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[emergentmd]

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Honestly, I'm kinda surprised you did the homework. A+.

So I stand corrected.

But tell me this, with these articles proving what they do why are we still constantly hearing that Obama was lax on immigration?

Yeah, I had to spend my precious time away from golf to do some homework b/c it looked like the left just continues to parrot the same stuff without ever looking up some facts. Typical DJT bad and all other Dem presidents good no matter the facts. TBH, the right does the same.

Obama immigration never crossed my mind. I liked Obama, disagreed with the ACA but overall thought he was a very strong president. He is my Favorite dem president dating back to Carter when I actually cared about politics.

If he dems fielded someone like Obama, he would wipe the floor with DJT or Vance. But dems have been titled over by the extreme left and have shifted the middle way past what Obama was. Obama's politics is more Rep Center or Center left. This has been a site to see over the past 20 years.

 

[pgg]

I also think the cutting of USAID, which will result in an estimated 14 million deaths around the world, is pretty violent.

I know you just wrote that as a rhetorical device as part of another argument, but even so I wouldn't label the withdrawal of charity as "violence", or even imply it's our job or duty to send such charity overseas. Those projected 14 million deaths are not going to be our fault.

Now, I strongly favor such aid, both on humanitarian grounds (charity is a high ideal we should aspire to as individuals and as a nation) ... and as an effective and inexpensive foreign policy tool to promote and defend our interests and allies. Cutting USAID was among the dumbest of many dumb things Trump has done.

 

[emergentmd]

I think DJT is on the list. It’s as simple as that. You can ‘what about Biden’ all day, won’t change it. Prominent Dems were protected too.

So was Clinton and I am sure Oprah, JB, and hundreds of dems too. Trust me, the dems have no will to "Open the file" or they would have under JB. He had 4 years to do it.

Same delayed outrage at whatever DJT does. Gets boring and sky is not falling.

 

[rowsdower88]

I know you just wrote that as a rhetorical device as part of another argument, but even so I wouldn't label the withdrawal of charity as "violence", or even imply it's our job or duty to send such charity overseas. Those projected 14 million deaths are not going to be our fault.

Now, I strongly favor such aid, both on humanitarian grounds (charity is a high ideal we should aspire to as individuals and as a nation) ... and as an effective and inexpensive foreign policy tool to promote and defend our interests and allies. Cutting USAID was among the dumbest of many dumb things Trump has done.

Depends on which school of ethics you're subscribed to and your views of obligation.

Is it violent to watch a baby drown in a pool by not providing the "charity" of assistance? (Hyperbolic example, the world's poor aren't all babies. But USAID does benefit many of them.) We have the means and it was an active decision to withdraw our aid, not an accident. It was intentional to stop the aid, the Trump administration could have just left USAID alone.

If it makes my point come across better, I'll refer to it as "predictable and preventable harm" instead of violence.

 

[Southpaw]

So was Clinton and I am sure Oprah, JB, and hundreds of dems too. Trust me, the dems have no will to "Open the file" or they would have under JB. He had 4 years to do it.

Same delayed outrage at whatever DJT does. Gets boring and sky is not falling.

Clinton 100%. Oprah? Lol. Who knows! You seem really intent on protecting DJTs reputation along with other MAGAs. I have no intent whatsoever at protect Democrats. If they’re on the list prosecute them!!

Too bad the crooked DJT DOJ disappeared the list!!

 

[rowsdower88]

The healthcare Medicare spending is the cause of 20% of the USA overall debt which was passed by LBJ. And immigration crisis is caused by LBJ. The AMT crisis caused by Democrats.

Describing Medicare as a "problem" as you are doing is entirely based on the debt generated by Medicare being a burden on future generations.

You're neglecting the amount of harm that has been prevented and the good that has been done by providing Americans with Medicare.

Economically, it would be better to just jettison every American into a woodchipper once they've stopped working. That doesn't mean we should or that Medicare is causing more harm than good.

 

[UscGhost]

I love your list of tangentially related topics and the giant leaps you have to make to connect them to the right with theoretical numbers and lives attacked to them…

I mean if you really want to play that game let’s go nuclear and talk about abortion violence.

Millions of actual lives lost per year of 100 percent avoidable death. I mean that’s a genocide that rivals the holocaust…

All the reductio aside, the left has a violence problem… period.

You were the one that somehow first jumped over to economic damages...until you realized that the conservative movement causes far more.

Maybe you should come back to reality and pay closer attention to the maga leadership calling for violence. Its predominantly a maga leadership trait.

 

[DocMcCoy]

You were the one that somehow first jumped over to economic damages...until you realized that the conservative movement causes far more.

