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It is going to be Harris.
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Harris will likely be the nominee.
How could she be VP currently and not be chosen? Democrats will have a hard time explaining that.
She isn't competent to be president. She was chosen to help consolidate minority voters. Look at how the Biden administration has kept her in the background, out of sight. She's done nothing of substance and when she opens her mouth, she doesn't sound smart.
Regardless of her competence issues, the main problem is she isn't that likeable.
Her political ascent is due to being Willie Browns mistress.
Regardless, it's not a guarantee Trump will win.
How could she be VP currently and not be chosen? Democrats will have a hard time explaining that.
She isn't competent to be president. She was chosen to help consolidate minority voters. Look at how the Biden administration has kept her in the background, out of sight. She's done nothing of substance and when she opens her mouth, she doesn't sound smart.
Regardless of her competence issues, the main problem is she isn't that likeable.
Her political ascent is due to being Willie Browns mistress.
Regardless, it's not a guarantee Trump will win.
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She will be the nominee for a number of reasons
1.) Biden and democrats assured us that despite Biden's overt proclamation that he was picking his VP primarily due to her gender and race, she was also perfectly qualified and capable. Skipping over the VP would demonstrate they were insincere and they don't even subscribe to the DEI policies they sanctimoniously serve up to their base. This becomes highly problematic and creates a rift in the democratic party. Progressive wing will revolt if the party tries to skip over the assistant captain and natural successor in favor of another white and/or male candidate. They walked themselves into a corner.
2.) Most of the top democratic leadership and heavy hitters have already endorsed her or are planning to endorse her in the coming days. The establishment is already coalescing around her.
3.) Preliminary polling shows that even if an open primary were held again, Kamala has more support to replace Biden within the party than any other big name.
She won't be the strongest candidate in a general election, and polling shows her not polling any better than Biden against Trump right now. But Democrats already made their bed with Kamala, and now they will lie in it.
Her best chance for the ticket would be to pick a VP who is a white male moderate from a swing state.
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Is calling another member of the forum an azz clown allowed? I mean I’ve already been doxxed so I’m curious where the line is. I guess it matters which side of bipartisan politics you come down on? It’s overwhelmingly obvious which side is preferentially favored here. (And I’m on the libertarian side if anything).Hi
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just ignore. thats what someone responds with when they have literally no idea what to say becuase they have single digit IQ. How anyone can with a straight face that Kamala is competent enough to be president is beyond me.
Again I will ask her supporters, please tell me one thing she has accomplished as VP
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I would be interested to hear more about the doxxing. It wouldn’t surprise me, but it’s concerning.
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Isn't competent to be president? Kamala Harris has served as a District Attorney, Attorney General, US Senator, and Vice President.
Trump was born into money, ran multiple businesses into bankruptcy, and then hosted a reality television series. His presidency was a disaster and it baffles me how any physician could say otherwise given the tragedy that was his administration's response to the Covid-19 pandemic.
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Ha. I honestly didn’t know what that was. It’s funny that azz clown emoji is an option. I apologize if you were offended. Feel free to call me an azz clown.
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Name one thing she accomplished as vice president.
She was literally chosen by Biden as VP to garner minority votes
The only reason she ever got a start in politics was because she was having an affair with Willie Brown
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Well dude you created that post. I have no interest in calling anybody anything personally offensive.
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She's an unlikeable political hack.
I'm not the only one who thinks so. So do Bidens handlers. Why do you think she's been essentially doing nothing meaningful these last 4 years.
Her political ascent is related to the following:
Sleeping with Willie Brown
Being a minority woman in California
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This is some weird analysis.
Biden overwhelmingly won the 2020 primary due, in large part, to minority voters. For evidence of this, I'll point to the South Carolina Dem primary which, IMO, clinched the race for him.
"Biden's win was deemed a major victory, as he won all 46 counties in the state. The win was largely attributed to his support from 61% of African-American voters (African-American voters make up approximately 60% of the Democratic electorate in South Carolina). Before the primary on February 26, House Majority Whip and longtime U.S. Representative Jim Clyburn endorsed Biden. Many cited Clyburn's endorsement as a reason for Biden's wide margin of victory, as Clyburn's endorsement was a deciding factor for many African American voters in South Carolina. Thirty-six percent of all primary voters said that they made their decision after Clyburn's endorsement; of that total, 70% voted for Biden. According to FiveThirtyEight, the outcome significantly boosted Biden's chance of winning multiple Super Tuesday states (especially southern states like North Carolina, Texas, and Virginia)."
