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Once again, I am tagging @Zensing on this thread and I am tagging @Zensing to read my post above (post #1147).

I am NOT a wolf; and I am NOT some type of a non-villager.

So, if Zensing is claiming that I am a wolf or some other type of a non-villager person, Zensing is wrong.

I am a villager.

Plain and simple.
 
Doctor-S said:
Once again, I am tagging @Zensing on this thread and I am tagging @Zensing to read my post above (post #1147).

I am NOT a wolf; and I am NOT some type of a non-villager.

So, if Zensing is claiming that I am a wolf or some other type of a non-villager person, Zensing is wrong.

I am a villager.

Plain and simple.
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You really don't need to tag them twice in the same post, or tag them a bunch of posts in a row you know 😛
 
Does nothing to make me want to change my vote. If you're a sketchy village blocker, sorry, but that role is wolfy more often than not and combined with your weird statements I still want to know the answer.

If she does flip scum, I think we should think about whether her presented events make sense. If wolves did think STL was a seer, killing him ASAP makes sense... but holding off and blocking him makes sense too, and would explain the single kill n1.

(Can we tell from my various "if sketch, then..." that I'm frustrated by the thread immediately being locked at night? Lol).
 
PippyPony said:
Fyi, I was implying she is not village-aligned (i.e. she is maybe the wolf[\B] blocker), not that she spelled village/villager wrong.

I mean, spelling it weirdly could also mean wolfy. But I was more going "huh?" at the voting choices, not the spelling.

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And by "voting choices," I mean "blocking choices". *Facepalm*

This is why I try not to get after people too much for spelling/formatting mistakes. Those in glass houses, yada yada

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Doctor-S said:
Once again, I am tagging @Zensing on this thread and I am tagging @Zensing to read my post above (post #1147).

I am NOT a wolf; and I am NOT some type of a non-villager.

So, if Zensing is claiming that I am a wolf or some other type of a non-villager person, Zensing is wrong.

I am a villager.

Plain and simple.
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Whoa. Lol


The blocker usually picks puerile they ar suspicious of if they don't have more info. IF there is no kill the ight they block someone that could very well mean they blocked the wolf kill and it sort of "confirms" they are a wolf.

This is not them really calling you a wolf per se. But that they were supposedly suspicious of you enough that day.

Now. Given that. You have to suss out the specific person's choices or if they are even telling the truth about being the blocker etc
 
I basically agree with what everyone else has been saying. The role reveal doesn't seem genuine to me, and those targets definitely seem odd. There's quite a few others I'd be blocking if I had that role before I blocked KC or Doc-S. Especially with conversations during the day involving in depth discussions of who we think are the wolves.

Also I find it weird that with an entire day of discussion left, Zen chose to role reveal that early. I mean yes, she said she's tried to defend herself to no avail but I'd be defending a lot more if I were a role-villager. Throw out other people who might be wolves, lay out all the theories etc etc so at least if you got lynched, it gives things for other people to think about later. But outing herself so early she's either lynched tonight by the village or if she's telling the truth and isn't a wolf, the wolves will kill her overnight for being a power role anyway.

Not sure if that makes any sense because I am very tired, but I just don't buy that role reveal at the time it was revealed.

That in combination with the other arguments I listed last night, I will actually place my lynch vote.

Lynch Zensing
 
For me it feel like I am voting Jil or Zen today, then the other tomorrow. Not sure if it matters the order honestly. I wouldn't mind pushing Zen closer toward plurality, but I'll give everybody a chance to see the role reveal. So for now

******Lynch Jilary *******
 
I want to believe Zensing, but that typo... if he was a wolf it wouldn't say villager blocker right? It would say wolf blocker or something? What was it last game?
 