Maybe you should come back to reality and pay closer attention to the maga leadership calling for violence. Its predominantly a maga leadership trait.

More?? That is definitely far from proven.

But again, the economic damage from direct violence is currently a left issue. And you know that is exactly what I’m talking about.


Not theoreticals loosely associated through policies….

But, if you want to go line by line through the lyrics of the classic Billy Joel hit We Didn’t Start The Fire, and attribute partisan blame we can.

Show me the right calling for violence right now. This is currently a left issue. I don’t know why you can’t admit that.

 

[aneftp]

Describing Medicare as a "problem" as you are doing is entirely based on the debt generated by Medicare being a burden on future generations.

You're neglecting the amount of harm that has been prevented and the good that has been done by providing Americans with Medicare.

Economically, it would be better to just jettison every American into a woodchipper once they've stopped working. That doesn't mean we should or that Medicare is causing more harm than good.

It’s a problem that builds and builds. That’s why I use the student who can’t read and keeps getting passed from grade to grade.

I just had an idiotic surgeon do 5 robot elective cases at community hospital all night all on Medicare. It is a freaking waste of resources and he even transfers 3 of them from another sister hospital

You want to know what’s wrong with Medicare. That’s what’s wrong with Medicare. And I didn’t even want the 11k I would have made on call. I gave it to another hungrier doc.

There are many versions of Medicare fraud all the “metrics” people sitting in their govt offices cannot calculate because they are not on the ground understanding the level of abuse hospitals and providers do.

 

[rowsdower88]

Show me the right calling for violence right now.

What would they (you) even be calling for violence for right now? They (you) are in the driver's seat.

They're getting what they want. They want fewer people insured. They want fewer people helped around the world. They want more fossil fuels burned. They want to teach creationism in schools and lead prayer circles on the 50 yard line. They want trans people marginalized. They want immigrants (legal status and illegal status) sent to gulags. They want a ballooning defense budget. They want the courts' ability to stymie a conservative agenda curtailed (really could pick almost any SCOTUS case from the past decade...).

What does the Right want in this moment in time that it isn't getting? What would you be protesting the government for?

 

[Southpaw]

Show me the right calling for violence right now. This is currently a left issue. I don’t know why you can’t admit that.

I’m tired of this. In the perfectly crafted neat little box you’ve crafted for an argument the guilt lies with the left! Now if you look outside that neat little box it gets very ugly very quickly so you don’t want to do that. I don’t blame you!

Quick question - what would the right call for violence over, exactly? What aren’t they currently getting that they want?

 

[UscGhost]

More?? That is definitely far from proven.

But again, the economic damage from direct violence is currently a left issue. And you know that is exactly what I’m talking about.


Not theoreticals loosely associated through policies….

But, if you want to go line by line through the lyrics of the classic Billy Joel hit We Didn’t Start The Fire, and attribute partisan blame we can.

Show me the right calling for violence right now. This is currently a left issue. I don’t know why you can’t admit that.

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.

You have to go back to the 1970s to find the last big cycle of far-left extremism in the U.S. Both Pitcavage and McNabb say we have been in a predominantly far-right extremist cycle since the 1990s — the abortion clinic bombings and Oklahoma City, for example. And, more recently, racially motivated attacks such as the one at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, the mass shooting at a black church in Charleston, S.C., and last month's stabbings on a commuter train in Portland.

 

[DocMcCoy]

What would they (you) even be calling for violence for right now? They (you) are in the driver's seat.

What does the Right want in this moment in time that it isn't getting? What would you be protesting the government for?

Well let’s compare 2020-2024 to this election cycle to now…

let’s see we had one day on J6 then 4 years of calm during the Biden administration. Where was the right burning cities when we weren’t in power?

I don’t recall mass Biden protests when his mental decline could no longer be masked from the public.

I don’t recall a no kings day after Kamala was placed in his stead without voter approval.

I don’t recall assassination attempts.

It wasn’t nearly as much a problem then as it is now and I think there is enough data to support that.

As far as now, I don’t see mass counter anti Israel violence, I don’t see a violent response to the anti law enforcement sentiment.

All that aside, it doesn’t change the fact there there is a currently a political violence problem with the left. Its magnitude and scope is greater than that of the previous administration. If it changes in the future we can have the argument. But that isn’t where we are now.

 

[DocMcCoy]

"The far left is very active in the United States, but it hasn't been particularly violent for some time," says Mark Pitcavage, a senior research fellow at the Anti-Defamation League's Center on Extremism.

He says the numbers between the groups don't compare.