2020 South Carolina Democratic presidential primary - Wikipedia
In any case, "garnering minority voters" IS political strategy. Another way to phrase it is: encouraging turnout. They are American citizens after all.
Looking at the other side, Trump DOMINATES the white non-college educated male voter base by appealing to white male grievances. He selected JD Vance and Mike Pence to continue appealing to white male grievances. IMO, Mike Pence and JD Vance were chosen for their maleness and whiteness just as much as Kamala was chosen for her being a woman and black.
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This is some weird analysis.
Biden overwhelmingly won the 2020 primary due, in large part, to minority voters. For evidence of this, I'll point to the South Carolina Dem primary which, IMO, clinched the race for him.
"Biden's win was deemed a major victory, as he won all 46 counties in the state. The win was largely attributed to his support from 61% of African-American voters (African-American voters make up approximately 60% of the Democratic electorate in South Carolina). Before the primary on February 26, House Majority Whip and longtime U.S. Representative Jim Clyburn endorsed Biden. Many cited Clyburn's endorsement as a reason for Biden's wide margin of victory, as Clyburn's endorsement was a deciding factor for many African American voters in South Carolina. Thirty-six percent of all primary voters said that they made their decision after Clyburn's endorsement; of that total, 70% voted for Biden. According to FiveThirtyEight, the outcome significantly boosted Biden's chance of winning multiple Super Tuesday states (especially southern states like North Carolina, Texas, and Virginia)."
2020 South Carolina Democratic presidential primary - Wikipedia
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In any case, "garnering minority voters" IS political strategy. Another way to phrase it is: encouraging turnout. They are American citizens after all.
Looking at the other side, Trump DOMINATES the white non-college graduate male voter base by appealing to white male grievances. He selected JD Vance and Mike Pence to continue appealing to white male grievances. IMO, Mike Pence and JD Vance were chosen for their maleness and whiteness just as much as Kamala was chosen for her being a woman and black.
Let’s be honest. Biden won SC primary because other establishment democrats pulled out and endorsed him to squash Bernie. Democrat establishment was in full on panic mode as socialist wing of the Democrat party was taking over, and Bernie looked like the eventual nominee .
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I haven't seen much of the left saying this in the news. I'm a left-leaning moderate and I have never thought Trump has dementia. There are many apt, colorful descriptors that would be appropriate for Trump. Demented is not one of them. Could old age caise less inhibition and poor decision making? Sure.
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He defeated Bernie pretty handily there though. I take it you're saying the moderate wing jumped out prior to SC to rally around Biden, while Buttigieg and Warren stayed in thereby splitting the progressive vote?
Even if you add up Bernie/Warren/Buttigieg they still don't equal Biden's share because Steyer was still in the race then and (from what I recall...) he was just as moderate as Biden (opposing medicare for all for example).
I know there is a conspiracy theory that the Dem establishment "sabotaged" Bernie but I think the evidence for it is pretty weak. I'm saying that as someone who really liked Bernie.
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All the candidates pulled out, including buttigieg and Warren, both of whom endorsed Biden. Only Steyer stayed in and there was no way he was gonna win anything. I’m not sure if it’s just a conspiracy. Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Warren votes all went to Biden from SC on.
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Warren suspended her campaign on March 5, 2020, Klobuchar on March 2, 2020 and Buttigieg on March 1, 2020.
The SC primary was on Feb 29, 2020. Super Tuesday was March 3, 2020. They were all still in for SC and Warren was in for Super Tuesday.
If you want to use the term "squash" to describe what happened I guess that's fair. I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt but I think framing it as "moderate dems coalesced around Biden faster than the progressives coalesced around Bernie" is a reasonable interpretation of events, and that probably harmed the Bernie campaign. I just don't see it as nefarious. I see it as fair politics.
Sen. Amy Klobuchar suspends her presidential bid
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, has announced the end to her campaign Monday.
Edit: I suppose one lesson to draw from this conversation and the angst many progressives still feel after the 2020 Dem primary is -- at this point, an open convention would only damage your most obvious candidate (Kamala Harris) and risk more progressive resentment.
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Warren suspended her campaign on March 5, 2020, Klobuchar on March 2, 2020 and Buttigieg on March 1, 2020.
The SC primary was on Feb 29, 2020. Super Tuesday was March 3, 2020. They were all still in for SC and Warren was in for Super Tuesday.
If you want to use the term "squash" to describe what happened I guess that's fair. I'm prepared to give you the benefit of the doubt but I think framing it as "moderate dems coalesced around Biden faster than the progressives coalesced around Bernie" is a reasonable interpretation of events, and that probably harmed the Bernie campaign. I just don't see it as nefarious. I see it as fair politics.