Coopah said:
I want to believe Zensing, but that typo... if he was a wolf it wouldn't say villager blocker right? It would say wolf blocker or something? What was it last game?
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I mean. Not necessarily? The wording didn't make me squinty eyed. I actually had to figure out what you meant by typo lol
 
Agree with everyone who's already posted. Even if I was suspicious of kc and DrS, it's not like they were some of the sketchier people who I would go for first based on discussions those days. Actually they were coming up village for most people. Since kc was being quieter and DrS was pretty strong village, it is more likely she thinks they have a power role and the blocked them.
 
I'm also willing to change my vote if people are fine with plurality.
 
Coopah said:
I want to believe Zensing, but that typo... if he was a wolf it wouldn't say villager blocker right? It would say wolf blocker or something? What was it last game?
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Meh. I wouldn't stress about the terminology. If it seems like a realistic role claim and the way she used it seems appropriately village, vote jil. I just think it would give us a nice amount of info if Zen does flip wolf and she has been uber uber sketchy in her defense.

If Zen flips wolf, I'm 100% certain on my Jil vote next cycle. If Jil flips wolf, I feel a smidge more confident in my Zen vote but nothing as outright.
 
I have an important QUESTION to ask:

I went back and looked at the beginning days of this WW Basic thread on my pc display.

Did anyone see any posts entered on this thread between Post #490 (see below) and Post #491 (see below)?

Lupin21 said:
Day 1 has resulted in the mob lynching cdo for being suspect.

cdo was

Day Vigilante 2-shot
dyachei said:
Night 1 has resulted in LyraGardenia being demolished.

Lyra was
The town jailkeeper

25 players remain
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It is now night. Deadline is 9AM EST.
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The reason I am asking this question:

I did not see any posts entered on my WW Basic thread pc display at any time between Saturday at 6:37 PM through Sunday at 6:39 AM.

Did any of you see any posts on this thread on your own display screens between 6:37 PM (Saturday) through 6:39 AM (Sunday)?
 
Doctor-S said:
I have an important QUESTION to ask:

I went back and looked at the beginning days of this WW Basic thread on my pc display.

Did anyone see any posts entered on this thread between Post #490 (see below) and Post #491 (see below)?



The reason I am asking this question:

I did not see any posts entered on my WW Basic thread pc display at any time between Saturday at 6:37 PM through Sunday at 6:39 AM.

Did any of you see any posts on this thread on your own display screens between 6:37 PM (Saturday) through 6:39 AM (Sunday)?
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The thread is locked and unable to be posted on from lynch close to night close every cycle?
 
Doctor-S said:
I have an important QUESTION to ask:

I went back and looked at the beginning days of this WW Basic thread on my pc display.

Did anyone see any posts entered on this thread between Post #490 (see below) and Post #491 (see below)?



The reason I am asking this question:

I did not see any posts entered on my WW Basic thread pc display at any time between Saturday at 6:37 PM through Sunday at 6:39 AM.

Did any of you see any posts on this thread on your own display screens between 6:37 PM (Saturday) through 6:39 AM (Sunday)?
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I... Am confused? Thread is locked so no?
 
Unofficial lynch tally d3:
abnerrs 1 - DVMD
finn -
Zen 7 - trilt, Coopah, Pippy, LIS, Dr. S, nessy, WZ, SAR
Jil 4 - snowshoe, AM, Abnerrs, kc, serher, confusing

15/22

Here you go Trilty
 
Trilt said:
The thread is locked and unable to be posted on from lynch close to night close every cycle?
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Trilt, wait ... are you asking me a question (or did you inadvertently insert a "question mark symbol" at the end of your post)?

Just to repeat:

On my own pc display screen, I did not see any posts entered on my WW Basic thread at any time between Saturday at 6:37 PM through Sunday at 6:39 AM.
 
Well I'm cool lynching Jilary if people are having doubts, I know I am. I'll leave it where it's at right now. @Zensing you did mean village
Trilt said:
Meh. I wouldn't stress about the terminology. If it seems like a realistic role claim and the way she used it seems appropriately village, vote jil. I just think it would give us a nice amount of info if Zen does flip wolf and she has been uber uber sketchy in her defense.