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says.

You have to go back to the 1970s to find the last big cycle of far-left extremism in the U.S. Both Pitcavage and McNabb say we have been in a predominantly far-right extremist cycle since the 1990s — the abortion clinic bombings and Oklahoma City, for example. And, more recently, racially motivated attacks such as the one at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin, the mass shooting at a black church in Charleston, S.C., and last month's stabbings on a commuter train in Portland.

2017? You think this adequately reflects 2025???

 

[rowsdower88]

I don’t recall assassination attempts.

Haven't the assassination attempts been from people with conservative beliefs?

let’s see we had one day on J6 then 4 years of calm during the Biden administration. Where was the right burning cities when we weren’t in power?

I don’t recall mass Biden protests when his mental decline could no longer be masked from the public.

I don’t recall a no kings day after Kamala was placed in his stead without voter approval.

Biden didn't really do anything to harm conservative voters. In fact, he repeatedly reached across the aisle towards them and emphasized bringing clean energy jobs to conservative states. Bipartisan legislation WAS his goal (most of the time). Maybe KBJ to SCOTUS would be the most overtly political decision, but it didn't change the 6-3 majority.

As far as now, I don’t see mass counter anti Israel violence, I don’t see a violent response to the anti law enforcement sentiment.

Why would there be? The Biden administration was very pro-Israel with only modest critique of their plans.

All that aside, it doesn’t change the fact there there is a currently a political violence problem with the left. Its magnitude and scope is greater than that of the previous administration. If it changes in the future we can have the argument. But that isn’t where we are now.

Yeah, I just don't see it.

Maybe the argument could be made that the lack of protests over immigration policy should be seen as restraint of the conservative movement? I'm skeptical.

Edit: This is where political rhetoric probably comes into play to some extent. Biden at least tried to govern for the entire country. Trump emphatically does not.

 

[UscGhost]

2017? You think this adequately reflects 2025???

Don't worry. You guys are still winning

FACT FOCUS: Heritage Foundation leader wrong to say most political violence is committed by the left

The leader of a conservative think tank claims that most recent political violence in the U.S. has been caused by left-wing extremists, but the data paints a different picture.

apnews.com

This one is interesting. You guys are neck and neck with Islamist extremists!


Through the first dataset, the Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States (PIRUS), the researchers zeroed in on acts of extremism in the United States from 1948-2018. They found nearly no difference between the likelihood of an Islamist extremist and a right-wing extremist committing an act of violence; the probability of a violent act of extremism in the United States being committed by a left-wing extremist was found to be 0.33, 0.61 by a right-wing extremist, and 0.62 by an Islamist extremist.

UMD-Led Study Shows Disparities in Violence Among Extremist Groups | CCJS l Criminology and Criminal Justice Department l University of Maryland

First-of-its-kind Look at Left, Right, and Islamist Extremists Explores Similarities, Differences New research co-led by University of Maryland CCJS Professor Gary LaFree finds that some political extremist groups are more likely to commit violent acts than others—a belief that’s been...

ccjs.umd.edu

Numbers for right-wing extremist violence are far higher, with numerous high-profile terrorist attacks as well as lower-level assaults, vandalism, and other forms of violence. Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, far-right extremists have killed 130 people in the United States, more than any other political cause, including jihadists.7 Notable attacks in recent years include the 2018 Pittsburgh Synagogue attack, the 2019 El Paso mall killings, and the 2022 Buffalo market attack. A range of far-right extremists, including organized groups such as the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers as well as hundreds of unaffiliated conspiracy theorists, anti-government extremists, and ordinary supporters of President Trump, also stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, in a direct assault on American democracy. Far-right extremist violence has not abated: earlier this month, on May 6, 2023, an apparent neo-Nazi with misogynist leanings shot up a Texas mall, killing eight people

Countering organized violence in the United States | Brookings

Political violence in the United States is a grave threat not only to the lives of Americans, but also to the health of American democracy.

www.brookings.edu

 

[DocMcCoy]

Don't worry. You guys are still winning

FACT FOCUS: Heritage Foundation leader wrong to say most political violence is committed by the left

The leader of a conservative think tank claims that most recent political violence in the U.S. has been caused by left-wing extremists, but the data paints a different picture.

apnews.com

This one is interesting. You guys are neck and neck with Islamist extremists!


Through the first dataset, the Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States (PIRUS), the researchers zeroed in on acts of extremism in the United States from 1948-2018. They found nearly no difference between the likelihood of an Islamist extremist and a right-wing extremist committing an act of violence; the probability of a violent act of extremism in the United States being committed by a left-wing extremist was found to be 0.33, 0.61 by a right-wing extremist, and 0.62 by an Islamist extremist.