Sen. Amy Klobuchar suspends her presidential bid
Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minnesota, has announced the end to her campaign Monday.abcnews.go.com
Edit: I suppose one lesson to draw from this conversation and the angst many progressives still feel after the 2020 Dem primary is -- at this point, an open convention would only damage your most obvious candidate (Kamala Harris) and risk more progressive resentment.
My bad, you’re correct, it was the night before super Tuesday. But it was obvious that moderate wing was threatened by eventual progressive takeover and Bernie nomination.
Progressives are just disgruntled by the establishment wing rigging the primary process in favor of establishment candidates. Harris is a terrible candidate IMO and will likely do worse than Biden. There are other candidates that’ll do better IMO.
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The Vice President's role is to be an advisor to the President, to be a representative of the President and the administration, to support the policy goals of the administration, and to be ready to step up for the role of President if needed. The accomplishments of the administration belong to Biden, Harris, and the countless people working behind the scenes to get things done.
Perhaps you should look back to her history as a successful prosecutor (district attorney) - pursuing sex crimes, domestic violence, child abuse, etc. As attorney general she went after financial crime, promoted LGBT rights, pursued criminal justice reform. In the Senate, 25 bills she co-sponsored became law. As VP, she has broken the most ties in the history of the senate and she has represented the United States well around the world and is well received by world leaders.
What did Trump accomplish prior to his presidency? What has JD Vance accomplished? Trump is literally a convicted felon.
You may disagree with her political viewpoints, but she is qualified for the position, and no doubt more qualified than those in the alternative party. Regardless, it is up to voters to decide the candidate they deem best.
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I’m sure Republicans are happy for Harris to share the blame for the utter failure of the Biden presidency.
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Manchin back as a Dem could make things interesting.
I know my history. Unlike the liberal spin back in 1992 and “post data polling” over the years
A 3rd party spoit vote will favor Trump. Just like a split vote favored bill clinton with Ross Perot commanding a 17-18% vote I think.
The dems have to desperately keep RFK jr off the ballots in any swing state.
A 3rd party spoit vote will favor Trump. Just like a split vote favored bill clinton with Ross Perot commanding a 17-18% vote I think.
The dems have to desperately keep RFK jr off the ballots in any swing state.
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Come on. It’s been mentioned like seven times already in this thread. Literally google “Trump dementia” you will find a slew of articles (from left leaning sources), and the traffic has increased exponentially since the debate. The rest of your party has no shame in trying to pick up that ball and run with it, even as you stated, “demented” isn’t an accurate descriptor.
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The primary was not rigged against Bernie any more than it was rigged against the other progressive candidates. Maybe if Warren (the other popular progressive candidate who split thr progressive vote with him) had dropped out sooner and she and her voters endorsed Bernie it would have been a much closer race.
If you believe there is evidence of "rigging" in the 2020 Dem primary please present it. Believing this conspiracy only helps Republicans at this point IMO. I'm largely a progressive.
The problem with saying the Democratic primary is “rigged”
An expert on actual election rigging debunks the conspiracy theory.
www.vox.com
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Gavin Newsom, Pete Buttigieg, Phil Murphy, Josh Shapiro, Gretchen Whitmer, (and I think early reporting is suggesting Joe Manchin as well, although I could be wrong here...) and ALL state democratic party chairs endorse Harris.
The Trump campaign may have peaked too early.
Just a reminder, since the Dobbs decision, abortion access has been and will continue to be a defining issue in American politics. This has been a winning issue for Dems even in conservative bastions like Kansas. Biden was dogsh*t at talking about abortion even before his decline. Kamala will, most likely, be talking about it at every public speaking event between now and the election - and she is good at it.
I doubt Trump will debate Kamala (I will be pleasantly surprised if he does).
Over $50 million in Act Blue fundraising in the 24hrs after the announcement.
The Trump campaign may have peaked too early.
Just a reminder, since the Dobbs decision, abortion access has been and will continue to be a defining issue in American politics. This has been a winning issue for Dems even in conservative bastions like Kansas. Biden was dogsh*t at talking about abortion even before his decline. Kamala will, most likely, be talking about it at every public speaking event between now and the election - and she is good at it.
I doubt Trump will debate Kamala (I will be pleasantly surprised if he does).
Over $50 million in Act Blue fundraising in the 24hrs after the announcement.
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So, who believes that Biden made the choice to drop out of the race and who believes the choice was made for him?
There is so much angst about a supposed coup attempt by Trump three and an half years ago and yet, all is quiet as we actually witness a coup and an attack on democracy unfold right before our eyes. It’s easy enough to see because it is happening in slow motion.