If Zen flips wolf, I'm 100% certain on my Jil vote next cycle. If Jil flips wolf, I feel a smidge more confident in my Zen vote but nothing as outright.
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I don't like who she used it on. N1 fine, no one really knows anything. N2 on DocS, really? Why Zen? I'd like a little more info on that one.
 
Doctor-S said:
Trilt, wait ... are you asking me a question (or did you inadvertently insert a "question mark symbol" at the end of your post)?

Just to repeat:

On my own pc display screen, I did not see any posts entered on my WW Basic thread at any time between Saturday at 6:37 PM through Sunday at 6:39 AM.
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Yes because every night the thread is locked. We cannot post during that time frame.
 
HowConfusing said:
Zen's statement almost seems desperate to be sketchy with all its sketchiness. That makes me want to

Lynch jilary

But I might waffle depending on what comes out throughout the day.
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Them sounds like some wolfy-flavored waffles

wolfie_waffle_w640.jpeg


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Coopah said:
Well I'm cool lynching Jilary if people are having doubts, I know I am. I'll leave it where it's at right now. @Zensing you did mean village


I don't like who she used it on. N1 fine, no one really knows anything. N2 on DocS, really? Why Zen? I'd like a little more info on that one.
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Shoot, I had deleted that first part already, stupid computer. Sorry Zensing for the unnecessary tag.
 
mmmdreamerz said:
Okay, I didn't a quick run through to try to get caught up from yesterday...



This comment from Zen came off really strange to me. STL came off sketchy early on and many seemed to agree with this. Why would you A) trust him and B) trust him enough that you trust the lynch he didn't give much reasoning for.



Sorry Abnerrs but this came off a little too defensive to me (which may make sense, but idk it read strange). Not my top wolf candidate but definitely a possibility in my mind.



This totally confused me. It just seems a little too complicated of a theory. I mean, I guess I could see STL having an in-depth strategy to find a wolf, but this came off a bit as Jil grasping for straws about why STL wanted to lynch her. Then again we know STL was neutral, so maybe it really was just a random lynch meant to get people guessing and draw speculation away from himself.
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serher said:
Sorry I didn't make it back last evening. This day cycle is really the first time I have had suspicions for Zen, so I think I would rather vote for Jilary right now. I also just saw Zen's post this morning so I will take a closer look at her posts today before doing anything.

I feel like the Jilary vote will just loom over our heads until we finally do it. This post seemed like she was trying quite hard to come up with an alternative theory for STL's actions, so it rubbed me the wrong way. I find it hard to believe that STL would be so aligned one way that early in the game as to want to out power villagers. I want to see a tally before a place my vote, but I'm pretty sure Jilary is where it is going today. Will check in between classes later.
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Please try to see things from my perspective. I know my theory is crazy and I may be wrong, but I know that I'm not a wolf. I firmly believe STL made the whole "tell" thing up because none of what he quoted is out of the ordinary for me in any game. He was definitely up to something nefarious and given his alignment it makes sense to me that he would do something crazy. I'm not sure why he picked me, I wish I did, I also wish I knew what his plan was (I almost said I wish I knew what he was thinking, but no, that's one head I don't desire to see inside of 😛). I don't really know what else to say about that. I get kind of crazy when I'm a constant lynch target as a villager.

Also, I agree zen is being super weird between the odd defense for being quiet and now the role claim. I know what she means by villager blocker, but I'm not sure I believe the claim. Certainly there were other people she could have chosen to block that were better options, especially since most people had DrS in the likely villager category. I will likely vote that way, but I think we are close to plurality and I'd rather we had the rest of the day to discuss as I feel discussion helps villagers.

P.S. My class schedule is pretty intense right now so I'm typically not on until the evening, but I think I've been participating a lot during those times though. The only reason I'm on now is because our professor didn't show up. :bored:
 
Coopah said:
Why Zen?
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I didn't like her posting style, and feels were all I had on anyone except on Jilary (whom I assumed wouldn't be acting with that much attention on her). It's taking aspects of the game and drawing really weird conclusions - see above where she decided I was calling her out as a wolf when I blocked her n2 :shrug:. The previous one was where she thought that whomever Lyra jailed must be a villager, which happened during day 2.