UMD-Led Study Shows Disparities in Violence Among Extremist Groups | CCJS l Criminology and Criminal Justice Department l University of Maryland

First-of-its-kind Look at Left, Right, and Islamist Extremists Explores Similarities, Differences New research co-led by University of Maryland CCJS Professor Gary LaFree finds that some political extremist groups are more likely to commit violent acts than others—a belief that’s been...

ccjs.umd.edu

And you would appear to be trying your damndest to catch up. That’s the point.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Haven't the assassination attempts been from people with conservative beliefs?

1st guy registered R but donated D

2nd guy was a Trump supporter but also supported Bernie Sanders

Their views were all over the place as one would expect from a crazy person.

Nevertheless, current sentiment suggests 50% of the D voters think assassinating Trump would be justified. That would statistically include some posters here.



Is the argument now that political violence is ok and/or expected if you aren’t getting what you want? I don’t think that’s how that should work.

 

[UscGhost]

And you would appear to be trying your damndest to catch up. That’s the point.

Lol ok. You just prefer to ignore the last 80 years or so.

You do realize that the leader of your conservative movement has himself encouraged violence. Incited a violent mob. And then pardoned the violent mob.

But hey, if you think thats the same level as some "grass roots"udes on the dark web...

 

[aneftp]

Don't worry. You guys are still winning

FACT FOCUS: Heritage Foundation leader wrong to say most political violence is committed by the left

The leader of a conservative think tank claims that most recent political violence in the U.S. has been caused by left-wing extremists, but the data paints a different picture.

apnews.com

This one is interesting. You guys are neck and neck with Islamist extremists!


Through the first dataset, the Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States (PIRUS), the researchers zeroed in on acts of extremism in the United States from 1948-2018. They found nearly no difference between the likelihood of an Islamist extremist and a right-wing extremist committing an act of violence; the probability of a violent act of extremism in the United States being committed by a left-wing extremist was found to be 0.33, 0.61 by a right-wing extremist, and 0.62 by an Islamist extremist.

UMD-Led Study Shows Disparities in Violence Among Extremist Groups | CCJS l Criminology and Criminal Justice Department l University of Maryland

First-of-its-kind Look at Left, Right, and Islamist Extremists Explores Similarities, Differences New research co-led by University of Maryland CCJS Professor Gary LaFree finds that some political extremist groups are more likely to commit violent acts than others—a belief that’s been...

ccjs.umd.edu

Numbers for right-wing extremist violence are far higher, with numerous high-profile terrorist attacks as well as lower-level assaults, vandalism, and other forms of violence. Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, far-right extremists have killed 130 people in the United States, more than any other political cause, including jihadists.7 Notable attacks in recent years include the 2018 Pittsburgh Synagogue attack, the 2019 El Paso mall killings, and the 2022 Buffalo market attack. A range of far-right extremists, including organized groups such as the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers as well as hundreds of unaffiliated conspiracy theorists, anti-government extremists, and ordinary supporters of President Trump, also stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, in a direct assault on American democracy. Far-right extremist violence has not abated: earlier this month, on May 6, 2023, an apparent neo-Nazi with misogynist leanings shot up a Texas mall, killing eight people

Countering organized violence in the United States | Brookings

Political violence in the United States is a grave threat not only to the lives of Americans, but also to the health of American democracy.

www.brookings.edu

Apparently that article excluded all the riots that happen in the 1960s with the left wingers to the 1990s with Rodney king. Lol

Talk about junk poorly written article.

So we have one Jan 6 riot. Vs all the other riots that have happen like Michael brown shootings etc to obviously George Floyd’s. All excluded from that article.

 

[UscGhost]

Apparently that article excluded all the riots that happen in the 1960s with the left wingers to the 1990s with Rodney king. Lol

Talk about junk poorly written article.

So we have one Jan 6 riot. Vs all the other riots that have happen like Michael brown shootings etc to obviously George Floyd’s. All excluded from that article.

Since when was Rodney King and George Floyd a liberal movement?

Those were anti police brutality riots. Unless, you are arguing that conservatives are pro- police brutality?

 

[DocMcCoy]

Since when was Rodney King and George Floyd a liberal movement?

Those were anti police brutality riots. Unless, you are arguing that conservatives are pro- police brutality?

😂 lol. Dude. What???

 

[pgg]

1st guy registered R but donated D

2nd guy was a Trump supporter but also supported Bernie Sanders

Their views were all over the place as one would expect from a crazy person.