Joe is fine. He’s in perfect health, they told us.
Someone in this thread needs to eat some crow, but they never will.
The democrat party is literally removing delegates from a sitting President by forcing them out of the race. The media and democratic elite have done a complete 180 in the timespan of a few weeks and everyone on the left is completely okay with it.
These are very scary times, especially considering that the option that happened prior to removing a sitting President from the race was an assassination attempt on a former President who happens to be the opposition party’s candidate.
There is so much angst about a supposed coup attempt by Trump three and an half years ago and yet, all is quiet as we actually witness a coup and an attack on democracy unfold right before our eyes. It’s easy enough to see because it is happening in slow motion.
Joe is fine. He’s in perfect health, they told us.
Someone in this thread needs to eat some crow, but they never will.
The democrat party is literally removing delegates from a sitting President by forcing them out of the race. The media and democratic elite have done a complete 180 in the timespan of a few weeks and everyone on the left is completely okay with it.
These are very scary times, especially considering that the option that happened prior to removing a sitting President from the race was an assassination attempt on a former President who happens to be the opposition party’s candidate.
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Funny how that works, isn't it?
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TF are you talking about? This is just pure politics at it’s finest.
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The President of an Empire resigned via social media and hasn’t been seen since. Hiding behind COVID just displays how feeble of a man he presently is. Now he’s out the picture, democracy can continue with the new and improved nominee. If I donated money to the Biden Harris ticket, I’d feel like I was hit with a bait and switch. If someone other than Harris is nominated, do the donors get their money back, or do they have to support who is presented to them by the ruling class?
The political climate is a first rate clown show and people will actually argue for Trump or whoever is on the Democratic ticket. Wasted time imo. What’s been clear to me over the years is that in the shadows, the decision makers decide what direction the federal government will go sans Biden. Seems like voting by us normies really don’t make a difference. Good luck to everyone playing in that pig pen of the Presidential election 🫡
The political climate is a first rate clown show and people will actually argue for Trump or whoever is on the Democratic ticket. Wasted time imo. What’s been clear to me over the years is that in the shadows, the decision makers decide what direction the federal government will go sans Biden. Seems like voting by us normies really don’t make a difference. Good luck to everyone playing in that pig pen of the Presidential election 🫡
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There is some shadow of an argument I agree with here.
Insofar as the Democratic donor class influenced Biden's decision to withdraw by withholding their donations, I think that is wrong. It sets a bad precedent for plutocrats to have that much influence if it actually motivated him. It's dangerous and corrosive to America.
The problem with this analysis is that Biden DID have a bad debate performance that jeopardized his campaign's chances. He saw that. He recognized the implications for his country and party and he did what he thought was best. Accepting that means you can reject a conspiracy that withdrawal was forced upon him.
It will be a Republican talking point that Kamala (or some other D candidate) will be illegitimate going forward. Any comparisons between the intraparty politics involved in Biden's withdrawal to the false electors scheme or the events on January 6th is just downplaying those obviously more egregious events.
What will happen to Biden campaign money. If it’s a 3-3 party line vote with the federal election committee. Who gets the tie breaker? Or will the democrats just ignore election laws and let Harris inherit biden’s money illegally claiming it a grey zone??
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??? Where are you getting this from? It's the "Biden Harris Campaign". Her name is on the campaign's account.
“Specifically, because Biden and Harris share a campaign committee, the Vice President and her running mate can continue using the campaign’s existing funds for the general election if she is on the Democratic ticket as either the presidential or vice-presidential nominee,” Trevor Potter, founder and president of Campaign Legal Center, said in a statement.
What is the "grey zone" you're referring to? What makes you think Harris would fall in it?
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That is really a good description. In order to reconcile this situation, you must accept this version of events. It is easier for some to swallow while a bitter pill for others. From outside the Democratic Party, it seems very contrived and unfathomable, much like a Republican reconciling a vote for Trump, despite his flaws might appear to a Democrat.
The process in the last few weeks appears very sinister to me. Everything is done in the shadows without any transparency. I suspect Biden was not even aware the decision was made when his resignation letter was being written. His party loyalty and his hope for an intact historical legacy for his 50 years of service (and likely a treasure trove of money) will cause him to keep quiet. I suspect he will quietly fade away and not be heard from again until he dies.
Acceptance that this is politics as normal is a slippery slope.
