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I think it was somewhat to do with him steering votes away from STL day 1 and band wagoning on Hayley
Thanks, that actually does make sense. I was also willing to believe STL d1 because I figured if he was lying it wouldn't really buy him much time and was therefore a bold move. I should remember he had some crazy ideas when I was a wolf with him and I often didn't agree with him.
 
And I agree, if you've ever played WW you have an idea of the basic lay out, no matter how few times you've actually been a wolf. LoTF's comments are sketch.
Ok, we'll roll with this. I'm sketchy for knowing that wolves have had roles that are not typical in a "basics" game, that we have been playing with many more roles than are typical in a basics game, agreeing that a tracker role for wolves does sound like one of those "beyond basic for wolves," but being unsure what roles would be "basic" beyond the seer and a killer.

Am I wrong? Is a wolf tracker a typical role? Why in hell would they need it? Anybody care to go against all the reasons laid out for why it shouldn't be a role?

IRL games I've played it has been either bare bones: wolves and villagers, maybe an alpha, police/detective... or it has been heavily themed with lots of crazy roles, kinda how we have been playing. That experience would lead me to think that even a wolf seer sounds like an extra character. Someone laid out a rough chart for villager roles and how basic each of them was, but nothing for wolves. I think I'll go back and lynch that person for withholding info that might implicate a wolf. And because then, my question would have been answered rather than me being lynched for trying to figure out what you guys (or rather Dy) consider to be "basic" wolf roles.
 
On the topic of wolf roles, other than a wolf seer and blocker, what other basic roles do you guys think would be in a basics game? Maybe someone who can convert or that could also just be a pack ability?
Looking at Dy's championship game - maybe we have a wolf strongman?
"The Strongman modifier makes killing actions cut through all roleblocking and protection, including factional kills."

Maybe that's why STL claimed they knew the protector and would block them. He figured once the protector's action failed they would assume the wolves knew who they were and would out themselves on the thread?

There's a few others like jailkeeper (prevents any action good or bad on a player), ninja (can't be seered/tracked) and a few others.
 
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On the topic of wolf roles, other than a wolf seer and blocker, what other basic roles do you guys think would be in a basics game? Maybe someone who can convert or that could also just be a pack ability?
This is EXACTLY the question I am being lynched for. Careful!
 
Looking at Dy's championship game - maybe we have a wolf strongman?
"The Strongman modifier makes killing actions cut through all roleblocking and protection, including factional kills."

Maybe that's why STL claimed they knew the protector and would block them. He figured once the protector's action failed they would assume the wolves knew who they were and would out themselves on the thread?

There's a few others like jailkeeper (prevents any action good or bad on a player), ninja (can't be seered/tracked) and a few others.
I didn't read that game. Were their limits to the strongman? Like they could only use that ability X# of times during the game or every X# of nights?
 
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LOTF set off some flags for me day 1 but I didn't say anything because I always think she sounds wolfy even though 90% of the time she's a villager.
This is exactly why I don't really think she's a wolf. When LOTF plays like a villager I get suspicious because she always plays in a way that raises a ton of flags and makes her seem sketchy as all get out.

In previous games when she gets accused and she's a villager, she also usually gets defensive and sarcastic real fast and usually quotes other players who did similar things to what she was getting lynched for, which is exactly what she's doing here.

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This is EXACTLY the question I am being lynched for. Careful!
Like 3 people posted reasons why the wolves shouldn't have a tracker, I don't think I've ever seen a wolf tracker here or IRL, and the one time I was a wolf there was not a tracker. There. Were more words better for you?

Ok, we'll roll with this. I'm sketchy for knowing that wolves have had roles that are not typical in a "basics" game, that we have been playing with many more roles than are typical in a basics game, agreeing that a tracker role for wolves does sound like one of those "beyond basic for wolves," but being unsure what roles would be "basic" beyond the seer and a killer.

Am I wrong? Is a wolf tracker a typical role? Why in hell would they need it? Anybody care to go against all the reasons laid out for why it shouldn't be a role?