As I said before, I thought she might be a wolf as of n2. That changed over the course of this day cycle, where I decided that that's probably just her posting style.

Yes, in hindsight, I've played badly. My only real defense is that, by lynching me, you lose your blocker.

I need to go do physical exams and get ready for surgery. I can't access SDN again until at least 6pm ET, so do with me what you will.
 
PippyPony said:
Nessie, you keep liking my posts, and it's going to make me sad if you're a wolf again because all this flattery will have been a lie

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I had a rule when I first started playing that I'd lynch anyone who outright complimented me... it was actually fairly good at catching wolves. However it was very, very dickish to the poor villagers it entrapped, lol.
 
I feel like that's adequate, enough for me to

Unlynch Zen, lynch Jilary

I don't have anything concrete on Zen, just a couple of people and feels for weird posting. Jilary I feel has been rambling a bit, which while is not quite wolfy, because I have done that as well, is rather defensive. Zen is still suspicious to me, so I don't mind if others still want that lynch. I just feel stronger about the Jilary lynch right now.
 
Zensing said:
I didn't like her posting style, and feels were all I had on anyone except on Jilary (whom I assumed wouldn't be acting with that much attention on her). It's taking aspects of the game and drawing really weird conclusions - see above where she decided I was calling her out as a wolf when I blocked her n2 :shrug:. The previous one was where she thought that whomever Lyra jailed must be a villager, which happened during day 2.

As I said before, I thought she might be a wolf as of n2. That changed over the course of this day cycle, where I decided that that's probably just her posting style.

Yes, in hindsight, I've played badly. My only real defense is that, by lynching me, you lose your blocker.

I need to go do physical exams and get ready for surgery. I can't access SDN again until at least 6pm ET, so do with me what you will.
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I don't buy blocking Doc-S because her posting style felt weird. If you look at the Noob Circus game, that's just literally how she always posts. Yes, it confused many of us, and we did eventually lynch her for it. And she was a villager.

I think Doc-S just has a very different way of seeing/thinking about the game haha
 
Trilt said:
I had a rule when I first started playing that I'd lynch anyone who outright complimented me... it was actually fairly good at catching wolves. However it was very, very dickish to the poor villagers it entrapped, lol.
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I'm just a post-liker 😉 It's like agreement, but doesn't clutter up the thread with "I agree with this" :laugh:
 
Zensing said:
I didn't like her posting style, and feels were all I had on anyone except on Jilary (whom I assumed wouldn't be acting with that much attention on her). It's taking aspects of the game and drawing really weird conclusions - see above where she decided I was calling her out as a wolf when I blocked her n2 :shrug:. The previous one was where she thought that whomever Lyra jailed must be a villager, which happened during day 2.

As I said before, I thought she might be a wolf as of n2. That changed over the course of this day cycle, where I decided that that's probably just her posting style.

Yes, in hindsight, I've played badly. My only real defense is that, by lynching me, you lose your blocker.

I need to go do physical exams and get ready for surgery. I can't access SDN again until at least 6pm ET, so do with me what you will.
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Yeah I think this is bull. You were a mentor in the last noob game and followed along with everyone being weirded out by Dr-S' posting style.
 
I didn't really think about Zen being a mentor in that game and almost thought maybe she just wasn't used to Dr. S's posting style. Good to know @Trilt
 
Jilary said:
Please try to see things from my perspective. I know my theory is crazy and I may be wrong, but I know that I'm not a wolf. I firmly believe STL made the whole "tell" thing up because none of what he quoted is out of the ordinary for me in any game. He was definitely up to something nefarious and given his alignment it makes sense to me that he would do something crazy. I'm not sure why he picked me, I wish I did, I also wish I knew what his plan was (I almost said I wish I knew what he was thinking, but no, that's one head I don't desire to see inside of 😛). I don't really know what else to say about that. I get kind of crazy when I'm a constant lynch target as a villager.