Nevertheless, current sentiment suggests 50% of the D voters think assassinating Trump would be justified. That would statistically include some posters here.



Is the argument now that political violence is ok and/or expected if you aren’t getting what you want? I don’t think that’s how that should work.

If we're keeping score, don't forget the state rep (+ husband) who was assassinated in Minnesota a couple weeks ago. And the attempt on the state senator the same day.

 

[pgg]

Apparently that article excluded all the riots that happen in the 1960s with the left wingers to the 1990s with Rodney king. Lol

Talk about junk poorly written article.

So we have one Jan 6 riot. Vs all the other riots that have happen like Michael brown shootings etc to obviously George Floyd’s. All excluded from that article.

I know, right?

One teensy little riot incited by a sitting president to overthrow an election he lost, to violently interfere with the Congressional certification of said election, and people start acting like that's different!?!

 

[aneftp]

I know, right?

One teensy little riot incited by a sitting president to overthrow an election he lost, to violently interfere with the Congressional certification of said election, and people start acting like that's different!?!

It’s called moving the goalposts. Just like stats people say Medicaid administration only costs around $18k per person. Because the vast majority on kids on chip require very little healthcare to drive down the average.

Stats can be manipulated like crazy as anyone who has taken a stats course knows. Just like I can say pre existing conditions really only affect 1-2 million people or less than 1% of the USA entire population who actually have it on the exchanges as a total percentage of the USA 330 million people.

 

[DocMcCoy]

If we're keeping score, don't forget the state rep (+ husband) who was assassinated in Minnesota a couple weeks ago. And the attempt on the state senator the same day.

And Elias Rodriguez, and Mohamed Soliman… but you are right, political violence isn’t isolated to the left.

 

[aneftp]

Since when was Rodney King and George Floyd a liberal movement?

Those were anti police brutality riots. Unless, you are arguing that conservatives are pro- police brutality?

Have you seen all the liberals celebrities who supported the George Floyd riots. Name me one conservative ? LeBron James? He ain’t promoting no peaceful protest. He’s about as liberal as they come.

George Floyd protests: support by ideology U.S. 2020| Statista

As of mid-June 2020, an overwhelming majority of U.S.

www.statista.com

Left wingers have more violent riots. Those are facts.

Left wing riots happen and they happen far more than right wing riots. Just look at the LA riots. How many of those voted republican?

Some far-left groups have encouraged peaceful protests to turn violent, experts say

Unrest in Los Angeles follows a recent pattern: Protests that break out remain mostly peaceful during the day, but at night agitators engage in fiery clashes with police.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[rowsdower88]

1st guy registered R but donated D

2nd guy was a Trump supporter but also supported Bernie Sanders

Their views were all over the place as one would expect from a crazy person.

Nevertheless, current sentiment suggests 50% of the D voters think assassinating Trump would be justified. That would statistically include some posters here.



Is the argument now that political violence is ok and/or expected if you aren’t getting what you want? I don’t think that’s how that should work.

If we ultimately just say they're crazy, it doesn't seem that relevant then.

I see polling suggesting 28% to 1/3 Democrats believe "the US would be better off" if Trump was assassinated. What polling are you referring to, because I almost agree with the prompt when it's presented that way.

"While it is always difficult to wish ill of another human being, would America be better off if Donald Trump had been killed last weekend?"

Overall, 17% of Americans responded "yes," 69% said "no," and the remaining 14% said they were not sure. Among Democrats surveyed, 28% responded "yes."

Poll: 28% of Democrats say U.S. better off if Trump were assassinated

(The Center Square) – More than a quarter of Democrats in a new poll said America would be better off if former President Donald Trump had been killed in Sunday's

www.thecentersquare.com

Like, there's a world in which the Republican party abandons MAGA following Trump's death and becomes a normal conservative party again not beholden to a God-King. I don't think that's the likely outcome of an actual assassination, and I think the negatives outweigh the positives, so I would probably answer no.

 

[aneftp]

Here is ur Medicare fraud.

Humana agrees to purchase bankrupt Florida provider The Villages Health for $50M

The insurer’s bid is preliminary and kicks off an auction for the debt-laden provider, which decided to pursue bankruptcy after discovering it owed Medicare hundreds of millions of dollars.

www.healthcaredive.com

F’ing billed Medicare for 360 million , got audited and busted , Medicare wants their money back. They don’t have it. Filed chapt 11 overnight and sold all their assests to Humana . They still owe over 200 vendors they can’t pay. So if they got 360 mill and sold assests for 50 mil, what’s is the other 300 million? Hmmm. Big big trouble and humana comes in a buys them to grow their Humana practice.