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The “decision makers” as you call it is Corporate America and their army of lobbyists. That’s the “deep state” and rulers of America. Both parties bend the knee and kiss the ring of our corporate overlords despite giving lip service to the opposite. Corporate rule and lobbyist controlled legislation has officially been codified into the law of the land by the unelected body known as the Supreme Court. Meanwhile, they distract us with culture wars, identity politics, and other such nonsense all while the ability of future generations to build wealth and live better than their ancestors is stripped away. It’s all bread and circuses…or to be a bit more modern: cheeseburgers, cable news, and social media. Get fat, play on your phone, and ignore the consolidation of power in the institutions that have more rights than individuals.
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We can only go off public statements at this point.
The goal of the conspiracy you believe in is to delegitamize the candidacy of Harris.
You have no evidence to "suspect Biden was not even aware the decision was made" lol.
It was his party loyalty and patriotism that resulted in him making this choice. He did what he thought was best for party and country and has so far accepted the damage to his legacy.
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And people forget how deeply unpopular Biden was in 2020. He almost didn’t make it through the Democratic primary until South Carolina. When he got the nomination, Biden campaigned from his basement. He still beat Trump. Trump owns the Republican base but he is a liability in the general election. It will be a tight race.
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The Never Trump Republicans who can’t bring themselves to back Biden
Mike Pence, Chris Christie and Paul Ryan refuse to vote for the president despite calling Trump unfit – and their harshest critics are fellow Republicans
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Not everyone is distracted and getting fat
Some of us are well aware of the circus that’s been going on for years and really not surprised. Kinda funny seeing People argue for or against a candidate when the Uniparty always wins. I just hope more people wake up and spend less time in the current political Civil War we are witnessing.
For me I spend more time bouncing ideas off my circle and build towards the abundance that awaits us once we get through this point in history.
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For those who keep offering the argument "name one thing Harris has done as VP."
I can't name a single thing ANY VP has done while VP. Can you? (Without googling it...) This argument to me is only a distraction from things that could/do matter.
I can't name a single thing ANY VP has done while VP. Can you? (Without googling it...) This argument to me is only a distraction from things that could/do matter.
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Sen. Joe Manchin says he won't run for president but calls for Democratic "mini primary" now that Biden's out
Sen. Joe Manchin, a longtime Democrat-turned-independent, told "CBS Mornings" he won't be running for president.
www.cbsnews.com
Manchin is out. Are there any serious contenders left?
He also unpersuasively argues for the democratic party to pursue self-immolation with a "mini primary".
I think it's a good time to point out that Biden could have called for an open primary too if he didn't have confidence in Harris. The rapid coalescing around Harris was not pre-ordained and it wasn't what illustrious people like Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, and the NYT editorial board all said they wanted. Biden chose his successor and we are seeing near unity in the Democratic party for her candidacy now.
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You seem to have a large amount of trust in politicians and media. I tend to be a skeptic. This is a somewhat unprecedented situation and the Democratic Party seems to be in a tight spot. They seem to need certain things to happen and those certain things have not fallen their way in the past few weeks, beginning with the debate, Butler, PA, and, most recently, Biden reaffirming his intent to remain in the race.
Then, he suddenly resigns from the campaign via Twitter (X), a platform denounced by many because of who owns it. He presents a letter not on letterhead from the White House. His signature has been questioned. He never makes a single public appearance and the White House calls a lid on Biden at something ridiculous like 11AM. In addition, none of his close advisors or White House staff had any advance warning and found out the same way we all did.
That doesn’t seem like “no evidence.” It also doesn’t seem like the way that something so important would be managed. If it was completely his decision and that is how he and his team chose to manage the situation, I guess it shouldn’t surprise anyone. But it certainly lacks professionalism, if that was actually the way they planned things to occur.
I remain skeptical of the entire operation. I just hope they at least had the decency to let Joe know of his decision before putting it on Twitter.
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You’re asking sensical questions as a well thought out tax paying citizen. What’s wrong with you?
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Well there was the time that VP Mike Pence rejected Trumps fake electors scheme after a democratically held election. Trump then bullied and disparaged Pence on Twitter, for which a bunch of MAGA idiots (wait, I mean I think ‘political prisoners’ is now the correct term?) chanted ‘hang Mike Pence’ on Jan 6. Beyond that, you’re right, I don’t recall too many things VPs have done.
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Don’t forget, several have also served faithfully during Presidential colonoscopies.
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Indeed it would seem accomplishing something noteworthy as a VP is actually a disqualifying criteria for having a political future according to the Republican party.
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Pence, Romney, Cheney, Kinzinger - what a bunch of RINOs for not supporting our great dictator! RINOs! Hang them! Get out of the party! There’s no room for such dissent in this country!
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Cheney was a great 43rd president