IRL games I've played it has been either bare bones: wolves and villagers, maybe an alpha, police/detective... or it has been heavily themed with lots of crazy roles, kinda how we have been playing. That experience would lead me to think that even a wolf seer sounds like an extra character. Someone laid out a rough chart for villager roles and how basic each of them was, but nothing for wolves. I think I'll go back and lynch that person for withholding info that might implicate a wolf. And because then, my question would have been answered rather than me being lynched for trying to figure out what you guys (or rather Dy) consider to be "basic" wolf roles.
 
This is exactly why I don't really think she's a wolf. When LOTF plays like a villager I get suspicious because she always plays in a way that raises a ton of flags and makes her seem sketchy as all get out.

In previous games when she gets accused and she's a villager, she also usually gets defensive and sarcastic real fast and usually quotes other players who did similar things to what she was getting lynched for, which is exactly what she's doing here.

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Also, Apologies for bringing a bunch of meta game junk into this conversation, I just think LOTF is playing in her usual style is all.
 
Also, Apologies for bringing a bunch of meta game junk into this conversation, I just think LOTF is playing in her usual style is all.
Thanks, I really get annoyed at being lynched for posting what in my mind are good questions, and in the same style as other players, but since I'm a noob thinking a step beyond repeating agreement with what the "elders" are saying, it makes me sketchy. It does make me jump to defensive quickly because to me it makes no sense.

In general, I open my mouth too quickly, but try for truth as much as possible because lying gets me all tense and jumpy and obvious and I often play mama hen, like pretending to be angry as a polar bear so the wolves would waste a kill on me. (Actually, I've done something similar twice, sacrificing myself so someone innocent would not be killed.) But I have also jumped to conclusions too quickly and gotten myself into trouble there too.
 
This is exactly why I don't really think she's a wolf. When LOTF plays like a villager I get suspicious because she always plays in a way that raises a ton of flags and makes her seem sketchy as all get out.

In previous games when she gets accused and she's a villager, she also usually gets defensive and sarcastic real fast and usually quotes other players who did similar things to what she was getting lynched for, which is exactly what she's doing here.

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There is one thing that LOTF always says as a villager, and I don't think she's done that yet. If she doesn't say it, that may be where my lynch vote goes unless another better option arises.
 
There is one thing that LOTF always says as a villager, and I don't think she's done that yet. If she doesn't say it, that may be where my lynch vote goes unless another better option arises.
if she has a tell, you probably shouldn't have said that. Now even if she does do it, it will be because she consciously thought of her usual mannerisms and is, imo, inadmissable
 
I get what doggeek meant, so that doesn't really raise a flag for me. There is definitely specific terminology that takes a little bit to get the hang of. And saying things in the wrong way can imply something completely different than what you mean

^^yup. It wasn't a "I need to word things carefully specifically in this game" comment, it was a "as a noob people say things that are suspicious even when that wasn't their intent" comment. As proven here, lol.

And yeah, I didn't think we should be killing STL right away on the idea that he had a villager role. But I'm definitely not alone in that thinking before WTF revealed...
 
also, I couldn't find the reasoning behind this when looking back. can you reiterate please?
She was looking for the person who posted a bunch of most common/basic villager roles but left out wolf roles
 
There is one thing that LOTF always says as a villager, and I don't think she's done that yet. If she doesn't say it, that may be where my lynch vote goes unless another better option arises.
I think I know what you're referring to, and I haven't seen it yet either.
 
There is one thing that LOTF always says as a villager, and I don't think she's done that yet. If she doesn't say it, that may be where my lynch vote goes unless another better option arises.

Awwwww, you remembered! Even though you were a wolf when I told you, it holds true. I have already alluded to it twice on day one:

Yeah, and Dy said anybody who didn't get a message is a vanillager. I'm either vanilla or not actually playing this game.
And somewhere else, but I don't remember the wording.

I am a villager. If I say it that plain, I mean it.
 
if she has a tell, you probably shouldn't have said that. Now even if she does do it, it will be because she consciously thought of her usual mannerisms and is, imo, inadmissable
And yes, I saw this, but in this case it doesn't matter. Jilary knows why. Though I pretty much spelled it out 2 posts ago. I really don't like to lie. I will try to twist words so that I am still telling a half truth at least long before I lie. I have won IRL with that strategy as a wolf, I do have a good poker face, but it is so much easier for me just to tell the truth than to lie. My brain just doesn't work that way well.
 
