Bench exam ! part 01

[yasi]

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After long waiting bench extension has been approved
just want to know how many of you took or will take any course praparaton and if yes which course ucla duggan...
or just practicing yourself
any recommendation....????

 

[sonia vashist]

more info from meeting on 6-15-06
now regd the additional exam that was planned for this year in uop, well that one is going to be in nov 2006 in uop,the weekend after the nov 2-3-4 exams.. so the very next weekend will be the exam in uop.
the first timers have first priority. but at this point of time everyone has got their first chance,the only first timers who havn't got a chnace are the one's who withdrew their applications so if they now apply they will get a chance for sure. then 4th timers will be next priority and the 3rd timers and then second timers.. and among the 2nd timers you will be given prority based on when you gave your part 2. so in case of 3 people a,b,c if a is a third timer gets 1st priority,and b and c are 2nd timers then depends who gave part 2 sooner...
we also requested that they tell us way in advance ..and that they said they will .. but for the nov exams they won't be able to tell us before sept 15th since deadline for applications is sept 5th. from next year the dates of the exam and the people getting in will have a better picture.. this is what the dbc people said.. now just hope they stick to it...
also for the april exam their 42 no shows.. and those seats were a waste... so hence forth they will also come up with a waiting list and inform you that you are on the waiting list..so u may or may not get in..so apart from the 250 people who get in thet might have a wait list of 30 people...
also so far only they have received 100 reapplications.. so i am requesting all of you dont wait till last minute send your applications...and dont send money order's now.. send them when you are scheduled for a exam...

 

[sonia vashist]

well there is another meeting in august and they will be discussing the rt exam more... and the board members do listen to the students so make sure you'll go if you live closeby. now how much of what they said they stick to,i dont know.. but i hope they do.. also whatever i have written regd the meeting.. is what i understood from the whole thing today.. i may have misunderstood somethings so don't hold me responsible... just a disclaimer 😉
but the things i know for sure are that no comp teeth.the format i mentioned,and additional exam in nov. also they are planning to remove from the syllabus 7/8 crowns.. coz ther are so rarely done.. but whatever they spoke today they will put it i words and have it on paper by the august meeting.. so they said today was a workshop to work on things for future so in august things will be more clear...
i hope all i wrote helps....

 

[britedent]

have a question...
what are the things that u have to send when u apply for part4 after passing RT exam
1.application that is sent to you with the RT result
2.fees...do u have to send it now with the application or later...the applicaion shows 450+75 but the website shows 450+100..which one is right
3.buy an insurance of liability online...
anything else
this is for this sept exam in USC...anybody who has already applied pls help...

 

[usdentist]

Hey Sonia,

Thanks for all the information. Do u've any idea when dbc is going
to put all the informations on the web site?

 

[plusdent]

Hello Sonia . thanks for the informations. I think this is very helpful for us, God bless all of you and good look for everyone

 

[usdentist]

Sonia, first of all thanks for going to the DBC meeting. Thanks for posting all the meeting details.


Also I want to thanks Dr. Stevenson from UCLA for going to the DBC meeting and showing that he cares for RT students. He has boosted very sacred student-professor relationship and faith.


I wish other study institutes who are making tons of money because of RT students will have courtesy to send their representative for future DBC meetings.


As Sonia mentioned, RT students leaving in LA and San Diego should plan on attending DBC meeting at San Diego in August. Only YOU can help yourself.

 

[devneel]

hi devneel and chuchuca....when r u guys planning to take the wreb....?

i am thinking about usc cali in dec.i am afrom MI.so i have no idea how to select patients.

 

[devneel]

Congraduation on all you.
Give me the impression columbia typodont got a higher passing rate? Am I right?
I am planing to take UCLA course. Dr. stevinson suggests us to use the kilgore. Anyone who practiced on both of them could give me any suggestion? which on is better? By the way, kilgore teeth are really expensive. Thanks.

Kilgore teeth are not that expensive.composite teeth are expensive.if the board wants to use composite teeth they only fit into kilgore teethset.
again like the apr exam if we have a choice then both the typodonts have their own adv&disadv.in Kilgore its easy to break the contact and not damage the adj tooth but the prox contact is so high that sometimes u practically dont get an axial wall/a very small one which to the examiners might look wierd.the contact is more occlusal and toward the buccal surface of the tooth which gives u an odd looking cavity prep.its looks like the whole thing shifted buccally.
with Columbia the contact is very wide and deep and there are chances to damage the adj tooth while breaking contact.but u'll not get an odd looking cavity.
eaminers have been grading columbia for so long.last exam was the first time they got a chace to grade Kilgore.that might have affeted the grading process.

