of them. He's made some valid points and been at the front of a lot of those conversations that just turned into repetition.

I think STL is another.

No clue on the third.

Agreed on LIS and STL.

I'm strictly on mobile for this game, so I can't go back and check individual post counts, but I know that, outside of the two aforementioned, Rocky, VMH, and myself have made at least 10 posts thus far, though obviously not all posts here are considered equally in terms of content, so it's anyone's guess who that third person is. There may be another player who's made the minimum that I'm forgetting...

There's quite a few people who are getting really close to 10, too.

 

[1doggeek]

Nah, it's easier and more satisfying to my cold black heart to just complain about the game you put together and post memes. 😛


Genny, who did you speculate about? I can only remember you saying STL was suspicious for his wording and behavior in posts, which I agree with.

I mentioned earlier that I thought RM was having a bad WW day and I think he may currently be an early lynch leader because he made fun of the noobs. 😛 I'm open to changing my lynch vote to someone else.

Unlynch RM, lynch STL, for now.

Someone being "roley" wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing would it? Since there's probably a few villager roles too?

 

[deleted676737]

Someone being "roley" wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing would it? Since there's probably a few villager roles too?

I was thinking this, too, and it's largely the reason why I hesitate to vote for STL right now. I would imagine that, at the very least, there may be a seer or two -- those are pretty much universal in mafia/WW games, from what I've seen.

That, and I really don't like voting for people based off wording/tone unless it's really off... especially so early game.

 

[kaydubs]

I am doubting items. I feel like some n00b would have chimed in with "no, I know there are items because I'm holding one" and painted a big bullseye on their back.

Rojo might have done it, too, if he had one. 😉

Yup, gotta say you're spot on with that. I also hope this is truly a straightforward, well balanced game as I expect dyachei created it to be.

 

[kaydubs]

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Maybe we can work together.
Team SOVdubs? KayOV? Team potted plants?
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Woof. Sobdubs. I likes it.

 

[kaydubs]

As far as continued speculation (while I'm sucking up free public wifi while my parental units are car browsing), I would have hardcore admiration for a straightforward numbers game, wolves: villagers. I think 3 role types would be an awesome basic mechanic.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Agreed on LIS and STL.

I'm strictly on mobile for this game, so I can't go back and check individual post counts, but I know that, outside of the two aforementioned, Rocky, VMH, and myself have made at least 10 posts thus far, though obviously not all posts here are considered equally in terms of content, so it's anyone's guess who that third person is. There may be another player who's made the minimum that I'm forgetting...

There's quite a few people who are getting really close to 10, too.

My goal for this game is to actually be involved as I used to be without the craziness from way back then. Usually, me talking a lot has gotten me lynched, probably the biggest cause of me getting lynched in the past. I am actually enjoying the idea of a game where I can effectively strategize without that being the case.

 

[heyyimhayley]

I was thinking this, too, and it's largely the reason why I hesitate to vote for STL right now. I would imagine that, at the very least, there may be a seer or two -- those are pretty much universal in mafia/WW games, from what I've seen.

That, and I really don't like voting for people based off wording/tone unless it's really off... especially so early game.

Pretty sure STL was the one who claimed seer in a game when he was a wolf. So his saying he has an important villager role doesn't do anything for me. But I would feel that way about anyone, just I get alarm bells with him in particular.

 

[deleted676737]

Pretty sure STL was the one who claimed seer in a game when he was a wolf. So his saying he has an important villager role doesn't do anything for me. But I would feel that way about anyone, just I get alarm bells with him in particular.

That's certainly fair, though I don't think STL himself has stated that he has an important villager role here (though I've admittedly skimmed most posts, so please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong); from what I've seen, that was just speculation based on the wording of one particular post that he made and the fact that he commented before Dyachei's vanillager disclaimer, the latter of which I especially don't think is at all related to whether or not he has a role so much as he just happened to be online at the time and, by his own admission, he is usually one of the first people to post on new games.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Pretty sure STL was the one who claimed seer in a game when he was a wolf. So his saying he has an important villager role doesn't do anything for me. But I would feel that way about anyone, just I get alarm bells with him in particular.