Maybe I'm getting too meta on this, but a lot of you guys are friends on Facebook. With the deadlines changed, maybe the wolves knew the protector wasn't going to be around and that's why they went for WTF. I know Kcough has done this before (and if she was playing that's who I would totally be lynching right now) so I wouldn't be surprised if other people have done this.

I also don't think STL was necessarily bluffing that the wolves know of another villager with a role. I think the tracker part though was an info fishing attempt.
 
##Lynch animal midwife##

Looking back (pages 8-10) genny was first to jump onto the Lynch of stl with me, and animal midwife was very defensive of him. Filly Bay was also raising flags, and my 3rd suspicion is actually LIS who in a very subtle way was trying to cast doubt from stl to me.
 
Meta-game play style analysis is definitely better than RNG. Don't apologize.
I think my issue is that some metagame playing is useful and strategic (knowing someone's play style is off, for example). Others I think are not in the spirit of the game and demonstrate poor sportsmanship, like going onto someone's SDN profile to see if they're PMing at night (i.e. a possible wolf) or checking their facebook to see if they're going to be out of town so you can take advantage of that.

I guess I just think some things rely on at least some level of strategy and critical thinking, while others don't, and I don't know what other people's thresholds are for that.
 
or perhaps this game has nothing to do with Dy'a mafia universe game. I guess time will tell.
10-post limit and 36/12 cycle reminds me of the Mafia Universe games, as I've said before. Nice catch on the strongman role!

Overall, I still think wolf block on protector is more likely. I don't think the strongman-type role is common on our SDN games, so I'm not sure if that would be considered a "basic" role. The Mafia Universe connection does raise the probability, though.
 
if she has a tell, you probably shouldn't have said that. Now even if she does do it, it will be because she consciously thought of her usual mannerisms and is, imo, inadmissable
I never believe anyone in WW. So even if she says it, I still may not believe it.
 
10-post limit and 36/12 cycle reminds me of the Mafia Universe games, as I've said before. Nice catch on the strongman role!

Overall, I still think wolf block on protector is more likely. I don't think the strongman-type role is common on our SDN games, so I'm not sure if that would be considered a "basic" role. The Mafia Universe connection does raise the probability, though.
I kind of agree, but I almost hope there is a strongman role.
 
Official lynch tally:
teep 4
(dvmd, meathead, SOV, am)
lotf 3 (LIS, AB, bbc)
kaydubs 1 (lotf)
AM 1 (rojo)

9/24 votes
4/24 minimums met

MOD NOTE: SoV will be taking over for RM
 
^^yup. It wasn't a "I need to word things carefully specifically in this game" comment, it was a "as a noob people say things that are suspicious even when that wasn't their intent" comment. As proven here, lol.

And yeah, I didn't think we should be killing STL right away on the idea that he had a villager role. But I'm definitely not alone in that thinking before WTF revealed...
Your post count is awful low. Yesterday you gave an excuse. Today you only commented on the post where I called you out.
 
Your post count is awful low. Yesterday you gave an excuse. Today you only commented on the post where I called you out.

Yeah, overnight backpacking trip. Yesterday lost service by the time I got there, today spent 9 hours driving home after hiking out. I'm trying to get caught up on the thread before I make any general strategy comments, but it's pretty easy to reply to comments directed at me without rereading.
 
I really like the idea of a strongman role! That would be a really neat thing to bring into games in the future. However, it really doesn't seem like it fits a barebones game (to me anyway)


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I got my official warning so if I don't make another post minimum one of you will probably be in for me lol
I guess I must have made the minimum because I didn't get a warning last night. Does it specifically tell you you'll be subbed out after missing the next day? Or just any other time when you don't meet the minimum?
 
Man. Coming back to this game after a few hours is kinda serving me the feeling of getting behind the crowd in a 5k and having to sprint to catch up.

1. So did we really have to have a conversation about whether the protector should speak up this early in the game? Or ever? ????

2. I agree with vethed that LOTF is playing her usual style and while there's been alarm bells, they're normal. I'm not feeling the lynch.