 

[cutedentist]

please can any one tell me do i need to sent ORIGINAL certificates again?
OR just application form and what about 75 dollar fee?
Any one who have reapplied please tell which documents to send
Thanks

 

[sonia vashist]

Hey Sonia,

Thanks for all the information. Do u've any idea when dbc is going
to put all the informations on the web site?

they said that they will be coming out with a handbook for the rt exam,just like they have for the clinical... and the criteria will hopefully have numbers, but all this will take a bit so they think by august meeting they will have it ready and then read it out and see if there are any problems,and then they will put evrything on the net. so i don't think anything will be on the net before august. that's why its imp to go for august meeting,coz if any problem in the writing you can talk to them,and they are very good in agreeing to do what's best for the students.(atleast they sound like it)

 

[sonia vashist]

please can any one tell me do i need to sent ORIGINAL certificates again?
OR just application form and what about 75 dollar fee?
Any one who have reapplied please tell which documents to send
Thanks

i sent the re-examination application,which i had received with my scores. and along with that i sent the 2 yellow cards. and a letter stating that i am still interested in taking the rt exam.and i put my refernce no on every thing. i did not have to send any money orders(those of you who did send any money orders will get them back) and no original or photocopy of any other document is required. they have all the info,they just want to know if u are still intersted in taking the exam.. and by reapplying you show that you are.

 

[cutedentist]

i sent the re-examination application,which i had received with my scores. and along with that i sent the 2 yellow cards. and a letter stating that i am still interested in taking the rt exam.and i put my refernce no on every thing. i did not have to send any money orders(those of you who did send any money orders will get them back) and no original or photocopy of any other document is required. they have all the info,they just want to know if u are still intersted in taking the exam.. and by reapplying you show that you are.

Thanks for informationabout meeting as well as reapplication

 

[tengu3]

Well Sonia has pretty much summarized what happened at the meeting.

Not too many people were there. The old and new board members, a couple of student representatives, Dr. Stevenson (which did a very good job advocating for us), some staffs, and about 14 of us (and here on onward known to the DB as the RT fraternity!!). But boy did we made a difference! It was good that Dr. Stevenson was there coz' he is a teaching staff and he bridged the gap between the board and us.

I have never been to any previous meetings, but was told that the new board members were more open and receptive. The atmosphere was at times tense, especially when they felt they had to defend themselves. What is important is not to rehash what went wrong (as they will put up a vigorous fight that we can't possibly win), but how to move forward. For this reason I have also given up any thought of an appeal even though all my wife needs is 1 extra point out of 300. BTW was told 74.6 will be a passing grade.

I got the general feeling that some board members see the RT as a necessary evil they will like to get over with asap, a couple are more sympathetic. There is a board member who went through the RT exam himself. The majority try to make the RT more fair and humane. Robert Hedrick, a lawyer, is in charge of implementing the RT exam and he is pretty receptive. He made an effort to talk to Scott (dentalhusband) after the meeting coz' he sensed Scott was upset. The most comfort I got out of the meeting is that they are not out to fail as many as possible.

Hats off to the UOP? student representative (the one with a baby for those who were there). He has a way of communicating with the board that put them at ease. He also showed the board a lot more respect then the RT fraternity did, and in return he also achieved more. One day he will make a fine politician, if not a fine dentist. The relationship between the board and the RT fraternity was more contentious. And yours truly is probably the most guilty of all.

 

[tengu3]

I believe you still have to send in the $75 application fee. The examination fee, however, will be collected later after they schedule you for an exam.

 

[tengu3]

This is the one area we made the most difference in the meeting. They suggested the composite teeth because they thought it would be easier for us to pass (the passing rate is 70% using the composit teeth in some other exam). An unanimous show of hand by the RT fraternity against the composite teeth quickly sank that proposal. In April RT only 10 teeth were on the exam list as those are the only available on Kilgore composite. We requested the same in the future and was surprised, at least I was, that it was granted. They discussed briefly about reverting back to the old amalgam test format that there is a break during the test to grade the amalgam prep, or bringing in a pre-prep tooth for amalgam filling. In the end both proposals were junked.