Village’s health care got busted for Medicare fraud. Filed chapt 11 n sold their assests overnight . CEO knew about it the whole time

CEO should be in jail but we all know he ain’t gonna to jail

 

[DocMcCoy]

If we ultimately just say they're crazy, it doesn't seem that relevant then.

I see polling suggesting 28% to 1/3 Democrats believe "the US would be better off" if Trump was assassinated. What polling are you referring to, because I almost agree with the prompt when it's presented that way.

Back in April it was talked about before.

I disagree with you here. I don’t think the country is better off if any elected sitting president is assassinated. I think that’s a dangerous way to frame the question and 1/3 supporting it is outrageous.

‘Assassination Culture’: Poll Shows About Half Of Liberals Believe Killing Trump, Musk Justified

A new survey finds an “assassination culture” growing on the American left since the attempted killing of President Donald Trump in July 2024. Data released Monday from the Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI) found “48% and 55%” of “left of center” people “at least somewhat justifying...

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[aneftp]

Back in April it was talked about before.

I disagree with you here. I don’t think the country is better off if any elected sitting president is assassinated. I think that’s a dangerous way to frame the question and 1/3 supporting it is outrageous.

‘Assassination Culture’: Poll Shows About Half Of Liberals Believe Killing Trump, Musk Justified

A new survey finds an “assassination culture” growing on the American left since the attempted killing of President Donald Trump in July 2024. Data released Monday from the Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI) found “48% and 55%” of “left of center” people “at least somewhat justifying...

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Trump can die and democrats would still oppose JD Vance jD Vance can die and democrats would suppose oppose whoever was the vice president at that time. It can go on and on.

Let’s just get those facts out there.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Trump can die and democrats would still oppose JD Vance jD Vance can die and democrats would suppose oppose whoever was the vice president at that time. It can go on and on.

Let’s just get those facts out there.

I’ve thought about this a lot and I agree with you. Ive always thought man if we can just get past Trump it will be fine. But we can’t. It doesn’t matter who the next person is we are definitely going to hear about how they are as bad or worse than Trump. That will be the narrative. Even if the next republican nominee was Ghadhi.

 

[rowsdower88]

Trump can die and democrats would still oppose JD Vance jD Vance can die and democrats would suppose oppose whoever was the vice president at that time. It can go on and on.

Let’s just get those facts out there.

I don't think Vance represents the existential threat to democracy that Trump does.

I would still oppose him as a politician of course, what are you expecting?

I’ve thought about this a lot and I agree with you. Ive always thought man if we can just get past Trump it will be fine. But we can’t. It doesn’t matter who the next person is we are definitely going to hear about how they are as bad or worse than Trump. That will be the narrative. Even if the next republican nominee was Ghadhi.

What are you talking about? Is Vance going to try and steal an election ala Trump?

OF COURSE WE'RE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT HOW BAD VANCE IS. That's politics. You consistently allow and celebrate politics from one side, and disallow political activity from your opponents. I expect and hope to hear reporting about bad activities Vance does (or any presumptive R presidential nominee).

The idea Republicans would nominate a Ghandi figure, who cares for immigrants and actual values empathy is laughable.

 

[DocMcCoy]

I don't think Vance represents the existential threat to democracy that Trump does.

I would still oppose him as a politician of course, what are you expecting?

What are you talking about? Is Vance going to try and steal an election ala Trump?

OF COURSE WERE GOING TO HEAR ABOUT HOW BAD VANCE IS. That's politics. You consistently allow and celebrate politics from one side, and disallow political activity from your opponents. I expect and hope to hear reporting about bad activities Vance (ir any presumptive R presidential nominee).

No, the goal will be to frame him as bad or worse than Trump. He isn’t nearly as bad. You know that l, I know that, and voters know that, but that will be the narrative.

And posters here will be talking about how they are the next existential threat to democracy.

 

[UscGhost]

😂 lol. Dude. What???

Glad to see that the conservatives are finally acknowledging their general support for police brutality and racism. Must have been tough stuck in that closet for so long.

But remind me, did President Biden hold a BLM rally a few hours before George Floyd riots? I must have missed that one.

But i am sure he pardoned all the violent criminals that were arrested right? No? Oh.. interesting 🤔

Guess that's reserved for the real extremist leaders. Gotta support your followers. Shame on the Dems

 

[rowsdower88]

No, the goal will be to frame him as bad or worse than Trump. He isn’t nearly as bad. You know that l, I know that, and voters know that, but that will be the narrative.

A narrative? Sure. That's politics! How do you figure it will be THE narrative?