3.
Maybe I'm getting too meta on this, but a lot of you guys are friends on Facebook. With the deadlines changed, maybe the wolves knew the protector wasn't going to be around and that's why they went for WTF. I know Kcough has done this before (and if she was playing that's who I would totally be lynching right now) so I wouldn't be surprised if other people have done this.

I was always under the notion that playing outside of the game thread like this was an unspoken nono. It came up in the child's play noob game but it was much more complicated of a move than just checking fb.

I'm feeling a ***lynch teep*** myself
 
I guess I must have made the minimum because I didn't get a warning last night. Does it specifically tell you you'll be subbed out after missing the next day? Or just any other time when you don't meet the minimum?
Short lynch we were all immune.

Strongman makes most sense. Seer is the role to use it for
 
Official lynch tally:
teep 5
(dvmd, meathead, SOV, am, rocky)
lotf 3 (LIS, AB, bbc)
kaydubs 1 (lotf)
AM 1 (rojo)

10/24 votes
5/24 minimums met

MOD NOTE: SoV will be taking over for RM
 
I guess I must have made the minimum because I didn't get a warning last night. Does it specifically tell you you'll be subbed out after missing the next day? Or just any other time when you don't meet the minimum?

I'd say that not receiving a warning doesn't automatically mean you did make the minimum.


I get it. But 10 is really not that much. I *want* a little pressure on people. FWIW, if someone doesn't meet the 10 post minimum it's not automatic ejection from the game. You just lose some opportunities. If you're still trying to participate, I'm not going to kick you out.

Based on this, there's a bit of a mercy effort component.
 
Everyone ignoring my feels? It's ok, I'll just be quiet over here
Looking back through the thread, I'm actually wondering why AM hasn't been subbed out yet, as I count ~10 posts from them from sign-ups through to today. I can see why you're having feels, currently though my feels for teep are stronger. I did notice AM doing some subtle chumming of the waters by suggesting that the STL lynch was wolf-led, but that may have been their thinking based on STL's role claim at the time.
 
Looking back through the thread, I'm actually wondering why AM hasn't been subbed out yet, as I count ~10 posts from them from sign-ups through to today. I can see why you're having feels, currently though my feels for teep are stronger. I did notice AM doing some subtle chumming of the waters by suggesting that the STL lynch was wolf-led, but that may have been their thinking based on STL's role claim at the time.
I should clarify that I can understand you having feels based on the content of AM's post and not the frequency. I was commenting on the frequency only because I saw RM was getting subbed out and I feel like I've seen him talking more than some others, but he also may have wanted to be subbed out anyway. It's a moot point.
 
Everyone ignoring my feels? It's ok, I'll just be quiet over here
Not ignoring, trying to understand and building a new chicken coop door at the same time. Once I understand your feels, then I can decide if they are more valid or urgent then my feels. Only than can our feels become one. 😀
 
I should clarify that I can understand you having feels based on the content of AM's post and not the frequency. I was commenting on the frequency only because I saw RM was getting subbed out and I feel like I've seen him talking more than some others, but he also may have wanted to be subbed out anyway. It's a moot point.
to clarify, he asked to be subbed. I may force sub someone soon, but i havent done it yet
 
Everyone ignoring my feels? It's ok, I'll just be quiet over here
I can see feels because AM has been quiet... not sure the reasoning behind their quietness, but it is a little suspicious. I guess it's more suspicious to me because when they are online, there's not a whole lot of effort into those comments. I know lots of people are busy, but I feel like when people do get the chance to get online, you could throw up some substantial comments (like several other people have done).
 
I can see feels because AM has been quiet... not sure the reasoning behind their quietness, but it is a little suspicious. I guess it's more suspicious to me because when they are online, there's not a whole lot of effort into those comments. I know lots of people are busy, but I feel like when people do get the chance to get online, you could throw up some substantial comments (like several other people have done).
I guess I'm less suspicious because she's been quiet. I feel like a wolf has more to lose by not making the post minimum as opposed to a vanillager.
 
AM is someone I thought would struggle with this game because she usually just posts a lynch vote and that's it. I'm not sure if she's struggling or red flagging with her posts.
 
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