Yeah I am not claiming a big important role. I am specifically saying that I am not saying it lol. If you need my reasoning, read back.

 

[WhtsThFrequency]

As far as continued speculation (while I'm sucking up free public wifi while my parental units are car browsing), I would have hardcore admiration for a straightforward numbers game, wolves: villagers. I think 3 role types would be an awesome basic mechanic.

Years ago a bunch of us Loungers set up an anonymous game on a separate forum with just wolves vs villagers. I can't even remember if there were any other roles. Me, DocE, and D4L (I think) were the wolves and we swept the entire game without a single wolf lynch. It was epic.

 

[vetmedhead]

Someone being "roley" wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing would it? Since there's probably a few villager roles too?

Good point. I'll read back through STL's stuff to see if I get any extreme alarm bells about him or if I should switch to somebody else. My concern is that it's easy to claim that you have a role, but not an important one to conceal some potential wolfiness. I can also see not wanting to share role information for obvious reasons. Now that I think about it, I think it makes more sense for a wolf to explicitly try to claim vanillager unless it is blatantly apparent that they have a role ability.

 

[heyyimhayley]

Good point. I'll read back through STL's stuff to see if I get any extreme alarm bells about him or if I should switch to somebody else. My concern is that it's easy to claim that you have a role, but not an important one to conceal some potential wolfiness. I can also see not wanting to share role information for obvious reasons. Now that I think about it, I think it makes more sense for a wolf to explicitly try to claim vanillager unless it is blatantly apparent that they have a role ability.

Yeah definitely true. A wolf would claim vanilla because there's pretty much no way that that could be 100% disproven unless there's tracking (or being lynched due to other suspicions). Anyway, I'm not saying claiming a role makes someone suspicious , just that it doesn't take them off the hook that was my main point.

 

[kaydubs]

Years ago a bunch of us Loungers set up an anonymous game on a separate forum with just wolves vs villagers. I can't even remember if there were any other roles. Me, DocE, and D4L (I think) were the wolves and we swept the entire game without a single wolf lynch. It was epic.

I would love this concept.

 

[BrownSwissCows]

Good point. I'll read back through STL's stuff to see if I get any extreme alarm bells about him or if I should switch to somebody else. My concern is that it's easy to claim that you have a role, but not an important one to conceal some potential wolfiness. I can also see not wanting to share role information for obvious reasons. Now that I think about it, I think it makes more sense for a wolf to explicitly try to claim vanillager unless it is blatantly apparent that they have a role ability.

I doubt there are any unimportant roles in this game. Even a PM type role, which I know some people don't find important, would be pretty useful.

Dy said that there was a possibility that people could lose/gain roles based on participation, so I think claims involving changes in role might pop up at some point too.

 

[genny]

Good point. I'll read back through STL's stuff to see if I get any extreme alarm bells about him or if I should switch to somebody else. My concern is that it's easy to claim that you have a role, but not an important one to conceal some potential wolfiness. I can also see not wanting to share role information for obvious reasons. Now that I think about it, I think it makes more sense for a wolf to explicitly try to claim vanillager unless it is blatantly apparent that they have a role ability.

Pretty sure STL hasn't claimed any role at all. I only mentioned the 3 early posters to give us a starting place to talk about individual players, but I do agree that it could just net us a villager who has a role instead of a wolf. I haven't really played with STL, so I don't know how to read him, but so far RM and Sandy aren't setting off any alarm bells for me.

 

[Devastating]

Lunch. What is the most updated lynch tally?

 

[DVMDream]

Has someone claimed to have a role? I haven't seen that.