The impression I got is that the dental board was so pleased with the April exam format that they are not going to change anything. Others correct me if I am wrong as I am not a dentist ... what does a engineer know about teeth?!

I can not underscore the importance of continue working with the Dental Board. If the meeting happens to be in your area please make the effort to be present. It will make a big difference.

 

[kas]

Thanks a lot to Sonia & Dr. Stevenson for attending the meeting and special thanks to Sonia for putting the effort to communicate all these details. This means a lot to people like me on the east coast. Thanks!

 

[tengu3]

In the April exam the assignments were picked by the DB chairman (whose name escapes me). He wanted to test the applicants for "minimal competency" and in all fairness the assignments were fairly easy. In some way I feel that he deemed those failed .... incompetent! He has no patient with the RT fraternity and does not take complain well. He reminded me of a typical authoritative person who should not be challenged, just nudged.

The passing/total rates of different sections are as follows:

............Cast....... Amalgam......Composite......Overall
USC......74/191......108/192......125/192........70/192 (36%)
UOP......94/213......134/213......149/213.......101/213 (47%)

The number of people failing 1 subject with the overall score

............74......73......72
USC ......18......10.......3
UOP ......12......14.......4

The weakest is cast. I guess a fair number that failed Amalgam or Composite failed multiple sections too. The UOP passing rate is extremely high, and I wish they do not tighten it in the future. Huge difference in passing rate between USC and UOP in which 31 more people passed the exam. I called it statistically significant but they don't. Since they have the gaffle they won 🙁 and I won't appeal.

 

[tengu3]

According to the DB the RT exam is to
- Test for minimum competency, not for excellency. So D will be a passing grade (yeah right).
- The exam is for the applicants to demonstrate an acceptable performance using the hand piece.
- And most surprising of all ... it is merely to protect the "live" patient in the licensure exam.

The bar is set pretty low theoretically. Basically the original intend is unless one is so incompetent that he/she may do some harm to the patient in the licensure exam he/she should pass. How the RT migrated to the current monstorous status is probably part political and part miscommunication. It is acknowledged by some (not all) on the DB that the RT is more difficult than the licensure exam. It is important for the RT fraternity to show up in future DB meetings to communicate our desires.

I do not see the RT exam to get easier, just more reasonable in the future.

 

[tengu3]

Rob Hedrick is trying to sign up UCLA as a future RT site. He promised to have as many exams as possible to accomodate 4 tries/candidate by 2008, though I doubt the DB can achieve that goal if the number of candidates overwhelms the resources. I see them getting no more than 750 to 1000 exams/year. It is therefore very important to keep the pressure on the DB to keep it's promise in future board and town hall meetings. With the WERB the dental board can also pull some resources away from the CA licensure to the RT exam.

There will also be a waiting list for future exams as there were too many no shows at the April RT, especially at USC. They also promise to work on an advance notifying scheme (kinda like a priority list), but it may be too late for the November exam.

For all RT exams , 50% of the space will be reserved for 1st timer as mandated by the law. Rest to all others with priority to those on the 4th trial. I called it rewarding the incompetent but the DB want them to get on with their lives. Priority for all others is based on Part 2 exam date.

I asked them to pre-announced the assignments to avoid the same unfairness in April RT and they said they will do better than that (surprised me again). What exactly do they mean I have no idea. The chairman kept saying that he just wanted to see us demonstrate a reasonable command of the handpiece so whichever teeth tested is not very important. It's another example that they won't admit to mistakes, but will make changes.

 

[tengu3]

Rob Hedrick is trying to sign up UCLA as a future RT site. He promised to have as many exams as possible to accomodate 4 tries/candidate by 2008, though I doubt the DB can achieve that goal if the number of candidates overwhelms the resources. I see them getting no more than 750 to 1000 exams/year. It is therefore very important to keep the pressure on the DB to keep it's promise in future board and town hall meetings. With the WERB the dental board can also pull some resources away from the CA licensure to the RT exam.

There will also be a waiting list for future exams as there were too many no shows at the April RT, especially at USC. They also promise to work on an advance notifying scheme (kinda like a priority list), but it may be too late for the November exam.