Maybe he will be worse for some Americans than others, he's got a lot of time to prove his MAGA credentials.

 

[DocMcCoy]

Glad to see that the conservatives are finally acknowledging their general support for police brutality and racism. Must have been tough stuck in that closet for so long.

But remind me, did President Biden hold a BLM rally a few hours before George Floyd riots? I must have missed that one.

But i am sure he pardoned all the violent criminals that were arrested right? No? Oh.. interesting 🤔

Guess that's reserved for the real extremist leaders. Gotta support your followers. Shame on the Dems

Hey man it was fun for a minute but you are off the rails again. So much wrong with what you are saying I don’t know where to start. So I won’t.

 

[UscGhost]

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Hey man it was fun for a minute but you are off the rails again. So much wrong with what you are saying I don’t know where to start. So I won’t.

Hey I get it. When your leader incites a violent rally himself...it must be pretty exhausting trying to contort reality enough to try and convince folks that the other side is more violent.

But hey, its not easy re-writing almost a century of right wing violence. Keep trying though

 

[DocMcCoy]

A narrative? Sure. That's politics! How do you figure it will be THE narrative?

Maybe he will be worse for some Americans than others, he's got a lot of time to prove his MAGA credentials.

some of the same people that recognize any presumptive nominee isn’t Trump will be the same people to look at you with a straight face and tell you they are.

The ONLY narrative the left currently has is an anti-Trump narrative.

And it’s what is justifying the violence and rhetoric coming from the left right now and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

 

[DocMcCoy]

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Hey I get it. When your leader incites a violent rally himself...it must be pretty exhausting trying to contort reality enough to try and convince folks that the other side is more violent.

But hey, its not easy re-writing almost a century of right wing violence. Keep trying though

We can smash every window in this country and kill whoever we want because J6. That is pretty much your argument right now.

 

[rowsdower88]

some of the same people that recognize any presumptive nominee isn’t Trump will be the same people to look at you with a straight face and tell you they are.

The ONLY narrative the left currently has is an anti-Trump narrative.

And it’s what is justifying the violence and rhetoric coming from the left right now and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

Dude. Democrats are coming out with new stuff every week! If you're only seeing an anti-Trump narrative you aren't looking hard enough or at all.

The Abundance Agenda is what I'm excited about as a YIMBY (with some environmental reservations). Building more housing. Building high speed rail.

Governor Newsom signs into law groundbreaking reforms to build more housing, boost affordability | Governor of California

www.gov.ca.gov

Governor Newsom Signs Reforms Accelerating Rail Development in California

Governor Gavin Newsom has signed into law a legislative package that redefines California’s approach to housing and rail infrastructure.

railway-news.com

Mamdani in NYC is definitely offering a lot of change and ideas that aren't connected to Trump at all. I imagine him being a Democratic Socialist doesn't do any favors for you, but I haven't really heard him talk about Trump at all except when reporters ask him about him.

Trump literally sucks all of the political oxygen in the room sometimes.

All that said... it is absolutely important that there should be an anti-Trump narrative out there! He's doing some dumb ****!!!

 

[DocMcCoy]

Dude. Democrats are coming out with new stuff every week! If you're only seeing an anti-Trump narrative you aren't looking hard enough or at all.

The Abundance Agenda is what I'm excited about as a YIMBY (with some environmental reservations). Building more housing. Building high speed rail.

Governor Newsom signs into law groundbreaking reforms to build more housing, boost affordability | Governor of California

www.gov.ca.gov

Governor Newsom Signs Reforms Accelerating Rail Development in California

Governor Gavin Newsom has signed into law a legislative package that redefines California’s approach to housing and rail infrastructure.

railway-news.com

Mamdani in NYC is definitely offering a lot of change and ideas that aren't connected to Trump at all. I imagine him being a Democratic Socialist doesn't do any favors for you, but I haven't really heard him talk about Trump at all except when reporters ask him about him.

Trump literally sucks all of the political oxygen in the room sometimes.

All that said... it is absolutely important that there should be an anti-Trump narrative out there! He's doing some dumb ****!!!

I honestly hope this translates to the national level the next election cycle. Because focusing on how bad Trump is or the presumptive Trump heir I don’t think is a winning strategy.

 

[UscGhost]

We can smash every window in this country and kill whoever we want because J6. That is pretty much your argument right now.

Nope.