I was thinking of voting for someone who is concerned about the 10 posts/day thing. The reason being as LIS stated earlier that wolves ate going to have a much more difficult time with that because it forces them to converse. However, I also understand, especially early on, how the 10 posts/day is frustrating. So I'm torn on this part. Any other thoughts on this?

 

[sheltermed]

This is probably really obvious, but whoever gets the most votes gets lynched? Do multiple people get lynched in one vote round?

Could someone also please briefly explain the time cycle to me? Is 36 hours an entire day or?

 

[DVMDream]

This is probably really obvious, but whoever gets the most votes gets lynched? Do multiple people get lynched in one vote round?

Could someone also please briefly explain the time cycle to me? Is 36 hours an entire day or?

Whoever gets most votes is lynched. Usually multiple people don't get lynched.

The "day" is when we lynch it will last 36 hours. The "night" is when wolves kill and villagers perform actions if they have any, it will last 12 hours.

 

[Devastating]

Has someone claimed to have a role? I haven't seen that.

I was thinking of voting for someone who is concerned about the 10 posts/day thing. The reason being as LIS stated earlier that wolves ate going to have a much more difficult time with that because it forces them to converse. However, I also understand, especially early on, how the 10 posts/day is frustrating. So I'm torn on this part. Any other thoughts on this?

Nah, I don't think it'd be all that hard for a wolf to come up with new topics of discussion, plus it'd seem way too easy/obvious if a wolf really did draw attention by whining about having to converse...and like you mentioned it is only day 1--but then, I am a bit biased since I'm also one of those worried if I'll be able to meet the post minimum every time 😛

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Although I haven't voted for any of them, I agree that that information on who posted before the roles came out is the strongest we have so far. It's D1, there really isn't much to go off of

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Has someone claimed to have a role? I haven't seen that.

I was thinking of voting for someone who is concerned about the 10 posts/day thing. The reason being as LIS stated earlier that wolves ate going to have a much more difficult time with that because it forces them to converse. However, I also understand, especially early on, how the 10 posts/day is frustrating. So I'm torn on this part. Any other thoughts on this?

I will have more time to do this after tomorrow, but if someone can keep track of who is staying more low key on posts and appears to be posting as little as possible/is not meeting the 10 post requirement, that will be helpful

 

[guisantes]

Has someone claimed to have a role? I haven't seen that.

I was thinking of voting for someone who is concerned about the 10 posts/day thing. The reason being as LIS stated earlier that wolves ate going to have a much more difficult time with that because it forces them to converse. However, I also understand, especially early on, how the 10 posts/day is frustrating. So I'm torn on this part. Any other thoughts on this?

I agree with the idea that having to post a lot mm is much harder for the wolves than it is for the villagers. At this early point in the game I think everyone is going to have a rough time coming up with things to talk about, but I definitely think it will be useful later on to pay attention to who is talking more and what they are saying.

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

I'm not really seeing all the issues with people thinking wolves will post less. (Disclaimer: never been a wolf so have no personal experience). I feel like there is enough stuff to talk about (with this being the only communication line) that you could still get your 10 posts in, even by just agreeing with things that others have said.

In the last few games I have also seen people who are very much strategic and talking who end up being wolfy. *Cough* @Lupin21

The train of thought here just doesn't make sense to me

 

[TheGirlWithTheFernTattoo]

Although I haven't voted for any of them, I agree that that information on who posted before the roles came out is the strongest we have so far. It's D1, there really isn't much to go off of

As a side note to this comment: Although it is our best info, it could be wolfy or regarding roles. Since so few people have roles this game they are going to be very beneficial and I would be worried about lynching them so quickly.

 

[Devastating]

I now know from co modding last game just how much wolves pay attention to...how much attention they're each getting 😛
they'll likely figure out a way to best stay low key without being TOO suspiciously low key--or in the case of this game, how to meet post requirements without letting any mannerisms/inconsistencies etc. slip for us to notice.