Also, I agree zen is being super weird between the odd defense for being quiet and now the role claim. I know what she means by villager blocker, but I'm not sure I believe the claim. Certainly there were other people she could have chosen to block that were better options, especially since most people had DrS in the likely villager category. I will likely vote that way, but I think we are close to plurality and I'd rather we had the rest of the day to discuss as I feel discussion helps villagers.

P.S. My class schedule is pretty intense right now so I'm typically not on until the evening, but I think I've been participating a lot during those times though. The only reason I'm on now is because our professor didn't show up. :bored:
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As a neutral, I can probably believe that STL just randomly picked someone...
 
I like 90% believe that STL actually thought he found a tell and was jumping on it. It's absolutely something he would do, and he did admonish the other wolves. (including Jil) for early enthusiasm in the Pokemon game so it's not just a made up thing recently.
 
Trilt said:
I like 90% believe that STL actually thought he found a tell and was jumping on it. It's absolutely something he would do, and he did admonish the other wolves. (including Jil) for early enthusiasm in the Pokemon game so it's not just a made up thing recently.
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Does a neutral want to find wolves?
 
Zensing said:
I didn't like her posting style, and feels were all I had on anyone except on Jilary (whom I assumed wouldn't be acting with that much attention on her). It's taking aspects of the game and drawing really weird conclusions - see above where she decided I was calling her out as a wolf when I blocked her n2 :shrug:. The previous one was where she thought that whomever Lyra jailed must be a villager, which happened during day 2.

As I said before, I thought she might be a wolf as of n2. That changed over the course of this day cycle, where I decided that that's probably just her posting style.

Yes, in hindsight, I've played badly. My only real defense is that, by lynching me, you lose your blocker.

I need to go do physical exams and get ready for surgery. I can't access SDN again until at least 6pm ET, so do with me what you will.
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Zensing, I believe you are mistaken. My posts have been straightforward and I do not understand the reason why you would say I have been drawing weird conclusions in this game.

By the way:

If you are referring to me (i.e., Doctor-S) in your post above (and not to kcoughli), I think you need to read ALL of my posts since last Friday.

I did not say I thought "whomever Lyra jailed must be a villager."

Since last Friday, here is the only thing I have posted on this thread in which I made a reference to "Lyra":

Doctor-S said:
I just read the role of a "jailkeeper" in a WW game (using this link).

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper

Before Lyra was demolished, is she allowed to do any type of blocking action for our village?
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Glad to see I'm not the only one who is not appeased at all by Zen's reveal. I'm not usually one to push for lynching blockers because I do think they can be useful late game, but in this case I think the odds are greater she's wolf than that she's village. And I find her justification for the Doc S choice very suspect, for the reasons trilt already talked about. People had been listing their suspects all day, would have made more sense to pick someone who people were feeling was sketch than someone who, at least every time I saw she was mentioned, was leaning village, and has essentially been posting the same way she posted in the noob game, minus the owl stuff.

I should probably break this post up but...nah

Trilt said:
If she does flip scum, I think we should think about whether her presented events make sense. If wolves did think STL was a seer, killing him ASAP makes sense... but holding off and blocking him makes sense too, and would explain the single kill n1.
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I'll have to go back and reread what she said (I admittedly have been skimming some of the longer posts) but there could potentially be some WIFOM there, no?

Trilt said:
If Zen flips wolf, I'm 100% certain on my Jil vote next cycle. If Jil flips wolf, I feel a smidge more confident in my Zen vote but nothing as outright.
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Could you expand on the link between Zen and Jil a bit more, like why you're 100% on Jil if Zen is scum?