For all RT exams , 50% of the space will be reserved for 1st timer as mandated by the law. Rest to all others with priority to those on the 4th trial. I called it rewarding the incompetent but the DB want them to get on with their lives. Priority for all others is based on Part 2 exam date.

I asked them to pre-announced the assignments to avoid the same unfairness in April RT and they said they will do better than that (surprised me again). What exactly do they mean I have no idea. The chairman kept saying that he just wanted to see us demonstrate a reasonable command of the handpiece so whichever teeth tested is not very important. It's another example that they won't admit to mistakes, but will make changes.

The DB cannot issue an executive change to extend the RT exam beyond 2008. It has to be done through sacramento. But if we go that route we will easily lose two more years. One for the law to pass and another for DB to budget and plan AFTER the law is passed.

 

[sonia vashist]

Restorative Technique Examination Information Update
FILING INSTRUCTIONS
• The application filing deadline for the fall 2006 to 2008 RT examination is
September 5, 2006. Applications must be received at the Board no
later than 5:00 p.m. September 5, 2006. If you wish to take the
examination at any time prior to December 31, 2008, please submit an
application now. Applications are to be submitted by MAIL ONLY.
• You may begin submitting your RT applications to the Board.
Applications are not processed on a first come, first served basis. Applicants
will be scheduled according to the date they passed Part II of the National
Board.
• Applications will only be accepted for those applicants whose National
Board reference number appears on the Board web site.
• Do not submit any fees with your application. The Board will notify you in
writing when you are scheduled for the RT examination. The Board will also
post your National Board Score Reference Number on the Board website to
indicate that you are scheduled.
• If the Board previously returned your application, you may resubmit the
application to the Board. Please write your Reference Number from your
National Board Scores across the top of the application.
• The dates for the Restorative Technique (RT) and Clinical Licensure
Examinations and application deadlines will be available every December for
the following year.



this is from the dbc website... i dont see anything about 75$ ????

as far as showing respect to the board members.. i don't think the rt people were disrespectful.. we were ok.. someone has to let them know how we feel... that guy from uop has not waited 3-4 yrs to give exam..... he was concerned about one law and ethic exam...so if the board members thought we were disrespectful,they should forgive us for our frustration!!!

 

[tengu3]

I believe the current DB has good intentions and they have made many promises at the meeting, but we have to monitor their execution. We need to go to all future meetings to remind/nudge/put pressure on them to:

1) Increase the number of test dates/sites as promised if the need arises. The DB is a mammoth and there is at least a 6 month delay between preposition and execution. The RT exam is only 2.5 years from sunset.
2) Release a grading criteria.
3) Implement an advance notification scheme.
4) Improve the appeal process.

If we do get 4 attempts with the exam conducted in a fair manner, we will have nobody to blame but ourselves if we fail.

 

[tengu3]

this is from the dbc website... i dont see anything about 75$ ????

According to my wife it is in the package they sent her. It says $75 application fee + $250 examination fee. For safety we sent in two separate checks so they can cash them whenever they see fit. Dawn of DB did say we do not need to send in the examination fee but there was no mention of the application fee. You better check with her to make sure.

BTW what are the two yellow cards you mentioned. We found no such thing in our package.

i don't think the rt people were disrespectful

Not disrespectful, just contentious.

he was concerned about one law and ethic exam

Yeah .... it was frustrating when they talked about how to shorten the one month wait for the law and ethic exam when we have been waiting for years. The main reason for such difference in treatment? Nobody advocate for us!!

 

[sonia vashist]

yes we were quarrelsome,we were argumentative(i had to look up meaning of contentious) becuase we had a lot to argue about... but we did not offend anyone,and the board members did not look upset by our behaviour,becoz at the end of the meeting they were smiling and spoke to us preety well.. infact we even complemented them,william told them that it was nice to see such cooperation from them and we thanked them also for their consideration.
and we also got it across to them they should make the exam prcedure and the exam more fair...

i asked dawn specifically if we had to send any money..and she said the whole thing has to be paid later.
the yellow cards are 2 post cards,its similar to the previous application,where u have to fill in your address and send it i think they are confirmation cards.. i dont exactly know what they are called.