I am just pointing out that there is a massive difference between

A conservative president, actively creating a conspiracy theory, then actively planning a rally, in which he actively encouraged violence, which directly led to a violent rally a few hours later...and then he specifically pardons the violent protestors (retroactively approving of their actions)

Vs rallies generated spontaneously from impactful and highly emotional social events

 

[nimbus]

Don't worry. You guys are still winning

FACT FOCUS: Heritage Foundation leader wrong to say most political violence is committed by the left

The leader of a conservative think tank claims that most recent political violence in the U.S. has been caused by left-wing extremists, but the data paints a different picture.

apnews.com

This one is interesting. You guys are neck and neck with Islamist extremists!


Through the first dataset, the Profiles of Individual Radicalization in the United States (PIRUS), the researchers zeroed in on acts of extremism in the United States from 1948-2018. They found nearly no difference between the likelihood of an Islamist extremist and a right-wing extremist committing an act of violence; the probability of a violent act of extremism in the United States being committed by a left-wing extremist was found to be 0.33, 0.61 by a right-wing extremist, and 0.62 by an Islamist extremist.

UMD-Led Study Shows Disparities in Violence Among Extremist Groups | CCJS l Criminology and Criminal Justice Department l University of Maryland

First-of-its-kind Look at Left, Right, and Islamist Extremists Explores Similarities, Differences New research co-led by University of Maryland CCJS Professor Gary LaFree finds that some political extremist groups are more likely to commit violent acts than others—a belief that’s been...

ccjs.umd.edu

Numbers for right-wing extremist violence are far higher, with numerous high-profile terrorist attacks as well as lower-level assaults, vandalism, and other forms of violence. Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, far-right extremists have killed 130 people in the United States, more than any other political cause, including jihadists.7 Notable attacks in recent years include the 2018 Pittsburgh Synagogue attack, the 2019 El Paso mall killings, and the 2022 Buffalo market attack. A range of far-right extremists, including organized groups such as the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers as well as hundreds of unaffiliated conspiracy theorists, anti-government extremists, and ordinary supporters of President Trump, also stormed the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021, in a direct assault on American democracy. Far-right extremist violence has not abated: earlier this month, on May 6, 2023, an apparent neo-Nazi with misogynist leanings shot up a Texas mall, killing eight people

Countering organized violence in the United States | Brookings

Political violence in the United States is a grave threat not only to the lives of Americans, but also to the health of American democracy.

www.brookings.edu

Makes sense because Islamists are right wing extremists of a different flavor. They both invoke god to justify their craziness.

 

[aneftp]

We can smash every window in this country and kill whoever we want because J6. That is pretty much your argument right now.

The left keep going back to jan 6 2021. When the facts is 99.99% of those charged can legally put “have you ever been convicted on any federal criminal charges” and those charged can all legally say no. They never were convicted

What is final total tally of those legally convicted after Jan 2025? Extremely few. Remember a pardon means they were never convicted. Ask Joe Biden. That’s what he did for his family members.

 

[MirrorTodd]

Aren’t you guys exhausted of bickering yet? (This question is for both sides) But I also want to ask the conservatives…what the **** are you even supporting at this point? Like you are seriously just hellbent on arguing anti-democratic viewpoints simply BECAUSE they don’t align with your team, meanwhile your team is “raping” America.

 

[UscGhost]

The left keep going back to jan 6 2021. When the facts is 99.99% of those charged can legally put “have you ever been convicted on any federal criminal charges” and those charged can all legally say no. They never were convicted

What is final total tally of those legally convicted after Jan 2025? Extremely few. Remember a pardon means they were never convicted. Ask Joe Biden. That’s what he did for his family members.

Is there a point in there? Nobody cares about pardons for people who werent even suspected, let alone charged of a crime. Also nobody cares about pardons for a guy who does some cocaine with hookers

People who care about political violence (do, or should) care about pardons for criminals who assault cops at a political riot

 

[aneftp]

Is there a point in there? Nobody cares about pardons for people who werent even suspected, let alone charged of a crime. Also nobody cares about pardons for a guy who does some cocaine with hookers

People who care about political violence (do, or should) care about pardons for criminals who assault cops at a political riot

so you really don’t care trumps convictions . With stormy Daniels.

 

[aneftp]

Is there a point in there? Nobody cares about pardons for people who werent even suspected, let alone charged of a crime. Also nobody cares about pardons for a guy who does some cocaine with hookers

People who care about political violence (do, or should) care about pardons for criminals who assault cops at a political riot

The George Floyd riots were political. Not just about police brutality. But about how the black man is treated in the us court system. And the governor of Minnesota. Barely prosecuted any criminals.

 

[UscGhost]

so you really don’t care trumps convictions . With stormy Daniels.

Dont care at all.

Election tampering and national security were vastly more important.