HowConfusing said:
Zen's statement almost seems desperate to be sketchy with all its sketchiness.
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What

Coopah said:
Jilary I feel has been rambling a bit, which while is not quite wolfy, because I have done that as well, is rather defensive.
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Kind of funny you calling someone out for being defensive, just saying.

mmmdreamerz said:
Does a neutral want to find wolves?
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Depends on the neutral. I think I mentioned earlier, third party players tend to play for the village for much of the game. Expanding on that, it happens because 1) you don't have info on who the wolves are, so how are you supposed to help them out? 2) if you are naturally a game solver, it's kind of default to try to do that no matter what your role is if you're not a wolf 3) it keeps you from getting lynched.

As far as what STL was doing, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he really thought he was onto something. Whether or not he was right is the issue.

Jilary said:
that's one head I don't desire to see inside of 😛
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For a little bit when we had modded a few games together back to back I got good at reading his mind. It's an interesting place.
 
mmmdreamerz said:
Does a neutral want to find wolves?
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Ostensibly a neutral just wants to survive. So they don't want to be too cleared (thus, a wolf target) or too sketchy (thus lynched). Usually they just lay kinda low. However, STL has a flair for hyperbole and exuberance so you have to adjust slightly for that. 😛

I would have still been mildly suspicious of him (if still alive) even if Jil flipped wolf (I think I even said such) just because bussing a fellow wolf is totally something he'd do. So "clearing" himself that way wouldn't even necessarily damn him. He's always baseline sketchy.

But then he died. Which was weird considering the suspicions he was under, and why I reeaaallly want to know (via Zen lynch) if it was because the wolves thought he as a seer.
 
WildZoo said:
I'll have to go back and reread what she said (I admittedly have been skimming some of the longer posts) but there could potentially be some WIFOM there, no?


Could you expand on the link between Zen and Jil a bit more, like why you're 100% on Jil if Zen is scum?
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Re:WIFOM - yah, always I suppose, but I try not to stress about it.

Re: Zen - this post. If Zen flips wolf, read that as someone who knows Jil is a wolf and working off that knowledge. Maaaaaybe not 100%, but like 95%+?
 
WildZoo said:
Glad to see I'm not the only one who is not appeased at all by Zen's reveal. I'm not usually one to push for lynching blockers because I do think they can be useful late game, but in this case I think the odds are greater she's wolf than that she's village. And I find her justification for the Doc S choice very suspect, for the reasons trilt already talked about. People had been listing their suspects all day, would have made more sense to pick someone who people were feeling was sketch than someone who, at least every time I saw she was mentioned, was leaning village, and has essentially been posting the same way she posted in the noob game, minus the owl stuff.

I should probably break this post up but...nah


I'll have to go back and reread what she said (I admittedly have been skimming some of the longer posts) but there could potentially be some WIFOM there, no?


Could you expand on the link between Zen and Jil a bit more, like why you're 100% on Jil if Zen is scum?


What


Kind of funny you calling someone out for being defensive, just saying.


Depends on the neutral. I think I mentioned earlier, third party players tend to play for the village for much of the game. Expanding on that, it happens because 1) you don't have info on who the wolves are, so how are you supposed to help them out? 2) if you are naturally a game solver, it's kind of default to try to do that no matter what your role is if you're not a wolf 3) it keeps you from getting lynched.

As far as what STL was doing, I don't think it's unreasonable to think that he really thought he was onto something. Whether or not he was right is the issue.


For a little bit when we had modded a few games together back to back I got good at reading his mind. It's an interesting place.
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Trilt said:
Ostensibly a neutral just wants to survive. So they don't want to be too cleared (thus, a wolf target) or too sketchy (thus lynched). Usually they just lay kinda low. However, STL has a flair for hyperbole and exuberance so you have to adjust slightly for that. 😛

I would have still been mildly suspicious of him (if still alive) even if Jil flipped wolf (I think I even said such) just because bussing a fellow wolf is totally something he'd do. So "clearing" himself that way wouldn't even necessarily damn him. He's always baseline sketchy.

But then he died. Which was weird considering the suspicions he was under, and why I reeaaallly want to know (via Zen lynch) if it was because the wolves thought he as a seer.
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Both very helpful!
 
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