 

[usdentist]

tengu3, thanks for posting the meeting details. It's very informative.

My wife sent her application with NO fee. (It says $75 application fee + $250 examination fee on top of the application.) But we sent no money, just the re-application form.

 

[minli00]

Kilgore teeth are not that expensive.composite teeth are expensive.if the board wants to use composite teeth they only fit into kilgore teethset.
again like the apr exam if we have a choice then both the typodonts have their own adv&disadv.in Kilgore its easy to break the contact and not damage the adj tooth but the prox contact is so high that sometimes u practically dont get an axial wall/a very small one which to the examiners might look wierd.the contact is more occlusal and toward the buccal surface of the tooth which gives u an odd looking cavity prep.its looks like the whole thing shifted buccally.
with Columbia the contact is very wide and deep and there are chances to damage the adj tooth while breaking contact.but u'll not get an odd looking cavity.
eaminers have been grading columbia for so long.last exam was the first time they got a chace to grade Kilgore.that might have affeted the grading process.

Thanks you so much, I have not had the chance to practice on kilgores.

 

[minli00]

sonia,tengu3, thanks for attending the meeting and posting the detail to us.

I would show my respect to Dr. stevenson my respect in person when I take his course on Jun. 28.

 

[futurdentist]

i sent the re-examination application,which i had received with my scores. and along with that i sent the 2 yellow cards. and a letter stating that i am still interested in taking the rt exam.and i put my refernce no on every thing. i did not have to send any money orders(those of you who did send any money orders will get them back) and no original or photocopy of any other document is required. they have all the info,they just want to know if u are still intersted in taking the exam.. and by reapplying you show that you are.

Which yellow cards?

thanks!

 

[cutedentist]

Do we need to sent 2yellow card ?
There is one column # 6 (Preffered exam date & site).I Think it should be left blank.advice please.

 

[bansu]

😀 no yellow cards just re appli form please fill it and send itthey dod not need anything else right now trust me i ve 3 times experience

 

[usdentist]

In place of examination date and site, we check marked both the sites and mentioned "Any available dates".

We did not receive any Yellow cards in the packet. We sent the re-examination application. We did not send any money with the application form.

Hope it helps.

 

[Chuchuca]

I have material to sell, including kilgore in the box.
By the way, I took classes at UCLA and also sent my typo equilibration and work for Dr. Stevenson to check. It was my salvation.I do recomend his class.
Good luck to you all

 

[PGDDS]

hi

sach
Thank you for all the information.
i had one question will they teach only endo classes or there is any DVDs to watch at home and learn. Any study material for other subjects.
if you have anything use full materials for the wreb you have for sale let me know.

 

[Chuchuca]

hi devneel and chuchuca....when r u guys planning to take the wreb....?

I am planning to take the wreb and suggestion?

 

[satch]

HEY.. when i said the price ranges from $ 4500 to$7500. I meant there r services for $4500 which provide patients only in CA. tHE $ 7500 service they take care were ever u take the exam all over USA. hOPE i am clear now 🙂
Good luck

 

[satch]

hey u do not need either columbia or kilgore typodont.
ya but for endo there is a different typodont which u have to buy from
acadental.com. depending on which center u r taking they will tell u the model number.class 2 amalgam
class 2 composite
the indirect thing? i dont quite understand
u have to do any 2 procedures. no one does indirect procedure.
its 2 classII
for endo we have to use natural teeth. as i mention above .
hope i answered ur questions.
good luck to u
if u have any questions do ask me 🙂
bye bye good night 😴

hi there! hope u have the time to answer my questions. ireally need ur help. you took ucla class for the wreb right? i just want to ask what are the procedures that u need to do. i enrolled in restorative technique course of ucla and while i was there , there were people who were taking the wreb course too , i saw them holding a kilgore typodont? is it part of the exam . what are the procedures to take this exam>

is it?

?

i have to choose 2 procedures bet the three.pls explain it to me... please....

and for the endo is it gonna be a natural teeth? or typodont that will be mounted on a block.

and for the perio are we going to do probing and can we use ultrasonic scaler before the hand instrument?

thanks in advance for ur time... god bless u always?

and also are u a foreign grad practicing in california? if yes did they already give the license to you(the dental board of ca)?

thanks

 

[reallylostnow]

hi everyone,
i know this probably does not apply to this thread but i am a new member and i cannot post a new thread yet. i am wondering if there are any HKU dental students that can give me advice on what to expect during the interviews. i just recently got an interview and its going to happen in two weeks. any suggestions will help.
thanks

 

[devneel]

I am planning to take the wreb and suggestion?

