I'm cool with 3m, her(?) response was just blah. No defense really. I am also on board with a LIS lynch. What do people think?
So, I looked at LIS's votes this morning (just the final tallies, so admittedly may have missed something in the comments). I'm also on my phone, so it's hard to summarize them, but his vote for Zen on D3 stood out to me as being pretty villagery because it was so early in the list. I just don't know that a wolf would have jumped on the Zen train so quickly when Jil was still on the table, particularly if they had been trying to bus Jil. After that, though, his votes kind of get buried by sitting on targets where he's leading the vote, but isn't getting much momentum on the back side (Finn, Cyndia).
I'd like to go back & re-read his posts with a "find wolf" lens vs "confirm village" lens before moving him out of my villagery category.
Other marks against him in my book, though:
- I think it was WZ who said that during the last basics game, she had the remaining wolves as solid village. Not that I'm discrediting all of her reads because of that, but it made me go "hmm" about LIS in particular because I could see him being tricky enough to fool a lot of people, including WZ for a while. When trilt also brought that possibility up earlier in the game (I think she said something like "LIS is a skilled player, we shouldn't forget him"), I did like the rebuttal he gave, though, so points in his favor for that.
- The wolf kills have at times felt like they are coming from an experienced wolf. Certain experienced and arguably dangerous players like STL and DVMD were eliminated relatively early. Kills overall were well-timed enough to throw shade towards Abs (and towards WZ, actually, in my mind at least). They picked up on VERY subtle cues that exposed Lyra and Trilt as role-holders, and eliminated them immediately afterwards. Taking out Ski before WZ felt somehow similar in my mind to taking out SARS (or Dr. S) earlier than Trilt. Remaining players have all been tagged as suspicious by at least a few known villagers.
To me, all of that stacks up as pointing to having someone who knows what they're doing still in the driver's seat. It's actually why I was still vaguely suspicious of WZ even up through yesterday, despite all the Trilt stuff and the content-laden posts.
- He also made one or two comments that felt vaguely like role-fishing for my own role, which is why they stood out to me. One of them in particular straight up suggested I should take out one of 2 players (I think it was Nessie or AM, IIRC). Could have been a legit village-village call out to eliminate suspicious players, but could have also been an attempt to get me to pull the trigger on a target of wolf choosing. In that case, including AM in the choices would be a ballsy af move, but not one I could see as out of the realm of an experienced player, especially knowing AM was probably going down & I think was planning to take her shot that night. It would also be a possible role-exposure for me because I'm not sure wolves would know I had already tried to shoot Jil. I believe LIS liked a post where CDO had hypothesized that there was a 2-shot night vig partner to her day vig, so it makes me wonder if he had a hunch my role was still floating around.
...And on that note, yeah. Gonna go back & re-read. But tagging
@LetItSnow in case he'd like to say anything for himself in the meantime.
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