 

[1doggeek]

I'm not really seeing all the issues with people thinking wolves will post less. (Disclaimer: never been a wolf so have no personal experience). I feel like there is enough stuff to talk about (with this being the only communication line) that you could still get your 10 posts in, even by just agreeing with things that others have said.

In the last few games I have also seen people who are very much strategic and talking who end up being wolfy. *Cough* @Lupin21

The train of thought here just doesn't make sense to me

I think the train of thought is that wolves don't want to accidentally say something that makes themselves seem suspicious, and wanna fly under the radar a little bit more. A villager is gonna hard core wanna get a wolf but a wolf might want to not be as involved. Just involved enough that nobody gets suspicious but not so involved as to draw extra suspicion. (Hypothetically. Obviously everyone plays differently!)

 

[heyyimhayley]

I will have more time to do this after tomorrow, but if someone can keep track of who is staying more low key on posts and appears to be posting as little as possible/is not meeting the 10 post requirement, that will be helpful

I see where this logic is coming from, but some people don't post as much as others in any game, and I've heard it said by vets in lots of previous games that quiet does not equal wolfy.

 

[heyyimhayley]

Also sorry just a clarification question , is close tonight or tomorrow night?

 

[Filly Bay]

I'm really not sure how much focusing on the quieter players or people worried about the 10 post count will help. There are lots of reasons why people might be quiet/busy. I'm without wifi until Sat night and quickly running out of phone data for one.

 

[Filly Bay]

Also sorry just a clarification question , is close tonight or tomorrow night?

36 hours later would be tonight.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

Also sorry just a clarification question , is close tonight or tomorrow night?

Tonight.

And I will agree to disagree. In a game like this, certain people being as quiet as possible would indicate wolfiness. I am not saying that everyone that posts just at 10 or under 10 is wolfy. I am saying that its based off of the person.

 

[SummerTheLynx]

I'm really not sure how much focusing on the quieter players or people worried about the 10 post count will help. There are lots of reasons why people might be quiet/busy. I'm without wifi until Sat night and quickly running out of phone data for one.

It's also about trends. If you have one day that you are busy, then you have a day that you are busy. But in the long run, it will hopefully provide some helpful info. Or pressure wolves into talking more and messing up.

 

[thedrjojo]

No, I don't have any items. Maybe if I had one I would share, maybe I wouldn't. But so far, 0 items

 

[DVMDream]

I see where this logic is coming from, but some people don't post as much as others in any game, and I've heard it said by vets in lots of previous games that quiet does not equal wolfy.

I'll explain why it is a bit different this game, at least IMO, than other games in a bit. Heading into the movies currently.

 

[BrownSwissCows]

There were probably enough of us (and I say us because I was part of it) that had some sort complaint/comment about the 10 post rule that someone might have been a wolf. I think it's something worth keeping track of and seeing if other things don't seem to add up as the game progresses.

 

[thedrjojo]

Tonight.

And I will agree to disagree. In a game like this, certain people being as quiet as possible would indicate wolfiness. I am not saying that everyone that posts just at 10 or under 10 is wolfy. I am saying that its based off of the person.

Some of us have slept like 8hrs in the past 48hrs, and while they tend to post a lot and usually with strategy, haven't been able to just yet.

Plus, usually my posts are fluff.

 

[heyyimhayley]

Tonight.

And I will agree to disagree. In a game like this, certain people being as quiet as possible would indicate wolfiness. I am not saying that everyone that posts just at 10 or under 10 is wolfy. I am saying that its based off of the person.

I'm really not sure how much focusing on the quieter players or people worried about the 10 post count will help. There are lots of reasons why people might be quiet/busy. I'm without wifi until Sat night and quickly running out of phone data for one.

Yeah, what FB said. And I don't want to be called wolfy for making excuses but I'm on vacation for 2 weeks, so probably most of the game if I live through the whole thing. So I'm just not comfortable with this whole post #s equate wolfy theory. And I'm sure other people have similar excuses/reasons and aren't wolves.