I am thinging of taking WREB exam.people who passed RT exam have a seperate application which doesnt mention anything about the exam loctions and dates.i tried calling the exam section of DBC but noone is answering the phone nd the message box is full so i cant even leave a message to them.if anyone have any idea about it can u please pass on that info to me
thanx,
devneel.

 

[satch]

website is www.patientfindingservices.com which provide only in CA
OTHER SERVICE IS CALLED LUU LA THE NUMBER IS 213 481-1102
there is another in FL but they provide only if u take in FL.
I know only these. 🙂
thank you





OTE=PGDDS]hi





sach
Thank you for all the information.
i had one question will they teach only endo classes or there is any DVDs to watch at home and learn. Any study material for other subjects.
if you have anything use full materials for the wreb you have for sale let me know.[/QUOTE]

 

[mirka]

does anybody know any names for those patient-finding agencies?
please let me know
thanks

 

[mirka]

satch,
are those agencies just for wreb ,or for ca clinical exam, too...... or for any exams?
thanks

 

[mirka]

the answer came befor the question🙂
thanks again!!!

 

[satch]

thats for both but different cost
good luck to all

the answer came befor the question🙂
thanks again!!!

 

[mirka]

do we need x-ray licence before the exam? 🙄

 

[canary]

mirka,
x-ray license isn't needed. I took it in March, and your success is based on patient selection, patient selection and patient selection. Regarding previous postings of patient agencies - they are out there only for their own benefit not yours. Rely on yourself to find the appropriate pts...family, friends, friends of friends are best. Also ask your grocery cashier, bank teller, taxi driver, waiter, next door neighbour...simply people that you encounter daily. You'll be surprised how many are willing and what you may find in their mouths. Screen as many as you can, take a few bwx's, examine them, see how they react...This process also helps you to build confidence in what you are doing and looking for. Many candidates that fail the clinical portion is because of Bad Patient Selection...not clinical skill!

 

[satch]

i agree wut u say. i did the same. coz i could not afford for $7500 😳 .after taking all those courses. 😳 so i started looking for patients 3 months before itself. and was ready with my back ups also 🙂 .keep finding till the previous day for the best patient.
most of frends had lack of resources so they had to use the pateint finding services. But they were happy with that .
anyways.. it all depends on ur choice wut u want to do 😉

mirka,
x-ray license isn't needed. I took it in March, and your success is based on patient selection, patient selection and patient selection. Regarding previous postings of patient agencies - they are out there only for their own benefit not yours. Rely on yourself to find the appropriate pts...family, friends, friends of friends are best. Also ask your grocery cashier, bank teller, taxi driver, waiter, next door neighbour...simply people that you encounter daily. You'll be surprised how many are willing and what you may find in their mouths. Screen as many as you can, take a few bwx's, examine them, see how they react...This process also helps you to build confidence in what you are doing and looking for. Many candidates that fail the clinical portion is because of Bad Patient Selection...not clinical skill!

 

[kas]

Can someone please provide a link for the bench exam prep courses offered by Dr. Stevenson. Thanks.

 

[minli00]

Can someone please provide a link for the bench exam prep courses offered by Dr. Stevenson. Thanks.

http://uclasod.dent.ucla.edu/continuingeducation/index.asp?id=480

 

[Y'all]

http://uclasod.dent.ucla.edu/continuingeducation/index.asp?id=480

Hi minli, are you still interested with the rubber cheeks? I also have a kilgore typodont to sell. Do reply if you're still interested.

 

[sadanand]

i agree wut u say. i did the same. coz i could not afford for $7500 😳 .after taking all those courses. 😳 so i started looking for patients 3 months before itself. and was ready with my back ups also 🙂 .keep finding till the previous day for the best patient.
most of frends had lack of resources so they had to use the pateint finding services. But they were happy with that .
anyways.. it all depends on ur choice wut u want to do 😉

hi,
thanks for all the info. its been very helpful so far. one more question , r there any agencies that supply dental assistants for the exams ??